comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
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comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
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comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 2 minutes ago
First concern would be what caused the demos in the first place.
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Your first concern about a disgusting incident on British soil calling for mass rape in response to the conflict in the Middle East and Israel’s actions, is the conflict in the Middle East and Israel’s actions?
That makes sense.
Personally I am happy that disgusting & dangerous people like that have been apprehended and dealt with by the law and I’m then glad it won’t ruin the genuine concerns over Israel’s actions.
You only seem to be bothered about the latter. Good to know
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My first concern is of the actual atrocities taking place.
As I said the person(s) shouting about rape diluted from the protest against those atrocities, namely the occupation of Palestine, and the treatment of Palestinians.
That being said, whoever shouted those obscene phrases from the car had any intention to do that? Who were they and what was their aim?
I’d let the police deal with that matter and keep the lens firmly on Israel’s actions.
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Yep. Like I said, that’s all you’re bothered about.
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So a bunch of yahoos shouting schit from a car is the same as murdering a couple of hundred people?
That's what I'm getting from your posts, SatNav.
Do you condemn the state of Israel for killing children?
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This is the impression I'm getting as well.
I'm wondering what's wrong with caring about the bloodshed in the middle east more than how people chose to protest about it?
Not to say that its not despicable what these idiots did but its not exactly insane, or anywhere near for that matter, to consider actual war and death of kids a greater priority.
Its Satty that has his priorities all wrong IMO.
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Try reading properly
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
I won’t let it overshadow actual atrocities though. I can make that distinction.
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Same thing happened with BLM protests. The moment a "protester" does something stupid then that's it, end of story, and that stupid act becomes more important than the actual reason why protests are taking place.
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542 moments including deaths of innocents. Very good
Effectively supermarkets in Northern Ireland will be less cumbersome to serve via the EU.
It’s what the populous of Northern Ireland wanted anyway, the majority was in favour of being part of the EU so that means a higher velocity of a circular economy between Northern Ireland and Republic of Ireland.
Another microstep towards being practically reunited
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comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
I won’t let it overshadow actual atrocities though. I can make that distinction.
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Same thing happened with BLM protests. The moment a "protester" does something stupid then that's it, end of story, and that stupid act becomes more important than the actual reason why protests are taking place.
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542 moments including deaths of innocents. Very good
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Contrast that with the millions (it was about 16m when fact check published last year, probably much more now) who peacefully protested. You understand why your focus on those who caused trouble comes across as undermining legitimate protest? Actually probably not.
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comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
I won’t let it overshadow actual atrocities though. I can make that distinction.
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Same thing happened with BLM protests. The moment a "protester" does something stupid then that's it, end of story, and that stupid act becomes more important than the actual reason why protests are taking place.
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542 moments including deaths of innocents. Very good
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Contrast that with the millions (it was about 16m when fact check published last year, probably much more now) who peacefully protested. You understand why your focus on those who caused trouble comes across as undermining legitimate protest? Actually probably not.
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What was fact checked? Do you know what I’m talking about when I say 542?
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comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
I won’t let it overshadow actual atrocities though. I can make that distinction.
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Same thing happened with BLM protests. The moment a "protester" does something stupid then that's it, end of story, and that stupid act becomes more important than the actual reason why protests are taking place.
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542 moments including deaths of innocents. Very good
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Contrast that with the millions (it was about 16m when fact check published last year, probably much more now) who peacefully protested. You understand why your focus on those who caused trouble comes across as undermining legitimate protest? Actually probably not.
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What was fact checked? Do you know what I’m talking about when I say 542?
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The figure of 16 million participants in BLM protests - fact checked on various sources, however I got it from the BBC.
You’re on about 542 ‘moments a protester does something stupid’ as mentioned initially by Mamba
comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 7 minutes ago
Effectively supermarkets in Northern Ireland will be less cumbersome to serve via the EU.
It’s what the populous of Northern Ireland wanted anyway, the majority was in favour of being part of the EU so that means a higher velocity of a circular economy between Northern Ireland and Republic of Ireland.
Another microstep towards being practically reunited
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Dont know if you remember Johnson and Varadker having private chats in some country pile late last year, no officials just the two Premiers.
https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/2218/production/_109182780_b60b7b85-943d-4b70-91cd-56d78fb17e2d.jpg
I have a sneaky feeling that Johnson is in favour of reuniting Ireland, as does Cummings who was still in poat at that time, and that that was what they were chatting about, the political steps of how go about it.
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comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
I won’t let it overshadow actual atrocities though. I can make that distinction.
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Same thing happened with BLM protests. The moment a "protester" does something stupid then that's it, end of story, and that stupid act becomes more important than the actual reason why protests are taking place.
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542 moments including deaths of innocents. Very good
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See.
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
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comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
I won’t let it overshadow actual atrocities though. I can make that distinction.
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Same thing happened with BLM protests. The moment a "protester" does something stupid then that's it, end of story, and that stupid act becomes more important than the actual reason why protests are taking place.
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542 moments including deaths of innocents. Very good
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See.
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As I said contrast that with the amount of people who took part peacefully. Why pick up the minute number of 542 if you’re not trying to draw focus away from legitimate peaceful protesters?
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comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
I won’t let it overshadow actual atrocities though. I can make that distinction.
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Same thing happened with BLM protests. The moment a "protester" does something stupid then that's it, end of story, and that stupid act becomes more important than the actual reason why protests are taking place.
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542 moments including deaths of innocents. Very good
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Contrast that with the millions (it was about 16m when fact check published last year, probably much more now) who peacefully protested. You understand why your focus on those who caused trouble comes across as undermining legitimate protest? Actually probably not.
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What was fact checked? Do you know what I’m talking about when I say 542?
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The figure of 16 million participants in BLM protests - fact checked on various sources, however I got it from the BBC.
You’re on about 542 ‘moments a protester does something stupid’ as mentioned initially by Mamba
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comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
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comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
I won’t let it overshadow actual atrocities though. I can make that distinction.
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Same thing happened with BLM protests. The moment a "protester" does something stupid then that's it, end of story, and that stupid act becomes more important than the actual reason why protests are taking place.
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542 moments including deaths of innocents. Very good
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See.
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As I said contrast that with the amount of people who took part peacefully. Why pick up the minute number of 542 if you’re not trying to draw focus away from legitimate peaceful protesters?
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All protests must control the actions of all protesters. All 16m of them. If they fail to do so that means the reason for protesting is moot.
Get it right saan.
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 21 minutes ago
Covid-19: Thousands set to jet overseas on holiday as rules ease https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57138371
“ Travellers will now be able to visit 12 countries on the government's green list, including Portugal and Israel, without isolating on their return.”
Erm
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I believe that we currently have a lower case rate countrywide than the UK does here. There are zero active reported cases in our (tiny) council area at present.
The problem is that many of the places with the highest case rates right in Portugal now are the exact same places that tourists are going to be flocking to: Albufeira (was held back when restrictions eased a couple of weeks ago), Portimao (biggest city in the Algarve with multiple resorts, *regressed* to phase one of lockdown measures and was completely shut down only a fortnight ago), Aljezur (big surf destination).
If any of those three places were countries in their own right, they wouldn’t be remotely close to the UK green list.
The worry here, on the other hand, is that we’ll import another new strain from the UK, this time the Indian variant.
It’s like saying there were 70 football matches took place over the weekend, with one hundred thousand fans attending and 52 people caused trouble, bloody football.
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comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
I won’t let it overshadow actual atrocities though. I can make that distinction.
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Same thing happened with BLM protests. The moment a "protester" does something stupid then that's it, end of story, and that stupid act becomes more important than the actual reason why protests are taking place.
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542 moments including deaths of innocents. Very good
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Contrast that with the millions (it was about 16m when fact check published last year, probably much more now) who peacefully protested. You understand why your focus on those who caused trouble comes across as undermining legitimate protest? Actually probably not.
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What was fact checked? Do you know what I’m talking about when I say 542?
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The figure of 16 million participants in BLM protests - fact checked on various sources, however I got it from the BBC.
You’re on about 542 ‘moments a protester does something stupid’ as mentioned initially by Mamba
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Yes as in 542 riots: violence, burning, looting, death & destruction out of 7700 total protests. So your figure is completely useless as a comparative, just like I thought.
What you seem to be misunderstanding is that I find it extremely odd that someone’s sole concern with what those gentlemen decided to call for was not the safety of the local citizens in London, not the continued conflation with the Israeli actions with “all Jews”, not the hateful spreading of this message encouraging other acts of anti-semitism on these shores (a Rabbi was also assaulted over the weekend, along with an incident in Manchester and a synagogue defaced with a swastika) but when the news came that they were arrested the sole relief that was mentioned, the sole relief, was that it wouldn’t further derail the protests. Not that these people are off our streets, not that less harm will come to Jews in London - just the protests.
If these disgusting people were shouting about any other group and it had nothing to do with Palestine & Israel, then it would be completely normal to worry about that. But because it is about Israel/Palestine, well we’ve got bigger things to worry about.
Why can’t people be relieved about the things I have listed AND the sanctity of the protests? Blinded by hatred. Are our hearts so limited that we can’t have compassions and concerns for both?
What those 4 people did was a disgrace and I lost count yesterday how many times it was played down by Palestinian supporters.
I wonder how the reaction would have been if it were a car of Jews driving through east London with Israeli flags calling for the murder of all Muslims and the rape of all Muslim women? Yeah, I don’t think that would have been downplayed.
Rosso
It was more a sly glance at Israel being on the green list given what’s going on over there at the mo. I know it’s Covid related and based but still, bit weird that the government would still send out the message it’s ok to travel there.
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
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comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
I won’t let it overshadow actual atrocities though. I can make that distinction.
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Same thing happened with BLM protests. The moment a "protester" does something stupid then that's it, end of story, and that stupid act becomes more important than the actual reason why protests are taking place.
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542 moments including deaths of innocents. Very good
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See.
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As I said contrast that with the amount of people who took part peacefully. Why pick up the minute number of 542 if you’re not trying to draw focus away from legitimate peaceful protesters?
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Your numbers are a mismatch for a start plus, I don’t see why (in this instance) you cannot have concerns about both.
It’s called nuance, not just black and white polarised, indoctrinated nonsense.
Sat Nav
“ not the continued conflation with the Israeli actions with “all Jews”
Not seen any of this on here or the Palestine thread. In fact people on here have been quite specific in saying the Israeli government and Zionists are responsible.
“ What those 4 people did was a disgrace and I lost count yesterday how many times it was played down by Palestinian supporters.”
Again not seen any of that on here so.....
“ I wonder how the reaction would have been if it were a car of Jews driving through east London with Israeli flags calling for the murder of all Muslims and the rape of all Muslim women? Yeah, I don’t think that would have been downplayed.”
Another straw man what if scenario that hasn’t happened that you want us to ponder. Why is that? It doesn’t strengthen your argument.
Sat Nav
“ If these disgusting people were shouting about any other group and it had nothing to do with Palestine & Israel, then it would be completely normal to worry about that. But because it is about Israel/Palestine, well we’ve got bigger things to worry about.”
Still misinterpreting RITH’s comment where he condemns them and says he’s glad they are going to be punished.
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comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
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I won’t let it overshadow actual atrocities though. I can make that distinction.
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Same thing happened with BLM protests. The moment a "protester" does something stupid then that's it, end of story, and that stupid act becomes more important than the actual reason why protests are taking place.
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542 moments including deaths of innocents. Very good
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See.
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As I said contrast that with the amount of people who took part peacefully. Why pick up the minute number of 542 if you’re not trying to draw focus away from legitimate peaceful protesters?
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Your numbers are a mismatch for a start plus, I don’t see why (in this instance) you cannot have concerns about both.
It’s called nuance, not just black and white polarised, indoctrinated nonsense.
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Of course it’s nuance
It’s not highlighting the minority of trouble makers to undermine legit protest based on whether you believe BLM protests should be going ahead or not.
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comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 7 minutes ago
Effectively supermarkets in Northern Ireland will be less cumbersome to serve via the EU.
It’s what the populous of Northern Ireland wanted anyway, the majority was in favour of being part of the EU so that means a higher velocity of a circular economy between Northern Ireland and Republic of Ireland.
Another microstep towards being practically reunited
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Dont know if you remember Johnson and Varadker having private chats in some country pile late last year, no officials just the two Premiers.
https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/2218/production/_109182780_b60b7b85-943d-4b70-91cd-56d78fb17e2d.jpg
I have a sneaky feeling that Johnson is in favour of reuniting Ireland, as does Cummings who was still in poat at that time, and that that was what they were chatting about, the political steps of how go about it.
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It's now about dealing with the problem child. Good job they chose Poots ffs 🤣
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 9 minutes ago
Rosso
It was more a sly glance at Israel being on the green list given what’s going on over there at the mo. I know it’s Covid related and based but still, bit weird that the government would still send out the message it’s ok to travel there.
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I think they call it ‘adventure tourism’ or similar...
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 4 minutes ago
Sat Nav
“ not the continued conflation with the Israeli actions with “all Jews”
Not seen any of this on here or the Palestine thread. In fact people on here have been quite specific in saying the Israeli government and Zionists are responsible.
“ What those 4 people did was a disgrace and I lost count yesterday how many times it was played down by Palestinian supporters.”
Again not seen any of that on here so.....
“ I wonder how the reaction would have been if it were a car of Jews driving through east London with Israeli flags calling for the murder of all Muslims and the rape of all Muslim women? Yeah, I don’t think that would have been downplayed.”
Another straw man what if scenario that hasn’t happened that you want us to ponder. Why is that? It doesn’t strengthen your argument.
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A s here begins the selective responses, ignoring the parts that you have no answer to, very good.
1. Conflation with all Jews - never limited it to here
2. People did downplay it on here, open your eyes. One user said ‘hurt London Jews’ feelings’
3. Just because it is hypothetical, doesn’t render it meaningless to a reasonable person. We all know full well that the reaction would have been much larger. Please see previous reactions for less-offensive actions if you want to see previous.
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 5 minutes ago
Sat Nav
“ If these disgusting people were shouting about any other group and it had nothing to do with Palestine & Israel, then it would be completely normal to worry about that. But because it is about Israel/Palestine, well we’ve got bigger things to worry about.”
Still misinterpreting RITH’s comment where he condemns them and says he’s glad they are going to be punished.
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And when the news came out that they were arrested l, his sole concern was the sanctity of the demonstrations. He even said that this was his main concern.
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posted 5 minutes ago
Crikey, even I have seen that RITH has condemned those people and said that he hopes they are dealt with by police and I have only been on here sporadically the last 24 hours.
This thread is going down the pan if we are just going down the route of people being determined to accuse opposing views of supporting atrocities or hate because they want to focus on different issues.
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Look over there 👀 so sad tbh
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comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
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comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 2 minutes ago
First concern would be what caused the demos in the first place.
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Your first concern about a disgusting incident on British soil calling for mass rape in response to the conflict in the Middle East and Israel’s actions, is the conflict in the Middle East and Israel’s actions?
That makes sense.
Personally I am happy that disgusting & dangerous people like that have been apprehended and dealt with by the law and I’m then glad it won’t ruin the genuine concerns over Israel’s actions.
You only seem to be bothered about the latter. Good to know
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My first concern is of the actual atrocities taking place.
As I said the person(s) shouting about rape diluted from the protest against those atrocities, namely the occupation of Palestine, and the treatment of Palestinians.
That being said, whoever shouted those obscene phrases from the car had any intention to do that? Who were they and what was their aim?
I’d let the police deal with that matter and keep the lens firmly on Israel’s actions.
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Yep. Like I said, that’s all you’re bothered about.
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So a bunch of yahoos shouting schit from a car is the same as murdering a couple of hundred people?
That's what I'm getting from your posts, SatNav.
Do you condemn the state of Israel for killing children?
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This is the impression I'm getting as well.
I'm wondering what's wrong with caring about the bloodshed in the middle east more than how people chose to protest about it?
Not to say that its not despicable what these idiots did but its not exactly insane, or anywhere near for that matter, to consider actual war and death of kids a greater priority.
Its Satty that has his priorities all wrong IMO.
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Try reading properly
posted on 17/5/21
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
I won’t let it overshadow actual atrocities though. I can make that distinction.
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Same thing happened with BLM protests. The moment a "protester" does something stupid then that's it, end of story, and that stupid act becomes more important than the actual reason why protests are taking place.
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542 moments including deaths of innocents. Very good
posted on 17/5/21
Effectively supermarkets in Northern Ireland will be less cumbersome to serve via the EU.
It’s what the populous of Northern Ireland wanted anyway, the majority was in favour of being part of the EU so that means a higher velocity of a circular economy between Northern Ireland and Republic of Ireland.
Another microstep towards being practically reunited
posted on 17/5/21
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
I won’t let it overshadow actual atrocities though. I can make that distinction.
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Same thing happened with BLM protests. The moment a "protester" does something stupid then that's it, end of story, and that stupid act becomes more important than the actual reason why protests are taking place.
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542 moments including deaths of innocents. Very good
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Contrast that with the millions (it was about 16m when fact check published last year, probably much more now) who peacefully protested. You understand why your focus on those who caused trouble comes across as undermining legitimate protest? Actually probably not.
posted on 17/5/21
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
I won’t let it overshadow actual atrocities though. I can make that distinction.
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Same thing happened with BLM protests. The moment a "protester" does something stupid then that's it, end of story, and that stupid act becomes more important than the actual reason why protests are taking place.
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542 moments including deaths of innocents. Very good
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Contrast that with the millions (it was about 16m when fact check published last year, probably much more now) who peacefully protested. You understand why your focus on those who caused trouble comes across as undermining legitimate protest? Actually probably not.
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What was fact checked? Do you know what I’m talking about when I say 542?
posted on 17/5/21
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
I won’t let it overshadow actual atrocities though. I can make that distinction.
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Same thing happened with BLM protests. The moment a "protester" does something stupid then that's it, end of story, and that stupid act becomes more important than the actual reason why protests are taking place.
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542 moments including deaths of innocents. Very good
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Contrast that with the millions (it was about 16m when fact check published last year, probably much more now) who peacefully protested. You understand why your focus on those who caused trouble comes across as undermining legitimate protest? Actually probably not.
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What was fact checked? Do you know what I’m talking about when I say 542?
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The figure of 16 million participants in BLM protests - fact checked on various sources, however I got it from the BBC.
You’re on about 542 ‘moments a protester does something stupid’ as mentioned initially by Mamba
posted on 17/5/21
comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 7 minutes ago
Effectively supermarkets in Northern Ireland will be less cumbersome to serve via the EU.
It’s what the populous of Northern Ireland wanted anyway, the majority was in favour of being part of the EU so that means a higher velocity of a circular economy between Northern Ireland and Republic of Ireland.
Another microstep towards being practically reunited
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Dont know if you remember Johnson and Varadker having private chats in some country pile late last year, no officials just the two Premiers.
https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/2218/production/_109182780_b60b7b85-943d-4b70-91cd-56d78fb17e2d.jpg
I have a sneaky feeling that Johnson is in favour of reuniting Ireland, as does Cummings who was still in poat at that time, and that that was what they were chatting about, the political steps of how go about it.
posted on 17/5/21
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
I won’t let it overshadow actual atrocities though. I can make that distinction.
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Same thing happened with BLM protests. The moment a "protester" does something stupid then that's it, end of story, and that stupid act becomes more important than the actual reason why protests are taking place.
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542 moments including deaths of innocents. Very good
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See.
posted on 17/5/21
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
I won’t let it overshadow actual atrocities though. I can make that distinction.
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Same thing happened with BLM protests. The moment a "protester" does something stupid then that's it, end of story, and that stupid act becomes more important than the actual reason why protests are taking place.
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542 moments including deaths of innocents. Very good
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See.
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As I said contrast that with the amount of people who took part peacefully. Why pick up the minute number of 542 if you’re not trying to draw focus away from legitimate peaceful protesters?
posted on 17/5/21
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comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
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I won’t let it overshadow actual atrocities though. I can make that distinction.
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Same thing happened with BLM protests. The moment a "protester" does something stupid then that's it, end of story, and that stupid act becomes more important than the actual reason why protests are taking place.
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542 moments including deaths of innocents. Very good
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Contrast that with the millions (it was about 16m when fact check published last year, probably much more now) who peacefully protested. You understand why your focus on those who caused trouble comes across as undermining legitimate protest? Actually probably not.
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What was fact checked? Do you know what I’m talking about when I say 542?
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The figure of 16 million participants in BLM protests - fact checked on various sources, however I got it from the BBC.
You’re on about 542 ‘moments a protester does something stupid’ as mentioned initially by Mamba
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posted on 17/5/21
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I won’t let it overshadow actual atrocities though. I can make that distinction.
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Same thing happened with BLM protests. The moment a "protester" does something stupid then that's it, end of story, and that stupid act becomes more important than the actual reason why protests are taking place.
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542 moments including deaths of innocents. Very good
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See.
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As I said contrast that with the amount of people who took part peacefully. Why pick up the minute number of 542 if you’re not trying to draw focus away from legitimate peaceful protesters?
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All protests must control the actions of all protesters. All 16m of them. If they fail to do so that means the reason for protesting is moot.
Get it right saan.
posted on 17/5/21
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
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Covid-19: Thousands set to jet overseas on holiday as rules ease https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57138371
“ Travellers will now be able to visit 12 countries on the government's green list, including Portugal and Israel, without isolating on their return.”
Erm
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I believe that we currently have a lower case rate countrywide than the UK does here. There are zero active reported cases in our (tiny) council area at present.
The problem is that many of the places with the highest case rates right in Portugal now are the exact same places that tourists are going to be flocking to: Albufeira (was held back when restrictions eased a couple of weeks ago), Portimao (biggest city in the Algarve with multiple resorts, *regressed* to phase one of lockdown measures and was completely shut down only a fortnight ago), Aljezur (big surf destination).
If any of those three places were countries in their own right, they wouldn’t be remotely close to the UK green list.
The worry here, on the other hand, is that we’ll import another new strain from the UK, this time the Indian variant.
posted on 17/5/21
It’s like saying there were 70 football matches took place over the weekend, with one hundred thousand fans attending and 52 people caused trouble, bloody football.
posted on 17/5/21
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I won’t let it overshadow actual atrocities though. I can make that distinction.
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Same thing happened with BLM protests. The moment a "protester" does something stupid then that's it, end of story, and that stupid act becomes more important than the actual reason why protests are taking place.
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542 moments including deaths of innocents. Very good
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Contrast that with the millions (it was about 16m when fact check published last year, probably much more now) who peacefully protested. You understand why your focus on those who caused trouble comes across as undermining legitimate protest? Actually probably not.
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What was fact checked? Do you know what I’m talking about when I say 542?
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The figure of 16 million participants in BLM protests - fact checked on various sources, however I got it from the BBC.
You’re on about 542 ‘moments a protester does something stupid’ as mentioned initially by Mamba
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Yes as in 542 riots: violence, burning, looting, death & destruction out of 7700 total protests. So your figure is completely useless as a comparative, just like I thought.
What you seem to be misunderstanding is that I find it extremely odd that someone’s sole concern with what those gentlemen decided to call for was not the safety of the local citizens in London, not the continued conflation with the Israeli actions with “all Jews”, not the hateful spreading of this message encouraging other acts of anti-semitism on these shores (a Rabbi was also assaulted over the weekend, along with an incident in Manchester and a synagogue defaced with a swastika) but when the news came that they were arrested the sole relief that was mentioned, the sole relief, was that it wouldn’t further derail the protests. Not that these people are off our streets, not that less harm will come to Jews in London - just the protests.
If these disgusting people were shouting about any other group and it had nothing to do with Palestine & Israel, then it would be completely normal to worry about that. But because it is about Israel/Palestine, well we’ve got bigger things to worry about.
Why can’t people be relieved about the things I have listed AND the sanctity of the protests? Blinded by hatred. Are our hearts so limited that we can’t have compassions and concerns for both?
What those 4 people did was a disgrace and I lost count yesterday how many times it was played down by Palestinian supporters.
I wonder how the reaction would have been if it were a car of Jews driving through east London with Israeli flags calling for the murder of all Muslims and the rape of all Muslim women? Yeah, I don’t think that would have been downplayed.
posted on 17/5/21
Rosso
It was more a sly glance at Israel being on the green list given what’s going on over there at the mo. I know it’s Covid related and based but still, bit weird that the government would still send out the message it’s ok to travel there.
posted on 17/5/21
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
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comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
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comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
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comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
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I won’t let it overshadow actual atrocities though. I can make that distinction.
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Same thing happened with BLM protests. The moment a "protester" does something stupid then that's it, end of story, and that stupid act becomes more important than the actual reason why protests are taking place.
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542 moments including deaths of innocents. Very good
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See.
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As I said contrast that with the amount of people who took part peacefully. Why pick up the minute number of 542 if you’re not trying to draw focus away from legitimate peaceful protesters?
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Your numbers are a mismatch for a start plus, I don’t see why (in this instance) you cannot have concerns about both.
It’s called nuance, not just black and white polarised, indoctrinated nonsense.
posted on 17/5/21
Sat Nav
“ not the continued conflation with the Israeli actions with “all Jews”
Not seen any of this on here or the Palestine thread. In fact people on here have been quite specific in saying the Israeli government and Zionists are responsible.
“ What those 4 people did was a disgrace and I lost count yesterday how many times it was played down by Palestinian supporters.”
Again not seen any of that on here so.....
“ I wonder how the reaction would have been if it were a car of Jews driving through east London with Israeli flags calling for the murder of all Muslims and the rape of all Muslim women? Yeah, I don’t think that would have been downplayed.”
Another straw man what if scenario that hasn’t happened that you want us to ponder. Why is that? It doesn’t strengthen your argument.
posted on 17/5/21
Sat Nav
“ If these disgusting people were shouting about any other group and it had nothing to do with Palestine & Israel, then it would be completely normal to worry about that. But because it is about Israel/Palestine, well we’ve got bigger things to worry about.”
Still misinterpreting RITH’s comment where he condemns them and says he’s glad they are going to be punished.
posted on 17/5/21
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comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
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I won’t let it overshadow actual atrocities though. I can make that distinction.
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Same thing happened with BLM protests. The moment a "protester" does something stupid then that's it, end of story, and that stupid act becomes more important than the actual reason why protests are taking place.
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542 moments including deaths of innocents. Very good
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See.
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As I said contrast that with the amount of people who took part peacefully. Why pick up the minute number of 542 if you’re not trying to draw focus away from legitimate peaceful protesters?
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Your numbers are a mismatch for a start plus, I don’t see why (in this instance) you cannot have concerns about both.
It’s called nuance, not just black and white polarised, indoctrinated nonsense.
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Of course it’s nuance
It’s not highlighting the minority of trouble makers to undermine legit protest based on whether you believe BLM protests should be going ahead or not.
posted on 17/5/21
comment by Hector (U3606)
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comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
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Effectively supermarkets in Northern Ireland will be less cumbersome to serve via the EU.
It’s what the populous of Northern Ireland wanted anyway, the majority was in favour of being part of the EU so that means a higher velocity of a circular economy between Northern Ireland and Republic of Ireland.
Another microstep towards being practically reunited
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Dont know if you remember Johnson and Varadker having private chats in some country pile late last year, no officials just the two Premiers.
https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/2218/production/_109182780_b60b7b85-943d-4b70-91cd-56d78fb17e2d.jpg
I have a sneaky feeling that Johnson is in favour of reuniting Ireland, as does Cummings who was still in poat at that time, and that that was what they were chatting about, the political steps of how go about it.
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It's now about dealing with the problem child. Good job they chose Poots ffs 🤣
posted on 17/5/21
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 9 minutes ago
Rosso
It was more a sly glance at Israel being on the green list given what’s going on over there at the mo. I know it’s Covid related and based but still, bit weird that the government would still send out the message it’s ok to travel there.
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I think they call it ‘adventure tourism’ or similar...
posted on 17/5/21
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 4 minutes ago
Sat Nav
“ not the continued conflation with the Israeli actions with “all Jews”
Not seen any of this on here or the Palestine thread. In fact people on here have been quite specific in saying the Israeli government and Zionists are responsible.
“ What those 4 people did was a disgrace and I lost count yesterday how many times it was played down by Palestinian supporters.”
Again not seen any of that on here so.....
“ I wonder how the reaction would have been if it were a car of Jews driving through east London with Israeli flags calling for the murder of all Muslims and the rape of all Muslim women? Yeah, I don’t think that would have been downplayed.”
Another straw man what if scenario that hasn’t happened that you want us to ponder. Why is that? It doesn’t strengthen your argument.
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A s here begins the selective responses, ignoring the parts that you have no answer to, very good.
1. Conflation with all Jews - never limited it to here
2. People did downplay it on here, open your eyes. One user said ‘hurt London Jews’ feelings’
3. Just because it is hypothetical, doesn’t render it meaningless to a reasonable person. We all know full well that the reaction would have been much larger. Please see previous reactions for less-offensive actions if you want to see previous.
posted on 17/5/21
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 5 minutes ago
Sat Nav
“ If these disgusting people were shouting about any other group and it had nothing to do with Palestine & Israel, then it would be completely normal to worry about that. But because it is about Israel/Palestine, well we’ve got bigger things to worry about.”
Still misinterpreting RITH’s comment where he condemns them and says he’s glad they are going to be punished.
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And when the news came out that they were arrested l, his sole concern was the sanctity of the demonstrations. He even said that this was his main concern.
posted on 17/5/21
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 5 minutes ago
Crikey, even I have seen that RITH has condemned those people and said that he hopes they are dealt with by police and I have only been on here sporadically the last 24 hours.
This thread is going down the pan if we are just going down the route of people being determined to accuse opposing views of supporting atrocities or hate because they want to focus on different issues.
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Look over there 👀 so sad tbh
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