comment by Jonathan Moore (U11781)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 7 minutes ago
It was a pogrom, it was evil and the politician saying it was due to legitimate concerns or whatever belongs in jail
My issue isn't that we can't call out the current Israeli govt for what it is, it's that a Labour opposition, that is the current govt in waiting, would be insane to do so.
It's not just the spectre of antisemitism, it does nothing for the type people who are turning to labour currently
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So wait until its convenient to speak against this filthy religious nationalism?
Its a shame that Jews who are against this will as usual be branded as "self-hating".
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If you have to wait till you get in power to speak about something as disgusting as this what does it say about the state of this country eh?
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How does it help them win votes or help the people in this country who's lives are being ruined by this govt?
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
comment by Ten Hag Bald is Best Ball at its Facking Finest (U17054)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Jalisco Red - Total Hagball (U4195)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Ten Hag Bald is Best Ball at its Facking Fines... (U17054)
posted 5 minutes ago
Don't know if anyone else has noticed or if it has been widely reported and I've missed it, but...
When you report a tweet on Twitter, the process asks you for a reason why the content you're referring should be reviewed. There are various different categories: hate speech, defamation, gore/violence, etc.
I just tried to report a tweet including a demonstrably false and dangerous statement (about miscarriage rates for pregnant women who have been vaccinated against COVID-19), and the previously existing option to report such (I can't remember exactly how it was entitled or described, but it was basically a 'dangerous misinformation' catch-all) has been removed.
This means there is no longer any way to report tweets containing harmful misinformation on Twitter.
Completely unsurprising, and further evidence of what Musk is up to.
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Musk and many others love misinformation, disinformation and outright lies. They see it as freedom of speech. Fact checkers are the enemy. People who actually know what they're talking about are the enemy. It's frightening.
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It isn't about protecting or championing freedom of speech for them though.
It's about normalising the concept of alternative facts, purposefully muddying all waters with a soup of conflicting reports to the extent (in their aims, at least) that the general public is no longer able to discern fact from fiction.
What's left is a populous that struggles more and more to get a grip on what's really happening in the world around them and why, and becomes more and more susceptible to even the most casually-constructed propaganda, leaving those who have the strongest ability to reach, capture and monopolise their attention free to push the narratives serving their own ends.
It's straight out of the fascist playbook, and frighteningly effective, as we've seen with Trump, Bolsonaro, the Brexit campaigns and Johnson's govt, and the media successes of the likes of Fox News.
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Complete one-sided brainwashed nonsense, as per usual.
No mention of SAGE and the ton of crap they came out with which was entirely misleading on many occasions, no mention of CNN doing the exact same crap that FOX does, no mention of Clinton/Democrats with the fake Russian links, no mention of the 2016 election being 'stolen', no mention of Twitter blocking the Hunter Biden story and banning the New York Post.
It's only Elon Musk, Trump, Jonhson, Bolsonaro and the Brexit campaigns and Fox that carry out this deliberate misinformation.
Truly, truly sad. #echochamber
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Who is being sued by Dominion for their misinfir... Oh fek call it what it is... Lies.
Defend your heroes to the end SatNav. Oh and your post is the definition of whataboutery.
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Steve Bannon, the man who has spent a career publicly developing a “platform for the alt-right” (his words) and also happens to have written the modern playbook, again publicly, on how to leverage the alternative facts paradigm was Trump’s Chief of Staff, advised Bolsonaro and his family, and worked for CA during Brexit campaigning.
He’s was also the creator of Breitbart media, platforming other alt-right misinformation junkies like Milo Yiannopoulos, and tried to develop a pan-European far right movement, including the likes of Le Pen, Wilders and Farage.
It’s as clear which section of the political spectrum developed and has adopted the contemporary incarnation of the alternative facts paradigm as are the roots of the concept. (For anyone still unsure, Umberto Eco’s work on ur-fascism, and commentaries on Hitler, Mussolini and Berlusconi are all informative.)
comment by Jalisco Red - Total Hagball (U4195)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
comment by Ten Hag Bald is Best Ball at its Facking Finest (U17054)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Jalisco Red - Total Hagball (U4195)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Ten Hag Bald is Best Ball at its Facking Fines... (U17054)
posted 5 minutes ago
Don't know if anyone else has noticed or if it has been widely reported and I've missed it, but...
When you report a tweet on Twitter, the process asks you for a reason why the content you're referring should be reviewed. There are various different categories: hate speech, defamation, gore/violence, etc.
I just tried to report a tweet including a demonstrably false and dangerous statement (about miscarriage rates for pregnant women who have been vaccinated against COVID-19), and the previously existing option to report such (I can't remember exactly how it was entitled or described, but it was basically a 'dangerous misinformation' catch-all) has been removed.
This means there is no longer any way to report tweets containing harmful misinformation on Twitter.
Completely unsurprising, and further evidence of what Musk is up to.
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Musk and many others love misinformation, disinformation and outright lies. They see it as freedom of speech. Fact checkers are the enemy. People who actually know what they're talking about are the enemy. It's frightening.
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It isn't about protecting or championing freedom of speech for them though.
It's about normalising the concept of alternative facts, purposefully muddying all waters with a soup of conflicting reports to the extent (in their aims, at least) that the general public is no longer able to discern fact from fiction.
What's left is a populous that struggles more and more to get a grip on what's really happening in the world around them and why, and becomes more and more susceptible to even the most casually-constructed propaganda, leaving those who have the strongest ability to reach, capture and monopolise their attention free to push the narratives serving their own ends.
It's straight out of the fascist playbook, and frighteningly effective, as we've seen with Trump, Bolsonaro, the Brexit campaigns and Johnson's govt, and the media successes of the likes of Fox News.
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Complete one-sided brainwashed nonsense, as per usual.
No mention of SAGE and the ton of crap they came out with which was entirely misleading on many occasions, no mention of CNN doing the exact same crap that FOX does, no mention of Clinton/Democrats with the fake Russian links, no mention of the 2016 election being 'stolen', no mention of Twitter blocking the Hunter Biden story and banning the New York Post.
It's only Elon Musk, Trump, Jonhson, Bolsonaro and the Brexit campaigns and Fox that carry out this deliberate misinformation.
Truly, truly sad. #echochamber
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Who is being sued by Dominion for their misinfir... Oh fek call it what it is... Lies.
Defend your heroes to the end SatNav. Oh and your post is the definition of whataboutery.
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Haven't Fox News/Tucker Carlson/Sidney Powell all tried the amazing 'the things we say are so ridiculous that no sensible person would believe them' legal defence?
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The text messages and emails sent by Carlson, Hannity, Ingraham and senior producers at Fox News disclosed under subpoena speak everything about how Fox News operates, what their agenda is, how much interest they have in the truth of what they broadcast, and how they respect their viewership.
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 7 minutes ago
It was a pogrom, it was evil and the politician saying it was due to legitimate concerns or whatever belongs in jail
My issue isn't that we can't call out the current Israeli govt for what it is, it's that a Labour opposition, that is the current govt in waiting, would be insane to do so.
It's not just the spectre of antisemitism, it does nothing for the type people who are turning to labour currently
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So wait until its convenient to speak against this filthy religious nationalism?
Its a shame that Jews who are against this will as usual be branded as "self-hating".
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This is what labour have become.
Power at all costs, Party before principles.
Thats how the Tories operate, at some point Labour are going to wake up realising we are so fecking close to the Tories its pointless evicting them.
Look at them courting big business, listen to the radio 4 interview the other day with an investment banker talking about how he's left the Tories after 20 years to join labour because they represent better investment opportunities.
These new labour lovers (not us long term members) will get the labour administration they crave at all costs and ONLY then, will they realise it doesn't stand for the man on the street at all, starmer moves further and further right every few months to win even more Tory voters, and they will soon be indistinguishable
Times change, Old Labour were/are unelectable
Sue Gray has actually been appointed as Starmer’s head of staff now after all. Tories gonna Tory
Sue Gray was a civil servant you pleb
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 2 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
comment by Ten Hag Bald is Best Ball at its Facking Finest (U17054)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Jalisco Red - Total Hagball (U4195)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Ten Hag Bald is Best Ball at its Facking Fines... (U17054)
posted 5 minutes ago
Don't know if anyone else has noticed or if it has been widely reported and I've missed it, but...
When you report a tweet on Twitter, the process asks you for a reason why the content you're referring should be reviewed. There are various different categories: hate speech, defamation, gore/violence, etc.
I just tried to report a tweet including a demonstrably false and dangerous statement (about miscarriage rates for pregnant women who have been vaccinated against COVID-19), and the previously existing option to report such (I can't remember exactly how it was entitled or described, but it was basically a 'dangerous misinformation' catch-all) has been removed.
This means there is no longer any way to report tweets containing harmful misinformation on Twitter.
Completely unsurprising, and further evidence of what Musk is up to.
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Musk and many others love misinformation, disinformation and outright lies. They see it as freedom of speech. Fact checkers are the enemy. People who actually know what they're talking about are the enemy. It's frightening.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It isn't about protecting or championing freedom of speech for them though.
It's about normalising the concept of alternative facts, purposefully muddying all waters with a soup of conflicting reports to the extent (in their aims, at least) that the general public is no longer able to discern fact from fiction.
What's left is a populous that struggles more and more to get a grip on what's really happening in the world around them and why, and becomes more and more susceptible to even the most casually-constructed propaganda, leaving those who have the strongest ability to reach, capture and monopolise their attention free to push the narratives serving their own ends.
It's straight out of the fascist playbook, and frighteningly effective, as we've seen with Trump, Bolsonaro, the Brexit campaigns and Johnson's govt, and the media successes of the likes of Fox News.
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Complete one-sided brainwashed nonsense, as per usual.
No mention of SAGE and the ton of crap they came out with which was entirely misleading on many occasions, no mention of CNN doing the exact same crap that FOX does, no mention of Clinton/Democrats with the fake Russian links, no mention of the 2016 election being 'stolen', no mention of Twitter blocking the Hunter Biden story and banning the New York Post.
It's only Elon Musk, Trump, Jonhson, Bolsonaro and the Brexit campaigns and Fox that carry out this deliberate misinformation.
Truly, truly sad. #echochamber
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Who is being sued by Dominion for their misinfir... Oh fek call it what it is... Lies.
Defend your heroes to the end SatNav. Oh and your post is the definition of whataboutery.
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No it isn’t, it’s pointing out the blatant bias of the previous post. It’s of no surprise to me that Fox is in trouble but they’re not the only guilty party, despite what that previous post would have you believe.
None of them are my heroes SoQ, no need to be childish.
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 41 minutes ago
Sue Gray was a civil servant you pleb
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And her son is a labour staffer.
It's not a measure of being a Tory in my opinion.
It does somewhat indicate their preference for the status quo though, she's been hired because she knows how the government currently works, and it's very reminiscent of Blair.
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
Times change, Old Labour were/are unelectable
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I agree but I appreciate that Insert and others refuse to compromise / sellout their principles.
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted about an hour ago
Times change, Old Labour were/are unelectable
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Completely disagree.
The new labour Blairites did however get the cycle right, and have tricked their way in to the leadership at the right moment
Starmers entire leadership campaign was based on continuing the Corbyn/McDonell policies/legacy, Annaliese Dodds was recommended as shadow chancellor by McDonnell in fact for that reason.
Even unlikeable Corbyn would have walked this election, but I think a more likeable candidate with his policies (i.e. Burnham) would be even further ahead than starmer is.
Corbyn stood for something, he wanted to fix a broken system and he had an aspirational view for the future of the country that's unmatched by other politicians.
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
Times change, Old Labour were/are unelectable
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I agree but I appreciate that Insert and others refuse to compromise / sellout their principles.
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It's not just about selling out their principles. They are paralysed by fear of committing to anything, to the point he's rolling back on the few policies he did have 🤷🏼♂️
If you can't speak out against a pogrom in Palestine for fear of being called anti Semitic then the whole situation is broken beyond repair.
We rightfully spend billions protecting Ukraine from Russia, we went to war in the middle east multiple times to stop atrocities against civilians, but we are going to turn a completely blind eye to situations like in Yemen or Palestine
It's not about not compromising your beliefs, anyone with a shred of decency/humanity should be condemning the Israeli assault on Huwara
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 2 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
comment by Ten Hag Bald is Best Ball at its Facking Finest (U17054)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Jalisco Red - Total Hagball (U4195)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Ten Hag Bald is Best Ball at its Facking Fines... (U17054)
posted 5 minutes ago
Don't know if anyone else has noticed or if it has been widely reported and I've missed it, but...
When you report a tweet on Twitter, the process asks you for a reason why the content you're referring should be reviewed. There are various different categories: hate speech, defamation, gore/violence, etc.
I just tried to report a tweet including a demonstrably false and dangerous statement (about miscarriage rates for pregnant women who have been vaccinated against COVID-19), and the previously existing option to report such (I can't remember exactly how it was entitled or described, but it was basically a 'dangerous misinformation' catch-all) has been removed.
This means there is no longer any way to report tweets containing harmful misinformation on Twitter.
Completely unsurprising, and further evidence of what Musk is up to.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Musk and many others love misinformation, disinformation and outright lies. They see it as freedom of speech. Fact checkers are the enemy. People who actually know what they're talking about are the enemy. It's frightening.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It isn't about protecting or championing freedom of speech for them though.
It's about normalising the concept of alternative facts, purposefully muddying all waters with a soup of conflicting reports to the extent (in their aims, at least) that the general public is no longer able to discern fact from fiction.
What's left is a populous that struggles more and more to get a grip on what's really happening in the world around them and why, and becomes more and more susceptible to even the most casually-constructed propaganda, leaving those who have the strongest ability to reach, capture and monopolise their attention free to push the narratives serving their own ends.
It's straight out of the fascist playbook, and frighteningly effective, as we've seen with Trump, Bolsonaro, the Brexit campaigns and Johnson's govt, and the media successes of the likes of Fox News.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Complete one-sided brainwashed nonsense, as per usual.
No mention of SAGE and the ton of crap they came out with which was entirely misleading on many occasions, no mention of CNN doing the exact same crap that FOX does, no mention of Clinton/Democrats with the fake Russian links, no mention of the 2016 election being 'stolen', no mention of Twitter blocking the Hunter Biden story and banning the New York Post.
It's only Elon Musk, Trump, Jonhson, Bolsonaro and the Brexit campaigns and Fox that carry out this deliberate misinformation.
Truly, truly sad. #echochamber
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Who is being sued by Dominion for their misinfir... Oh fek call it what it is... Lies.
Defend your heroes to the end SatNav. Oh and your post is the definition of whataboutery.
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No it isn’t, it’s pointing out the blatant bias of the previous post. It’s of no surprise to me that Fox is in trouble but they’re not the only guilty party, despite what that previous post would have you believe.
None of them are my heroes SoQ, no need to be childish.
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The challenge you’ve got though Satters is that what you’re equating (Fox v CNN for example) aren’t equivalent. CNN you can argue at times has been one-sided, and much like the bbc it’s foreign coverage is much better than national coverage. However, this is evidently different from the active, deliberate, and potentially criminal disinformation campaign that Fox News engaged in.
Similarly on SAGE, and it’s amusing to me the false narratives being constructed by the likes of Nelson and his anti-lockdown comrades, I’m not quite sure what you’re equating them to? Vaccine disinformation? “Lockdown sceptics” ?
Johnson criticised Rishi Sunak’s Northern Ireland deal, saying that it was “not about the UK taking back control” and that it would act as a “drag anchor on divergence”
Ah well, little Rishi's honeymoon period after his NI deal didn't last long. His fanboys within the conservative party are gonna test the wee fellas political skills.
Johnson also stirred the culture war pot and said we shouldn't give the Parthenon marbles back to Greece. Cue *patriotic outrage.
Satty, that online university I mentioned the other day sounds pretty cool. The best lecturers in the world, no ideology, and run by the most unideological Canadian psychologist anyone could think of. Cheap at $60,000 USD a pop. And all exams will be multiple choice.
Now tell me old JP aint a flim-flam man.
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 2 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
comment by Ten Hag Bald is Best Ball at its Facking Finest (U17054)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Jalisco Red - Total Hagball (U4195)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Ten Hag Bald is Best Ball at its Facking Fines... (U17054)
posted 5 minutes ago
Don't know if anyone else has noticed or if it has been widely reported and I've missed it, but...
When you report a tweet on Twitter, the process asks you for a reason why the content you're referring should be reviewed. There are various different categories: hate speech, defamation, gore/violence, etc.
I just tried to report a tweet including a demonstrably false and dangerous statement (about miscarriage rates for pregnant women who have been vaccinated against COVID-19), and the previously existing option to report such (I can't remember exactly how it was entitled or described, but it was basically a 'dangerous misinformation' catch-all) has been removed.
This means there is no longer any way to report tweets containing harmful misinformation on Twitter.
Completely unsurprising, and further evidence of what Musk is up to.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Musk and many others love misinformation, disinformation and outright lies. They see it as freedom of speech. Fact checkers are the enemy. People who actually know what they're talking about are the enemy. It's frightening.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It isn't about protecting or championing freedom of speech for them though.
It's about normalising the concept of alternative facts, purposefully muddying all waters with a soup of conflicting reports to the extent (in their aims, at least) that the general public is no longer able to discern fact from fiction.
What's left is a populous that struggles more and more to get a grip on what's really happening in the world around them and why, and becomes more and more susceptible to even the most casually-constructed propaganda, leaving those who have the strongest ability to reach, capture and monopolise their attention free to push the narratives serving their own ends.
It's straight out of the fascist playbook, and frighteningly effective, as we've seen with Trump, Bolsonaro, the Brexit campaigns and Johnson's govt, and the media successes of the likes of Fox News.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Complete one-sided brainwashed nonsense, as per usual.
No mention of SAGE and the ton of crap they came out with which was entirely misleading on many occasions, no mention of CNN doing the exact same crap that FOX does, no mention of Clinton/Democrats with the fake Russian links, no mention of the 2016 election being 'stolen', no mention of Twitter blocking the Hunter Biden story and banning the New York Post.
It's only Elon Musk, Trump, Jonhson, Bolsonaro and the Brexit campaigns and Fox that carry out this deliberate misinformation.
Truly, truly sad. #echochamber
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Who is being sued by Dominion for their misinfir... Oh fek call it what it is... Lies.
Defend your heroes to the end SatNav. Oh and your post is the definition of whataboutery.
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No it isn’t, it’s pointing out the blatant bias of the previous post. It’s of no surprise to me that Fox is in trouble but they’re not the only guilty party, despite what that previous post would have you believe.
None of them are my heroes SoQ, no need to be childish.
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The challenge you’ve got though Satters is that what you’re equating (Fox v CNN for example) aren’t equivalent. CNN you can argue at times has been one-sided, and much like the bbc it’s foreign coverage is much better than national coverage. However, this is evidently different from the active, deliberate, and potentially criminal disinformation campaign that Fox News engaged in.
Similarly on SAGE, and it’s amusing to me the false narratives being constructed by the likes of Nelson and his anti-lockdown comrades, I’m not quite sure what you’re equating them to? Vaccine disinformation? “Lockdown sceptics” ?
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Why aren’t they equivalent? Because you say so? Did CNN not make up stories deliberately to get Trump out of office? Did they not practice propaganda? Did CNN not wax lyrical endlessly about Russia hacking the 2016 elections?
Sorry but they are definitely equivalent, I’m surprised you even tried to say otherwise….
On SAGE, I’m not talking about anti-vax lunatics, I went through the figures (you and I did several times) once we both got the timescales wrong which put things into context but several others they were plastering the absolute worst, worst case scenarios and even then the numbers were way out of whack with reality, time & time again. ‘These aren’t projections’ remember that nonsense?
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 14 minutes ago
Satty, that online university I mentioned the other day sounds pretty cool. The best lecturers in the world, no ideology, and run by the most unideological Canadian psychologist anyone could think of. Cheap at $60,000 USD a pop. And all exams will be multiple choice.
Now tell me old JP aint a flim-flam man.
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Can’t say I looked into it mate, just thought that 60k is a lot for uni
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 14 minutes ago
Satty, that online university I mentioned the other day sounds pretty cool. The best lecturers in the world, no ideology, and run by the most unideological Canadian psychologist anyone could think of. Cheap at $60,000 USD a pop. And all exams will be multiple choice.
Now tell me old JP aint a flim-flam man.
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Can’t say I looked into it mate, just thought that 60k is a lot for uni
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Well speaking as a semiliterate under educated guy. I see through his BS. He's nothing but a con man and as far as I have seen he should actually visit one of his colleagues to learn coping methods and get an opinion on his phobias and manic mood swings. Not because I give a schit about him, but I do worry about the poor weaklings he sucks in.
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 2 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
comment by Ten Hag Bald is Best Ball at its Facking Finest (U17054)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Jalisco Red - Total Hagball (U4195)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Ten Hag Bald is Best Ball at its Facking Fines... (U17054)
posted 5 minutes ago
Don't know if anyone else has noticed or if it has been widely reported and I've missed it, but...
When you report a tweet on Twitter, the process asks you for a reason why the content you're referring should be reviewed. There are various different categories: hate speech, defamation, gore/violence, etc.
I just tried to report a tweet including a demonstrably false and dangerous statement (about miscarriage rates for pregnant women who have been vaccinated against COVID-19), and the previously existing option to report such (I can't remember exactly how it was entitled or described, but it was basically a 'dangerous misinformation' catch-all) has been removed.
This means there is no longer any way to report tweets containing harmful misinformation on Twitter.
Completely unsurprising, and further evidence of what Musk is up to.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Musk and many others love misinformation, disinformation and outright lies. They see it as freedom of speech. Fact checkers are the enemy. People who actually know what they're talking about are the enemy. It's frightening.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It isn't about protecting or championing freedom of speech for them though.
It's about normalising the concept of alternative facts, purposefully muddying all waters with a soup of conflicting reports to the extent (in their aims, at least) that the general public is no longer able to discern fact from fiction.
What's left is a populous that struggles more and more to get a grip on what's really happening in the world around them and why, and becomes more and more susceptible to even the most casually-constructed propaganda, leaving those who have the strongest ability to reach, capture and monopolise their attention free to push the narratives serving their own ends.
It's straight out of the fascist playbook, and frighteningly effective, as we've seen with Trump, Bolsonaro, the Brexit campaigns and Johnson's govt, and the media successes of the likes of Fox News.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Complete one-sided brainwashed nonsense, as per usual.
No mention of SAGE and the ton of crap they came out with which was entirely misleading on many occasions, no mention of CNN doing the exact same crap that FOX does, no mention of Clinton/Democrats with the fake Russian links, no mention of the 2016 election being 'stolen', no mention of Twitter blocking the Hunter Biden story and banning the New York Post.
It's only Elon Musk, Trump, Jonhson, Bolsonaro and the Brexit campaigns and Fox that carry out this deliberate misinformation.
Truly, truly sad. #echochamber
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Who is being sued by Dominion for their misinfir... Oh fek call it what it is... Lies.
Defend your heroes to the end SatNav. Oh and your post is the definition of whataboutery.
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No it isn’t, it’s pointing out the blatant bias of the previous post. It’s of no surprise to me that Fox is in trouble but they’re not the only guilty party, despite what that previous post would have you believe.
None of them are my heroes SoQ, no need to be childish.
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The challenge you’ve got though Satters is that what you’re equating (Fox v CNN for example) aren’t equivalent. CNN you can argue at times has been one-sided, and much like the bbc it’s foreign coverage is much better than national coverage. However, this is evidently different from the active, deliberate, and potentially criminal disinformation campaign that Fox News engaged in.
Similarly on SAGE, and it’s amusing to me the false narratives being constructed by the likes of Nelson and his anti-lockdown comrades, I’m not quite sure what you’re equating them to? Vaccine disinformation? “Lockdown sceptics” ?
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Why aren’t they equivalent? Because you say so? Did CNN not make up stories deliberately to get Trump out of office? Did they not practice propaganda? Did CNN not wax lyrical endlessly about Russia hacking the 2016 elections?
Sorry but they are definitely equivalent, I’m surprised you even tried to say otherwise….
On SAGE, I’m not talking about anti-vax lunatics, I went through the figures (you and I did several times) once we both got the timescales wrong which put things into context but several others they were plastering the absolute worst, worst case scenarios and even then the numbers were way out of whack with reality, time & time again. ‘These aren’t projections’ remember that nonsense?
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So on CNN v Fox, the current legal troubles facing Fox News I think are telling around their respective roles. Their viewers have continuously been the most ill-informed of any mainstream outlet. Hardly surprising given the deliberate colluded disinformation coming from many of their presenters. In terms of actual known information that is public, it paints Fox News as a uniquely bad mainstream media institution. In fact, I recall on this site previously where the “Fox News isn’t to be believed” narrative was suggested. That’s not the same as CNN. Now trump and his campaign are not against the idea of suing, in fact culturally they actively support it. Thus one must wonder why they haven’t sued CNN for what you are suggesting? Occums razor would lead one to conclude that CNN, while it may have had elements of bias, is nowhere near the legally questionable position that Fox News finds itself in.
On the other stuff on SAGE I get you now, but I do think (as I said at the time) the way this information was interpreted and spread by media organisations was unhelpful to say the least. It was, and this is something I see in CNN and is a function of 24 hour news cycles, sensationalised IMO. The absolute most extreme figure from a report presented and shouted from the rooftops, not by SAGE, not by the scientific community, but by politicians of all sides looking to make political moves and by media organisations across the spectrum.
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 14 minutes ago
Satty, that online university I mentioned the other day sounds pretty cool. The best lecturers in the world, no ideology, and run by the most unideological Canadian psychologist anyone could think of. Cheap at $60,000 USD a pop. And all exams will be multiple choice.
Now tell me old JP aint a flim-flam man.
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Can’t say I looked into it mate, just thought that 60k is a lot for uni
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Well speaking as a semiliterate under educated guy. I see through his BS. He's nothing but a con man and as far as I have seen he should actually visit one of his colleagues to learn coping methods and get an opinion on his phobias and manic mood swings. Not because I give a schit about him, but I do worry about the poor weaklings he sucks in.
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Grifters gonna grift 🤷♂️
From the Oakeshott files…
Hancock: “What a bunch of absolute arsses the teaching unions are”
Williamson (Secretary of State for Education at the time): “I know they really really do just hate work”
You know, Isabel is starting to grow on me
I think with the election of Trump, liberal news outlets did lose their minds a bit! They defintely did not do any favours to build much trust between the population and mainstream media.
Then again, I do find that the intersection of misinformation and right wing beliefs, is more unique and extreme to some parts of the world like North America, Brazil and Russia, and less so with other parts of the world.
I am not sure if Fox News is entirely to blame, as some of it defintely comes from new media and social media.
comment by Black Hawk (U16342)
posted 1 minute ago
I think with the election of Trump, liberal news outlets did lose their minds a bit! They defintely did not do any favours to build much trust between the population and mainstream media.
Then again, I do find that the intersection of misinformation and right wing beliefs, is more unique and extreme to some parts of the world like North America, Brazil and Russia, and less so with other parts of the world.
I am not sure if Fox News is entirely to blame, as some of it defintely comes from new media and social media.
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Hungary, Italy and France don't make your list,BH?
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Black Hawk (U16342)
posted 1 minute ago
I think with the election of Trump, liberal news outlets did lose their minds a bit! They defintely did not do any favours to build much trust between the population and mainstream media.
Then again, I do find that the intersection of misinformation and right wing beliefs, is more unique and extreme to some parts of the world like North America, Brazil and Russia, and less so with other parts of the world.
I am not sure if Fox News is entirely to blame, as some of it defintely comes from new media and social media.
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Hungary, Italy and France don't make your list,BH?
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Turkey too?
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted about a minute ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Black Hawk (U16342)
posted 1 minute ago
I think with the election of Trump, liberal news outlets did lose their minds a bit! They defintely did not do any favours to build much trust between the population and mainstream media.
Then again, I do find that the intersection of misinformation and right wing beliefs, is more unique and extreme to some parts of the world like North America, Brazil and Russia, and less so with other parts of the world.
I am not sure if Fox News is entirely to blame, as some of it defintely comes from new media and social media.
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Hungary, Italy and France don't make your list,BH?
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Turkey too?
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You can all certainly add the countries I missed!
But I do think the US's right is quite extreme and misinformed in comparison to others. They have sadly been able to export the same kind of tactics though.
The new right is much more global with its goals and mindset. As a movement they are far more aware in building coalitions across continents and into other parts of the world. Hence why you see two remarkable events occurring in the US and then in Brazil, with striking similarities.
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posted on 2/3/23
comment by Jonathan Moore (U11781)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 7 minutes ago
It was a pogrom, it was evil and the politician saying it was due to legitimate concerns or whatever belongs in jail
My issue isn't that we can't call out the current Israeli govt for what it is, it's that a Labour opposition, that is the current govt in waiting, would be insane to do so.
It's not just the spectre of antisemitism, it does nothing for the type people who are turning to labour currently
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So wait until its convenient to speak against this filthy religious nationalism?
Its a shame that Jews who are against this will as usual be branded as "self-hating".
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If you have to wait till you get in power to speak about something as disgusting as this what does it say about the state of this country eh?
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How does it help them win votes or help the people in this country who's lives are being ruined by this govt?
posted on 2/3/23
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
comment by Ten Hag Bald is Best Ball at its Facking Finest (U17054)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Jalisco Red - Total Hagball (U4195)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Ten Hag Bald is Best Ball at its Facking Fines... (U17054)
posted 5 minutes ago
Don't know if anyone else has noticed or if it has been widely reported and I've missed it, but...
When you report a tweet on Twitter, the process asks you for a reason why the content you're referring should be reviewed. There are various different categories: hate speech, defamation, gore/violence, etc.
I just tried to report a tweet including a demonstrably false and dangerous statement (about miscarriage rates for pregnant women who have been vaccinated against COVID-19), and the previously existing option to report such (I can't remember exactly how it was entitled or described, but it was basically a 'dangerous misinformation' catch-all) has been removed.
This means there is no longer any way to report tweets containing harmful misinformation on Twitter.
Completely unsurprising, and further evidence of what Musk is up to.
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Musk and many others love misinformation, disinformation and outright lies. They see it as freedom of speech. Fact checkers are the enemy. People who actually know what they're talking about are the enemy. It's frightening.
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It isn't about protecting or championing freedom of speech for them though.
It's about normalising the concept of alternative facts, purposefully muddying all waters with a soup of conflicting reports to the extent (in their aims, at least) that the general public is no longer able to discern fact from fiction.
What's left is a populous that struggles more and more to get a grip on what's really happening in the world around them and why, and becomes more and more susceptible to even the most casually-constructed propaganda, leaving those who have the strongest ability to reach, capture and monopolise their attention free to push the narratives serving their own ends.
It's straight out of the fascist playbook, and frighteningly effective, as we've seen with Trump, Bolsonaro, the Brexit campaigns and Johnson's govt, and the media successes of the likes of Fox News.
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Complete one-sided brainwashed nonsense, as per usual.
No mention of SAGE and the ton of crap they came out with which was entirely misleading on many occasions, no mention of CNN doing the exact same crap that FOX does, no mention of Clinton/Democrats with the fake Russian links, no mention of the 2016 election being 'stolen', no mention of Twitter blocking the Hunter Biden story and banning the New York Post.
It's only Elon Musk, Trump, Jonhson, Bolsonaro and the Brexit campaigns and Fox that carry out this deliberate misinformation.
Truly, truly sad. #echochamber
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Who is being sued by Dominion for their misinfir... Oh fek call it what it is... Lies.
Defend your heroes to the end SatNav. Oh and your post is the definition of whataboutery.
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Steve Bannon, the man who has spent a career publicly developing a “platform for the alt-right” (his words) and also happens to have written the modern playbook, again publicly, on how to leverage the alternative facts paradigm was Trump’s Chief of Staff, advised Bolsonaro and his family, and worked for CA during Brexit campaigning.
He’s was also the creator of Breitbart media, platforming other alt-right misinformation junkies like Milo Yiannopoulos, and tried to develop a pan-European far right movement, including the likes of Le Pen, Wilders and Farage.
It’s as clear which section of the political spectrum developed and has adopted the contemporary incarnation of the alternative facts paradigm as are the roots of the concept. (For anyone still unsure, Umberto Eco’s work on ur-fascism, and commentaries on Hitler, Mussolini and Berlusconi are all informative.)
posted on 2/3/23
comment by Jalisco Red - Total Hagball (U4195)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
comment by Ten Hag Bald is Best Ball at its Facking Finest (U17054)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Jalisco Red - Total Hagball (U4195)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Ten Hag Bald is Best Ball at its Facking Fines... (U17054)
posted 5 minutes ago
Don't know if anyone else has noticed or if it has been widely reported and I've missed it, but...
When you report a tweet on Twitter, the process asks you for a reason why the content you're referring should be reviewed. There are various different categories: hate speech, defamation, gore/violence, etc.
I just tried to report a tweet including a demonstrably false and dangerous statement (about miscarriage rates for pregnant women who have been vaccinated against COVID-19), and the previously existing option to report such (I can't remember exactly how it was entitled or described, but it was basically a 'dangerous misinformation' catch-all) has been removed.
This means there is no longer any way to report tweets containing harmful misinformation on Twitter.
Completely unsurprising, and further evidence of what Musk is up to.
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Musk and many others love misinformation, disinformation and outright lies. They see it as freedom of speech. Fact checkers are the enemy. People who actually know what they're talking about are the enemy. It's frightening.
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It isn't about protecting or championing freedom of speech for them though.
It's about normalising the concept of alternative facts, purposefully muddying all waters with a soup of conflicting reports to the extent (in their aims, at least) that the general public is no longer able to discern fact from fiction.
What's left is a populous that struggles more and more to get a grip on what's really happening in the world around them and why, and becomes more and more susceptible to even the most casually-constructed propaganda, leaving those who have the strongest ability to reach, capture and monopolise their attention free to push the narratives serving their own ends.
It's straight out of the fascist playbook, and frighteningly effective, as we've seen with Trump, Bolsonaro, the Brexit campaigns and Johnson's govt, and the media successes of the likes of Fox News.
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Complete one-sided brainwashed nonsense, as per usual.
No mention of SAGE and the ton of crap they came out with which was entirely misleading on many occasions, no mention of CNN doing the exact same crap that FOX does, no mention of Clinton/Democrats with the fake Russian links, no mention of the 2016 election being 'stolen', no mention of Twitter blocking the Hunter Biden story and banning the New York Post.
It's only Elon Musk, Trump, Jonhson, Bolsonaro and the Brexit campaigns and Fox that carry out this deliberate misinformation.
Truly, truly sad. #echochamber
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Who is being sued by Dominion for their misinfir... Oh fek call it what it is... Lies.
Defend your heroes to the end SatNav. Oh and your post is the definition of whataboutery.
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Haven't Fox News/Tucker Carlson/Sidney Powell all tried the amazing 'the things we say are so ridiculous that no sensible person would believe them' legal defence?
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The text messages and emails sent by Carlson, Hannity, Ingraham and senior producers at Fox News disclosed under subpoena speak everything about how Fox News operates, what their agenda is, how much interest they have in the truth of what they broadcast, and how they respect their viewership.
posted on 2/3/23
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 7 minutes ago
It was a pogrom, it was evil and the politician saying it was due to legitimate concerns or whatever belongs in jail
My issue isn't that we can't call out the current Israeli govt for what it is, it's that a Labour opposition, that is the current govt in waiting, would be insane to do so.
It's not just the spectre of antisemitism, it does nothing for the type people who are turning to labour currently
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So wait until its convenient to speak against this filthy religious nationalism?
Its a shame that Jews who are against this will as usual be branded as "self-hating".
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This is what labour have become.
Power at all costs, Party before principles.
Thats how the Tories operate, at some point Labour are going to wake up realising we are so fecking close to the Tories its pointless evicting them.
Look at them courting big business, listen to the radio 4 interview the other day with an investment banker talking about how he's left the Tories after 20 years to join labour because they represent better investment opportunities.
These new labour lovers (not us long term members) will get the labour administration they crave at all costs and ONLY then, will they realise it doesn't stand for the man on the street at all, starmer moves further and further right every few months to win even more Tory voters, and they will soon be indistinguishable
posted on 2/3/23
Times change, Old Labour were/are unelectable
posted on 2/3/23
Sue Gray has actually been appointed as Starmer’s head of staff now after all. Tories gonna Tory
posted on 2/3/23
Sue Gray was a civil servant you pleb
posted on 2/3/23
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 2 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
comment by Ten Hag Bald is Best Ball at its Facking Finest (U17054)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Jalisco Red - Total Hagball (U4195)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Ten Hag Bald is Best Ball at its Facking Fines... (U17054)
posted 5 minutes ago
Don't know if anyone else has noticed or if it has been widely reported and I've missed it, but...
When you report a tweet on Twitter, the process asks you for a reason why the content you're referring should be reviewed. There are various different categories: hate speech, defamation, gore/violence, etc.
I just tried to report a tweet including a demonstrably false and dangerous statement (about miscarriage rates for pregnant women who have been vaccinated against COVID-19), and the previously existing option to report such (I can't remember exactly how it was entitled or described, but it was basically a 'dangerous misinformation' catch-all) has been removed.
This means there is no longer any way to report tweets containing harmful misinformation on Twitter.
Completely unsurprising, and further evidence of what Musk is up to.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Musk and many others love misinformation, disinformation and outright lies. They see it as freedom of speech. Fact checkers are the enemy. People who actually know what they're talking about are the enemy. It's frightening.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It isn't about protecting or championing freedom of speech for them though.
It's about normalising the concept of alternative facts, purposefully muddying all waters with a soup of conflicting reports to the extent (in their aims, at least) that the general public is no longer able to discern fact from fiction.
What's left is a populous that struggles more and more to get a grip on what's really happening in the world around them and why, and becomes more and more susceptible to even the most casually-constructed propaganda, leaving those who have the strongest ability to reach, capture and monopolise their attention free to push the narratives serving their own ends.
It's straight out of the fascist playbook, and frighteningly effective, as we've seen with Trump, Bolsonaro, the Brexit campaigns and Johnson's govt, and the media successes of the likes of Fox News.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Complete one-sided brainwashed nonsense, as per usual.
No mention of SAGE and the ton of crap they came out with which was entirely misleading on many occasions, no mention of CNN doing the exact same crap that FOX does, no mention of Clinton/Democrats with the fake Russian links, no mention of the 2016 election being 'stolen', no mention of Twitter blocking the Hunter Biden story and banning the New York Post.
It's only Elon Musk, Trump, Jonhson, Bolsonaro and the Brexit campaigns and Fox that carry out this deliberate misinformation.
Truly, truly sad. #echochamber
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Who is being sued by Dominion for their misinfir... Oh fek call it what it is... Lies.
Defend your heroes to the end SatNav. Oh and your post is the definition of whataboutery.
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No it isn’t, it’s pointing out the blatant bias of the previous post. It’s of no surprise to me that Fox is in trouble but they’re not the only guilty party, despite what that previous post would have you believe.
None of them are my heroes SoQ, no need to be childish.
posted on 2/3/23
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 41 minutes ago
Sue Gray was a civil servant you pleb
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And her son is a labour staffer.
It's not a measure of being a Tory in my opinion.
It does somewhat indicate their preference for the status quo though, she's been hired because she knows how the government currently works, and it's very reminiscent of Blair.
posted on 2/3/23
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
Times change, Old Labour were/are unelectable
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I agree but I appreciate that Insert and others refuse to compromise / sellout their principles.
posted on 2/3/23
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted about an hour ago
Times change, Old Labour were/are unelectable
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Completely disagree.
The new labour Blairites did however get the cycle right, and have tricked their way in to the leadership at the right moment
Starmers entire leadership campaign was based on continuing the Corbyn/McDonell policies/legacy, Annaliese Dodds was recommended as shadow chancellor by McDonnell in fact for that reason.
Even unlikeable Corbyn would have walked this election, but I think a more likeable candidate with his policies (i.e. Burnham) would be even further ahead than starmer is.
Corbyn stood for something, he wanted to fix a broken system and he had an aspirational view for the future of the country that's unmatched by other politicians.
posted on 2/3/23
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
Times change, Old Labour were/are unelectable
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I agree but I appreciate that Insert and others refuse to compromise / sellout their principles.
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It's not just about selling out their principles. They are paralysed by fear of committing to anything, to the point he's rolling back on the few policies he did have 🤷🏼♂️
If you can't speak out against a pogrom in Palestine for fear of being called anti Semitic then the whole situation is broken beyond repair.
We rightfully spend billions protecting Ukraine from Russia, we went to war in the middle east multiple times to stop atrocities against civilians, but we are going to turn a completely blind eye to situations like in Yemen or Palestine
It's not about not compromising your beliefs, anyone with a shred of decency/humanity should be condemning the Israeli assault on Huwara
posted on 2/3/23
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 2 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
comment by Ten Hag Bald is Best Ball at its Facking Finest (U17054)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Jalisco Red - Total Hagball (U4195)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Ten Hag Bald is Best Ball at its Facking Fines... (U17054)
posted 5 minutes ago
Don't know if anyone else has noticed or if it has been widely reported and I've missed it, but...
When you report a tweet on Twitter, the process asks you for a reason why the content you're referring should be reviewed. There are various different categories: hate speech, defamation, gore/violence, etc.
I just tried to report a tweet including a demonstrably false and dangerous statement (about miscarriage rates for pregnant women who have been vaccinated against COVID-19), and the previously existing option to report such (I can't remember exactly how it was entitled or described, but it was basically a 'dangerous misinformation' catch-all) has been removed.
This means there is no longer any way to report tweets containing harmful misinformation on Twitter.
Completely unsurprising, and further evidence of what Musk is up to.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Musk and many others love misinformation, disinformation and outright lies. They see it as freedom of speech. Fact checkers are the enemy. People who actually know what they're talking about are the enemy. It's frightening.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It isn't about protecting or championing freedom of speech for them though.
It's about normalising the concept of alternative facts, purposefully muddying all waters with a soup of conflicting reports to the extent (in their aims, at least) that the general public is no longer able to discern fact from fiction.
What's left is a populous that struggles more and more to get a grip on what's really happening in the world around them and why, and becomes more and more susceptible to even the most casually-constructed propaganda, leaving those who have the strongest ability to reach, capture and monopolise their attention free to push the narratives serving their own ends.
It's straight out of the fascist playbook, and frighteningly effective, as we've seen with Trump, Bolsonaro, the Brexit campaigns and Johnson's govt, and the media successes of the likes of Fox News.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Complete one-sided brainwashed nonsense, as per usual.
No mention of SAGE and the ton of crap they came out with which was entirely misleading on many occasions, no mention of CNN doing the exact same crap that FOX does, no mention of Clinton/Democrats with the fake Russian links, no mention of the 2016 election being 'stolen', no mention of Twitter blocking the Hunter Biden story and banning the New York Post.
It's only Elon Musk, Trump, Jonhson, Bolsonaro and the Brexit campaigns and Fox that carry out this deliberate misinformation.
Truly, truly sad. #echochamber
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Who is being sued by Dominion for their misinfir... Oh fek call it what it is... Lies.
Defend your heroes to the end SatNav. Oh and your post is the definition of whataboutery.
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No it isn’t, it’s pointing out the blatant bias of the previous post. It’s of no surprise to me that Fox is in trouble but they’re not the only guilty party, despite what that previous post would have you believe.
None of them are my heroes SoQ, no need to be childish.
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The challenge you’ve got though Satters is that what you’re equating (Fox v CNN for example) aren’t equivalent. CNN you can argue at times has been one-sided, and much like the bbc it’s foreign coverage is much better than national coverage. However, this is evidently different from the active, deliberate, and potentially criminal disinformation campaign that Fox News engaged in.
Similarly on SAGE, and it’s amusing to me the false narratives being constructed by the likes of Nelson and his anti-lockdown comrades, I’m not quite sure what you’re equating them to? Vaccine disinformation? “Lockdown sceptics” ?
posted on 2/3/23
Johnson criticised Rishi Sunak’s Northern Ireland deal, saying that it was “not about the UK taking back control” and that it would act as a “drag anchor on divergence”
Ah well, little Rishi's honeymoon period after his NI deal didn't last long. His fanboys within the conservative party are gonna test the wee fellas political skills.
Johnson also stirred the culture war pot and said we shouldn't give the Parthenon marbles back to Greece. Cue *patriotic outrage.
posted on 2/3/23
Satty, that online university I mentioned the other day sounds pretty cool. The best lecturers in the world, no ideology, and run by the most unideological Canadian psychologist anyone could think of. Cheap at $60,000 USD a pop. And all exams will be multiple choice.
Now tell me old JP aint a flim-flam man.
posted on 2/3/23
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 2 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
comment by Ten Hag Bald is Best Ball at its Facking Finest (U17054)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Jalisco Red - Total Hagball (U4195)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Ten Hag Bald is Best Ball at its Facking Fines... (U17054)
posted 5 minutes ago
Don't know if anyone else has noticed or if it has been widely reported and I've missed it, but...
When you report a tweet on Twitter, the process asks you for a reason why the content you're referring should be reviewed. There are various different categories: hate speech, defamation, gore/violence, etc.
I just tried to report a tweet including a demonstrably false and dangerous statement (about miscarriage rates for pregnant women who have been vaccinated against COVID-19), and the previously existing option to report such (I can't remember exactly how it was entitled or described, but it was basically a 'dangerous misinformation' catch-all) has been removed.
This means there is no longer any way to report tweets containing harmful misinformation on Twitter.
Completely unsurprising, and further evidence of what Musk is up to.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Musk and many others love misinformation, disinformation and outright lies. They see it as freedom of speech. Fact checkers are the enemy. People who actually know what they're talking about are the enemy. It's frightening.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It isn't about protecting or championing freedom of speech for them though.
It's about normalising the concept of alternative facts, purposefully muddying all waters with a soup of conflicting reports to the extent (in their aims, at least) that the general public is no longer able to discern fact from fiction.
What's left is a populous that struggles more and more to get a grip on what's really happening in the world around them and why, and becomes more and more susceptible to even the most casually-constructed propaganda, leaving those who have the strongest ability to reach, capture and monopolise their attention free to push the narratives serving their own ends.
It's straight out of the fascist playbook, and frighteningly effective, as we've seen with Trump, Bolsonaro, the Brexit campaigns and Johnson's govt, and the media successes of the likes of Fox News.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Complete one-sided brainwashed nonsense, as per usual.
No mention of SAGE and the ton of crap they came out with which was entirely misleading on many occasions, no mention of CNN doing the exact same crap that FOX does, no mention of Clinton/Democrats with the fake Russian links, no mention of the 2016 election being 'stolen', no mention of Twitter blocking the Hunter Biden story and banning the New York Post.
It's only Elon Musk, Trump, Jonhson, Bolsonaro and the Brexit campaigns and Fox that carry out this deliberate misinformation.
Truly, truly sad. #echochamber
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who is being sued by Dominion for their misinfir... Oh fek call it what it is... Lies.
Defend your heroes to the end SatNav. Oh and your post is the definition of whataboutery.
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No it isn’t, it’s pointing out the blatant bias of the previous post. It’s of no surprise to me that Fox is in trouble but they’re not the only guilty party, despite what that previous post would have you believe.
None of them are my heroes SoQ, no need to be childish.
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The challenge you’ve got though Satters is that what you’re equating (Fox v CNN for example) aren’t equivalent. CNN you can argue at times has been one-sided, and much like the bbc it’s foreign coverage is much better than national coverage. However, this is evidently different from the active, deliberate, and potentially criminal disinformation campaign that Fox News engaged in.
Similarly on SAGE, and it’s amusing to me the false narratives being constructed by the likes of Nelson and his anti-lockdown comrades, I’m not quite sure what you’re equating them to? Vaccine disinformation? “Lockdown sceptics” ?
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Why aren’t they equivalent? Because you say so? Did CNN not make up stories deliberately to get Trump out of office? Did they not practice propaganda? Did CNN not wax lyrical endlessly about Russia hacking the 2016 elections?
Sorry but they are definitely equivalent, I’m surprised you even tried to say otherwise….
On SAGE, I’m not talking about anti-vax lunatics, I went through the figures (you and I did several times) once we both got the timescales wrong which put things into context but several others they were plastering the absolute worst, worst case scenarios and even then the numbers were way out of whack with reality, time & time again. ‘These aren’t projections’ remember that nonsense?
posted on 2/3/23
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 14 minutes ago
Satty, that online university I mentioned the other day sounds pretty cool. The best lecturers in the world, no ideology, and run by the most unideological Canadian psychologist anyone could think of. Cheap at $60,000 USD a pop. And all exams will be multiple choice.
Now tell me old JP aint a flim-flam man.
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Can’t say I looked into it mate, just thought that 60k is a lot for uni
posted on 2/3/23
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 14 minutes ago
Satty, that online university I mentioned the other day sounds pretty cool. The best lecturers in the world, no ideology, and run by the most unideological Canadian psychologist anyone could think of. Cheap at $60,000 USD a pop. And all exams will be multiple choice.
Now tell me old JP aint a flim-flam man.
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Can’t say I looked into it mate, just thought that 60k is a lot for uni
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Well speaking as a semiliterate under educated guy. I see through his BS. He's nothing but a con man and as far as I have seen he should actually visit one of his colleagues to learn coping methods and get an opinion on his phobias and manic mood swings. Not because I give a schit about him, but I do worry about the poor weaklings he sucks in.
posted on 2/3/23
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 2 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
comment by Ten Hag Bald is Best Ball at its Facking Finest (U17054)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Jalisco Red - Total Hagball (U4195)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Ten Hag Bald is Best Ball at its Facking Fines... (U17054)
posted 5 minutes ago
Don't know if anyone else has noticed or if it has been widely reported and I've missed it, but...
When you report a tweet on Twitter, the process asks you for a reason why the content you're referring should be reviewed. There are various different categories: hate speech, defamation, gore/violence, etc.
I just tried to report a tweet including a demonstrably false and dangerous statement (about miscarriage rates for pregnant women who have been vaccinated against COVID-19), and the previously existing option to report such (I can't remember exactly how it was entitled or described, but it was basically a 'dangerous misinformation' catch-all) has been removed.
This means there is no longer any way to report tweets containing harmful misinformation on Twitter.
Completely unsurprising, and further evidence of what Musk is up to.
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Musk and many others love misinformation, disinformation and outright lies. They see it as freedom of speech. Fact checkers are the enemy. People who actually know what they're talking about are the enemy. It's frightening.
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It isn't about protecting or championing freedom of speech for them though.
It's about normalising the concept of alternative facts, purposefully muddying all waters with a soup of conflicting reports to the extent (in their aims, at least) that the general public is no longer able to discern fact from fiction.
What's left is a populous that struggles more and more to get a grip on what's really happening in the world around them and why, and becomes more and more susceptible to even the most casually-constructed propaganda, leaving those who have the strongest ability to reach, capture and monopolise their attention free to push the narratives serving their own ends.
It's straight out of the fascist playbook, and frighteningly effective, as we've seen with Trump, Bolsonaro, the Brexit campaigns and Johnson's govt, and the media successes of the likes of Fox News.
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Complete one-sided brainwashed nonsense, as per usual.
No mention of SAGE and the ton of crap they came out with which was entirely misleading on many occasions, no mention of CNN doing the exact same crap that FOX does, no mention of Clinton/Democrats with the fake Russian links, no mention of the 2016 election being 'stolen', no mention of Twitter blocking the Hunter Biden story and banning the New York Post.
It's only Elon Musk, Trump, Jonhson, Bolsonaro and the Brexit campaigns and Fox that carry out this deliberate misinformation.
Truly, truly sad. #echochamber
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Who is being sued by Dominion for their misinfir... Oh fek call it what it is... Lies.
Defend your heroes to the end SatNav. Oh and your post is the definition of whataboutery.
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No it isn’t, it’s pointing out the blatant bias of the previous post. It’s of no surprise to me that Fox is in trouble but they’re not the only guilty party, despite what that previous post would have you believe.
None of them are my heroes SoQ, no need to be childish.
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The challenge you’ve got though Satters is that what you’re equating (Fox v CNN for example) aren’t equivalent. CNN you can argue at times has been one-sided, and much like the bbc it’s foreign coverage is much better than national coverage. However, this is evidently different from the active, deliberate, and potentially criminal disinformation campaign that Fox News engaged in.
Similarly on SAGE, and it’s amusing to me the false narratives being constructed by the likes of Nelson and his anti-lockdown comrades, I’m not quite sure what you’re equating them to? Vaccine disinformation? “Lockdown sceptics” ?
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Why aren’t they equivalent? Because you say so? Did CNN not make up stories deliberately to get Trump out of office? Did they not practice propaganda? Did CNN not wax lyrical endlessly about Russia hacking the 2016 elections?
Sorry but they are definitely equivalent, I’m surprised you even tried to say otherwise….
On SAGE, I’m not talking about anti-vax lunatics, I went through the figures (you and I did several times) once we both got the timescales wrong which put things into context but several others they were plastering the absolute worst, worst case scenarios and even then the numbers were way out of whack with reality, time & time again. ‘These aren’t projections’ remember that nonsense?
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So on CNN v Fox, the current legal troubles facing Fox News I think are telling around their respective roles. Their viewers have continuously been the most ill-informed of any mainstream outlet. Hardly surprising given the deliberate colluded disinformation coming from many of their presenters. In terms of actual known information that is public, it paints Fox News as a uniquely bad mainstream media institution. In fact, I recall on this site previously where the “Fox News isn’t to be believed” narrative was suggested. That’s not the same as CNN. Now trump and his campaign are not against the idea of suing, in fact culturally they actively support it. Thus one must wonder why they haven’t sued CNN for what you are suggesting? Occums razor would lead one to conclude that CNN, while it may have had elements of bias, is nowhere near the legally questionable position that Fox News finds itself in.
On the other stuff on SAGE I get you now, but I do think (as I said at the time) the way this information was interpreted and spread by media organisations was unhelpful to say the least. It was, and this is something I see in CNN and is a function of 24 hour news cycles, sensationalised IMO. The absolute most extreme figure from a report presented and shouted from the rooftops, not by SAGE, not by the scientific community, but by politicians of all sides looking to make political moves and by media organisations across the spectrum.
posted on 2/3/23
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
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comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
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comment by son of quebec (U8127)
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Satty, that online university I mentioned the other day sounds pretty cool. The best lecturers in the world, no ideology, and run by the most unideological Canadian psychologist anyone could think of. Cheap at $60,000 USD a pop. And all exams will be multiple choice.
Now tell me old JP aint a flim-flam man.
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Can’t say I looked into it mate, just thought that 60k is a lot for uni
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Well speaking as a semiliterate under educated guy. I see through his BS. He's nothing but a con man and as far as I have seen he should actually visit one of his colleagues to learn coping methods and get an opinion on his phobias and manic mood swings. Not because I give a schit about him, but I do worry about the poor weaklings he sucks in.
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Grifters gonna grift 🤷♂️
posted on 2/3/23
From the Oakeshott files…
Hancock: “What a bunch of absolute arsses the teaching unions are”
Williamson (Secretary of State for Education at the time): “I know they really really do just hate work”
You know, Isabel is starting to grow on me
posted on 2/3/23
I think with the election of Trump, liberal news outlets did lose their minds a bit! They defintely did not do any favours to build much trust between the population and mainstream media.
Then again, I do find that the intersection of misinformation and right wing beliefs, is more unique and extreme to some parts of the world like North America, Brazil and Russia, and less so with other parts of the world.
I am not sure if Fox News is entirely to blame, as some of it defintely comes from new media and social media.
posted on 2/3/23
comment by Black Hawk (U16342)
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I think with the election of Trump, liberal news outlets did lose their minds a bit! They defintely did not do any favours to build much trust between the population and mainstream media.
Then again, I do find that the intersection of misinformation and right wing beliefs, is more unique and extreme to some parts of the world like North America, Brazil and Russia, and less so with other parts of the world.
I am not sure if Fox News is entirely to blame, as some of it defintely comes from new media and social media.
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Hungary, Italy and France don't make your list,BH?
posted on 2/3/23
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Black Hawk (U16342)
posted 1 minute ago
I think with the election of Trump, liberal news outlets did lose their minds a bit! They defintely did not do any favours to build much trust between the population and mainstream media.
Then again, I do find that the intersection of misinformation and right wing beliefs, is more unique and extreme to some parts of the world like North America, Brazil and Russia, and less so with other parts of the world.
I am not sure if Fox News is entirely to blame, as some of it defintely comes from new media and social media.
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Hungary, Italy and France don't make your list,BH?
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Turkey too?
posted on 2/3/23
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted about a minute ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Black Hawk (U16342)
posted 1 minute ago
I think with the election of Trump, liberal news outlets did lose their minds a bit! They defintely did not do any favours to build much trust between the population and mainstream media.
Then again, I do find that the intersection of misinformation and right wing beliefs, is more unique and extreme to some parts of the world like North America, Brazil and Russia, and less so with other parts of the world.
I am not sure if Fox News is entirely to blame, as some of it defintely comes from new media and social media.
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Hungary, Italy and France don't make your list,BH?
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Turkey too?
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You can all certainly add the countries I missed!
But I do think the US's right is quite extreme and misinformed in comparison to others. They have sadly been able to export the same kind of tactics though.
The new right is much more global with its goals and mindset. As a movement they are far more aware in building coalitions across continents and into other parts of the world. Hence why you see two remarkable events occurring in the US and then in Brazil, with striking similarities.
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