Winston, take responsibility. You created something out of nothing. You caused this.

Apologise. With no caveat. Accept you got it wrong, and then let it go.

Saying you will apologise but you doubt me, or that you only have my word for it renders the apology moot.

You jumped in and responded to me. I never mentioned you. No one else has jumped in and questioned my post. Only you. You took it personally. You didn’t have to. That was your choice. That you did is not on me. It’s on you.

Now, apologise with no caveat. No questioning my integrity. You got this seriously wrong. The fault lies with you. Own it.

Ripleys, I still believe I’m right, so no - I won’t do that.

You denying it without any credible explanation hasn’t changed that.

I accept I can’t know for sure. And frankly, it’s really rather not important.

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 50 seconds ago
Jesus wept.

Fields, there will be lots of people who are capable of going to the pub and being cautious.

Some won’t of course. Doesn’t many that many won’t, or indeed all.

It’s possible to have one drink and still drive, so using your own example, you’re wrong.

Of course, you’ll never admit this and you’ll find a way of making it a pointless circular argument, which I have no intention of getting sucked into.
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Winston as someone who worked in that business for years I can confidently say you are talking out of your hoop here. I’m sorry, but you just are.

A few drinks in and restrictions will go out the window leaving staff to face the backlash. It’s not even similar to going the shop. Opening up on a Saturday was a huge mistake as well. Luckily the weather hasn’t been great.

“ Of course, you’ll never admit this and you’ll find a way of making it a pointless circular argument, which I have no intention of getting sucked into.”

Irony

Not important? You are priceless.

You made this an issue. You. No one else.

You took my comment personally.

And now I’m having to defend my comment against someone to whom it was never made to in the first place.

You’ve made this all about you.

When it was never about you to begin with.

That is priceless Winston.

Fields, all I’ve said is that lots of people will be careful and stick to the guidelines.

So unless you’re saying that all people going to the pubs will behave irresponsibly then you agree with me.

If you are saying that then you’re talking nonsense.

I’ve already seen it today - walked past a pub with tables outside and it was all working well. A group left, drove away, clearly weren’t drunk and were clearly behaving well.

I’ve worked behind a bar as well. But this is a different situation and many people will respect that.

And no, it’s no ironic. I’ve walked away from you several times now because you’re not intelligent enough to understand why you’re wrong and because you always find a way of avoiding admitting you’ve made a mistake - you’ll drag it on for days if you get the chance.

This is another one of those occasions.

You’re talking sheite and I don’t need to argue for days to know that’s the case. You’re done, whether you realise it or not.

Yes Ripleys, I’m aware you’ll deny it.

Nonsensical reply.

You’re losing it Winston. You know you’ve messed up, and are now just trying to save face.

I think it’s best that you don’t reply to me in future. Nothing ever good comes from it from you when you do.

“ Fields, all I’ve said is that lots of people will be careful and stick to the guidelines.”

I can guarantee you plenty won’t. Go down Concert Sq, or any major high street on a Fri/Sat night at closing. It’s the perfect example of alcohol consumption and risk assessment/management being two things that inherently don’t go together.

They’ve thrown the staff under the bus opening on a Saturday as well.

You initially got it wrong making assumptions about my comment being about the majority when it didn’t mention it. Now you’re just being naive if you think the first Sat night Pissup in 3-4 months is going to be risk assessed and adhered to strictly by patrons.

To be honest I didn’t read the rest of your waffle. I imagine it’s the usual Winstonisms baiting into one of the usual ridiculous arguments you tell everyone you’ve moved on from following your latest ban. Your conversation with Ripley’s being another.

The media tomorrow will be awash with stories about fights and violence and drunken idiots. And pictures in the daily mail about pssd scantily clad women throughout the streets of Britain. It’s the story the media wants to run.

The vast majority of people are able to go out and just have a good time, and who are respectful of the situation that we are all currently in. But that doesn’t make headlines.

The idiots will make the headlines, and I am pretty certain that there will be enough of those idiots up and down the country that justify those headlines.

I agree with you fields. There will be a lot of people tonight who will ruin it for a lot more people.

It won’t be everyone. But it will be enough to create a headline. Up and down the country.

And those idiots justify the narrative that the media wants to run.

I said right at the outset, that the worst thing about this pandemic in this country are people. It’s people’s actions that are spreading this. Not the majority of people, but then a pandemic doesn’t need a majority of people in order to spread. All it needs is a minority of selfish idiots to do that.

And that minority of selfish idiots will be out tonight. And some of those will get into fights. Like they do every single (normal) weekend.

comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 24 minutes ago
Nonsensical reply.

You’re losing it Winston. You know you’ve messed up, and are now just trying to save face.

I think it’s best that you don’t reply to me in future. Nothing ever good comes from it from you when you do.
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No, I think you messed up and you can’t admit it.

I think you should read threads properly before commenting in future.

There we go. Doubling down.

Your apology is now meaningless. Because of what you just posted.

“ I agree with you fields. There will be a lot of people tonight who will ruin it for a lot more people.

It won’t be everyone. But it will be enough to create a headline. Up and down the country.”

It’s the staff I feel sorry for. It’s a shiite position to put them in.

Totally agree fields.

I do think that we are heading for another lockdown before all of this is over.

And I think that it will ultimately be more costly to the economy and more importantly lives as a result.

“I can guarantee you plenty won’t”

And I never said otherwise, Fields.

As I said - you’re simply not intelligent enough and you cannot ever admit you’re wrong.

If I chose to keep replying you’d be here for days.

It’s what you live for - arguing. The night Liverpool won the title you were scouring the forum looking for people to argue with.

Doesn’t get sadder than that and the days of me wasting hours arguing with you are gone.

comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 7 minutes ago
There we go. Doubling down.

Your apology is now meaningless. Because of what you just posted.


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Yeh, that’s fair.

I don’t mean any malice. I’m just quite convinced you were aiming that comment at me.

There wasn’t any other reason to make it.

Winston

More personal attacks. You’ve really changed since Admins banned you

“ As I said - you’re simply not intelligent enough and you cannot ever admit you’re wrong.”

What am I meant to be wrong about?

Answer this. Is you’re confident about it would you go and work in a Spoons tonight?

I live in quite a quiet village and walked past the pub earlier, they’ve set up the beer garden really well with a lot of distancing and it’s not the kind of place that anyone gets more than slightly merry. I’m not going down there myself but might do during the week.

If I was in the city centre though, not a chance I’d even consider it yet.

If you don’t mean any malice, then stop diving in with two feet. I never mentioned you. I never mentioned anyone. I just made a comment. Expressed an opinion.

Only one person jumped in that opinion. And that was you. And you took it personally. Assumed it was in response to something you wrote.

It wasn’t. It was just a comment I made.

You took it personally. That is your fault. I can’t control what you do take personally or not. That is entirely your own doing.

You apologised, saying you may have got it wrong but you don’t think you did.

That makes your apology worthless. “I am sorry if I misunderstood you but I don’t think I did, therefore I’m not sorry”

That’s what you have done.

And you litter your reply’s with little digs. Unecesssry digs, like I should read the thread properly, insinuating that it is my fault.

No. I’m not having that. I made one comment, provided my opinion. And you jumped on it.

It’s pathetic winston. And uncalled for.

But you just refuse to see it.

I’m sick of it. Your attitude stinks.

Ripleys, in my opinion there was no reason at all to make that comment other than in reference to what I’d said.

Don’t like it?

Whoopdeedoo. I really couldn’t care less and I don’t need the holier than thou crap from you about it.

Personally I think it’s you jumping on the offensive. Maybe you’ve had a beer.

Let’s remember that all I actually did was debate with you. If that debate was misplaced then it’s hardly a big deal and doesn’t justify this ridiculous reaction from you.

There we go. Antagonism and presumption.

Not necessary.

The bottom line is simple.

If you didn’t jump in and assume I was referring to you, then none of this would have happened.

You have a reputation here Winston. You. No one else has the reputation that you do.

Why is that?

Is it everyone else’s fault?

Or have you brought it upon yourself?

As I’ve said many times before Ripleys, I’ve brought a lot of it on myself, and that reputation is mostly to argue things for pages and pages, which to be fair I’ve cut out recently as I realised how stupid it was.

But that’s not really relevant here.

I think you were making that comment in response to what I’d said on the thread. I still believe that.

I tried to politely walk away but you decided to go on the offensive and seemed desperate for me to admit I was wrong.

And here we are.

A gross overreaction from you.

You know you are stubborn.

How many times do I have to say it. I never mentioned you. I made my comment about pubs and shops because i wanted to express MY OWN opinion

You (YOU) took that personally.

It’s nothing more than that..

You didn’t try to walk away politely. You walked away while saying I don’t believe you.

You are the one who was desperate to not lose face by simply saying “sorry ripleys, I thought it may have been about me, but accept what you say and accept that it wasn’t.

Instead you wanted to walk away by saying “if I got it done then I’m sorry but I don’t think I did get it wrong”

It’s pathetic Winston.

And it’s not necessary.

And I won’t apologise for defending myself against someone saying that I was having a dig a them when I wasn’t.

And then this shtshow happened, because you (YOU) then chose to follow that up with “well I still think you did”

It’s simply not necessary.

Ripleys, I never claimed you mentioned me.

I’m saying that the comment was in relation to mine. There was no other reason to make it.

Why would anyone just come out and say that going to the pub is not the same thing as going to the shops, when no one claimed it was? It makes no sense.

And I did try to leave it politely. I said apologies if I’d made a mistake but you then had to carry it on.

And defend yourself? From what?

I think you’ve had a beer and you’re getting all wound up for absolutely no reason.

I am perfectly entitled to believe what I do and I wasn’t remotely rude or aggressive in the way I expressed my opinion.

Your reaction is laughable. Literally.

I don’t really want to argue this for hours and I think the mood you’re in, this isn’t going anywhere decent any time soon, so I think perhaps I’ll leave you to it.

Maybe you’ll step back and look at who made this personal and who made this a bigger deal than it was though. It clearly isn’t me.

Oh dear lord.

You change the narrative as you go along.

I’ve had enough.

You can have the last word (if I keep it going you will too).

I said it when you come back from your ban. You have a crap reputation on here because you are so pedantic and pathetic. That’s your problem and it will be you who ends up having this kind of discussion again and again. Everyone else here only has these kinds of discussions with you. You are the common denominator. Well done. You’ve earned your reputation as a pedant. And embrace it you do.

I’ve said all I want to say. You will still reply because you are unable not to.


So, Make your last post to me worthwhile. Others will enjoy reading it. Me personally, you’re not worthy of any more of my time.

This thread has officially been Winstoned