Wow, Rooneys stock sure has fallen.
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
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comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by *AreYouDumbStupidOrDumbHuh? (U18359)
posted 5 minutes ago
The art of defending is more difficult in today's era imo. Tackling from behind pretty much outlawed, more play acting, diving and now the introduction of var meaning nearly everything is punishable. Players like Vidic and Terry would struggle more imo
Also Kane will go down as PL top scorer some day, Aguero has one of the best goals to game ratios and Rushfords better than Mbappe, so the argument that the strikers are not as good also falls down here im afraid.
I'm not saying he's the best ever btw but he probably will be right up there in the end
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You’ve listed two players only Aguero & Kane so I don’t see how that argument falls down when you think of players from 2003-2010 say.
Interesting point on the art of defending being more difficult, yes I think Terry & Vidic styles would suffer more now. Rio would be the Rolls Royce that he was in his day.
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Give me another 5 years and I'll list the rest. Wide forwards like Hazard and Sterling will go down as greats too
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It's silly even comparing what a defender faces today with names such as Bergkamp and suarez etc
Them two alone have a ten year gap between when they joined their teams. Sterling and hazard fit into that class bracket already I think. I'm not saying they are better but equally as effective at the highest level for their teams.
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I don’t think these comparisons are that mad. It’s not like George Best/Pele vs modern times
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No but suggesting what's about now is compared to a list of players over a 10-15 yr period is a bit unfair.
comment by Wahl Icht - Greatmanagerswinthetreble (U22332)
posted 8 minutes ago
Wow, Rooneys stock sure has fallen.
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I think people forget how good he was because his career fizzled out quite early.
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Wahl Icht - Greatmanagerswinthetreble (U22332)
posted 8 minutes ago
Wow, Rooneys stock sure has fallen.
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I think people forget how good he was because his career fizzled out quite early.
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This
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 4 hours, 16 minutes ago
So you believe the experts would say that the likes of Chelsea's, Arsenal's, United's etc front 2 of yesteryear is better than the likes of Mane, Salah, Firmino and Sterling, Aguero, Mahrez of today?
Rooney was quality back in the day, of course he was yes, but Vardy is also a nightmare to face. They are very different strikers playing at very different clubs, but it doesn't mean to say one is "worse" than the other because of their styles of play. Unpopular opinion as I have gathered.
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I believe that experts would say that the list of extremely top level strikers was a longer list back then than it is now and therefore defenders were facing more Aguero level strikers than they are now. That could change over the coming years like I’ve said.
Not managed to read all the replies but on VVD, I kinda get people saying he's only done it for two and a half years but if that was true why did we pay £75m for him?
On strikers, or amount of them, yeah there is less but you have more versatile players scoring the same numbers like Mane, Sterling, Sancho, Salah, Bale and could probably throw in the likes of Neymar and Messi. Is it harder to defend against movement rather than trying to dominate a singular opponent? There's a reason cbs are leaner and better on the deck now and forwards are better protected too.
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posted on 14/6/20
Wow, Rooneys stock sure has fallen.
posted on 14/6/20
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 hours, 54 minutes ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by *AreYouDumbStupidOrDumbHuh? (U18359)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by *AreYouDumbStupidOrDumbHuh? (U18359)
posted 5 minutes ago
The art of defending is more difficult in today's era imo. Tackling from behind pretty much outlawed, more play acting, diving and now the introduction of var meaning nearly everything is punishable. Players like Vidic and Terry would struggle more imo
Also Kane will go down as PL top scorer some day, Aguero has one of the best goals to game ratios and Rushfords better than Mbappe, so the argument that the strikers are not as good also falls down here im afraid.
I'm not saying he's the best ever btw but he probably will be right up there in the end
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You’ve listed two players only Aguero & Kane so I don’t see how that argument falls down when you think of players from 2003-2010 say.
Interesting point on the art of defending being more difficult, yes I think Terry & Vidic styles would suffer more now. Rio would be the Rolls Royce that he was in his day.
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Give me another 5 years and I'll list the rest. Wide forwards like Hazard and Sterling will go down as greats too
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It's silly even comparing what a defender faces today with names such as Bergkamp and suarez etc
Them two alone have a ten year gap between when they joined their teams. Sterling and hazard fit into that class bracket already I think. I'm not saying they are better but equally as effective at the highest level for their teams.
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I don’t think these comparisons are that mad. It’s not like George Best/Pele vs modern times
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No but suggesting what's about now is compared to a list of players over a 10-15 yr period is a bit unfair.
posted on 14/6/20
comment by Wahl Icht - Greatmanagerswinthetreble (U22332)
posted 8 minutes ago
Wow, Rooneys stock sure has fallen.
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I think people forget how good he was because his career fizzled out quite early.
posted on 14/6/20
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Wahl Icht - Greatmanagerswinthetreble (U22332)
posted 8 minutes ago
Wow, Rooneys stock sure has fallen.
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I think people forget how good he was because his career fizzled out quite early.
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posted on 14/6/20
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 4 hours, 16 minutes ago
So you believe the experts would say that the likes of Chelsea's, Arsenal's, United's etc front 2 of yesteryear is better than the likes of Mane, Salah, Firmino and Sterling, Aguero, Mahrez of today?
Rooney was quality back in the day, of course he was yes, but Vardy is also a nightmare to face. They are very different strikers playing at very different clubs, but it doesn't mean to say one is "worse" than the other because of their styles of play. Unpopular opinion as I have gathered.
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I believe that experts would say that the list of extremely top level strikers was a longer list back then than it is now and therefore defenders were facing more Aguero level strikers than they are now. That could change over the coming years like I’ve said.
posted on 14/6/20
Not managed to read all the replies but on VVD, I kinda get people saying he's only done it for two and a half years but if that was true why did we pay £75m for him?
On strikers, or amount of them, yeah there is less but you have more versatile players scoring the same numbers like Mane, Sterling, Sancho, Salah, Bale and could probably throw in the likes of Neymar and Messi. Is it harder to defend against movement rather than trying to dominate a singular opponent? There's a reason cbs are leaner and better on the deck now and forwards are better protected too.
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