comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 minute ago
https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/e98ceefb6d35f552530c18e9d9b010f404e0c205/0_0_5464_3640/master/5464.jpg?width=465&dpr=2&s=none&crop=none
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I love it.

I am doing but it’s an hour long interview. Bear with, thanks.

Ever seen those documentaries where poor little penguins take an absolute battering trying to get out of a stormy sea and climb to safety.

I was reminded of them by Sat Nav this morning.

comment by No Løve - Play stoopid games win stoopid prizes (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
Explain how the content in the link is "no substance".

Shouldn't be hard to do. It's easy to make that statement but can you substantiate it? I bet you can't.

The link shows her depth of knowledge on a variety of issues and that's why you don't want to address her actual level points, preferring to remain obscure and random in your statements.
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It’s over an hour long the actual interview.

She posits that the ‘republicans want to raise the cost of housing & groceries to hurt democrats but it’s just hurting Americans’ - no detail behind this

TSA and other unpaid federal workers - what can we do to stop them from losing their home? Pick up the phone, there is no disagreement, make a deal / compromise and pass a bill. “School house rock” - again no detail behind this. What compromise are you suggesting? What deal? Oh yeah just make a deal it’s fine, it’s easy. Not displaying any in-depth knowledge at all.


Get politics out of healthcare but we should put negotiations in the hands of our politicians.

Federal employee air traffic controller asks what to do when the pay checks stop coming. AOC - come together as communities and SYSTEMICALLY expand programs. It’s needs to be as short as possible


One year of subsidies extension is cynical politicking but holding off negotiations until you get what you want is what AOC?


Billionaire tax cuts and healthcare cuts.

AOC - ‘Republicans digitally have been very clear about what they believe. That women are inferior and do not deserve equal rights. That they believe LGBTQ Americans are subhuman. That they are distributing disgusting racial and white supremacist messaging, they radicalise and target & exploit a generation of young boys away from healthy masculinity to an unhealthy masculinity based on domination of poorer, browner, darker or different gender than them.

This sums it for me. No evidence, no substance whatsoever. I’m sure that you agree with her wholeheartedly but personally I wouldn’t be saying something like that unless I could back it up with facts & evidence. She is calling all younger men who voted Republican racist, sxist, homophobic, transphobic. No love, it’s comments like that which are why you’re not getting votes from that demographic. A lot of the demographics voted increasingly Republican in the last election not just young men.

It’s all just slogans and talking points. All fart and no poo.

comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 13 minutes ago
Ever seen those documentaries where poor little penguins take an absolute battering trying to get out of a stormy sea and climb to safety.

I was reminded of them by Sat Nav this morning.
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By posting this, you’re just reinforcing my point tio

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by No Løve - Play stoopid games win stoopid prizes (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
Explain how the content in the link is "no substance".

Shouldn't be hard to do. It's easy to make that statement but can you substantiate it? I bet you can't.

The link shows her depth of knowledge on a variety of issues and that's why you don't want to address her actual level points, preferring to remain obscure and random in your statements.
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It’s over an hour long the actual interview.

She posits that the ‘republicans want to raise the cost of housing & groceries to hurt democrats but it’s just hurting Americans’ - no detail behind this

TSA and other unpaid federal workers - what can we do to stop them from losing their home? Pick up the phone, there is no disagreement, make a deal / compromise and pass a bill. “School house rock” - again no detail behind this. What compromise are you suggesting? What deal? Oh yeah just make a deal it’s fine, it’s easy. Not displaying any in-depth knowledge at all.


Get politics out of healthcare but we should put negotiations in the hands of our politicians.

Federal employee air traffic controller asks what to do when the pay checks stop coming. AOC - come together as communities and SYSTEMICALLY expand programs. It’s needs to be as short as possible


One year of subsidies extension is cynical politicking but holding off negotiations until you get what you want is what AOC?


Billionaire tax cuts and healthcare cuts.

AOC - ‘Republicans digitally have been very clear about what they believe. That women are inferior and do not deserve equal rights. That they believe LGBTQ Americans are subhuman. That they are distributing disgusting racial and white supremacist messaging, they radicalise and target & exploit a generation of young boys away from healthy masculinity to an unhealthy masculinity based on domination of poorer, browner, darker or different gender than them.

This sums it for me. No evidence, no substance whatsoever. I’m sure that you agree with her wholeheartedly but personally I wouldn’t be saying something like that unless I could back it up with facts & evidence. She is calling all younger men who voted Republican racist, sxist, homophobic, transphobic. No love, it’s comments like that which are why you’re not getting votes from that demographic. A lot of the demographics voted increasingly Republican in the last election not just young men.

It’s all just slogans and talking points. All fart and no poo.



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And what further fills my pot of opinion when it comes to AOC is when I hear her on CSPAN making a fool of herself or any of the other interviews that she has done where she has made a complete fool of herself.

This interview with Uncle Bernie on CNN doesn’t really change my opinion on her, no.

Facts don't matter as much as they used to. Particularly in the US & UK where you have the likes of Trump and Farage (previously Johnson).

I think to beat them you have be emotive, outlandish and sharp of tongue. It helps that you can be both factually and morally right of course but delivery has become more important.

comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 8 minutes ago
Facts don't matter as much as they used to. Particularly in the US & UK where you have the likes of Trump and Farage (previously Johnson).

I think to beat them you have be emotive, outlandish and sharp of tongue. It helps that you can be both factually and morally right of course but delivery has become more important.
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"I think that there's a lot of people more concerned about being precisely, factually, and semantically correct than about being morally right." - AOC

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 8 minutes ago
Facts don't matter as much as they used to. Particularly in the US & UK where you have the likes of Trump and Farage (previously Johnson).

I think to beat them you have be emotive, outlandish and sharp of tongue. It helps that you can be both factually and morally right of course but delivery has become more important.
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"I think that there's a lot of people more concerned about being precisely, factually, and semantically correct than about being morally right." - AOC
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"But being factually correct is important," Cooper told her.

"It's absolutely important," Ocasio-Cortez agreed.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/03/12/ocasio-cortezs-misleading-complaint-trump-did-not-transfer-funds-opioid-emergency/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/12/04/alexandria-ocasio-cortezs-trillion-mistake/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/05/06/pair-four-pinocchio-abortion-claims/


Don’t you just hate those right wing outlets gunning for left wingers, just because they’re left wingers?? Dirty nzi outlets.

It's behind a pay wall so I can't see the actual article

Plus the WP is owned by a guy who stood a few feet from Trump at the inauguration

What's your point? Politics has changed, you're not going to be able to stop cancer like Trump or Farage without tapping into something beyond facts and reason.

comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 4 minutes ago
It's behind a pay wall so I can't see the actual article

Plus the WP is owned by a guy who stood a few feet from Trump at the inauguration
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It’s just further exemplifying why I don’t rate AOC.

The right wing publication comment was sarcasm as it’s clearly a left-leaning outlet. Regardless who the owner stood a few feet away from.

No Bezos has clearly taken the paper away from liberalism and forbid them from endorsing Harris. I'm not surprised it would also go for AOC, though I can't read the content nor find any other articles relating to what they were saying.

https://www.npr.org/2025/02/26/nx-s1-5309725/jeff-bezos-washington-post-opinion-section

https://news.sky.com/story/bezoss-washington-post-bends-the-knee-again-amid-trumps-war-on-mainstream-media-13318715

https://theconversation.com/how-jeff-bezos-brought-the-washington-posts-global-reputation-into-question-251172

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2025/05/26/is-jeff-bezos-selling-out-the-washington-post

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/feb/26/jeff-bezos-washington-post-opinion

comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 1 minute ago
No Bezos has clearly taken the paper away from liberalism and forbid them from endorsing Harris. I'm not surprised it would also go for AOC, though I can't read the content nor find any other articles relating to what they were saying.

https://www.npr.org/2025/02/26/nx-s1-5309725/jeff-bezos-washington-post-opinion-section

https://news.sky.com/story/bezoss-washington-post-bends-the-knee-again-amid-trumps-war-on-mainstream-media-13318715

https://theconversation.com/how-jeff-bezos-brought-the-washington-posts-global-reputation-into-question-251172

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2025/05/26/is-jeff-bezos-selling-out-the-washington-post

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/feb/26/jeff-bezos-washington-post-opinion
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https://www.allsides.com/news-source/washington-post-media-bias

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 1 minute ago
No Bezos has clearly taken the paper away from liberalism and forbid them from endorsing Harris. I'm not surprised it would also go for AOC, though I can't read the content nor find any other articles relating to what they were saying.

https://www.npr.org/2025/02/26/nx-s1-5309725/jeff-bezos-washington-post-opinion-section

https://news.sky.com/story/bezoss-washington-post-bends-the-knee-again-amid-trumps-war-on-mainstream-media-13318715

https://theconversation.com/how-jeff-bezos-brought-the-washington-posts-global-reputation-into-question-251172

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2025/05/26/is-jeff-bezos-selling-out-the-washington-post

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/feb/26/jeff-bezos-washington-post-opinion
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https://www.allsides.com/news-source/washington-post-media-bias
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"Jeff Bezos bought the paper in 2013. Tensions between he and the newsroon have continued; in 2024 and 2025, multiple personnel resigned over the paper's non-endorsement of Kamala Harris and editorial changes advanced by Bezos."

comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 1 minute ago
No Bezos has clearly taken the paper away from liberalism and forbid them from endorsing Harris. I'm not surprised it would also go for AOC, though I can't read the content nor find any other articles relating to what they were saying.

https://www.npr.org/2025/02/26/nx-s1-5309725/jeff-bezos-washington-post-opinion-section

https://news.sky.com/story/bezoss-washington-post-bends-the-knee-again-amid-trumps-war-on-mainstream-media-13318715

https://theconversation.com/how-jeff-bezos-brought-the-washington-posts-global-reputation-into-question-251172

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2025/05/26/is-jeff-bezos-selling-out-the-washington-post

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/feb/26/jeff-bezos-washington-post-opinion
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https://www.allsides.com/news-source/washington-post-media-bias
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"Jeff Bezos bought the paper in 2013. Tensions between he and the newsroon have continued; in 2024 and 2025, multiple personnel resigned over the paper's non-endorsement of Kamala Harris and editorial changes advanced by Bezos."
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Doesn’t make the entire outlet not left leaning

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/washington-post/

comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 16 minutes ago
It's behind a pay wall so I can't see the actual article

Plus the WP is owned by a guy who stood a few feet from Trump at the inauguration
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https://thehill.com/homenews/media/419730-wapost-fact-checker-gives-ocasio-cortez-four-pinocchios-for-pentagon-claim/amp/

If you wish to read the actual story. I’ll try to find the others

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 16 minutes ago
It's behind a pay wall so I can't see the actual article

Plus the WP is owned by a guy who stood a few feet from Trump at the inauguration
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https://thehill.com/homenews/media/419730-wapost-fact-checker-gives-ocasio-cortez-four-pinocchios-for-pentagon-claim/amp/

If you wish to read the actual story. I’ll try to find the others
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This tweet, like much of Ocasio-Cortez’s social media, quickly went viral, earning about 35,000 retweets and more than 200,000 likes. It’s mostly a gripe about how she thinks the right is more extreme than the left, but at its core the tweet makes a claim that is false — that a Texas law passed in 2021 allows rapists to sue victims for getting an abortion. 😧

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 16 minutes ago
It's behind a pay wall so I can't see the actual article

Plus the WP is owned by a guy who stood a few feet from Trump at the inauguration
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https://thehill.com/homenews/media/419730-wapost-fact-checker-gives-ocasio-cortez-four-pinocchios-for-pentagon-claim/amp/

If you wish to read the actual story. I’ll try to find the others
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Again it's from the billionaire owned Washington Post which clearly has an agenda against AOC who says a system that allows billionaires to exist is immoral

comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 16 minutes ago
It's behind a pay wall so I can't see the actual article

Plus the WP is owned by a guy who stood a few feet from Trump at the inauguration
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https://thehill.com/homenews/media/419730-wapost-fact-checker-gives-ocasio-cortez-four-pinocchios-for-pentagon-claim/amp/

If you wish to read the actual story. I’ll try to find the others
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Again it's from the billionaire owned Washington Post which clearly has an agenda against AOC who says a system that allows billionaires to exist is immoral
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Does that make her claims true? Does it make their fact checking false?

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 16 minutes ago
It's behind a pay wall so I can't see the actual article

Plus the WP is owned by a guy who stood a few feet from Trump at the inauguration
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https://thehill.com/homenews/media/419730-wapost-fact-checker-gives-ocasio-cortez-four-pinocchios-for-pentagon-claim/amp/

If you wish to read the actual story. I’ll try to find the others
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Again it's from the billionaire owned Washington Post which clearly has an agenda against AOC who says a system that allows billionaires to exist is immoral
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Does that make her claims true? Does it make their fact checking false?
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/03/us/politics/fact-check-pentagon-medicare-alexandria-ocasio-cortez.html


https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/12/3/18122947/pentagon-accounting-error-medicare-for-all

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/07/politics/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-facts

Sat in the airport reading this thread and laughing my head off at Sat Nav’s attempts to rationalise his prejudices.

Give it up, mate. You’re getting so creamed here that your beginning to look like a multi-pack of Philadelphia.

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 16 minutes ago
It's behind a pay wall so I can't see the actual article

Plus the WP is owned by a guy who stood a few feet from Trump at the inauguration
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https://thehill.com/homenews/media/419730-wapost-fact-checker-gives-ocasio-cortez-four-pinocchios-for-pentagon-claim/amp/

If you wish to read the actual story. I’ll try to find the others
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Again it's from the billionaire owned Washington Post which clearly has an agenda against AOC who says a system that allows billionaires to exist is immoral
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Does that make her claims true? Does it make their fact checking false?
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/03/us/politics/fact-check-pentagon-medicare-alexandria-ocasio-cortez.html


https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/12/3/18122947/pentagon-accounting-error-medicare-for-all

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/07/politics/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-facts


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From the Vox article
"Misunderstandings fly around on Twitter all the time, and AOC’s level of policy knowledge is pretty typical for a member of Congress."

NYT - paywall <shrug>

CNN article is from 2019 and talks about beginner mistakes

I'm sorry Sat Nav mate but I'm not seeing this consistently incorrect bimbo you're trying to paint her as