Hope he smashes it, guys a legend. Just don't think it will end well.
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“It’s absolutely revisionist because you attempt to equate all success at Leicester ultimately to one individual.”
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Clearly didn’t read my post.
Incidentally, Glen Driscoll is doing well this season isn’t he? Do you think Arsenal will come in for him?
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Yes I read your post and I disagree with it. I’m sure you’ll get over it Joby
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I just found it interesting that the bit you disagreed with was almost the exact opposite of what I actually said.
I assumed it was down to your ability to read, but maybe it was my ability to articulate
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You can only think it will end in tears. Whatever your views on Pearson are, and I’m very glad we took him back by the way, he has been an absolute managerial disaster since leaving Leicester.
Dunge is right, he needs time to build a squad and crucially he needs Walsh with him to do it. With Shakespeare as well, it’s a formidable team, but needs time.
Pearson on his own is just a nutcase basically
I think Nige was actually responsible for clearing out the squad, agree with Joby on that one but how on earth did you forget to include Matt Mills in your list!?
BS is right in that he hasn't exactly pulled up trees since he left us.
I also agree that it's highly likely to end in tears, sooner rather than later given the Pearson tendency to lose his temper, and the need for him to have time to build which Watford certainly haven't been giving their managers recently.
For me the biggest question is whether there is any truth in the rumour that Pearson accepted the job once he found out that JG had bought 3 season tickets in the Sir Elton John Stand?
I wish Nige all the best by the way, hope he makes a success of it (except for the match on Saturday 14 March of course).
Anyone that argues Pearson wasn’t the catalyst and instigator of our upturn in fortunes and form is an ostrich I’m my eyes.
For me he will always be the man that our owners found and needed to turn our club around.
I love him and good luck to him at Watford. For what he did for our club I wish him every success.
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Anyone that argues Pearson wasn’t the catalyst and instigator of our upturn in fortunes and form is an ostrich I’m my eyes.
For me he will always be the man that our owners found and needed to turn our club around.
I love him and good luck to him at Watford. For what he did for our club I wish him every success.
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You love him?!
I think the unique thing with the Pearson situation is that in my opinion you can’t talk about Pearson being the catalyst without talking about Walsh and Shakespeare.
This is different to someone like Rodgers in my opinion who could work with a different assistant manager and a different recruitment set up and largely get the same success. Rodgers has a blueprint and his teams have an identity which you can see everywhere he goes.
Pearson just isn’t anywhere near that level. I am delighted we hired him and recognise it was the turning point for us - but he comes as a trio and he only succeeds in that three way partnership. Very different to other top level managers. Without that specific support network he’s absolutely hopeless
So in my view it should never be a case of ‘Pearson was the catalyst, Pearson rebuilt everything, Pearson is a God”. It’s a case of Pearson, Walsh and Shakespeare. Like Crosby, Stills and Nash if you will
Look at what Ranieri was able to achieve here with those two behind him. They just don’t get enough credit
Totally agree BS. I didn’t say he was a god, I just said I love him.
Yes he surrounded himself with a brilliant team and they were massively important to our success. But credit to him for bringing them.
All I’m saying is he is the man that oversaw the removal of overpaid poor attitude players and built a team and club around a clear recruitment plan that we still use today.
I think he deserves massive respect for the job he did with us.
Yes he’s been poor since he left us, but I don’t judge what he did for our club based on that.
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Pearson twice cleared out half a dressing room’s worth of bad apples, got the players playing for the shirt and the fans again and left the club in a vastly superior state to how he found it. He made me fall in love with the club again. Yes, he had a team around him, and they get respect for that along with him, but he led it. I loved his attitude and I loved the man for what he did here - despite, or maybe even partly including, his flaws.
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Totally agree BS. I didn’t say he was a god, I just said I love him.
Yes he surrounded himself with a brilliant team and they were massively important to our success. But credit to him for bringing them.
All I’m saying is he is the man that oversaw the removal of overpaid poor attitude players and built a team and club around a clear recruitment plan that we still use today.
I think he deserves massive respect for the job he did with us.
Yes he’s been poor since he left us, but I don’t judge what he did for our club based on that.
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“Built a team and club around a clear recruitment plan” - you see again he didn’t. Steve Walsh did. I still think people underestimate what Walsh actually did when he joined Leicester. The guy totally re-built our scouting system from the bottom up. He helped build a proper european network, implemented a statistics based recruitment system and brought in some of the leading scouts we still have today. On top of this, he was the guy (not Pearson) who personally watched and recruited Mahrez, Vardy and Kante.
If anyone should be given credit with merseys sentence, it’s Walsh, not Pearson. It’s why Pearson has never been able to build a single thing without him. Nigel was very fortunate that Walsh was available and of course correctly identified him as a pivotal person
Don’t forget that Sir Alex Ferguson once said of Walsh that he is the most influential person in the Premier League.
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Pearson twice cleared out half a dressing room’s worth of bad apples, got the players playing for the shirt and the fans again and left the club in a vastly superior state to how he found it. He made me fall in love with the club again. Yes, he had a team around him, and they get respect for that along with him, but he led it. I loved his attitude and I loved the man for what he did here - despite, or maybe even partly including, his flaws.
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I totally agree that Pearson identified the bad apples and cleared them out. I also agree that he built a solid dressing room and was responsible for putting in place the team spirit and culture that was a factor during our title win.
But the problem is that fans with rose tinted spectacles attribute everything else to him as well. Literally as if he was Arsene Wenger when he first came to Arsenal
You can’t hide from the fact that his win percentage at Derby was 17% and he couldn’t even cut it in the Belgian second division on his own. When you read what happened with OH Leuven (as I have) he completely lost the dressing room and I don’t think it’s fair to say he had a squad of 20 bad apples there
By the way I’m no Pearson hater. I just recognise that on his own he’s an extremely limited manager and get bemused by those declaring him to be the Brian Clough of Leicester.
That said, if he doesn’t fall out with the entire Watford board in the first week, then he could actually change the mentality of the dressing room - that I’ll give him, when at his best he’s a very good man manager
That’s why I agree that I don’t see it working at Watford. Derby were a basket case with a chairman who wasn’t willing to back him over the players, and Watford looks similar with their managerial turnover. I also agree that his record at Leuven should be worrying to Watford as well, as there’s less excuse for that.
I was more talking about Merseyside saying he loved him for what he did and achieved here, and I feel that too.
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Totally agree BS. I didn’t say he was a god, I just said I love him.
Yes he surrounded himself with a brilliant team and they were massively important to our success. But credit to him for bringing them.
All I’m saying is he is the man that oversaw the removal of overpaid poor attitude players and built a team and club around a clear recruitment plan that we still use today.
I think he deserves massive respect for the job he did with us.
Yes he’s been poor since he left us, but I don’t judge what he did for our club based on that.
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“Built a team and club around a clear recruitment plan” - you see again he didn’t. Steve Walsh did. I still think people underestimate what Walsh actually did when he joined Leicester. The guy totally re-built our scouting system from the bottom up. He helped build a proper european network, implemented a statistics based recruitment system and brought in some of the leading scouts we still have today. On top of this, he was the guy (not Pearson) who personally watched and recruited Mahrez, Vardy and Kante.
If anyone should be given credit with merseys sentence, it’s Walsh, not Pearson. It’s why Pearson has never been able to build a single thing without him. Nigel was very fortunate that Walsh was available and of course correctly identified him as a pivotal person
Don’t forget that Sir Alex Ferguson once said of Walsh that he is the most influential person in the Premier League.
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Pearson was the boss, Walsh worked for him. Pearson led the strategy. We’ll agree to disagree if you think Pearson didn’t influence the recruitment side of the club.
Walsh was clearly a brilliant head of recruitment who implemented a fantastic process and structure.
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Totally agree BS. I didn’t say he was a god, I just said I love him.
Yes he surrounded himself with a brilliant team and they were massively important to our success. But credit to him for bringing them.
All I’m saying is he is the man that oversaw the removal of overpaid poor attitude players and built a team and club around a clear recruitment plan that we still use today.
I think he deserves massive respect for the job he did with us.
Yes he’s been poor since he left us, but I don’t judge what he did for our club based on that.
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“Built a team and club around a clear recruitment plan” - you see again he didn’t. Steve Walsh did. I still think people underestimate what Walsh actually did when he joined Leicester. The guy totally re-built our scouting system from the bottom up. He helped build a proper european network, implemented a statistics based recruitment system and brought in some of the leading scouts we still have today. On top of this, he was the guy (not Pearson) who personally watched and recruited Mahrez, Vardy and Kante.
If anyone should be given credit with merseys sentence, it’s Walsh, not Pearson. It’s why Pearson has never been able to build a single thing without him. Nigel was very fortunate that Walsh was available and of course correctly identified him as a pivotal person
Don’t forget that Sir Alex Ferguson once said of Walsh that he is the most influential person in the Premier League.
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Pearson was the boss, Walsh worked for him. Pearson led the strategy. We’ll agree to disagree if you think Pearson didn’t influence the recruitment side of the club.
Walsh was clearly a brilliant head of recruitment who implemented a fantastic process and structure.
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I’d encourage you to do some reading on Leicester’s history under Pearson and then Ranieri. Pearson was actually quite hands off when it came to the recruitment, more than you would think. His input was around character, but he trusted Walsh to the extent that Walsh had the final say. A very different type of set up to the hierarchical assistant manager set up from the 90s you are describing.
Ps. I also think I he may fail at Watford for the reasons mentioned by all. But because of what he did for our club, I hope he doesn’t.
So just to re-iterate, Nigel Pearson did NOT lead the recruitment strategy by virtue of the fact Walsh worked for him. There was a lot more to it than that, do your homework mate
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Ps. I also think I he may fail at Watford for the reasons mentioned by all. But because of what he did for our club, I hope he doesn’t.
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Totally agree BS. I didn’t say he was a god, I just said I love him.
Yes he surrounded himself with a brilliant team and they were massively important to our success. But credit to him for bringing them.
All I’m saying is he is the man that oversaw the removal of overpaid poor attitude players and built a team and club around a clear recruitment plan that we still use today.
I think he deserves massive respect for the job he did with us.
Yes he’s been poor since he left us, but I don’t judge what he did for our club based on that.
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“Built a team and club around a clear recruitment plan” - you see again he didn’t. Steve Walsh did. I still think people underestimate what Walsh actually did when he joined Leicester. The guy totally re-built our scouting system from the bottom up. He helped build a proper european network, implemented a statistics based recruitment system and brought in some of the leading scouts we still have today. On top of this, he was the guy (not Pearson) who personally watched and recruited Mahrez, Vardy and Kante.
If anyone should be given credit with merseys sentence, it’s Walsh, not Pearson. It’s why Pearson has never been able to build a single thing without him. Nigel was very fortunate that Walsh was available and of course correctly identified him as a pivotal person
Don’t forget that Sir Alex Ferguson once said of Walsh that he is the most influential person in the Premier League.
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Pearson was the boss, Walsh worked for him. Pearson led the strategy. We’ll agree to disagree if you think Pearson didn’t influence the recruitment side of the club.
Walsh was clearly a brilliant head of recruitment who implemented a fantastic process and structure.
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I’d encourage you to do some reading on Leicester’s history under Pearson and then Ranieri. Pearson was actually quite hands off when it came to the recruitment, more than you would think. His input was around character, but he trusted Walsh to the extent that Walsh had the final say. A very different type of set up to the hierarchical assistant manager set up from the 90s you are describing.
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I agree BS. You highlight the leadership Pearson showed around character of recruitment. That is the main influence he had in his leadership.
I don’t need to do my homework thanks, I just have a different opinion to you on the same information.
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That’s why I agree that I don’t see it working at Watford. Derby were a basket case with a chairman who wasn’t willing to back him over the players, and Watford looks similar with their managerial turnover. I also agree that his record at Leuven should be worrying to Watford as well, as there’s less excuse for that.
I was more talking about Merseyside saying he loved him for what he did and achieved here, and I feel that too.
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Derby weren’t a basket case anymore than they are now. Have you spoken to Derby fans on what they think of him?
Lampard seemed to do just fine under the same ownership at Derby
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Totally agree BS. I didn’t say he was a god, I just said I love him.
Yes he surrounded himself with a brilliant team and they were massively important to our success. But credit to him for bringing them.
All I’m saying is he is the man that oversaw the removal of overpaid poor attitude players and built a team and club around a clear recruitment plan that we still use today.
I think he deserves massive respect for the job he did with us.
Yes he’s been poor since he left us, but I don’t judge what he did for our club based on that.
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“Built a team and club around a clear recruitment plan” - you see again he didn’t. Steve Walsh did. I still think people underestimate what Walsh actually did when he joined Leicester. The guy totally re-built our scouting system from the bottom up. He helped build a proper european network, implemented a statistics based recruitment system and brought in some of the leading scouts we still have today. On top of this, he was the guy (not Pearson) who personally watched and recruited Mahrez, Vardy and Kante.
If anyone should be given credit with merseys sentence, it’s Walsh, not Pearson. It’s why Pearson has never been able to build a single thing without him. Nigel was very fortunate that Walsh was available and of course correctly identified him as a pivotal person
Don’t forget that Sir Alex Ferguson once said of Walsh that he is the most influential person in the Premier League.
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Pearson was the boss, Walsh worked for him. Pearson led the strategy. We’ll agree to disagree if you think Pearson didn’t influence the recruitment side of the club.
Walsh was clearly a brilliant head of recruitment who implemented a fantastic process and structure.
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I’d encourage you to do some reading on Leicester’s history under Pearson and then Ranieri. Pearson was actually quite hands off when it came to the recruitment, more than you would think. His input was around character, but he trusted Walsh to the extent that Walsh had the final say. A very different type of set up to the hierarchical assistant manager set up from the 90s you are describing.
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I agree BS. You highlight the leadership Pearson showed around character of recruitment. That is the main influence he had in his leadership.
I don’t need to do my homework thanks, I just have a different opinion to you on the same information.
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You really do because I’ve seen several things you’ve written that just don’t represent the working relationship of 3 men at the helm of Leicester’s turnaround.
I suspect you won’t do your research however because in reality you don’t want to read anything that might challenge your perception of where credit should lie.
Anyway I’m not going to spend time arguing with a sycophant Mersey. You’ll take what you want from any information you’re given - factual or not. Have a good day
Go on an Everton forum and ask them what they think of Steve Walsh - it won’t be pretty.
I’m not sure Craig Shakespeare has many career highlights after leaving Leicester.
Let’s credit Walsh and Shakespeare with what happened here, but it would be incredibly shortsighted not to also credit the man who brought them in.
Everything I’ve read about Pearson from the people who’ve worked with him say that he’s a great team builder and person to be around. A good manager will bring in good people and create an environment in which they can succeed.
There actually aren’t many managers who haven’t got blemishes on their CV: either because they couldn’t bring in their own people or because they weren’t supported well by the club. Even Brendan has been accused of not getting the right people in to help with the recruitment side of management. Ultimately we could blame Congerton, but surely BR should identify the correct support?
For me not giving NP enormous credit for what was achieved at Leicester during his time here is pretty churlish and almost always to fit a particular narrative that posters want to convey. Not saying that is the case with BS here.
The two opinions aren’t exclusive. I would also worry about appointing Pearson, without the other two. I’d worry about his tactical approach at PL level and fear that his methods are more appropriate for teams that need to be built bottom up.
Doesn’t mean he wasn’t great for us and that me, Mersey and others don’t love the bloke for that. Maybe there’s room in that manage e trois for Steve Walsh too.
There’s a big difference with Walsh at Everton. He took a different job. A director of football he is not. Totally different to the role he had at Leicester and one that he just wasn’t suited for.
Again, some research into Walsh will show you that his track record before Leicester is exceptional. Everton is an unfortunate blip from a guy who took a wrong career turn.
Pearson on the other hand has NO track record aside from Leicester. Nothing. He’s 56 by the way. That should tell you an awful lot about the limitations of a man worshipped as a Demi God by some on here. He wasn’t
Again to re-iterate I’m a fan of what Pearson did here - but I recognise what he did do and I also try to recognise very clearly what he couldn’t do
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posted on 6/12/19
Hope he smashes it, guys a legend. Just don't think it will end well.
posted on 6/12/19
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“It’s absolutely revisionist because you attempt to equate all success at Leicester ultimately to one individual.”
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Clearly didn’t read my post.
Incidentally, Glen Driscoll is doing well this season isn’t he? Do you think Arsenal will come in for him?
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Yes I read your post and I disagree with it. I’m sure you’ll get over it Joby
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I just found it interesting that the bit you disagreed with was almost the exact opposite of what I actually said.
I assumed it was down to your ability to read, but maybe it was my ability to articulate
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posted on 6/12/19
You can only think it will end in tears. Whatever your views on Pearson are, and I’m very glad we took him back by the way, he has been an absolute managerial disaster since leaving Leicester.
Dunge is right, he needs time to build a squad and crucially he needs Walsh with him to do it. With Shakespeare as well, it’s a formidable team, but needs time.
Pearson on his own is just a nutcase basically
posted on 6/12/19
I think Nige was actually responsible for clearing out the squad, agree with Joby on that one but how on earth did you forget to include Matt Mills in your list!?
BS is right in that he hasn't exactly pulled up trees since he left us.
I also agree that it's highly likely to end in tears, sooner rather than later given the Pearson tendency to lose his temper, and the need for him to have time to build which Watford certainly haven't been giving their managers recently.
For me the biggest question is whether there is any truth in the rumour that Pearson accepted the job once he found out that JG had bought 3 season tickets in the Sir Elton John Stand?
posted on 6/12/19
I wish Nige all the best by the way, hope he makes a success of it (except for the match on Saturday 14 March of course).
posted on 6/12/19
Anyone that argues Pearson wasn’t the catalyst and instigator of our upturn in fortunes and form is an ostrich I’m my eyes.
For me he will always be the man that our owners found and needed to turn our club around.
I love him and good luck to him at Watford. For what he did for our club I wish him every success.
posted on 7/12/19
comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted 8 hours, 22 minutes ago
Anyone that argues Pearson wasn’t the catalyst and instigator of our upturn in fortunes and form is an ostrich I’m my eyes.
For me he will always be the man that our owners found and needed to turn our club around.
I love him and good luck to him at Watford. For what he did for our club I wish him every success.
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You love him?!
I think the unique thing with the Pearson situation is that in my opinion you can’t talk about Pearson being the catalyst without talking about Walsh and Shakespeare.
This is different to someone like Rodgers in my opinion who could work with a different assistant manager and a different recruitment set up and largely get the same success. Rodgers has a blueprint and his teams have an identity which you can see everywhere he goes.
Pearson just isn’t anywhere near that level. I am delighted we hired him and recognise it was the turning point for us - but he comes as a trio and he only succeeds in that three way partnership. Very different to other top level managers. Without that specific support network he’s absolutely hopeless
So in my view it should never be a case of ‘Pearson was the catalyst, Pearson rebuilt everything, Pearson is a God”. It’s a case of Pearson, Walsh and Shakespeare. Like Crosby, Stills and Nash if you will
Look at what Ranieri was able to achieve here with those two behind him. They just don’t get enough credit
posted on 7/12/19
Totally agree BS. I didn’t say he was a god, I just said I love him.
Yes he surrounded himself with a brilliant team and they were massively important to our success. But credit to him for bringing them.
All I’m saying is he is the man that oversaw the removal of overpaid poor attitude players and built a team and club around a clear recruitment plan that we still use today.
I think he deserves massive respect for the job he did with us.
Yes he’s been poor since he left us, but I don’t judge what he did for our club based on that.
posted on 7/12/19
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Pearson twice cleared out half a dressing room’s worth of bad apples, got the players playing for the shirt and the fans again and left the club in a vastly superior state to how he found it. He made me fall in love with the club again. Yes, he had a team around him, and they get respect for that along with him, but he led it. I loved his attitude and I loved the man for what he did here - despite, or maybe even partly including, his flaws.
posted on 7/12/19
comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted 27 minutes ago
Totally agree BS. I didn’t say he was a god, I just said I love him.
Yes he surrounded himself with a brilliant team and they were massively important to our success. But credit to him for bringing them.
All I’m saying is he is the man that oversaw the removal of overpaid poor attitude players and built a team and club around a clear recruitment plan that we still use today.
I think he deserves massive respect for the job he did with us.
Yes he’s been poor since he left us, but I don’t judge what he did for our club based on that.
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“Built a team and club around a clear recruitment plan” - you see again he didn’t. Steve Walsh did. I still think people underestimate what Walsh actually did when he joined Leicester. The guy totally re-built our scouting system from the bottom up. He helped build a proper european network, implemented a statistics based recruitment system and brought in some of the leading scouts we still have today. On top of this, he was the guy (not Pearson) who personally watched and recruited Mahrez, Vardy and Kante.
If anyone should be given credit with merseys sentence, it’s Walsh, not Pearson. It’s why Pearson has never been able to build a single thing without him. Nigel was very fortunate that Walsh was available and of course correctly identified him as a pivotal person
Don’t forget that Sir Alex Ferguson once said of Walsh that he is the most influential person in the Premier League.
posted on 7/12/19
comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 7 minutes ago
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Pearson twice cleared out half a dressing room’s worth of bad apples, got the players playing for the shirt and the fans again and left the club in a vastly superior state to how he found it. He made me fall in love with the club again. Yes, he had a team around him, and they get respect for that along with him, but he led it. I loved his attitude and I loved the man for what he did here - despite, or maybe even partly including, his flaws.
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I totally agree that Pearson identified the bad apples and cleared them out. I also agree that he built a solid dressing room and was responsible for putting in place the team spirit and culture that was a factor during our title win.
But the problem is that fans with rose tinted spectacles attribute everything else to him as well. Literally as if he was Arsene Wenger when he first came to Arsenal
You can’t hide from the fact that his win percentage at Derby was 17% and he couldn’t even cut it in the Belgian second division on his own. When you read what happened with OH Leuven (as I have) he completely lost the dressing room and I don’t think it’s fair to say he had a squad of 20 bad apples there
posted on 7/12/19
By the way I’m no Pearson hater. I just recognise that on his own he’s an extremely limited manager and get bemused by those declaring him to be the Brian Clough of Leicester.
That said, if he doesn’t fall out with the entire Watford board in the first week, then he could actually change the mentality of the dressing room - that I’ll give him, when at his best he’s a very good man manager
posted on 7/12/19
That’s why I agree that I don’t see it working at Watford. Derby were a basket case with a chairman who wasn’t willing to back him over the players, and Watford looks similar with their managerial turnover. I also agree that his record at Leuven should be worrying to Watford as well, as there’s less excuse for that.
I was more talking about Merseyside saying he loved him for what he did and achieved here, and I feel that too.
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comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted 27 minutes ago
Totally agree BS. I didn’t say he was a god, I just said I love him.
Yes he surrounded himself with a brilliant team and they were massively important to our success. But credit to him for bringing them.
All I’m saying is he is the man that oversaw the removal of overpaid poor attitude players and built a team and club around a clear recruitment plan that we still use today.
I think he deserves massive respect for the job he did with us.
Yes he’s been poor since he left us, but I don’t judge what he did for our club based on that.
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“Built a team and club around a clear recruitment plan” - you see again he didn’t. Steve Walsh did. I still think people underestimate what Walsh actually did when he joined Leicester. The guy totally re-built our scouting system from the bottom up. He helped build a proper european network, implemented a statistics based recruitment system and brought in some of the leading scouts we still have today. On top of this, he was the guy (not Pearson) who personally watched and recruited Mahrez, Vardy and Kante.
If anyone should be given credit with merseys sentence, it’s Walsh, not Pearson. It’s why Pearson has never been able to build a single thing without him. Nigel was very fortunate that Walsh was available and of course correctly identified him as a pivotal person
Don’t forget that Sir Alex Ferguson once said of Walsh that he is the most influential person in the Premier League.
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Pearson was the boss, Walsh worked for him. Pearson led the strategy. We’ll agree to disagree if you think Pearson didn’t influence the recruitment side of the club.
Walsh was clearly a brilliant head of recruitment who implemented a fantastic process and structure.
posted on 7/12/19
comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
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Totally agree BS. I didn’t say he was a god, I just said I love him.
Yes he surrounded himself with a brilliant team and they were massively important to our success. But credit to him for bringing them.
All I’m saying is he is the man that oversaw the removal of overpaid poor attitude players and built a team and club around a clear recruitment plan that we still use today.
I think he deserves massive respect for the job he did with us.
Yes he’s been poor since he left us, but I don’t judge what he did for our club based on that.
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“Built a team and club around a clear recruitment plan” - you see again he didn’t. Steve Walsh did. I still think people underestimate what Walsh actually did when he joined Leicester. The guy totally re-built our scouting system from the bottom up. He helped build a proper european network, implemented a statistics based recruitment system and brought in some of the leading scouts we still have today. On top of this, he was the guy (not Pearson) who personally watched and recruited Mahrez, Vardy and Kante.
If anyone should be given credit with merseys sentence, it’s Walsh, not Pearson. It’s why Pearson has never been able to build a single thing without him. Nigel was very fortunate that Walsh was available and of course correctly identified him as a pivotal person
Don’t forget that Sir Alex Ferguson once said of Walsh that he is the most influential person in the Premier League.
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Pearson was the boss, Walsh worked for him. Pearson led the strategy. We’ll agree to disagree if you think Pearson didn’t influence the recruitment side of the club.
Walsh was clearly a brilliant head of recruitment who implemented a fantastic process and structure.
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I’d encourage you to do some reading on Leicester’s history under Pearson and then Ranieri. Pearson was actually quite hands off when it came to the recruitment, more than you would think. His input was around character, but he trusted Walsh to the extent that Walsh had the final say. A very different type of set up to the hierarchical assistant manager set up from the 90s you are describing.
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Ps. I also think I he may fail at Watford for the reasons mentioned by all. But because of what he did for our club, I hope he doesn’t.
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So just to re-iterate, Nigel Pearson did NOT lead the recruitment strategy by virtue of the fact Walsh worked for him. There was a lot more to it than that, do your homework mate
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Ps. I also think I he may fail at Watford for the reasons mentioned by all. But because of what he did for our club, I hope he doesn’t.
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Totally agree BS. I didn’t say he was a god, I just said I love him.
Yes he surrounded himself with a brilliant team and they were massively important to our success. But credit to him for bringing them.
All I’m saying is he is the man that oversaw the removal of overpaid poor attitude players and built a team and club around a clear recruitment plan that we still use today.
I think he deserves massive respect for the job he did with us.
Yes he’s been poor since he left us, but I don’t judge what he did for our club based on that.
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“Built a team and club around a clear recruitment plan” - you see again he didn’t. Steve Walsh did. I still think people underestimate what Walsh actually did when he joined Leicester. The guy totally re-built our scouting system from the bottom up. He helped build a proper european network, implemented a statistics based recruitment system and brought in some of the leading scouts we still have today. On top of this, he was the guy (not Pearson) who personally watched and recruited Mahrez, Vardy and Kante.
If anyone should be given credit with merseys sentence, it’s Walsh, not Pearson. It’s why Pearson has never been able to build a single thing without him. Nigel was very fortunate that Walsh was available and of course correctly identified him as a pivotal person
Don’t forget that Sir Alex Ferguson once said of Walsh that he is the most influential person in the Premier League.
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Pearson was the boss, Walsh worked for him. Pearson led the strategy. We’ll agree to disagree if you think Pearson didn’t influence the recruitment side of the club.
Walsh was clearly a brilliant head of recruitment who implemented a fantastic process and structure.
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I’d encourage you to do some reading on Leicester’s history under Pearson and then Ranieri. Pearson was actually quite hands off when it came to the recruitment, more than you would think. His input was around character, but he trusted Walsh to the extent that Walsh had the final say. A very different type of set up to the hierarchical assistant manager set up from the 90s you are describing.
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I agree BS. You highlight the leadership Pearson showed around character of recruitment. That is the main influence he had in his leadership.
I don’t need to do my homework thanks, I just have a different opinion to you on the same information.
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comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
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That’s why I agree that I don’t see it working at Watford. Derby were a basket case with a chairman who wasn’t willing to back him over the players, and Watford looks similar with their managerial turnover. I also agree that his record at Leuven should be worrying to Watford as well, as there’s less excuse for that.
I was more talking about Merseyside saying he loved him for what he did and achieved here, and I feel that too.
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Derby weren’t a basket case anymore than they are now. Have you spoken to Derby fans on what they think of him?
Lampard seemed to do just fine under the same ownership at Derby
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Totally agree BS. I didn’t say he was a god, I just said I love him.
Yes he surrounded himself with a brilliant team and they were massively important to our success. But credit to him for bringing them.
All I’m saying is he is the man that oversaw the removal of overpaid poor attitude players and built a team and club around a clear recruitment plan that we still use today.
I think he deserves massive respect for the job he did with us.
Yes he’s been poor since he left us, but I don’t judge what he did for our club based on that.
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“Built a team and club around a clear recruitment plan” - you see again he didn’t. Steve Walsh did. I still think people underestimate what Walsh actually did when he joined Leicester. The guy totally re-built our scouting system from the bottom up. He helped build a proper european network, implemented a statistics based recruitment system and brought in some of the leading scouts we still have today. On top of this, he was the guy (not Pearson) who personally watched and recruited Mahrez, Vardy and Kante.
If anyone should be given credit with merseys sentence, it’s Walsh, not Pearson. It’s why Pearson has never been able to build a single thing without him. Nigel was very fortunate that Walsh was available and of course correctly identified him as a pivotal person
Don’t forget that Sir Alex Ferguson once said of Walsh that he is the most influential person in the Premier League.
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Pearson was the boss, Walsh worked for him. Pearson led the strategy. We’ll agree to disagree if you think Pearson didn’t influence the recruitment side of the club.
Walsh was clearly a brilliant head of recruitment who implemented a fantastic process and structure.
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I’d encourage you to do some reading on Leicester’s history under Pearson and then Ranieri. Pearson was actually quite hands off when it came to the recruitment, more than you would think. His input was around character, but he trusted Walsh to the extent that Walsh had the final say. A very different type of set up to the hierarchical assistant manager set up from the 90s you are describing.
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I agree BS. You highlight the leadership Pearson showed around character of recruitment. That is the main influence he had in his leadership.
I don’t need to do my homework thanks, I just have a different opinion to you on the same information.
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You really do because I’ve seen several things you’ve written that just don’t represent the working relationship of 3 men at the helm of Leicester’s turnaround.
I suspect you won’t do your research however because in reality you don’t want to read anything that might challenge your perception of where credit should lie.
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Anyway I’m not going to spend time arguing with a sycophant Mersey. You’ll take what you want from any information you’re given - factual or not. Have a good day
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Go on an Everton forum and ask them what they think of Steve Walsh - it won’t be pretty.
I’m not sure Craig Shakespeare has many career highlights after leaving Leicester.
Let’s credit Walsh and Shakespeare with what happened here, but it would be incredibly shortsighted not to also credit the man who brought them in.
Everything I’ve read about Pearson from the people who’ve worked with him say that he’s a great team builder and person to be around. A good manager will bring in good people and create an environment in which they can succeed.
There actually aren’t many managers who haven’t got blemishes on their CV: either because they couldn’t bring in their own people or because they weren’t supported well by the club. Even Brendan has been accused of not getting the right people in to help with the recruitment side of management. Ultimately we could blame Congerton, but surely BR should identify the correct support?
For me not giving NP enormous credit for what was achieved at Leicester during his time here is pretty churlish and almost always to fit a particular narrative that posters want to convey. Not saying that is the case with BS here.
The two opinions aren’t exclusive. I would also worry about appointing Pearson, without the other two. I’d worry about his tactical approach at PL level and fear that his methods are more appropriate for teams that need to be built bottom up.
Doesn’t mean he wasn’t great for us and that me, Mersey and others don’t love the bloke for that. Maybe there’s room in that manage e trois for Steve Walsh too.
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There’s a big difference with Walsh at Everton. He took a different job. A director of football he is not. Totally different to the role he had at Leicester and one that he just wasn’t suited for.
Again, some research into Walsh will show you that his track record before Leicester is exceptional. Everton is an unfortunate blip from a guy who took a wrong career turn.
Pearson on the other hand has NO track record aside from Leicester. Nothing. He’s 56 by the way. That should tell you an awful lot about the limitations of a man worshipped as a Demi God by some on here. He wasn’t
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Again to re-iterate I’m a fan of what Pearson did here - but I recognise what he did do and I also try to recognise very clearly what he couldn’t do
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