comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 2 minutes ago
I accept that those who rate Jeremy as a person/leader will always feel that the media done him in but I'm not sure that the red wall voters who turned blue are big Mail or Telegraph readers.
I remember watching alot of Sky/BBC news on Oct 31st (dead in a ditch day) and I don't think I've ever seen a politician more savaged on the tv than Boris was that day.
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Those red wall voters were brainwashed mate. Johnson will not go anywhere near their constituencies again.
To be honest I will have zero sympathy with any of them that lose their jobs. They probably deserve to. The Tory Party destroyed much of their industry and towns, and yet they still thought it right to vote for them. Turkeys and Xmas come to mind.
Johnson has never been savaged by the media, anywhere near what Corbyn was, and that`s a fact. Even now the media is not criticising him or his Government for the complete mess they have made of Coronavirus.
The Tories should be getting taken to the cleaners by the media, and they simply are not. Even this morning on Sky, Kay Burley has been talking to Hancock and taking questions, and it took 36 minutes of the programme for her to even mention all the deaths, when it should have absolutely been the very first question.
I can't believe corbyn went down to Buckingham Palace with a Bobby Sands pic and called the Queen a traitor.
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 minute ago
I can't believe corbyn went down to Buckingham Palace with a Bobby Sands pic and called the Queen a traitor.
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Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness were with him
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 2 minutes ago
I accept that those who rate Jeremy as a person/leader will always feel that the media done him in but I'm not sure that the red wall voters who turned blue are big Mail or Telegraph readers.
I remember watching alot of Sky/BBC news on Oct 31st (dead in a ditch day) and I don't think I've ever seen a politician more savaged on the tv than Boris was that day.
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Those red wall voters were brainwashed mate. Johnson will not go anywhere near their constituencies again.
To be honest I will have zero sympathy with any of them that lose their jobs. They probably deserve to. The Tory Party destroyed much of their industry and towns, and yet they still thought it right to vote for them. Turkeys and Xmas come to mind.
Johnson has never been savaged by the media, anywhere near what Corbyn was, and that`s a fact. Even now the media is not criticising him or his Government for the complete mess they have made of Coronavirus.
The Tories should be getting taken to the cleaners by the media, and they simply are not. Even this morning on Sky, Kay Burley has been talking to Hancock and taking questions, and it took 36 minutes of the programme for her to even mention all the deaths, when it should have absolutely been the very first question.
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Yes I just watched it and I think Burley must fancy him because she can be quite a bullish interviewer but she went very easy on him.
PMQ's at noon Starmer v Boris round 1 should be interesting.
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 5 minutes ago
I can't believe corbyn went down to Buckingham Palace with a Bobby Sands pic and called the Queen a traitor.
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When?
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 minute ago
I can't believe corbyn went down to Buckingham Palace with a Bobby Sands pic and called the Queen a traitor.
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Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness were with him
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Didn`t the Queen herself shake hands with both.
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 minute ago
I can't believe corbyn went down to Buckingham Palace with a Bobby Sands pic and called the Queen a traitor.
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Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness were with him
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Singing come out ya black and tans and all
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 5 minutes ago
I can't believe corbyn went down to Buckingham Palace with a Bobby Sands pic and called the Queen a traitor.
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When?
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I'm being sarcastic Sandy, I'm fully with you on Corbyn and how you've called out the media treatment of him.
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 1 hour, 42 minutes ago
Imagine the shiete show that we would have been seeing under the likes of Corbyn and Abbott, just step back and think about that for a moment, please.
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Definitely the least educated comment made by Tories - The whataboutism
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 minute ago
I can't believe corbyn went down to Buckingham Palace with a Bobby Sands pic and called the Queen a traitor.
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Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness were with him
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Singing come out ya black and tans and all
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In full ra camouflage gear
comment by Darkphoenix (U11503)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 1 hour, 42 minutes ago
Imagine the shiete show that we would have been seeing under the likes of Corbyn and Abbott, just step back and think about that for a moment, please.
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Definitely the least educated comment made by Tories - The whataboutism
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My favourite thing about this madness is how many people refuse to blame the actual government but instead try to justify a poor response by suggesting what an imaginary government would have done, its hilarious and shows the level of stupidity that exists.
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 minute ago
I can't believe corbyn went down to Buckingham Palace with a Bobby Sands pic and called the Queen a traitor.
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Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness were with him
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Singing come out ya black and tans and all
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In full ra camouflage gear
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That's why no one could see Mary Lou
Mostly to Sandy, but also to anyone else who's interested:
I traditionally consider myself centre-right, although the online tests you can do have come back telling me that I'm centrist. I'm probably centre-right economically and centrist socially. Regardless, a few months back, I voted Conservative.
I'm not going to pretend to you that Keir Starmer is likely to get my vote come the next election. That's not an absolute guarantee and I'm not closed to the idea, but practically speaking it's unlikely. However, it's worth noting that I'm not opposed to him to the point where I would deliberately go out and vote against him.
Last election, my choice was easy. I live in a constituency where, at least pre-election, it was relatively tight between the ruling Conservatives and the opposing Labour challenger. A few thousand votes. Not entirely borderline, but not entirely safe either. Now, my vote all things being equal would have gone to the Conservatives as the best choice of a bad lot. None of the options were inspiring, but they were the closest to a representation of my views. However, of far greater importance to me was that they were the main block to Labour getting in. And they got my vote pretty much automatically because of that.
Let me repeat this because it's an important point: My vote wasn't so much +1 to the Conservatives as -1 to Labour.
If my constituency had been tight between the Lib Dems and Labour, my vote would have gone to the Lib Dems, even though the Conservatives were closer to my political position.
This was because of Jeremy Corbyn, John McDonnell, Momentum and their policies and ideas. Because of them, and the words that came out of their mouths, I was out actively voting against Labour.
In the election following the coalition (which I quite liked as a government), I voted Lib Dem. The Lib Dem guy ultimately got so few votes that he lost his deposit. But it's worth noting here: My vote was +0 to both Conservatives and Labour in that election. i.e. Although I didn't vote for him, I did not actively vote against Ed Milliband.
Now I could rattle off a long list of reasons why I voted against Corbyn, and you wouldn't care. You'd strike them off as me being brainwashed, influenced by the media, etc etc. There's probably little point to having that argument because I highly doubt we'd come to any sort of agreement. But I've written what I have to illustrate a point: I doubt I'm the only voter out there who was thinking like this at the last election. I reckon half the red wall was thinking like it as well, and the loss of their votes was even more devastating because they wouldn't just have voted for someone neutral otherwise, they would have voted red. Corbyn, McDonnell, Momentum and all the vicious and furious online comments across any number of social media platforms punched at them with such vitriol that they didn't just find someone else, they exacted revenge and punishment.
You/Labour have got to both win those people back and give people like me reason not to actively vote against you if you want to win the next election. Otherwise you'll be sitting at your keyboard in five years time firing off exactly the same angry rant.
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Darkphoenix (U11503)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 1 hour, 42 minutes ago
Imagine the shiete show that we would have been seeing under the likes of Corbyn and Abbott, just step back and think about that for a moment, please.
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Definitely the least educated comment made by Tories - The whataboutism
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My favourite thing about this madness is how many people refuse to blame the actual government but instead try to justify a poor response by suggesting what an imaginary government would have done, its hilarious and shows the level of stupidity that exists.
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In fairness bro, you said it was just the "flu"
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Darkphoenix (U11503)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 1 hour, 42 minutes ago
Imagine the shiete show that we would have been seeing under the likes of Corbyn and Abbott, just step back and think about that for a moment, please.
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Definitely the least educated comment made by Tories - The whataboutism
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My favourite thing about this madness is how many people refuse to blame the actual government but instead try to justify a poor response by suggesting what an imaginary government would have done, its hilarious and shows the level of stupidity that exists.
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Bang on!
It's absolutely pathetic.
Our politics is nowhere near as toxic as it is in America, as I follow that closely, but we're definitely making large steps to become similar to them.
I honestly don't see what's so difficult to comprehend that the Tories have failed. They knew about this pandemic well in advance and their failure has sadly cost almost 30,000 lives.
But yeah, justify their incompetence with 'But, but, imagine if Corbyn was in charge?!"
comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 16 minutes ago
Mostly to Sandy, but also to anyone else who's interested:
I traditionally consider myself centre-right, although the online tests you can do have come back telling me that I'm centrist. I'm probably centre-right economically and centrist socially. Regardless, a few months back, I voted Conservative.
I'm not going to pretend to you that Keir Starmer is likely to get my vote come the next election. That's not an absolute guarantee and I'm not closed to the idea, but practically speaking it's unlikely. However, it's worth noting that I'm not opposed to him to the point where I would deliberately go out and vote against him.
Last election, my choice was easy. I live in a constituency where, at least pre-election, it was relatively tight between the ruling Conservatives and the opposing Labour challenger. A few thousand votes. Not entirely borderline, but not entirely safe either. Now, my vote all things being equal would have gone to the Conservatives as the best choice of a bad lot. None of the options were inspiring, but they were the closest to a representation of my views. However, of far greater importance to me was that they were the main block to Labour getting in. And they got my vote pretty much automatically because of that.
Let me repeat this because it's an important point: My vote wasn't so much +1 to the Conservatives as -1 to Labour.
If my constituency had been tight between the Lib Dems and Labour, my vote would have gone to the Lib Dems, even though the Conservatives were closer to my political position.
This was because of Jeremy Corbyn, John McDonnell, Momentum and their policies and ideas. Because of them, and the words that came out of their mouths, I was out actively voting against Labour.
In the election following the coalition (which I quite liked as a government), I voted Lib Dem. The Lib Dem guy ultimately got so few votes that he lost his deposit. But it's worth noting here: My vote was +0 to both Conservatives and Labour in that election. i.e. Although I didn't vote for him, I did not actively vote against Ed Milliband.
Now I could rattle off a long list of reasons why I voted against Corbyn, and you wouldn't care. You'd strike them off as me being brainwashed, influenced by the media, etc etc. There's probably little point to having that argument because I highly doubt we'd come to any sort of agreement. But I've written what I have to illustrate a point: I doubt I'm the only voter out there who was thinking like this at the last election. I reckon half the red wall was thinking like it as well, and the loss of their votes was even more devastating because they wouldn't just have voted for someone neutral otherwise, they would have voted red. Corbyn, McDonnell, Momentum and all the vicious and furious online comments across any number of social media platforms punched at them with such vitriol that they didn't just find someone else, they exacted revenge and punishment.
You/Labour have got to both win those people back and give people like me reason not to actively vote against you if you want to win the next election. Otherwise you'll be sitting at your keyboard in five years time firing off exactly the same angry rant.
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So do explain what you dislike about:
Increased funding to the NHS
Increasing minimum wage
Giving the people a say in the brexit deal
Keeping the pension age at current level
Improving the green emission target
Building more council housing
These are some of the key policies that you were so upset about that you voted for a party to didn't even want to vote for.
comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 34 minutes ago
Mostly to Sandy, but also to anyone else who's interested:
I traditionally consider myself centre-right, although the online tests you can do have come back telling me that I'm centrist. I'm probably centre-right economically and centrist socially. Regardless, a few months back, I voted Conservative.
I'm not going to pretend to you that Keir Starmer is likely to get my vote come the next election. That's not an absolute guarantee and I'm not closed to the idea, but practically speaking it's unlikely. However, it's worth noting that I'm not opposed to him to the point where I would deliberately go out and vote against him.
Last election, my choice was easy. I live in a constituency where, at least pre-election, it was relatively tight between the ruling Conservatives and the opposing Labour challenger. A few thousand votes. Not entirely borderline, but not entirely safe either. Now, my vote all things being equal would have gone to the Conservatives as the best choice of a bad lot. None of the options were inspiring, but they were the closest to a representation of my views. However, of far greater importance to me was that they were the main block to Labour getting in. And they got my vote pretty much automatically because of that.
Let me repeat this because it's an important point: My vote wasn't so much +1 to the Conservatives as -1 to Labour.
If my constituency had been tight between the Lib Dems and Labour, my vote would have gone to the Lib Dems, even though the Conservatives were closer to my political position.
This was because of Jeremy Corbyn, John McDonnell, Momentum and their policies and ideas. Because of them, and the words that came out of their mouths, I was out actively voting against Labour.
In the election following the coalition (which I quite liked as a government), I voted Lib Dem. The Lib Dem guy ultimately got so few votes that he lost his deposit. But it's worth noting here: My vote was +0 to both Conservatives and Labour in that election. i.e. Although I didn't vote for him, I did not actively vote against Ed Milliband.
Now I could rattle off a long list of reasons why I voted against Corbyn, and you wouldn't care. You'd strike them off as me being brainwashed, influenced by the media, etc etc. There's probably little point to having that argument because I highly doubt we'd come to any sort of agreement. But I've written what I have to illustrate a point: I doubt I'm the only voter out there who was thinking like this at the last election. I reckon half the red wall was thinking like it as well, and the loss of their votes was even more devastating because they wouldn't just have voted for someone neutral otherwise, they would have voted red. Corbyn, McDonnell, Momentum and all the vicious and furious online comments across any number of social media platforms punched at them with such vitriol that they didn't just find someone else, they exacted revenge and punishment.
You/Labour have got to both win those people back and give people like me reason not to actively vote against you if you want to win the next election. Otherwise you'll be sitting at your keyboard in five years time firing off exactly the same angry rant.
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But you were happy with what came out of the tories mouths?
comment by Why have cotton when you can have silk. (U22200)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Darkphoenix (U11503)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 1 hour, 42 minutes ago
Imagine the shiete show that we would have been seeing under the likes of Corbyn and Abbott, just step back and think about that for a moment, please.
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Definitely the least educated comment made by Tories - The whataboutism
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My favourite thing about this madness is how many people refuse to blame the actual government but instead try to justify a poor response by suggesting what an imaginary government would have done, its hilarious and shows the level of stupidity that exists.
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In fairness bro, you said it was just the "flu"
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Yeah that was over two months ago though, I wasn't as informed as I am now.
Care to respond to my comment Kneerash?
Quite something that this article has descended into slating Corbyn.
The Tories are untouchable, i believe we are on the path to facism facilitated by data because believe it or not deep down it seems that's what most people want until it comes at least.
Still no idea of the correlation though
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Why have cotton when you can have silk. (U22200)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Darkphoenix (U11503)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 1 hour, 42 minutes ago
Imagine the shiete show that we would have been seeing under the likes of Corbyn and Abbott, just step back and think about that for a moment, please.
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Definitely the least educated comment made by Tories - The whataboutism
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My favourite thing about this madness is how many people refuse to blame the actual government but instead try to justify a poor response by suggesting what an imaginary government would have done, its hilarious and shows the level of stupidity that exists.
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In fairness bro, you said it was just the "flu"
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Yeah that was over two months ago though, I wasn't as informed as I am now.
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Wow.
I informed myself back then where this was going and nearly puked after reading that comment but hey ho.
Hope you are safe and well.
comment by Why have cotton when you can have silk. (U22200)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Why have cotton when you can have silk. (U22200)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Darkphoenix (U11503)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 1 hour, 42 minutes ago
Imagine the shiete show that we would have been seeing under the likes of Corbyn and Abbott, just step back and think about that for a moment, please.
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Definitely the least educated comment made by Tories - The whataboutism
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My favourite thing about this madness is how many people refuse to blame the actual government but instead try to justify a poor response by suggesting what an imaginary government would have done, its hilarious and shows the level of stupidity that exists.
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In fairness bro, you said it was just the "flu"
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Yeah that was over two months ago though, I wasn't as informed as I am now.
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Wow.
I informed myself back then where this was going and nearly puked after reading that comment but hey ho.
Hope you are safe and well.
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OK mate, I mean I've stayed I wasn't informed and was defo not the only one thinking corona wasn't as dangerous as it turned out to be, remember this is like 10 weeks ago.
Still zero correlation between me, a nobody, saying it was like the flu, and why people refuse to blame the tories but happily say what if Labour, care to explain that?
I'm with you on that but it's not our politics to get involved in.
We haven't even got a government.
Sign in if you want to comment
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posted on 6/5/20
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 2 minutes ago
I accept that those who rate Jeremy as a person/leader will always feel that the media done him in but I'm not sure that the red wall voters who turned blue are big Mail or Telegraph readers.
I remember watching alot of Sky/BBC news on Oct 31st (dead in a ditch day) and I don't think I've ever seen a politician more savaged on the tv than Boris was that day.
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Those red wall voters were brainwashed mate. Johnson will not go anywhere near their constituencies again.
To be honest I will have zero sympathy with any of them that lose their jobs. They probably deserve to. The Tory Party destroyed much of their industry and towns, and yet they still thought it right to vote for them. Turkeys and Xmas come to mind.
Johnson has never been savaged by the media, anywhere near what Corbyn was, and that`s a fact. Even now the media is not criticising him or his Government for the complete mess they have made of Coronavirus.
The Tories should be getting taken to the cleaners by the media, and they simply are not. Even this morning on Sky, Kay Burley has been talking to Hancock and taking questions, and it took 36 minutes of the programme for her to even mention all the deaths, when it should have absolutely been the very first question.
posted on 6/5/20
I can't believe corbyn went down to Buckingham Palace with a Bobby Sands pic and called the Queen a traitor.
posted on 6/5/20
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 minute ago
I can't believe corbyn went down to Buckingham Palace with a Bobby Sands pic and called the Queen a traitor.
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Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness were with him
posted on 6/5/20
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 2 minutes ago
I accept that those who rate Jeremy as a person/leader will always feel that the media done him in but I'm not sure that the red wall voters who turned blue are big Mail or Telegraph readers.
I remember watching alot of Sky/BBC news on Oct 31st (dead in a ditch day) and I don't think I've ever seen a politician more savaged on the tv than Boris was that day.
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Those red wall voters were brainwashed mate. Johnson will not go anywhere near their constituencies again.
To be honest I will have zero sympathy with any of them that lose their jobs. They probably deserve to. The Tory Party destroyed much of their industry and towns, and yet they still thought it right to vote for them. Turkeys and Xmas come to mind.
Johnson has never been savaged by the media, anywhere near what Corbyn was, and that`s a fact. Even now the media is not criticising him or his Government for the complete mess they have made of Coronavirus.
The Tories should be getting taken to the cleaners by the media, and they simply are not. Even this morning on Sky, Kay Burley has been talking to Hancock and taking questions, and it took 36 minutes of the programme for her to even mention all the deaths, when it should have absolutely been the very first question.
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Yes I just watched it and I think Burley must fancy him because she can be quite a bullish interviewer but she went very easy on him.
PMQ's at noon Starmer v Boris round 1 should be interesting.
posted on 6/5/20
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 5 minutes ago
I can't believe corbyn went down to Buckingham Palace with a Bobby Sands pic and called the Queen a traitor.
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When?
posted on 6/5/20
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 minute ago
I can't believe corbyn went down to Buckingham Palace with a Bobby Sands pic and called the Queen a traitor.
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Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness were with him
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Didn`t the Queen herself shake hands with both.
posted on 6/5/20
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 minute ago
I can't believe corbyn went down to Buckingham Palace with a Bobby Sands pic and called the Queen a traitor.
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Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness were with him
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Singing come out ya black and tans and all
posted on 6/5/20
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 5 minutes ago
I can't believe corbyn went down to Buckingham Palace with a Bobby Sands pic and called the Queen a traitor.
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When?
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I'm being sarcastic Sandy, I'm fully with you on Corbyn and how you've called out the media treatment of him.
posted on 6/5/20
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 1 hour, 42 minutes ago
Imagine the shiete show that we would have been seeing under the likes of Corbyn and Abbott, just step back and think about that for a moment, please.
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Definitely the least educated comment made by Tories - The whataboutism
posted on 6/5/20
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 minute ago
I can't believe corbyn went down to Buckingham Palace with a Bobby Sands pic and called the Queen a traitor.
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Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness were with him
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Singing come out ya black and tans and all
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In full ra camouflage gear
posted on 6/5/20
comment by Darkphoenix (U11503)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 1 hour, 42 minutes ago
Imagine the shiete show that we would have been seeing under the likes of Corbyn and Abbott, just step back and think about that for a moment, please.
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Definitely the least educated comment made by Tories - The whataboutism
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My favourite thing about this madness is how many people refuse to blame the actual government but instead try to justify a poor response by suggesting what an imaginary government would have done, its hilarious and shows the level of stupidity that exists.
posted on 6/5/20
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 minute ago
I can't believe corbyn went down to Buckingham Palace with a Bobby Sands pic and called the Queen a traitor.
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Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness were with him
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Singing come out ya black and tans and all
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In full ra camouflage gear
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That's why no one could see Mary Lou
posted on 6/5/20
Mostly to Sandy, but also to anyone else who's interested:
I traditionally consider myself centre-right, although the online tests you can do have come back telling me that I'm centrist. I'm probably centre-right economically and centrist socially. Regardless, a few months back, I voted Conservative.
I'm not going to pretend to you that Keir Starmer is likely to get my vote come the next election. That's not an absolute guarantee and I'm not closed to the idea, but practically speaking it's unlikely. However, it's worth noting that I'm not opposed to him to the point where I would deliberately go out and vote against him.
Last election, my choice was easy. I live in a constituency where, at least pre-election, it was relatively tight between the ruling Conservatives and the opposing Labour challenger. A few thousand votes. Not entirely borderline, but not entirely safe either. Now, my vote all things being equal would have gone to the Conservatives as the best choice of a bad lot. None of the options were inspiring, but they were the closest to a representation of my views. However, of far greater importance to me was that they were the main block to Labour getting in. And they got my vote pretty much automatically because of that.
Let me repeat this because it's an important point: My vote wasn't so much +1 to the Conservatives as -1 to Labour.
If my constituency had been tight between the Lib Dems and Labour, my vote would have gone to the Lib Dems, even though the Conservatives were closer to my political position.
This was because of Jeremy Corbyn, John McDonnell, Momentum and their policies and ideas. Because of them, and the words that came out of their mouths, I was out actively voting against Labour.
In the election following the coalition (which I quite liked as a government), I voted Lib Dem. The Lib Dem guy ultimately got so few votes that he lost his deposit. But it's worth noting here: My vote was +0 to both Conservatives and Labour in that election. i.e. Although I didn't vote for him, I did not actively vote against Ed Milliband.
Now I could rattle off a long list of reasons why I voted against Corbyn, and you wouldn't care. You'd strike them off as me being brainwashed, influenced by the media, etc etc. There's probably little point to having that argument because I highly doubt we'd come to any sort of agreement. But I've written what I have to illustrate a point: I doubt I'm the only voter out there who was thinking like this at the last election. I reckon half the red wall was thinking like it as well, and the loss of their votes was even more devastating because they wouldn't just have voted for someone neutral otherwise, they would have voted red. Corbyn, McDonnell, Momentum and all the vicious and furious online comments across any number of social media platforms punched at them with such vitriol that they didn't just find someone else, they exacted revenge and punishment.
You/Labour have got to both win those people back and give people like me reason not to actively vote against you if you want to win the next election. Otherwise you'll be sitting at your keyboard in five years time firing off exactly the same angry rant.
posted on 6/5/20
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Darkphoenix (U11503)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 1 hour, 42 minutes ago
Imagine the shiete show that we would have been seeing under the likes of Corbyn and Abbott, just step back and think about that for a moment, please.
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Definitely the least educated comment made by Tories - The whataboutism
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My favourite thing about this madness is how many people refuse to blame the actual government but instead try to justify a poor response by suggesting what an imaginary government would have done, its hilarious and shows the level of stupidity that exists.
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In fairness bro, you said it was just the "flu"
posted on 6/5/20
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Darkphoenix (U11503)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 1 hour, 42 minutes ago
Imagine the shiete show that we would have been seeing under the likes of Corbyn and Abbott, just step back and think about that for a moment, please.
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Definitely the least educated comment made by Tories - The whataboutism
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My favourite thing about this madness is how many people refuse to blame the actual government but instead try to justify a poor response by suggesting what an imaginary government would have done, its hilarious and shows the level of stupidity that exists.
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Bang on!
It's absolutely pathetic.
Our politics is nowhere near as toxic as it is in America, as I follow that closely, but we're definitely making large steps to become similar to them.
I honestly don't see what's so difficult to comprehend that the Tories have failed. They knew about this pandemic well in advance and their failure has sadly cost almost 30,000 lives.
But yeah, justify their incompetence with 'But, but, imagine if Corbyn was in charge?!"
posted on 6/5/20
comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 16 minutes ago
Mostly to Sandy, but also to anyone else who's interested:
I traditionally consider myself centre-right, although the online tests you can do have come back telling me that I'm centrist. I'm probably centre-right economically and centrist socially. Regardless, a few months back, I voted Conservative.
I'm not going to pretend to you that Keir Starmer is likely to get my vote come the next election. That's not an absolute guarantee and I'm not closed to the idea, but practically speaking it's unlikely. However, it's worth noting that I'm not opposed to him to the point where I would deliberately go out and vote against him.
Last election, my choice was easy. I live in a constituency where, at least pre-election, it was relatively tight between the ruling Conservatives and the opposing Labour challenger. A few thousand votes. Not entirely borderline, but not entirely safe either. Now, my vote all things being equal would have gone to the Conservatives as the best choice of a bad lot. None of the options were inspiring, but they were the closest to a representation of my views. However, of far greater importance to me was that they were the main block to Labour getting in. And they got my vote pretty much automatically because of that.
Let me repeat this because it's an important point: My vote wasn't so much +1 to the Conservatives as -1 to Labour.
If my constituency had been tight between the Lib Dems and Labour, my vote would have gone to the Lib Dems, even though the Conservatives were closer to my political position.
This was because of Jeremy Corbyn, John McDonnell, Momentum and their policies and ideas. Because of them, and the words that came out of their mouths, I was out actively voting against Labour.
In the election following the coalition (which I quite liked as a government), I voted Lib Dem. The Lib Dem guy ultimately got so few votes that he lost his deposit. But it's worth noting here: My vote was +0 to both Conservatives and Labour in that election. i.e. Although I didn't vote for him, I did not actively vote against Ed Milliband.
Now I could rattle off a long list of reasons why I voted against Corbyn, and you wouldn't care. You'd strike them off as me being brainwashed, influenced by the media, etc etc. There's probably little point to having that argument because I highly doubt we'd come to any sort of agreement. But I've written what I have to illustrate a point: I doubt I'm the only voter out there who was thinking like this at the last election. I reckon half the red wall was thinking like it as well, and the loss of their votes was even more devastating because they wouldn't just have voted for someone neutral otherwise, they would have voted red. Corbyn, McDonnell, Momentum and all the vicious and furious online comments across any number of social media platforms punched at them with such vitriol that they didn't just find someone else, they exacted revenge and punishment.
You/Labour have got to both win those people back and give people like me reason not to actively vote against you if you want to win the next election. Otherwise you'll be sitting at your keyboard in five years time firing off exactly the same angry rant.
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So do explain what you dislike about:
Increased funding to the NHS
Increasing minimum wage
Giving the people a say in the brexit deal
Keeping the pension age at current level
Improving the green emission target
Building more council housing
These are some of the key policies that you were so upset about that you voted for a party to didn't even want to vote for.
posted on 6/5/20
comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 34 minutes ago
Mostly to Sandy, but also to anyone else who's interested:
I traditionally consider myself centre-right, although the online tests you can do have come back telling me that I'm centrist. I'm probably centre-right economically and centrist socially. Regardless, a few months back, I voted Conservative.
I'm not going to pretend to you that Keir Starmer is likely to get my vote come the next election. That's not an absolute guarantee and I'm not closed to the idea, but practically speaking it's unlikely. However, it's worth noting that I'm not opposed to him to the point where I would deliberately go out and vote against him.
Last election, my choice was easy. I live in a constituency where, at least pre-election, it was relatively tight between the ruling Conservatives and the opposing Labour challenger. A few thousand votes. Not entirely borderline, but not entirely safe either. Now, my vote all things being equal would have gone to the Conservatives as the best choice of a bad lot. None of the options were inspiring, but they were the closest to a representation of my views. However, of far greater importance to me was that they were the main block to Labour getting in. And they got my vote pretty much automatically because of that.
Let me repeat this because it's an important point: My vote wasn't so much +1 to the Conservatives as -1 to Labour.
If my constituency had been tight between the Lib Dems and Labour, my vote would have gone to the Lib Dems, even though the Conservatives were closer to my political position.
This was because of Jeremy Corbyn, John McDonnell, Momentum and their policies and ideas. Because of them, and the words that came out of their mouths, I was out actively voting against Labour.
In the election following the coalition (which I quite liked as a government), I voted Lib Dem. The Lib Dem guy ultimately got so few votes that he lost his deposit. But it's worth noting here: My vote was +0 to both Conservatives and Labour in that election. i.e. Although I didn't vote for him, I did not actively vote against Ed Milliband.
Now I could rattle off a long list of reasons why I voted against Corbyn, and you wouldn't care. You'd strike them off as me being brainwashed, influenced by the media, etc etc. There's probably little point to having that argument because I highly doubt we'd come to any sort of agreement. But I've written what I have to illustrate a point: I doubt I'm the only voter out there who was thinking like this at the last election. I reckon half the red wall was thinking like it as well, and the loss of their votes was even more devastating because they wouldn't just have voted for someone neutral otherwise, they would have voted red. Corbyn, McDonnell, Momentum and all the vicious and furious online comments across any number of social media platforms punched at them with such vitriol that they didn't just find someone else, they exacted revenge and punishment.
You/Labour have got to both win those people back and give people like me reason not to actively vote against you if you want to win the next election. Otherwise you'll be sitting at your keyboard in five years time firing off exactly the same angry rant.
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But you were happy with what came out of the tories mouths?
posted on 6/5/20
comment by Why have cotton when you can have silk. (U22200)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Darkphoenix (U11503)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 1 hour, 42 minutes ago
Imagine the shiete show that we would have been seeing under the likes of Corbyn and Abbott, just step back and think about that for a moment, please.
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Definitely the least educated comment made by Tories - The whataboutism
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My favourite thing about this madness is how many people refuse to blame the actual government but instead try to justify a poor response by suggesting what an imaginary government would have done, its hilarious and shows the level of stupidity that exists.
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In fairness bro, you said it was just the "flu"
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Yeah that was over two months ago though, I wasn't as informed as I am now.
posted on 6/5/20
Care to respond to my comment Kneerash?
posted on 6/5/20
I did
posted on 6/5/20
Quite something that this article has descended into slating Corbyn.
The Tories are untouchable, i believe we are on the path to facism facilitated by data because believe it or not deep down it seems that's what most people want until it comes at least.
posted on 6/5/20
Still no idea of the correlation though
posted on 6/5/20
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Why have cotton when you can have silk. (U22200)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Darkphoenix (U11503)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 1 hour, 42 minutes ago
Imagine the shiete show that we would have been seeing under the likes of Corbyn and Abbott, just step back and think about that for a moment, please.
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Definitely the least educated comment made by Tories - The whataboutism
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My favourite thing about this madness is how many people refuse to blame the actual government but instead try to justify a poor response by suggesting what an imaginary government would have done, its hilarious and shows the level of stupidity that exists.
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In fairness bro, you said it was just the "flu"
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Yeah that was over two months ago though, I wasn't as informed as I am now.
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Wow.
I informed myself back then where this was going and nearly puked after reading that comment but hey ho.
Hope you are safe and well.
posted on 6/5/20
comment by Why have cotton when you can have silk. (U22200)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Why have cotton when you can have silk. (U22200)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Darkphoenix (U11503)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 1 hour, 42 minutes ago
Imagine the shiete show that we would have been seeing under the likes of Corbyn and Abbott, just step back and think about that for a moment, please.
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Definitely the least educated comment made by Tories - The whataboutism
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My favourite thing about this madness is how many people refuse to blame the actual government but instead try to justify a poor response by suggesting what an imaginary government would have done, its hilarious and shows the level of stupidity that exists.
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In fairness bro, you said it was just the "flu"
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Yeah that was over two months ago though, I wasn't as informed as I am now.
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Wow.
I informed myself back then where this was going and nearly puked after reading that comment but hey ho.
Hope you are safe and well.
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OK mate, I mean I've stayed I wasn't informed and was defo not the only one thinking corona wasn't as dangerous as it turned out to be, remember this is like 10 weeks ago.
Still zero correlation between me, a nobody, saying it was like the flu, and why people refuse to blame the tories but happily say what if Labour, care to explain that?
posted on 6/5/20
I'm with you on that but it's not our politics to get involved in.
We haven't even got a government.
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