comment by Michael Edwards FC 2.0 loading…{Proud owner of the 5 000 000th comment} (U2720)
posted 3 minutes ago
"shouldn’t have been hard to work that out."

I think you forgot you dealing with Superb here...you need to type slowly
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Fair point.

No, I’m saying box office means fack all (sorry String) and gave you an example of why, shouldn’t have been hard to work that out.
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And yet you picked a movie that most people don't particularly like much and that totally piggybacked off the success of Infinity War and Endgame at the height of the MCU's popularity. So what's your point exactly? Are you saying that Captain Marvel would still have done a billion if it was a completely unrelated standalone Sonyverse movie ? Nobody gives a fook about that movie and it's totally undeserved box office is easily explained.

My original point was simply that Joker is a loved, classic that made a billion dollars on a fifty million dollar budget but that also has very good user reviews across the board and was generally very well received by people. That it made a billion is obviously a bonus but not integral to my point.

You said that Joker isn't a classic, loved movie so I'd like to know why you think it isn't as so far you haven't done that.

comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 12 hours, 12 minutes ago
Of course Joker is a classic, loved movie. Over 1 billion made at the box office, 8.4/10 IMDb score and 89% user score on RT.
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65 percent from critics lol

comment by NPE - Maresca's Minions (U22712)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 12 hours, 12 minutes ago
Of course Joker is a classic, loved movie. Over 1 billion made at the box office, 8.4/10 IMDb score and 89% user score on RT.
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65 percent from critics lol
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To avoid confusion: I didn't rate Joker at all - thought it was empty and a rip off of Scorsese and Lumet movies. But I do enjoy the critics v fan disconnect

I also think the word "classic" should be reserved for movies that are at least 20 years old.

critics

The budget is so high because the combined salaries of Phillips, Phoenix and Gaga are reportedly $70m.

Unlike some users on here, I really like musicals if they are good, but I want to go to a musical knowing it's a musical with an audience that wants to see a musical.

It's really stupid to push musicals on people who don't care for them.

If Joker was a rip off of Taxi Driver, this should have been like Heat or Bonnie and Clyde with Lady Gaga - something fans would want to see. Instead looks like some weird musical set in a courthouse...err

Then what do you mean by ‘shiiiiitting on the original’? I’m obviously being hyperbolic, but you said this, which would means you think people would think differently about it if the sequel is crap. In what way would people think differently, seeing as you made the claim here:

"Making a billion might have been the worst thing that could have happened to Joker as instead of being remembered as a standalone classic it might now be remembered differently.

I have the same concerns about Gladiator 2.”

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What I meant when I said about shltting on the original doesn't mean that it will change peoples' minds about it as an individual movie. I mean that it throws unnecessary shade on it. The world shown to us in Gladiator didn't need revisiting, it was a near perfect movie that was fully concluded by the end and should have been left well alone.

If Gladiator 2 is awful then it detracts from the legacy of the first movie (not the movie itself) as it's now forever associated with a terrible movie whether it wants to be or not. It doesn't mean that people think any less of Gladiator 1 itself but that completely unnecessary association with a terrible movie would always be there.

Fairly simple point really.

What I liked about the first movie was it opened & closed with him speaking to a psychiatrist(I think?) and there were subtle differences in both the scenes hinting that everything could've all just happened in his head...which fit the whole tone of mental health issues in the movie. There were hints throughout the movie about what was actually real and what was imagined by Arthur.

A sequel actually obliterates all of that though so what do I know

But to then shift to a musical...fack knows what they were thinking.

comment by Taki Minamino (U20650)
posted 13 minutes ago
critics
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I haven't taken too much notice of critics since they said The Last Jedi was a masterpiece

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_wars_the_last_jedi

91% critic score

pathetic

comment by Michael Edwards FC 2.0 loading…{Proud o... (U2720)
posted 16 minutes ago
What I liked about the first movie was it opened & closed with him speaking to a psychiatrist(I think?) and there were subtle differences in both the scenes hinting that everything could've all just happened in his head...which fit the whole tone of mental health issues in the movie. There were hints throughout the movie about what was actually real and what was imagined by Arthur.

A sequel actually obliterates all of that though so what do I know

But to then shift to a musical...fack knows what they were thinking.
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Exactly, Edwards proving he isn't just a pretty face. Any continuation of the story from the end of the movie is unwarranted. Todd Phillips even originally said that the movie was a self contained character study and that a sequel wasn't going to happen lol.

Obviously that all changed when they kept adding zeros to his and Joaquin's paycheck.

Superb, I’m saying that using box office to support the argument that something is a classic is stupid because box office doesn’t mean anything in the grand scheme of things.

Also agree with NPE about using the term ‘classic’.

Okay, we’ve finally got to the point where you’ve clarified what you meant about people thinking differently about Gladiator. But I addressed that already when I compared it with The Godfather, a much more apt comparison than Joker.

I’ll leave it at that.

Who's out here calling Joker a classic??

comment by Michael Edwards FC 2.0 loading…{Proud owner of the 5 000 000th comment} (U2720)
posted 10 minutes ago
Who's out here calling Joker a classic??
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Superb, imdb, RT and the Bore.

Ay ay ay...you dare doubt the BORE

Superb, I’m saying that using box office to support the argument that something is a classic is stupid because box office doesn’t mean anything in the grand scheme of things.
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That's fine but I've now repeated more than once that I wasn't judging the success of the movie on box office alone. I was also judging it on it's general reception which was very good including it's very positive user reviews. Unless you're suggesting there's a better way of gauging public opinion on a movie ? I'm all ears.

One of my reasons for bringing up it's billion dollar box office is that it was made on only 50 million dollars and live action movies on that kind of budget aren't really meant to make a billy, making it quite unique in that regard and worthy of respect for that alone.

comment by Joshua The King Of Kings Zirkzee (U10026)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Michael Edwards FC 2.0 loading…{Proud owner of the 5 000 000th comment} (U2720)
posted 10 minutes ago
Who's out here calling Joker a classic??
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Superb, imdb, RT and the Bore.
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So what other criteria do you have that trumps user reviews and how many people paid money to watch a movie when gauging public opinion of it ? Do you ask your cat ?

I use the dictionary to understand words.

Use it, might help you answer my question

I forgot Darren needs a dictionary to understand words like criteria. My bad fams

Speaking of fams is Pun still alive ? Hasn't been seen for three days. Hopefully Joker Folie a Deux didn't push him over the edge

comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 4 hours, 11 minutes ago
Then what do you mean by ‘shiiiiitting on the original’? I’m obviously being hyperbolic, but you said this, which would means you think people would think differently about it if the sequel is crap. In what way would people think differently, seeing as you made the claim here:

"Making a billion might have been the worst thing that could have happened to Joker as instead of being remembered as a standalone classic it might now be remembered differently.

I have the same concerns about Gladiator 2.”

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What I meant when I said about shltting on the original doesn't mean that it will change peoples' minds about it as an individual movie. I mean that it throws unnecessary shade on it. The world shown to us in Gladiator didn't need revisiting, it was a near perfect movie that was fully concluded by the end and should have been left well alone.

If Gladiator 2 is awful then it detracts from the legacy of the first movie (not the movie itself) as it's now forever associated with a terrible movie whether it wants to be or not. It doesn't mean that people think any less of Gladiator 1 itself but that completely unnecessary association with a terrible movie would always be there.

Fairly simple point really.
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I mean off the top of my head: The Exorcist, Jaws, Chinatown, Ghostbusters, Gremlins, Grease, Speed, Jurassic Park, Blair Witch Project and Donnie Darko all have really bad sequels but no one thinks they detract from the first movie.

Star Wars famously has underwhelming sequels and people still regularly cite the original trilogy as the best trilogy of all time etc etc

This

comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 17 minutes ago
I forgot Darren needs a dictionary to understand words like criteria. My bad fams
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Ive gotta spare dictionury if anybidu once it

Still in plastic rap