comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Ignacio Varga (U11781)
posted 3 minutes ago
BRAVERMAN IN THE BIN
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Just as well. She is dangerously right-wing
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And deluded

comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by TBABlue and Yellow. (U9292)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 28 minutes ago
The issue is off course we are in an Economic crisis at home and globally. The time is for very serious candidates and not eye candy.
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Rishi ticks the serious box, but was surely part of the partygate Boris govt, and a very rich bloke out of touch with plebs, wife non Dom status, his green card balancing act etc turned folk off him.

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Guess it depends whether you want the person who will do the least damage, or the person who is most likely to perform the best in an election.

For me it's the former. The Tories are known for putting the party before the country though, so I imagine they will be more concerned with the latter. Hence why we are likely to get someone who gives the least amount of detail but provides the best soundbites.
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I don't see how Mordaunt or Truss survive for a second against Starmer if the economy is in the toilet.
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Mid-2023 to mid-2024 I think we’re gonna start seeing some of the really horrible economic and bureaucratic fallout from Brexit becoming more apparent (in exports, for consumers and the UK economy lagging behind), so the last thing the Tories will need electorally is an ardent Brexiteer in charge.

Labour would wipe the floor with Truss I expect.
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Are you serious?

Do you know that Germany is in deep trouble at the moment with Russia threatening to turn off the gas?

Why do you think the Euro is on parity with the dollar?
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Very much not.

Euro is at parity with the Dollar for the same reason that you could buy $1.40 with a pound last year, and now that same pound will get you $1.18. We’ve discussed that above.

UK exports are in trouble; and whereas the cheap Euro is going to help the Eurozone’s trade with the US (in particular) no end (with exports soaring already), a cheaper pound vs the Dollar isn’t going to help the UK in the same way.

Importing from the UK is already unaffordable for many continental businesses previously relying on UK SMEs (like ours, which has dumped its last UK supplier now), and imports for businesses and consumers alike are going to get more expensive again when the UK is finally forced to run the import checks it’s obliged to under the TCA (which is why UK govt is doing its very best to delay, delay, delay the full implementation of the self-harming agreement they engineered).

Ukraine and Russia is obviously a big question mark, that’s true. As is the German economy, in no small part due to related reasons, as you’ve pointed out. I don’t think anyone can predict very accurately how the EU or UK is going to be impacted there.

^ Very much so

comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Who do you think you are kidding Mr.... (U3126)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
The policy of leaving the CU/SM was economically illiterate, whether folk agreed with it or not. As is refusing regulatory harmonisation with Europe (i.e. creating non-tariff barriers).

It’s therefore only a matter of time, (probably when things get really desperate) before the government of the day are forced to change tack.
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Yep, this.

I don’t see how they can possibly change tack though; they’ve backed themselves into a corner with a persistently hostile rhetoric on the matter, as has the section of the press which has helped carry them through to where we are.

None of the Telegraph, Sun, Express or Mail could possibly now suggest regulatory alignment even if they were desperate to; let alone rejoining the SM or CU.

The Tory membership won’t consider voting for a more Europhile party leader, nor would their MPs stomach the same, until after they’ve already lost their voters once the economy has tanked.

...... and Graham Hancock ?

The eurozone is always in trouble, and it never happens, a few years back they were talking about debt to GDP of the eurozone like a crisis was looming, as a good reason for brexit and ours was worse.

It still is, increasingly so, it's like worrying the car ahead of you might run out of fuel when your warning light is on...

And we are seeing our largest sector dropping away, we saw the pharmaceuticals industry leave, we are seeing a drop in funding for the sciences that mean many projects now need to leave these shores.

Our present is worse, and we've binned off our future, and yet still we point at the eurozone and say "Danger"

December 2021

Eurozone debt to GDP: 88.1%
UK debt to GDP: 102.8%

If the Russians turn the gas off then of course there's going to be major issues, and I imagine that at the point where it looks like millions of Europeans will die in the winter we will probably see greater involvement with the removal of Putin/it will mark the start of WW3 as well as increased extraction elsewhere and rollout of alternative fuel sources.

The fact is that Russian fuel sales are all that's propping up their economy too.

"The eurozone is always in trouble, and it never happens..."

Another albeit more recent favourite of mine was the related (and probably more localised - I don't know if you guys will have seen as much of this), "the socialists will plunge Portugal and Spain back into debt".

Costa's positive, progressive governments here, like Sanchez's ambitious programme in Spain, have defied expectations; and the pair have made their respective nations look like the two of the healthiest, most investor-attractive, most forward-thinking in the developed world.

comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 6 minutes ago
"The eurozone is always in trouble, and it never happens..."

Another albeit more recent favourite of mine was the related (and probably more localised - I don't know if you guys will have seen as much of this), "the socialists will plunge Portugal and Spain back into debt".

Costa's positive, progressive governments here, like Sanchez's ambitious programme in Spain, have defied expectations; and the pair have made their respective nations look like the two of the healthiest, most investor-attractive, most forward-thinking in the developed world.
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The reality is that moving back leftwards would be good for society and the economy, capitalism has gone too far, it's driving this cost of living crisis.. when the lower and middle classes wealth fails you can't prop up capitalism anymore.

Most "socialist" parties are capitalist these days anyway, which is fine, scandi socialism works, it strikes a balance.

comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 6 minutes ago
"The eurozone is always in trouble, and it never happens..."

Another albeit more recent favourite of mine was the related (and probably more localised - I don't know if you guys will have seen as much of this), "the socialists will plunge Portugal and Spain back into debt".

Costa's positive, progressive governments here, like Sanchez's ambitious programme in Spain, have defied expectations; and the pair have made their respective nations look like the two of the healthiest, most investor-attractive, most forward-thinking in the developed world.
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The reality is that moving back leftwards would be good for society and the economy, capitalism has gone too far, it's driving this cost of living crisis.. when the lower and middle classes wealth fails you can't prop up capitalism anymore.

Most "socialist" parties are capitalist these days anyway, which is fine, scandi socialism works, it strikes a balance.


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Yep. But as you've pointed out on here ad nauseam, some industries and services should always be nationalised. Read what happened in Ontario after privatising electricity supply. Exactly what's happening now price-wise in U.K.

Suella Braverman's fury with Mordaunt over the maternity leave legislation - she was visibly angry about it in her interview with @SophyRidgeSky just now - suggests she won't back Mordaunt

As @katyballs says could she now endorse Kemi Badenoch or will she go for Truss?

comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 6 minutes ago
"The eurozone is always in trouble, and it never happens..."

Another albeit more recent favourite of mine was the related (and probably more localised - I don't know if you guys will have seen as much of this), "the socialists will plunge Portugal and Spain back into debt".

Costa's positive, progressive governments here, like Sanchez's ambitious programme in Spain, have defied expectations; and the pair have made their respective nations look like the two of the healthiest, most investor-attractive, most forward-thinking in the developed world.
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The reality is that moving back leftwards would be good for society and the economy, capitalism has gone too far, it's driving this cost of living crisis.. when the lower and middle classes wealth fails you can't prop up capitalism anymore.

Most "socialist" parties are capitalist these days anyway, which is fine, scandi socialism works, it strikes a balance.


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Yep. But as you've pointed out on here ad nauseam, some industries and services should always be nationalised. Read what happened in Ontario after privatising electricity supply. Exactly what's happening now price-wise in U.K.
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I see there as only two sustainable options:

1. Essential services have to be run as NPE's (Non - profit entities)

2. You link a liveable minimum wage to the cost of living, which stops companies from driving inflation up with price rises to increase their profits unsustainably

comment by Taki Minamino (U20650)
posted 2 hours, 28 minutes ago
we cant have a pm with a made up name
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Vote Lewis🤓

comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 26 minutes ago
Suella Braverman's fury with Mordaunt over the maternity leave legislation - she was visibly angry about it in her interview with @SophyRidgeSky just now - suggests she won't back Mordaunt

As @katyballs says could she now endorse Kemi Badenoch or will she go for Truss?
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All candidates go head to head in TV debates next, Ch4 tomorrow when all will be revealed and we see what Kemi backers are talking about, regarding her debating skills etc

Continues over weekend to replace Motd and no fitba on TV.

comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 1 hour, 42 minutes ago
...... and Graham Hancock ?
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I loved his half hour.

comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 32 minutes ago
Suella Braverman's fury with Mordaunt over the maternity leave legislation - she was visibly angry about it in her interview with @SophyRidgeSky just now - suggests she won't back Mordaunt

As @katyballs says could she now endorse Kemi Badenoch or will she go for Truss?
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Guessing Braverman backers would go to Kemi, then Truss, DGL...ERG group and Steve Baker operating there and they as a group have about one third of MPs.

When it gets down to it, and Kemi drops out, who will they opt for between Truss and Penny ...is the big question...

It is weirdly intriguing, but I don't drink or get out as much as I used to.😂

I know it is shallow and naff, but the public do take on board how MPs look and come across, and so Foot got pelters way back, as did May and scruffy bojo, so Penny ❤️ has that in the bag imo as she looks and sounds the part.....And remember, we are political animals and a tiny fraction here, while tens of millions give a passing glance at the Tory race, Labour manifesto or lib Dems surges.

Dear god. Are you lot still having the brexit debate!

Simple put. Both the major parties in this country have committed UK to staying out. There is a reason for that which goes beyond polling. Talk to anyone in the City and they will tell you the same thing I have written recently on this thread. There are severe headwinds in the EU. That doesn't mean that the EU will break up or Euro will collapse. Countries have invested too much for that....I hope. However those who think that the Euro crisis went away forgot about QE and artificial interest rates held at 0%. Getting a generation used to living on debt. That has come to an end because of covid. All countries have had large periods of no economic activity while spending has gone up to protect against unemployment and on healthcare. Its bankrupted countries around the world. All countries have got poorer incl rich ones.

UK is not some paradise and will have recession soon. That is a price to pay to get inflation down. So will the EU.

We are all too integrated now and its not a zero sum game. Hopefully both EU and UK recover quickly.

comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 minute ago
Dear god. Are you lot still having the brexit debate!

Simple put. Both the major parties in this country have committed UK to staying out. There is a reason for that which goes beyond polling. Talk to anyone in the City and they will tell you the same thing I have written recently on this thread. There are severe headwinds in the EU. That doesn't mean that the EU will break up or Euro will collapse. Countries have invested too much for that....I hope. However those who think that the Euro crisis went away forgot about QE and artificial interest rates held at 0%. Getting a generation used to living on debt. That has come to an end because of covid. All countries have had large periods of no economic activity while spending has gone up to protect against unemployment and on healthcare. Its bankrupted countries around the world. All countries have got poorer incl rich ones.

UK is not some paradise and will have recession soon. That is a price to pay to get inflation down. So will the EU.

We are all too integrated now and its not a zero sum game. Hopefully both EU and UK recover quickly.
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Have we left yet?

Kid in back of car, " are we there yet" style🤣

EXCLUSIVE:

Suella Braverman will back Liz Truss for the Tory leadership, The Times has been told

Around half of her 27 backers are expected to follow her

Steve Baker is also expected to back Truss


Ffssss

comment by Ignacio Varga (U11781)
posted 17 minutes ago
EXCLUSIVE:

Suella Braverman will back Liz Truss for the Tory leadership, The Times has been told

Around half of her 27 backers are expected to follow her

Steve Baker is also expected to back Truss


Ffssss
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Prob now means she backs leaving ECHR

Also means she's gonna pip Penny

Facking Liz Truss..

Embarrassing

Trump’s first wife just keeled over.

🚨|BREAKING: The Labour council in Oldham has voted down an emergency motion for a Government Inquiry into child sexual exploitation. https://t.co/6GZ4il20d7

Nonce protectors.