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comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
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it's about sub-conscious bias
________________________
This is the key bit for me.
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Good luck proving that. How can you alter something that someone may or may not have without any conscious control themselves.
How does that conversation even go?
A. You believe that because of this?
B. No, I don't.
A. Yes you do. You just don't know it.
B. Errrrm
Seriously, wtf.
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Funny you should say that - it's something I've been involved with in work.
BAME junior doctors have statistically worse outcomes in training than white doctors. Even those who were born in the UK and have been through UK medical schools.
Is the NHS racist? Not in my opinion. But is there something within the system that disadvantages BAME doctors? It's hard to argue against that when the numbers are so consistent.
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I really don't want to get into this as it goes down an ugly road. 👍
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Shall I translate this comment?
comment by Benjamin Kallman (U1734)
posted 1 second ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 10 minutes ago
it's about sub-conscious bias
________________________
This is the key bit for me.
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Good luck proving that. How can you alter something that someone may or may not have without any conscious control themselves.
How does that conversation even go?
A. You believe that because of this?
B. No, I don't.
A. Yes you do. You just don't know it.
B. Errrrm
Seriously, wtf.
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Funny you should say that - it's something I've been involved with in work.
BAME junior doctors have statistically worse outcomes in training than white doctors. Even those who were born in the UK and have been through UK medical schools.
Is the NHS racist? Not in my opinion. But is there something within the system that disadvantages BAME doctors? It's hard to argue against that when the numbers are so consistent.
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I really don't want to get into this as it goes down an ugly road. 👍
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Shall I translate this comment?
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I think you’re thinking what i’m thinking
In the spirit of Twexit will someone please make JA606 Gammons.
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 51 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 10 minutes ago
it's about sub-conscious bias
________________________
This is the key bit for me.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Good luck proving that. How can you alter something that someone may or may not have without any conscious control themselves.
How does that conversation even go?
A. You believe that because of this?
B. No, I don't.
A. Yes you do. You just don't know it.
B. Errrrm
Seriously, wtf.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Funny you should say that - it's something I've been involved with in work.
BAME junior doctors have statistically worse outcomes in training than white doctors. Even those who were born in the UK and have been through UK medical schools.
Is the NHS racist? Not in my opinion. But is there something within the system that disadvantages BAME doctors? It's hard to argue against that when the numbers are so consistent.
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Fair call, but are you putting black, Asian etc altogether there, Ivan?
In schools, white boys in the UK are bottom of class annually, so are they victims of racism and disadvantaged...same with uni entry too?
Class and money and family play big roles, imo.
comment by super phoenix rangers - Blacklivesmatter (U14864)
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comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 10 minutes ago
it's about sub-conscious bias
________________________
This is the key bit for me.
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Good luck proving that. How can you alter something that someone may or may not have without any conscious control themselves.
How does that conversation even go?
A. You believe that because of this?
B. No, I don't.
A. Yes you do. You just don't know it.
B. Errrrm
Seriously, wtf.
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Funny you should say that - it's something I've been involved with in work.
BAME junior doctors have statistically worse outcomes in training than white doctors. Even those who were born in the UK and have been through UK medical schools.
Is the NHS racist? Not in my opinion. But is there something within the system that disadvantages BAME doctors? It's hard to argue against that when the numbers are so consistent.
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Yet they make up a disproportionate amount of front line doctors yet little or no representation at senior or leadership level. There is certainly something pointing to a bias.
Also worth noting that due to BAME people making up a disproportionate amount of front line doctors they have been nearly 70% of frontline NHS death's.
Some scary numbers that do point to inequality in the NHS
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BlM supporter on Victoria Derbyshire said the NHS was racist and did not save black covid patients...that is why I query some BLM claims and backers.
94 per of doctors dying from c8vid were from bame, so it is more than socio-economic factors here or family and culture.
Research may show of There is a genetic issue at play.
At the start of covid19 I pointed out bame suffered most, way before BLM latched on and made it "racist" and before BLM brought bame out on streets close 5ogether to break lockdown rules across UK, America and Europe.
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comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 10 minutes ago
it's about sub-conscious bias
________________________
This is the key bit for me.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Good luck proving that. How can you alter something that someone may or may not have without any conscious control themselves.
How does that conversation even go?
A. You believe that because of this?
B. No, I don't.
A. Yes you do. You just don't know it.
B. Errrrm
Seriously, wtf.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Funny you should say that - it's something I've been involved with in work.
BAME junior doctors have statistically worse outcomes in training than white doctors. Even those who were born in the UK and have been through UK medical schools.
Is the NHS racist? Not in my opinion. But is there something within the system that disadvantages BAME doctors? It's hard to argue against that when the numbers are so consistent.
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I really don't want to get into this as it goes down an ugly road. 👍
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No worries, I went down it for you, corporal JS.
Commanders must lead.
comment by HB Fash - GERRARD OUT (U21935)
posted 12 minutes ago
In the spirit of Twexit will someone please make JA606 Gammons.
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Que
Gammons= racist term used to describe white people who voted for brexit.
70% of Labour areas were leave....
Why do the left lose to May and Bojo clowns?
No worries, I went down it for you, corporal JS.
Commanders must lead.
Jaysus
In schools, white boys in the UK are bottom of class annually, so are they victims of racism and disadvantaged...same with uni entry too?
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Correct me if wrong but I think I heard that UCAS applications are identity stripped when being considered by universities?
The exception may be when some unis are positively discriminating schools of low attainment?
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 41 minutes ago
Gammons= racist term used to describe white people who voted for brexit.
70% of Labour areas were leave....
Why do the left lose to May and Bojo clowns?
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Gammons is racist
Only a Gammon would say that.
comment by HB Fash - GERRARD OUT (U21935)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 41 minutes ago
Gammons= racist term used to describe white people who voted for brexit.
70% of Labour areas were leave....
Why do the left lose to May and Bojo clowns?
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Gammons is racist
Only a Gammon would say that.
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To be fair the unwritten rule seems to be if the recipient perceives it is racist then it is?
Decent discussion on this article.
Tbbab - at no point did I call you racist but you can't brush off that blacks have extra hurdles to overcome in the UK. I am fed up saying that white privilege does not mean whites are all rich with amazing upbringings it simply means that they have less hurdles to overcome.
Anyone who wants to be racist uses ALM to ignore the fact and divert attention.
The fact that I posted a big post about it but the thing I was challenged on was mentioning Indian and Pakistani racism - correct it is racism what I mentioned - absolutely. However, picking that up and ignoring the rest is the same as picking up someone's spelling when you can't argue with the point
But good to see some sensible discussion on here from most apart from those who bury their head in the sand and point to individual cases against white people.
Criminals are criminals and should be arrested, jailed etc. It does not mean that they should be shot on the spot or killed without it being a life threatening situation. Cops have a tough job to do without what is going on right now. Thankfully the bad cop stuff seems mostly confined to America.
We need to be able to separate criminals from race. We need to separate poverty and upbringing from potential to improve. We need to stop empowering widescale bias against blacks by using one example the other way as if it justifies it.
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash - GERRARD OUT (U21935)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 41 minutes ago
Gammons= racist term used to describe white people who voted for brexit.
70% of Labour areas were leave....
Why do the left lose to May and Bojo clowns?
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Gammons is racist
Only a Gammon would say that.
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To be fair the unwritten rule seems to be if the recipient perceives it is racist then it is?
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It's specific to a persons politics, age and red facedness.
So it only applies to old right wingers which as far as i am aware are not a race.
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 22 minutes ago
In schools, white boys in the UK are bottom of class annually, so are they victims of racism and disadvantaged...same with uni entry too?
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Correct me if wrong but I think I heard that UCAS applications are identity stripped when being considered by universities?
The exception may be when some unis are positively discriminating schools of low attainment?
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Possibly bud, but at school, Ofsted keep annual reports which would surely reflect uni entry via A-level results.
Black and Asian and Chinese graduates are way ahead of white working class pupils in UK.
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash - GERRARD OUT (U21935)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 41 minutes ago
Gammons= racist term used to describe white people who voted for brexit.
70% of Labour areas were leave....
Why do the left lose to May and Bojo clowns?
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Gammons is racist
Only a Gammon would say that.
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To be fair the unwritten rule seems to be if the recipient perceives it is racist then it is?
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This, if you apply the new rationale on racism or offence and I do not take offence at Gammon, but it is often a posh middle class put down from white liberal remainers......snobbery.
comment by HB Fash - GERRARD OUT (U21935)
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comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash - GERRARD OUT (U21935)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 41 minutes ago
Gammons= racist term used to describe white people who voted for brexit.
70% of Labour areas were leave....
Why do the left lose to May and Bojo clowns?
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Gammons is racist
Only a Gammon would say that.
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To be fair the unwritten rule seems to be if the recipient perceives it is racist then it is?
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It's specific to a persons politics, age and red facedness.
So it only applies to old right wingers which as far as i am aware are not a race.
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No, they are red faced white folk.
Regarded as common, redneck types, by progressive white remainers, lol
Black and Asian people voted leave, btw.
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comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash - GERRARD OUT (U21935)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 41 minutes ago
Gammons= racist term used to describe white people who voted for brexit.
70% of Labour areas were leave....
Why do the left lose to May and Bojo clowns?
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Gammons is racist
Only a Gammon would say that.
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To be fair the unwritten rule seems to be if the recipient perceives it is racist then it is?
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It's specific to a persons politics, age and red facedness.
So it only applies to old right wingers which as far as i am aware are not a race.
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Read discrimination legislation in the workplace, where Gammon insults age, political viewpoint and appearance too, LMAO.
Dearie me, guvnor
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comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 41 minutes ago
Gammons= racist term used to describe white people who voted for brexit.
70% of Labour areas were leave....
Why do the left lose to May and Bojo clowns?
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Gammons is racist
Only a Gammon would say that.
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To be fair the unwritten rule seems to be if the recipient perceives it is racist then it is?
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It's specific to a persons politics, age and red facedness.
So it only applies to old right wingers which as far as i am aware are not a race.
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No, they are red faced white folk.
Regarded as common, redneck types, by progressive white remainers, lol
Black and Asian people voted leave, btw.
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Nobody said they weren't white so i'm not sure what you disagreed with.
You're correct it applies to common, redneck types with big bulging red faces and right wing opinions therefore not a race.
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comment by HB Fash - GERRARD OUT (U21935)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash - GERRARD OUT (U21935)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 41 minutes ago
Gammons= racist term used to describe white people who voted for brexit.
70% of Labour areas were leave....
Why do the left lose to May and Bojo clowns?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Gammons is racist
Only a Gammon would say that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To be fair the unwritten rule seems to be if the recipient perceives it is racist then it is?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's specific to a persons politics, age and red facedness.
So it only applies to old right wingers which as far as i am aware are not a race.
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Read discrimination legislation in the workplace, where Gammon insults age, political viewpoint and appearance too, LMAO.
Dearie me, guvnor
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Gammon is still not a race, they are discriminated against for their opinions.
A red faced left winger isn't a gammon.
comment by Call Sign: Clarence (U3627)
posted 18 minutes ago
Decent discussion on this article.
Tbbab - at no point did I call you racist but you can't brush off that blacks have extra hurdles to overcome in the UK. I am fed up saying that white privilege does not mean whites are all rich with amazing upbringings it simply means that they have less hurdles to overcome.
Anyone who wants to be racist uses ALM to ignore the fact and divert attention.
The fact that I posted a big post about it but the thing I was challenged on was mentioning Indian and Pakistani racism - correct it is racism what I mentioned - absolutely. However, picking that up and ignoring the rest is the same as picking up someone's spelling when you can't argue with the point
But good to see some sensible discussion on here from most apart from those who bury their head in the sand and point to individual cases against white people.
Criminals are criminals and should be arrested, jailed etc. It does not mean that they should be shot on the spot or killed without it being a life threatening situation. Cops have a tough job to do without what is going on right now. Thankfully the bad cop stuff seems mostly confined to America.
We need to be able to separate criminals from race. We need to separate poverty and upbringing from potential to improve. We need to stop empowering widescale bias against blacks by using one example the other way as if it justifies it.
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Sorry bud, I am not saying you are calling me racist and believe me, I have studied the subject from far right to far left and black power to MLK to Rosa Parks and now BLM..
I know what they mean by white privilege adding race to other barriers in life.
I support equality and believe we are all created equally
...no exceptions.
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by Call Sign: Clarence (U3627)
posted 18 minutes ago
Decent discussion on this article.
Tbbab - at no point did I call you racist but you can't brush off that blacks have extra hurdles to overcome in the UK. I am fed up saying that white privilege does not mean whites are all rich with amazing upbringings it simply means that they have less hurdles to overcome.
Anyone who wants to be racist uses ALM to ignore the fact and divert attention.
The fact that I posted a big post about it but the thing I was challenged on was mentioning Indian and Pakistani racism - correct it is racism what I mentioned - absolutely. However, picking that up and ignoring the rest is the same as picking up someone's spelling when you can't argue with the point
But good to see some sensible discussion on here from most apart from those who bury their head in the sand and point to individual cases against white people.
Criminals are criminals and should be arrested, jailed etc. It does not mean that they should be shot on the spot or killed without it being a life threatening situation. Cops have a tough job to do without what is going on right now. Thankfully the bad cop stuff seems mostly confined to America.
We need to be able to separate criminals from race. We need to separate poverty and upbringing from potential to improve. We need to stop empowering widescale bias against blacks by using one example the other way as if it justifies it.
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Sorry bud, I am not saying you are calling me racist and believe me, I have studied the subject from far right to far left and black power to MLK to Rosa Parks and now BLM..
I know what they mean by white privilege adding race to other barriers in life.
I support equality and believe we are all created equally
...no exceptions.
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It's like Karen's now claiming it's a race thing because it applies to them and has negative connotations.
You can choose not to be Karen, you can choose not to be a Gammon. You cannot choose the colour of your skin.
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comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by HB Fash - GERRARD OUT (U21935)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash - GERRARD OUT (U21935)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 41 minutes ago
Gammons= racist term used to describe white people who voted for brexit.
70% of Labour areas were leave....
Why do the left lose to May and Bojo clowns?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Gammons is racist
Only a Gammon would say that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To be fair the unwritten rule seems to be if the recipient perceives it is racist then it is?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's specific to a persons politics, age and red facedness.
So it only applies to old right wingers which as far as i am aware are not a race.
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Read discrimination legislation in the workplace, where Gammon insults age, political viewpoint and appearance too, LMAO.
Dearie me, guvnor
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Gammon is still not a race, they are discriminated against for their opinions.
A red faced left winger isn't a gammon.
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Of course it's not a race, but like coconut not being a race, it's a put down to POC who are viewed as race traitors, and a racial slur.
You admitted Gammon was a dig at older, right wing people , who voted a certain way and have a particular appearance...hardly PC is it, lol.
Not a race though, granted.
Bit like ch@v...another middle class put down for the "common people ", who used to be backed up by Labour.
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comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
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comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 10 minutes ago
it's about sub-conscious bias
________________________
This is the key bit for me.
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Good luck proving that. How can you alter something that someone may or may not have without any conscious control themselves.
How does that conversation even go?
A. You believe that because of this?
B. No, I don't.
A. Yes you do. You just don't know it.
B. Errrrm
Seriously, wtf.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Funny you should say that - it's something I've been involved with in work.
BAME junior doctors have statistically worse outcomes in training than white doctors. Even those who were born in the UK and have been through UK medical schools.
Is the NHS racist? Not in my opinion. But is there something within the system that disadvantages BAME doctors? It's hard to argue against that when the numbers are so consistent.
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I really don't want to get into this as it goes down an ugly road. 👍
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Shall I translate this comment?
posted on 23/6/20
comment by Benjamin Kallman (U1734)
posted 1 second ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 10 minutes ago
it's about sub-conscious bias
________________________
This is the key bit for me.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Good luck proving that. How can you alter something that someone may or may not have without any conscious control themselves.
How does that conversation even go?
A. You believe that because of this?
B. No, I don't.
A. Yes you do. You just don't know it.
B. Errrrm
Seriously, wtf.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Funny you should say that - it's something I've been involved with in work.
BAME junior doctors have statistically worse outcomes in training than white doctors. Even those who were born in the UK and have been through UK medical schools.
Is the NHS racist? Not in my opinion. But is there something within the system that disadvantages BAME doctors? It's hard to argue against that when the numbers are so consistent.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I really don't want to get into this as it goes down an ugly road. 👍
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Shall I translate this comment?
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I think you’re thinking what i’m thinking
posted on 23/6/20
In the spirit of Twexit will someone please make JA606 Gammons.
posted on 23/6/20
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 51 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 10 minutes ago
it's about sub-conscious bias
________________________
This is the key bit for me.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Good luck proving that. How can you alter something that someone may or may not have without any conscious control themselves.
How does that conversation even go?
A. You believe that because of this?
B. No, I don't.
A. Yes you do. You just don't know it.
B. Errrrm
Seriously, wtf.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Funny you should say that - it's something I've been involved with in work.
BAME junior doctors have statistically worse outcomes in training than white doctors. Even those who were born in the UK and have been through UK medical schools.
Is the NHS racist? Not in my opinion. But is there something within the system that disadvantages BAME doctors? It's hard to argue against that when the numbers are so consistent.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Fair call, but are you putting black, Asian etc altogether there, Ivan?
In schools, white boys in the UK are bottom of class annually, so are they victims of racism and disadvantaged...same with uni entry too?
Class and money and family play big roles, imo.
posted on 23/6/20
comment by super phoenix rangers - Blacklivesmatter (U14864)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 10 minutes ago
it's about sub-conscious bias
________________________
This is the key bit for me.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Good luck proving that. How can you alter something that someone may or may not have without any conscious control themselves.
How does that conversation even go?
A. You believe that because of this?
B. No, I don't.
A. Yes you do. You just don't know it.
B. Errrrm
Seriously, wtf.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Funny you should say that - it's something I've been involved with in work.
BAME junior doctors have statistically worse outcomes in training than white doctors. Even those who were born in the UK and have been through UK medical schools.
Is the NHS racist? Not in my opinion. But is there something within the system that disadvantages BAME doctors? It's hard to argue against that when the numbers are so consistent.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yet they make up a disproportionate amount of front line doctors yet little or no representation at senior or leadership level. There is certainly something pointing to a bias.
Also worth noting that due to BAME people making up a disproportionate amount of front line doctors they have been nearly 70% of frontline NHS death's.
Some scary numbers that do point to inequality in the NHS
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BlM supporter on Victoria Derbyshire said the NHS was racist and did not save black covid patients...that is why I query some BLM claims and backers.
94 per of doctors dying from c8vid were from bame, so it is more than socio-economic factors here or family and culture.
Research may show of There is a genetic issue at play.
At the start of covid19 I pointed out bame suffered most, way before BLM latched on and made it "racist" and before BLM brought bame out on streets close 5ogether to break lockdown rules across UK, America and Europe.
posted on 23/6/20
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 10 minutes ago
it's about sub-conscious bias
________________________
This is the key bit for me.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Good luck proving that. How can you alter something that someone may or may not have without any conscious control themselves.
How does that conversation even go?
A. You believe that because of this?
B. No, I don't.
A. Yes you do. You just don't know it.
B. Errrrm
Seriously, wtf.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Funny you should say that - it's something I've been involved with in work.
BAME junior doctors have statistically worse outcomes in training than white doctors. Even those who were born in the UK and have been through UK medical schools.
Is the NHS racist? Not in my opinion. But is there something within the system that disadvantages BAME doctors? It's hard to argue against that when the numbers are so consistent.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I really don't want to get into this as it goes down an ugly road. 👍
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No worries, I went down it for you, corporal JS.
Commanders must lead.
posted on 23/6/20
comment by HB Fash - GERRARD OUT (U21935)
posted 12 minutes ago
In the spirit of Twexit will someone please make JA606 Gammons.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Que
posted on 23/6/20
Gammons= racist term used to describe white people who voted for brexit.
70% of Labour areas were leave....
Why do the left lose to May and Bojo clowns?
posted on 23/6/20
No worries, I went down it for you, corporal JS.
Commanders must lead.
Jaysus
posted on 23/6/20
In schools, white boys in the UK are bottom of class annually, so are they victims of racism and disadvantaged...same with uni entry too?
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Correct me if wrong but I think I heard that UCAS applications are identity stripped when being considered by universities?
The exception may be when some unis are positively discriminating schools of low attainment?
posted on 23/6/20
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 41 minutes ago
Gammons= racist term used to describe white people who voted for brexit.
70% of Labour areas were leave....
Why do the left lose to May and Bojo clowns?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Gammons is racist
Only a Gammon would say that.
posted on 23/6/20
comment by HB Fash - GERRARD OUT (U21935)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 41 minutes ago
Gammons= racist term used to describe white people who voted for brexit.
70% of Labour areas were leave....
Why do the left lose to May and Bojo clowns?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Gammons is racist
Only a Gammon would say that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To be fair the unwritten rule seems to be if the recipient perceives it is racist then it is?
posted on 23/6/20
Decent discussion on this article.
Tbbab - at no point did I call you racist but you can't brush off that blacks have extra hurdles to overcome in the UK. I am fed up saying that white privilege does not mean whites are all rich with amazing upbringings it simply means that they have less hurdles to overcome.
Anyone who wants to be racist uses ALM to ignore the fact and divert attention.
The fact that I posted a big post about it but the thing I was challenged on was mentioning Indian and Pakistani racism - correct it is racism what I mentioned - absolutely. However, picking that up and ignoring the rest is the same as picking up someone's spelling when you can't argue with the point
But good to see some sensible discussion on here from most apart from those who bury their head in the sand and point to individual cases against white people.
Criminals are criminals and should be arrested, jailed etc. It does not mean that they should be shot on the spot or killed without it being a life threatening situation. Cops have a tough job to do without what is going on right now. Thankfully the bad cop stuff seems mostly confined to America.
We need to be able to separate criminals from race. We need to separate poverty and upbringing from potential to improve. We need to stop empowering widescale bias against blacks by using one example the other way as if it justifies it.
posted on 23/6/20
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash - GERRARD OUT (U21935)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 41 minutes ago
Gammons= racist term used to describe white people who voted for brexit.
70% of Labour areas were leave....
Why do the left lose to May and Bojo clowns?
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Gammons is racist
Only a Gammon would say that.
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To be fair the unwritten rule seems to be if the recipient perceives it is racist then it is?
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It's specific to a persons politics, age and red facedness.
So it only applies to old right wingers which as far as i am aware are not a race.
posted on 23/6/20
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 22 minutes ago
In schools, white boys in the UK are bottom of class annually, so are they victims of racism and disadvantaged...same with uni entry too?
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Correct me if wrong but I think I heard that UCAS applications are identity stripped when being considered by universities?
The exception may be when some unis are positively discriminating schools of low attainment?
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Possibly bud, but at school, Ofsted keep annual reports which would surely reflect uni entry via A-level results.
Black and Asian and Chinese graduates are way ahead of white working class pupils in UK.
posted on 23/6/20
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash - GERRARD OUT (U21935)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 41 minutes ago
Gammons= racist term used to describe white people who voted for brexit.
70% of Labour areas were leave....
Why do the left lose to May and Bojo clowns?
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Gammons is racist
Only a Gammon would say that.
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To be fair the unwritten rule seems to be if the recipient perceives it is racist then it is?
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This, if you apply the new rationale on racism or offence and I do not take offence at Gammon, but it is often a posh middle class put down from white liberal remainers......snobbery.
posted on 23/6/20
comment by HB Fash - GERRARD OUT (U21935)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash - GERRARD OUT (U21935)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 41 minutes ago
Gammons= racist term used to describe white people who voted for brexit.
70% of Labour areas were leave....
Why do the left lose to May and Bojo clowns?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Gammons is racist
Only a Gammon would say that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To be fair the unwritten rule seems to be if the recipient perceives it is racist then it is?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's specific to a persons politics, age and red facedness.
So it only applies to old right wingers which as far as i am aware are not a race.
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No, they are red faced white folk.
Regarded as common, redneck types, by progressive white remainers, lol
Black and Asian people voted leave, btw.
posted on 23/6/20
comment by HB Fash - GERRARD OUT (U21935)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash - GERRARD OUT (U21935)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 41 minutes ago
Gammons= racist term used to describe white people who voted for brexit.
70% of Labour areas were leave....
Why do the left lose to May and Bojo clowns?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Gammons is racist
Only a Gammon would say that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To be fair the unwritten rule seems to be if the recipient perceives it is racist then it is?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's specific to a persons politics, age and red facedness.
So it only applies to old right wingers which as far as i am aware are not a race.
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Read discrimination legislation in the workplace, where Gammon insults age, political viewpoint and appearance too, LMAO.
Dearie me, guvnor
posted on 23/6/20
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash - GERRARD OUT (U21935)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash - GERRARD OUT (U21935)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 41 minutes ago
Gammons= racist term used to describe white people who voted for brexit.
70% of Labour areas were leave....
Why do the left lose to May and Bojo clowns?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Gammons is racist
Only a Gammon would say that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To be fair the unwritten rule seems to be if the recipient perceives it is racist then it is?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's specific to a persons politics, age and red facedness.
So it only applies to old right wingers which as far as i am aware are not a race.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No, they are red faced white folk.
Regarded as common, redneck types, by progressive white remainers, lol
Black and Asian people voted leave, btw.
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Nobody said they weren't white so i'm not sure what you disagreed with.
You're correct it applies to common, redneck types with big bulging red faces and right wing opinions therefore not a race.
posted on 23/6/20
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by HB Fash - GERRARD OUT (U21935)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash - GERRARD OUT (U21935)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 41 minutes ago
Gammons= racist term used to describe white people who voted for brexit.
70% of Labour areas were leave....
Why do the left lose to May and Bojo clowns?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Gammons is racist
Only a Gammon would say that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To be fair the unwritten rule seems to be if the recipient perceives it is racist then it is?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's specific to a persons politics, age and red facedness.
So it only applies to old right wingers which as far as i am aware are not a race.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Read discrimination legislation in the workplace, where Gammon insults age, political viewpoint and appearance too, LMAO.
Dearie me, guvnor
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Gammon is still not a race, they are discriminated against for their opinions.
A red faced left winger isn't a gammon.
posted on 23/6/20
comment by Call Sign: Clarence (U3627)
posted 18 minutes ago
Decent discussion on this article.
Tbbab - at no point did I call you racist but you can't brush off that blacks have extra hurdles to overcome in the UK. I am fed up saying that white privilege does not mean whites are all rich with amazing upbringings it simply means that they have less hurdles to overcome.
Anyone who wants to be racist uses ALM to ignore the fact and divert attention.
The fact that I posted a big post about it but the thing I was challenged on was mentioning Indian and Pakistani racism - correct it is racism what I mentioned - absolutely. However, picking that up and ignoring the rest is the same as picking up someone's spelling when you can't argue with the point
But good to see some sensible discussion on here from most apart from those who bury their head in the sand and point to individual cases against white people.
Criminals are criminals and should be arrested, jailed etc. It does not mean that they should be shot on the spot or killed without it being a life threatening situation. Cops have a tough job to do without what is going on right now. Thankfully the bad cop stuff seems mostly confined to America.
We need to be able to separate criminals from race. We need to separate poverty and upbringing from potential to improve. We need to stop empowering widescale bias against blacks by using one example the other way as if it justifies it.
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Sorry bud, I am not saying you are calling me racist and believe me, I have studied the subject from far right to far left and black power to MLK to Rosa Parks and now BLM..
I know what they mean by white privilege adding race to other barriers in life.
I support equality and believe we are all created equally
...no exceptions.
posted on 23/6/20
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by Call Sign: Clarence (U3627)
posted 18 minutes ago
Decent discussion on this article.
Tbbab - at no point did I call you racist but you can't brush off that blacks have extra hurdles to overcome in the UK. I am fed up saying that white privilege does not mean whites are all rich with amazing upbringings it simply means that they have less hurdles to overcome.
Anyone who wants to be racist uses ALM to ignore the fact and divert attention.
The fact that I posted a big post about it but the thing I was challenged on was mentioning Indian and Pakistani racism - correct it is racism what I mentioned - absolutely. However, picking that up and ignoring the rest is the same as picking up someone's spelling when you can't argue with the point
But good to see some sensible discussion on here from most apart from those who bury their head in the sand and point to individual cases against white people.
Criminals are criminals and should be arrested, jailed etc. It does not mean that they should be shot on the spot or killed without it being a life threatening situation. Cops have a tough job to do without what is going on right now. Thankfully the bad cop stuff seems mostly confined to America.
We need to be able to separate criminals from race. We need to separate poverty and upbringing from potential to improve. We need to stop empowering widescale bias against blacks by using one example the other way as if it justifies it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sorry bud, I am not saying you are calling me racist and believe me, I have studied the subject from far right to far left and black power to MLK to Rosa Parks and now BLM..
I know what they mean by white privilege adding race to other barriers in life.
I support equality and believe we are all created equally
...no exceptions.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
posted on 23/6/20
It's like Karen's now claiming it's a race thing because it applies to them and has negative connotations.
You can choose not to be Karen, you can choose not to be a Gammon. You cannot choose the colour of your skin.
posted on 23/6/20
comment by HB Fash - GERRARD OUT (U21935)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by HB Fash - GERRARD OUT (U21935)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash - GERRARD OUT (U21935)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 41 minutes ago
Gammons= racist term used to describe white people who voted for brexit.
70% of Labour areas were leave....
Why do the left lose to May and Bojo clowns?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Gammons is racist
Only a Gammon would say that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To be fair the unwritten rule seems to be if the recipient perceives it is racist then it is?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's specific to a persons politics, age and red facedness.
So it only applies to old right wingers which as far as i am aware are not a race.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Read discrimination legislation in the workplace, where Gammon insults age, political viewpoint and appearance too, LMAO.
Dearie me, guvnor
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Gammon is still not a race, they are discriminated against for their opinions.
A red faced left winger isn't a gammon.
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Of course it's not a race, but like coconut not being a race, it's a put down to POC who are viewed as race traitors, and a racial slur.
You admitted Gammon was a dig at older, right wing people , who voted a certain way and have a particular appearance...hardly PC is it, lol.
Not a race though, granted.
Bit like ch@v...another middle class put down for the "common people ", who used to be backed up by Labour.
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