comment by VOF - FORZA Leeds ..........! (U17124)
posted 1 hour, 27 minutes ago
Whereas Derby are well, Direby.
Clough summed it up; He said all the honours and medals etc should be thrown in the dustbin since they were all won by cheating.
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This from a manager who signed and lauded the first professional diver in football. Trevor Francis.
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I think Allan Clarke was diving before Francis.
comment by lastapostleofvidal (U1491)
posted 30 minutes ago
"Still the team everyone loves to hate, speaks volumes in my opinion. Year on year we remain one of the better supported teams in football."
Over the past ten seasons Derby have averaged around 2,500 more per home league game than Leeds. The city of Leeds has a population of around 780,000, more than 3 times the size of Derby, and more than the entire population of Derbyshire. The Leeds City Region has a population of around 3 million by contrast. Leeds ought therefore to be averaging at least 3 times more per game than Derby, yet in fact fewer people go to watch Leeds than Derby.
As random examples, Carlisle and Shrewsbury have a population of about 70,000 and their average home attendance over the past few years has been around 5,000. That's in tier 3 and 4 of football but still a far higher proportion of their population watch their local team than is the case in Leeds.
Is there a worse supported team than Leeds anywhere in this country?
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Yes, most of the English teams I would suggest....
Can you give an example of any, Stevie Dee? A club that has a smaller proportion of its population going to watch its local team?
comment by VC10Ram (U18980)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by VOF - FORZA Leeds ..........! (U17124)
posted 1 hour, 27 minutes ago
Whereas Derby are well, Direby.
Clough summed it up; He said all the honours and medals etc should be thrown in the dustbin since they were all won by cheating.
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This from a manager who signed and lauded the first professional diver in football. Trevor Francis.
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I think Allan Clarke was diving before Francis.
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An independent view of an all time top divers. No mention of Clarke, not surprisingly as he didn’t have a rep for it... but number 6, all time franny lee. Star of the ‘75 derby team and signed by Dave McKay who didn’t like professionalism apparently.
http://www.goal.com/en/news/2377/top-10/2010/10/26/2184236/video-special-top-10-divers-of-all-time
That’s a world list by the way... top ranking English player. Must feel good to top a list for something.
If he could fall into bed as good you could take the "r" out of his name!..
Remember he was good at it!..
I don't need to give any examples, the figures are out there. I note you've gone from worst supported team in the country to local support levels.
Leeds United has a large worldwide following and indeed significant local and national support. You only have to look on here at the support that the Leeds pages gets......
It is what it is my friend.
comment by lastapostleofvidal (U1491)
posted 2 hours, 58 minutes ago
"Still the team everyone loves to hate, speaks volumes in my opinion. Year on year we remain one of the better supported teams in football."
Over the past ten seasons Derby have averaged around 2,500 more per home league game than Leeds. The city of Leeds has a population of around 780,000, more than 3 times the size of Derby, and more than the entire population of Derbyshire. The Leeds City Region has a population of around 3 million by contrast. Leeds ought therefore to be averaging at least 3 times more per game than Derby, yet in fact fewer people go to watch Leeds than Derby.
As random examples, Carlisle and Shrewsbury have a population of about 70,000 and their average home attendance over the past few years has been around 5,000. That's in tier 3 and 4 of football but still a far higher proportion of their population watch their local team than is the case in Leeds.
Is there a worse supported team than Leeds anywhere in this country?
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Love it!
But I think you've lost them with the math, a bit like Peter Ridsdale
Haha, I'm impressed with the lengths you go to put forward a flawed argument.
Your theory, if we can generously call it that, doesn't take into consideration the dynamics of modern day life.
The UK population is more mobile today than ever before. To make it more simple for the mathematicians of Derby, not everyone born in Leeds lives in Leeds.
Taking that simple concept one step further (still with me?) Leeds is one of the fastest growing cities in the country. That doesn't necessarily mean that the good citizens of the centre of the Universe are breeding like rabbits, it means that significant numbers of people are moving there.
Not everyone living in Leeds was born in Leeds. Wow, startling stuff but factual.
Your "theory" suggests John Doe from London, a Chelsea fan, moves to Leeds for work reasons. Once ensconced in the fair city, he must change his allegiance to the Mighty Whites. (Actually not a bad idea, makes sense.......)
You can also factor in the power of the media. Without wanting to be rude to people of a certain age, access to football via Sky and t'internet has its effect on more recent generations who typically follow the glory boys rather than local teams. Again, fact.
Leeds United has significant local, national and international support. To suggest otherwise would suggest you need more maths lessons and possibly medical assistance.
I'm pleased your ramblings excite your comrades, poor little mites that don't have much else to look forward to.
You could always move to Leeds and change your allegiance of course......
So, you appear to be arguing that Leeds FC has access now to much bigger potential fan base. Doesn't that reinforce Vidal's thesis that LFC is generally less attracting of fans than more worthy and sportsmanlike teams from smaller cities? Such as Derby for example.
If that's what you want to derive from that, that's fine by me. Clearly too much information for you to digest.
I love a good wind up as next as the next derby fan. However, Leeds are a sleeping giant and if they somehow miraculously managed to get back into the premiership, goven that they are a one city team, I have no doubt that their home attendances would be upwards of 38k for most matches and more for teams such as man utd.
comment by Stevie Dee (U10061)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
If that's what you want to derive from that, that's fine by me. Clearly too much information for you to digest.
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Well! doesn't every unbiased person derive such a conclusion? And as for Kstander and his claim that if they were a better team they would have more fans? Isn't that the exact point of Vidal's comments?
No. And I think that logic could be applied to any side not just Leeds United. Methinks you change your position too much to support your theory.
We have greater support than Derby County so I'm struggling to see a point here.
My missus reckons Derby has more locally based support because not many people choose to move to a shi ite place like Derby and the Derbyshire-born aren't particularly welcome in other towns and cities due to the impact they have on initiatives such as care in the community. She's a social worker so I guess she'd know......
Well, it’s a simple fact that Derby has had bigger attendances than Leeds for the last ten years, and it’s a simple fact that Leeds has a far greater population than Derby and that this has always been the case. Far more people have been born in Leeds than Derby. Leeds has a far larger population to draw from for its support, yet fewer actually go to games. So the only logical inference is that people born in Leeds or who live in Leeds are less keen to go to watch their team than their equivalent in Derby. Leeds’ support is therefore far, far poorer than virtually any other club you care to mention in terms of the proportion born there or living there who go to watch.
These are simple facts. If Leeds were promoted and the attendances magically improved then I guess that would indicate that their fans are a fickle bunch of glory hunters.
Well it's nice to see you lot getting on so well
I repeat Vidal's support figures. Absolute numbers - not relative numbers. They say it all really. But I can see that LUFC have more nastily partisan fans in my experience. However this is boring so I for one will not take part any further, except to say - Well done! Vidal.
Over the past ten seasons Derby have averaged around 2,500 more per home league game than Leeds. The city of Leeds has a population of around 780,000, more than 3 times the size of Derby, and more than the entire population of Derbyshire. The Leeds City Region has a population of around 3 million by contrast. Leeds ought therefore to be averaging at least 3 times more per game than Derby, yet in fact fewer people go to watch Leeds than Derby.
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posted on 20/7/18
comment by VOF - FORZA Leeds ..........! (U17124)
posted 1 hour, 27 minutes ago
Whereas Derby are well, Direby.
Clough summed it up; He said all the honours and medals etc should be thrown in the dustbin since they were all won by cheating.
--------------------------------------
This from a manager who signed and lauded the first professional diver in football. Trevor Francis.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think Allan Clarke was diving before Francis.
posted on 20/7/18
comment by lastapostleofvidal (U1491)
posted 30 minutes ago
"Still the team everyone loves to hate, speaks volumes in my opinion. Year on year we remain one of the better supported teams in football."
Over the past ten seasons Derby have averaged around 2,500 more per home league game than Leeds. The city of Leeds has a population of around 780,000, more than 3 times the size of Derby, and more than the entire population of Derbyshire. The Leeds City Region has a population of around 3 million by contrast. Leeds ought therefore to be averaging at least 3 times more per game than Derby, yet in fact fewer people go to watch Leeds than Derby.
As random examples, Carlisle and Shrewsbury have a population of about 70,000 and their average home attendance over the past few years has been around 5,000. That's in tier 3 and 4 of football but still a far higher proportion of their population watch their local team than is the case in Leeds.
Is there a worse supported team than Leeds anywhere in this country?
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Yes, most of the English teams I would suggest....
posted on 20/7/18
Can you give an example of any, Stevie Dee? A club that has a smaller proportion of its population going to watch its local team?
posted on 20/7/18
comment by VC10Ram (U18980)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by VOF - FORZA Leeds ..........! (U17124)
posted 1 hour, 27 minutes ago
Whereas Derby are well, Direby.
Clough summed it up; He said all the honours and medals etc should be thrown in the dustbin since they were all won by cheating.
--------------------------------------
This from a manager who signed and lauded the first professional diver in football. Trevor Francis.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think Allan Clarke was diving before Francis.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
An independent view of an all time top divers. No mention of Clarke, not surprisingly as he didn’t have a rep for it... but number 6, all time franny lee. Star of the ‘75 derby team and signed by Dave McKay who didn’t like professionalism apparently.
http://www.goal.com/en/news/2377/top-10/2010/10/26/2184236/video-special-top-10-divers-of-all-time
posted on 20/7/18
That’s a world list by the way... top ranking English player. Must feel good to top a list for something.
posted on 20/7/18
If he could fall into bed as good you could take the "r" out of his name!..
Remember he was good at it!..
posted on 20/7/18
I don't need to give any examples, the figures are out there. I note you've gone from worst supported team in the country to local support levels.
Leeds United has a large worldwide following and indeed significant local and national support. You only have to look on here at the support that the Leeds pages gets......
It is what it is my friend.
posted on 20/7/18
comment by lastapostleofvidal (U1491)
posted 2 hours, 58 minutes ago
"Still the team everyone loves to hate, speaks volumes in my opinion. Year on year we remain one of the better supported teams in football."
Over the past ten seasons Derby have averaged around 2,500 more per home league game than Leeds. The city of Leeds has a population of around 780,000, more than 3 times the size of Derby, and more than the entire population of Derbyshire. The Leeds City Region has a population of around 3 million by contrast. Leeds ought therefore to be averaging at least 3 times more per game than Derby, yet in fact fewer people go to watch Leeds than Derby.
As random examples, Carlisle and Shrewsbury have a population of about 70,000 and their average home attendance over the past few years has been around 5,000. That's in tier 3 and 4 of football but still a far higher proportion of their population watch their local team than is the case in Leeds.
Is there a worse supported team than Leeds anywhere in this country?
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Love it!
But I think you've lost them with the math, a bit like Peter Ridsdale
posted on 21/7/18
Haha, I'm impressed with the lengths you go to put forward a flawed argument.
Your theory, if we can generously call it that, doesn't take into consideration the dynamics of modern day life.
The UK population is more mobile today than ever before. To make it more simple for the mathematicians of Derby, not everyone born in Leeds lives in Leeds.
Taking that simple concept one step further (still with me?) Leeds is one of the fastest growing cities in the country. That doesn't necessarily mean that the good citizens of the centre of the Universe are breeding like rabbits, it means that significant numbers of people are moving there.
Not everyone living in Leeds was born in Leeds. Wow, startling stuff but factual.
Your "theory" suggests John Doe from London, a Chelsea fan, moves to Leeds for work reasons. Once ensconced in the fair city, he must change his allegiance to the Mighty Whites. (Actually not a bad idea, makes sense.......)
You can also factor in the power of the media. Without wanting to be rude to people of a certain age, access to football via Sky and t'internet has its effect on more recent generations who typically follow the glory boys rather than local teams. Again, fact.
Leeds United has significant local, national and international support. To suggest otherwise would suggest you need more maths lessons and possibly medical assistance.
I'm pleased your ramblings excite your comrades, poor little mites that don't have much else to look forward to.
You could always move to Leeds and change your allegiance of course......
posted on 21/7/18
So, you appear to be arguing that Leeds FC has access now to much bigger potential fan base. Doesn't that reinforce Vidal's thesis that LFC is generally less attracting of fans than more worthy and sportsmanlike teams from smaller cities? Such as Derby for example.
posted on 21/7/18
If that's what you want to derive from that, that's fine by me. Clearly too much information for you to digest.
posted on 21/7/18
I love a good wind up as next as the next derby fan. However, Leeds are a sleeping giant and if they somehow miraculously managed to get back into the premiership, goven that they are a one city team, I have no doubt that their home attendances would be upwards of 38k for most matches and more for teams such as man utd.
posted on 21/7/18
posted on 21/7/18
comment by Stevie Dee (U10061)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
If that's what you want to derive from that, that's fine by me. Clearly too much information for you to digest.
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Well! doesn't every unbiased person derive such a conclusion? And as for Kstander and his claim that if they were a better team they would have more fans? Isn't that the exact point of Vidal's comments?
posted on 21/7/18
No. And I think that logic could be applied to any side not just Leeds United. Methinks you change your position too much to support your theory.
We have greater support than Derby County so I'm struggling to see a point here.
My missus reckons Derby has more locally based support because not many people choose to move to a shi ite place like Derby and the Derbyshire-born aren't particularly welcome in other towns and cities due to the impact they have on initiatives such as care in the community. She's a social worker so I guess she'd know......
posted on 21/7/18
Well, it’s a simple fact that Derby has had bigger attendances than Leeds for the last ten years, and it’s a simple fact that Leeds has a far greater population than Derby and that this has always been the case. Far more people have been born in Leeds than Derby. Leeds has a far larger population to draw from for its support, yet fewer actually go to games. So the only logical inference is that people born in Leeds or who live in Leeds are less keen to go to watch their team than their equivalent in Derby. Leeds’ support is therefore far, far poorer than virtually any other club you care to mention in terms of the proportion born there or living there who go to watch.
These are simple facts. If Leeds were promoted and the attendances magically improved then I guess that would indicate that their fans are a fickle bunch of glory hunters.
posted on 21/7/18
Well it's nice to see you lot getting on so well
posted on 21/7/18
I repeat Vidal's support figures. Absolute numbers - not relative numbers. They say it all really. But I can see that LUFC have more nastily partisan fans in my experience. However this is boring so I for one will not take part any further, except to say - Well done! Vidal.
posted on 21/7/18
Over the past ten seasons Derby have averaged around 2,500 more per home league game than Leeds. The city of Leeds has a population of around 780,000, more than 3 times the size of Derby, and more than the entire population of Derbyshire. The Leeds City Region has a population of around 3 million by contrast. Leeds ought therefore to be averaging at least 3 times more per game than Derby, yet in fact fewer people go to watch Leeds than Derby.
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