comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 10 minutes ago
Which is exactly why people talk about a second referendum - but apparently that is anti-democratic.
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And if the result is the same then what ? A 3rd referendum? Or maybe a 4th or 5th? Maybe eventually you will get the result you want. Absolute ridiculous to even suggest a 2nd referendum. What the hell will that achieve? The referendum was already granted and more people voted out in a democratic vote, end of story.
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by THudd IIII (U1029)
posted 2 minutes ago
I wanted to leave yes, can't deny that.
But the people have been screwed over by this inept government and it's clear they're unable to leave the EU with a deal that suits all parties, so either we leave no deal and do what we can or the sensible decision is to revoke.
I can't see any MP support a revoke of article 50, given that their constituents voted to leave (in most parts) they'd be slaughtered.
Is no deal better than a deal? at the moment yes
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Your comment went so well until the last sentence. It looked like a leave voter with sense who saw he wasnt getting what he thought he was getting when he voted and wanted to go back on it. No deal is not better than anything, it is the worst situation.
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I meant in the sense of no deal compared to this disaster at the moment
Obviously revoke is the sensible decision, but if that's not achievable then the options are limited.
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 10 minutes ago
Which is exactly why people talk about a second referendum - but apparently that is anti-democratic.
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And if the result is the same then what ? A 3rd referendum? Or maybe a 4th or 5th? Maybe eventually you will get the result you want. Absolute ridiculous to even suggest a 2nd referendum. What the hell will that achieve? The referendum was already granted and more people voted out in a democratic vote, end of story.
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Most people know far more about what the EU and Berexit is all about now than they did 3 years ago - I don't see what's wrong with a second vote now. And nor did such leave luminaries as Rees-Mogg and Farage.
Some people have stuck to their guns, some have not, I see no harm in testing the waters again regardless. If it comes out the same result - so be it.
To be honest, the only people dead set against another vote and those who fear losing it - you know it, I know it.
I'd rather we proceed with the more informed electorate we have now, with the realities on the table more clear.
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 1 hour, 58 minutes ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 6 minutes ago
Those who wish to stay. Come on over and live with us. We’re sound lads
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Ok. Can I have the post code for the SatNav?
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Dublin 1
One of the first books I read on Brexit was Ian Dunt’s “Brexit: What the Hell Happens Now” shortly after the refdm in 2016.
The first chapter sets out the apocalypse that he believed would ensue in the event of a no-deal. At the time I thought it was a bit sensationalist to be honest. And was a bit sceptical.
From what I have seen and read since, (both from the public and private sector) IMO it’s pretty much (aside from a few technicalities) spot on.
This extract worth a read for anyone interested:
https://www.open-britain.co.uk/the_brexit_cliff_edge_by_ian_dunt
Just revoke the faaacking thing and move on
Absolute shambles that you could see coming from a mile away
Should be '...are those who fear login it', obviously. Not sure why I keep writing 'and' intead of 'are'. Probably some sort of degenerative thing.
FFFFFF-ck. "losing it", not "login it". Stupid kunting fingers.
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 2 minutes ago
Just revoke the faaacking thing and move on
Absolute shambles that you could see coming from a mile away
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Don Tottenham is ignoring all comments with firm arguments and sources that the UK will be worse off. Its like a McCann thread where people deliberately refuse to listen to sense and stick to their opinion even if proof hit them in the face with a cement truck.
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 5 minutes ago
FFFFFF-ck. "losing it", not "login it". Stupid kunting fingers.
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/article-50-petition-revoke-brexit-delay-theresa-may-deal-a8833681.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1553180078
One Million.
Regardless of the outcome I'm not sure how as a society we move on from this divisiveness, the level of vitriol in politics at the minute is awful.
Cameron opened up Pandora's box
comment by 🇪🇺Sonny Sn❄️wflake🇪🇺 (U21889)
posted 1 minute ago
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/article-50-petition-revoke-brexit-delay-theresa-may-deal-a8833681.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1553180078
One Million.
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"Despite record-breaking interest in the petition over the past 24 hours, senior government figures have already moved to dismiss its importance."
Standard.
A million people get off their arris, get on a train, spend their own hard earned cash and hours of their time, to protest a war - ignored.
No chance an online tick box competition gets a look in.
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 1 minute ago
Regardless of the outcome I'm not sure how as a society we move on from this divisiveness, the level of vitriol in politics at the minute is awful.
Cameron opened up Pandora's box
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Agree. And (assuming WA passes) this is just the very beginning. The 'divorce'
The future relationship (when the UK is a third country and will be treated as such) will be much more complicated and fraught.
Excited for the second referendum.
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 10 minutes ago
Which is exactly why people talk about a second referendum - but apparently that is anti-democratic.
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And if the result is the same then what ? A 3rd referendum? Or maybe a 4th or 5th? Maybe eventually you will get the result you want. Absolute ridiculous to even suggest a 2nd referendum. What the hell will that achieve? The referendum was already granted and more people voted out in a democratic vote, end of story.
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It's not ridiculous at all. Many people feel they we duped into voting to leave by the lies they were told, including but certainly not limited to the bus,.
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 10 minutes ago
Which is exactly why people talk about a second referendum - but apparently that is anti-democratic.
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And if the result is the same then what ? A 3rd referendum? Or maybe a 4th or 5th? Maybe eventually you will get the result you want. Absolute ridiculous to even suggest a 2nd referendum. What the hell will that achieve? The referendum was already granted and more people voted out in a democratic vote, end of story.
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It's not ridiculous at all. Many people feel they we duped into voting to leave by the lies they were told, including but certainly not limited to the bus,.
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The original referendum should've always been exploratoy to see if there was enough will to leave the EU with a second vote on the deal presented always on the cards.
What I do not quite get, is we are constantly being told that more than 17 million voted to Leave. By my count though I think the population of the country is now approaching 67 million. So that means one way or another 50 million did not vote to leave.
When the extreme Brexiteers scream, well 17 million voted to Leave, are they ignoring the 50 million of the population that didn`t.
I never quite got why foreign nationals who pay their taxes, live in the country, settled in the country never got to have a vote? Yet quite a lot who did get a vote are now six foot or more under two or three years after the vote. Somebody explain please.
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 12 minutes ago
What I do not quite get, is we are constantly being told that more than 17 million voted to Leave. By my count though I think the population of the country is now approaching 67 million. So that means one way or another 50 million did not vote to leave.
When the extreme Brexiteers scream, well 17 million voted to Leave, are they ignoring the 50 million of the population that didn`t.
I never quite got why foreign nationals who pay their taxes, live in the country, settled in the country never got to have a vote? Yet quite a lot who did get a vote are now six foot or more under two or three years after the vote. Somebody explain please.
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Sandy,
You'll struggle to find one election, or even one vote in history, where more than half of the population voted. Brexit had one of if not the biggest UK turnout ever, so I don't think you can really play that card on this one.
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 12 minutes ago
What I do not quite get, is we are constantly being told that more than 17 million voted to Leave. By my count though I think the population of the country is now approaching 67 million. So that means one way or another 50 million did not vote to leave.
When the extreme Brexiteers scream, well 17 million voted to Leave, are they ignoring the 50 million of the population that didn`t.
I never quite got why foreign nationals who pay their taxes, live in the country, settled in the country never got to have a vote? Yet quite a lot who did get a vote are now six foot or more under two or three years after the vote. Somebody explain please.
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Sandy,
You'll struggle to find one election, or even one vote in history, where more than half of the population voted. Brexit had one of if not the biggest UK turnout ever, so I don't think you can really play that card on this one.
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Agreed, but in an election you get another chance five years later maximum. This vote was a once in a lifetime chance or so we were told. So you get why having just a one off binary vote was a load of nonsense really. At the very least it should have been a 60/40 vote one way or the other. 52/48 is far too close for the Leavers to say we won, and ignore the 16 million or so on the other side. And then if a deal was agreed, it should then have been put to the people to ratify it finally. Now that would be proper democracy.
Leaving on a simple Yes or No was never going to be simple, no matter how the politicians spinned it.
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 10 minutes ago
Which is exactly why people talk about a second referendum - but apparently that is anti-democratic.
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And if the result is the same then what ? A 3rd referendum? Or maybe a 4th or 5th? Maybe eventually you will get the result you want. Absolute ridiculous to even suggest a 2nd referendum. What the hell will that achieve? The referendum was already granted and more people voted out in a democratic vote, end of story.
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It's not ridiculous at all. Many people feel they we duped into voting to leave by the lies they were told, including but certainly not limited to the bus,.
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It certainly is ridiculous, people knew what they were voting for, I certainly did, dont let Corbyn pull the wool over your eyes, another vote and it's the end of democracy as we know it
comment by Dave&Danny (U4428)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 10 minutes ago
Which is exactly why people talk about a second referendum - but apparently that is anti-democratic.
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And if the result is the same then what ? A 3rd referendum? Or maybe a 4th or 5th? Maybe eventually you will get the result you want. Absolute ridiculous to even suggest a 2nd referendum. What the hell will that achieve? The referendum was already granted and more people voted out in a democratic vote, end of story.
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It's not ridiculous at all. Many people feel they we duped into voting to leave by the lies they were told, including but certainly not limited to the bus,.
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It certainly is ridiculous, people knew what they were voting for, I certainly did, dont let Corbyn pull the wool over your eyes, another vote and it's the end of democracy as we know it
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More votes = less democracy?
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Away from the football for bit
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posted on 21/3/19
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 10 minutes ago
Which is exactly why people talk about a second referendum - but apparently that is anti-democratic.
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And if the result is the same then what ? A 3rd referendum? Or maybe a 4th or 5th? Maybe eventually you will get the result you want. Absolute ridiculous to even suggest a 2nd referendum. What the hell will that achieve? The referendum was already granted and more people voted out in a democratic vote, end of story.
posted on 21/3/19
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by THudd IIII (U1029)
posted 2 minutes ago
I wanted to leave yes, can't deny that.
But the people have been screwed over by this inept government and it's clear they're unable to leave the EU with a deal that suits all parties, so either we leave no deal and do what we can or the sensible decision is to revoke.
I can't see any MP support a revoke of article 50, given that their constituents voted to leave (in most parts) they'd be slaughtered.
Is no deal better than a deal? at the moment yes
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Your comment went so well until the last sentence. It looked like a leave voter with sense who saw he wasnt getting what he thought he was getting when he voted and wanted to go back on it. No deal is not better than anything, it is the worst situation.
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I meant in the sense of no deal compared to this disaster at the moment
Obviously revoke is the sensible decision, but if that's not achievable then the options are limited.
posted on 21/3/19
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 10 minutes ago
Which is exactly why people talk about a second referendum - but apparently that is anti-democratic.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And if the result is the same then what ? A 3rd referendum? Or maybe a 4th or 5th? Maybe eventually you will get the result you want. Absolute ridiculous to even suggest a 2nd referendum. What the hell will that achieve? The referendum was already granted and more people voted out in a democratic vote, end of story.
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Most people know far more about what the EU and Berexit is all about now than they did 3 years ago - I don't see what's wrong with a second vote now. And nor did such leave luminaries as Rees-Mogg and Farage.
Some people have stuck to their guns, some have not, I see no harm in testing the waters again regardless. If it comes out the same result - so be it.
posted on 21/3/19
To be honest, the only people dead set against another vote and those who fear losing it - you know it, I know it.
I'd rather we proceed with the more informed electorate we have now, with the realities on the table more clear.
posted on 21/3/19
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 1 hour, 58 minutes ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 6 minutes ago
Those who wish to stay. Come on over and live with us. We’re sound lads
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Ok. Can I have the post code for the SatNav?
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Dublin 1
posted on 21/3/19
One of the first books I read on Brexit was Ian Dunt’s “Brexit: What the Hell Happens Now” shortly after the refdm in 2016.
The first chapter sets out the apocalypse that he believed would ensue in the event of a no-deal. At the time I thought it was a bit sensationalist to be honest. And was a bit sceptical.
From what I have seen and read since, (both from the public and private sector) IMO it’s pretty much (aside from a few technicalities) spot on.
This extract worth a read for anyone interested:
https://www.open-britain.co.uk/the_brexit_cliff_edge_by_ian_dunt
posted on 21/3/19
Just revoke the faaacking thing and move on
Absolute shambles that you could see coming from a mile away
posted on 21/3/19
Should be '...are those who fear login it', obviously. Not sure why I keep writing 'and' intead of 'are'. Probably some sort of degenerative thing.
posted on 21/3/19
FFFFFF-ck. "losing it", not "login it". Stupid kunting fingers.
posted on 21/3/19
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 2 minutes ago
Just revoke the faaacking thing and move on
Absolute shambles that you could see coming from a mile away
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posted on 21/3/19
Don Tottenham is ignoring all comments with firm arguments and sources that the UK will be worse off. Its like a McCann thread where people deliberately refuse to listen to sense and stick to their opinion even if proof hit them in the face with a cement truck.
posted on 21/3/19
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 5 minutes ago
FFFFFF-ck. "losing it", not "login it". Stupid kunting fingers.
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posted on 21/3/19
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/article-50-petition-revoke-brexit-delay-theresa-may-deal-a8833681.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1553180078
One Million.
posted on 21/3/19
Regardless of the outcome I'm not sure how as a society we move on from this divisiveness, the level of vitriol in politics at the minute is awful.
Cameron opened up Pandora's box
posted on 21/3/19
comment by 🇪🇺Sonny Sn❄️wflake🇪🇺 (U21889)
posted 1 minute ago
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/article-50-petition-revoke-brexit-delay-theresa-may-deal-a8833681.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1553180078
One Million.
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"Despite record-breaking interest in the petition over the past 24 hours, senior government figures have already moved to dismiss its importance."
Standard.
posted on 21/3/19
A million people get off their arris, get on a train, spend their own hard earned cash and hours of their time, to protest a war - ignored.
No chance an online tick box competition gets a look in.
posted on 21/3/19
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 1 minute ago
Regardless of the outcome I'm not sure how as a society we move on from this divisiveness, the level of vitriol in politics at the minute is awful.
Cameron opened up Pandora's box
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Agree. And (assuming WA passes) this is just the very beginning. The 'divorce'
The future relationship (when the UK is a third country and will be treated as such) will be much more complicated and fraught.
posted on 21/3/19
Excited for the second referendum.
posted on 21/3/19
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 10 minutes ago
Which is exactly why people talk about a second referendum - but apparently that is anti-democratic.
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And if the result is the same then what ? A 3rd referendum? Or maybe a 4th or 5th? Maybe eventually you will get the result you want. Absolute ridiculous to even suggest a 2nd referendum. What the hell will that achieve? The referendum was already granted and more people voted out in a democratic vote, end of story.
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It's not ridiculous at all. Many people feel they we duped into voting to leave by the lies they were told, including but certainly not limited to the bus,.
posted on 21/3/19
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 10 minutes ago
Which is exactly why people talk about a second referendum - but apparently that is anti-democratic.
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And if the result is the same then what ? A 3rd referendum? Or maybe a 4th or 5th? Maybe eventually you will get the result you want. Absolute ridiculous to even suggest a 2nd referendum. What the hell will that achieve? The referendum was already granted and more people voted out in a democratic vote, end of story.
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It's not ridiculous at all. Many people feel they we duped into voting to leave by the lies they were told, including but certainly not limited to the bus,.
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The original referendum should've always been exploratoy to see if there was enough will to leave the EU with a second vote on the deal presented always on the cards.
posted on 21/3/19
What I do not quite get, is we are constantly being told that more than 17 million voted to Leave. By my count though I think the population of the country is now approaching 67 million. So that means one way or another 50 million did not vote to leave.
When the extreme Brexiteers scream, well 17 million voted to Leave, are they ignoring the 50 million of the population that didn`t.
I never quite got why foreign nationals who pay their taxes, live in the country, settled in the country never got to have a vote? Yet quite a lot who did get a vote are now six foot or more under two or three years after the vote. Somebody explain please.
posted on 21/3/19
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 12 minutes ago
What I do not quite get, is we are constantly being told that more than 17 million voted to Leave. By my count though I think the population of the country is now approaching 67 million. So that means one way or another 50 million did not vote to leave.
When the extreme Brexiteers scream, well 17 million voted to Leave, are they ignoring the 50 million of the population that didn`t.
I never quite got why foreign nationals who pay their taxes, live in the country, settled in the country never got to have a vote? Yet quite a lot who did get a vote are now six foot or more under two or three years after the vote. Somebody explain please.
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Sandy,
You'll struggle to find one election, or even one vote in history, where more than half of the population voted. Brexit had one of if not the biggest UK turnout ever, so I don't think you can really play that card on this one.
posted on 21/3/19
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 12 minutes ago
What I do not quite get, is we are constantly being told that more than 17 million voted to Leave. By my count though I think the population of the country is now approaching 67 million. So that means one way or another 50 million did not vote to leave.
When the extreme Brexiteers scream, well 17 million voted to Leave, are they ignoring the 50 million of the population that didn`t.
I never quite got why foreign nationals who pay their taxes, live in the country, settled in the country never got to have a vote? Yet quite a lot who did get a vote are now six foot or more under two or three years after the vote. Somebody explain please.
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Sandy,
You'll struggle to find one election, or even one vote in history, where more than half of the population voted. Brexit had one of if not the biggest UK turnout ever, so I don't think you can really play that card on this one.
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Agreed, but in an election you get another chance five years later maximum. This vote was a once in a lifetime chance or so we were told. So you get why having just a one off binary vote was a load of nonsense really. At the very least it should have been a 60/40 vote one way or the other. 52/48 is far too close for the Leavers to say we won, and ignore the 16 million or so on the other side. And then if a deal was agreed, it should then have been put to the people to ratify it finally. Now that would be proper democracy.
Leaving on a simple Yes or No was never going to be simple, no matter how the politicians spinned it.
posted on 21/3/19
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 10 minutes ago
Which is exactly why people talk about a second referendum - but apparently that is anti-democratic.
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And if the result is the same then what ? A 3rd referendum? Or maybe a 4th or 5th? Maybe eventually you will get the result you want. Absolute ridiculous to even suggest a 2nd referendum. What the hell will that achieve? The referendum was already granted and more people voted out in a democratic vote, end of story.
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It's not ridiculous at all. Many people feel they we duped into voting to leave by the lies they were told, including but certainly not limited to the bus,.
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It certainly is ridiculous, people knew what they were voting for, I certainly did, dont let Corbyn pull the wool over your eyes, another vote and it's the end of democracy as we know it
posted on 21/3/19
comment by Dave&Danny (U4428)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 10 minutes ago
Which is exactly why people talk about a second referendum - but apparently that is anti-democratic.
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And if the result is the same then what ? A 3rd referendum? Or maybe a 4th or 5th? Maybe eventually you will get the result you want. Absolute ridiculous to even suggest a 2nd referendum. What the hell will that achieve? The referendum was already granted and more people voted out in a democratic vote, end of story.
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It's not ridiculous at all. Many people feel they we duped into voting to leave by the lies they were told, including but certainly not limited to the bus,.
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It certainly is ridiculous, people knew what they were voting for, I certainly did, dont let Corbyn pull the wool over your eyes, another vote and it's the end of democracy as we know it
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More votes = less democracy?
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