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Sweden - https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12631416/swedens-coronavirus-herd-immunity-plan-vindicated/
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Agreed. Wouldn't have worked here due to the higher proportion of nutters and jakeballs.
I've spent a fair amount of time in Sweden. A different culture.

The outbreak at Tesco in Wishaw is a case in point. I don't believe that would happen to any great extent there. Happening every day here
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So the measure being put in place will be still ruined by the nutters and jakeballs we already have and then what next?

Maybe if we’d treated people responsibly at an earlier stage we’d react more responsibly.

Treating us like lab rats to be locked up or kicked out at the whim of governments and scientists who have no answer can’t be the right thing surely?
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Treating people responsibly isnt really an option for a large part of the population.
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Of course it is. We treat people responsibly not to break the law in serious crime. It happens but it’s not like the population ignores it. It’s a very tiny percentage.

Our “cure” is killing people. It’s also killing the entire economy as a side effect.
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Indeed. We need laws in society in general.
We need them in relation to covid too.
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Laws that have all those effects we now know?

Ok.

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Swedish Cv19 deaths per capita isn't exactly something to rave about:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/
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Surely the end game is important?

How long do you think we carry on like this?


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Can see sporadic and localised lockdowns continuing for some time mate.

Relative of mine started a course of medication the other week, which side effects were akin to cv19 symptoms.

As such they had to get a cv19 test, and while they waited to get test, and subsequent results the whole family, and everyone in related bubble had to self isolate.

Thankfully test came back negative.
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Good news

I think there is a much higher proportion of the population have either had or been subjected to it.

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comment by Silver (U6112)
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Sweden - https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12631416/swedens-coronavirus-herd-immunity-plan-vindicated/
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Agreed. Wouldn't have worked here due to the higher proportion of nutters and jakeballs.
I've spent a fair amount of time in Sweden. A different culture.

The outbreak at Tesco in Wishaw is a case in point. I don't believe that would happen to any great extent there. Happening every day here
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So the measure being put in place will be still ruined by the nutters and jakeballs we already have and then what next?

Maybe if we’d treated people responsibly at an earlier stage we’d react more responsibly.

Treating us like lab rats to be locked up or kicked out at the whim of governments and scientists who have no answer can’t be the right thing surely?
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Treating people responsibly isnt really an option for a large part of the population.
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Of course it is. We treat people responsibly not to break the law in serious crime. It happens but it’s not like the population ignores it. It’s a very tiny percentage.

Our “cure” is killing people. It’s also killing the entire economy as a side effect.
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It’s estimated 1 in 4 people aren’t self quarantining when they should be.

Responsible.
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Which demonstrates my point. We are being treated like lab rats.
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That’s quite a twist you’ve put on it.

It’s nothing like being treated like lab rats, when it’s a sensible request and easily followed guidance.

It absolutely proves the point that unless people in this country are monitored then they won’t follow guidance.

You don’t believe in a lot of the restrictions, and that’s your prerogative. You’ve been very vocal about many parts of that, but let’s not kid on that we have the same mindset as many of the Swedish and could have behaved in the same manner. You’re neither that naive nor that stupid.

I think.
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We mix in different circles.

The Swedish approach hasn't been successful. That's why we've not heard much about it for the last couple of months.

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The Swedish approach hasn't been successful. That's why we've not heard much about it for the last couple of months.
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By some measures, maybe? By others, maybe not?

And we still ain’t finished.

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The Swedish approach hasn't been successful. That's why we've not heard much about it for the last couple of months.
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Recent evidence states quite clearly that it has.

https://www.ft.com/content/7acfc5b8-d96f-455b-9f36-b70dc850428f

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Ta muchly.

Basically there's no evidence that they're doing better, and actually the reality is that at this moment in time they have greater restrictions in place than many places in Europe. They also until recently had the third highest rates in Europe.

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https://www.ft.com/content/7acfc5b8-d96f-455b-9f36-b70dc850428f
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/were-vindicated-say-swedes-after-coronavirus-cases-hit-new-low-lt3cmlhtg?shareToken=3b02042f4996f321fc7ca547c7308392

Newspapers are amusing aren’t they?

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Basically there's no evidence that they're doing better, and actually the reality is that at this moment in time they have greater restrictions in place than many places in Europe. They also until recently had the third highest rates in Europe.
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Basically the idea that Sweden has done the right thing has re-emerged is because the Telegraph ran a piece last week (followed by the Times this week) saying that they did the right thing because they've finally got their numbers below their Scandinavian neighbours last week.

Ginger - I've more faith in a FT piece than a piece in the Times on this particular subject. I expect the FT to be less partisan on the matter.

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I think I'm right in saying that their care home deaths were as bad as ours.

was there a reason why Germany have done so well?

It’s what you want to listen to. We’re clearly nowhere anything like the end of this so for anyone to try and imply that one method is better than anything else bar making everyone stay at home for a month around the whole world is way too premature. I obviously include myself in that. Nothing has been proven to be the “right way” unless you define it as a point in time which can be anything to the present day.

What is important (to me anyway) is how we want to live our lives when there is no end in sight.

I know how to behave responsibly and manage risk, as does my family. Of course there is an unknown but that in itself is part of everyday life.

Why should my civil liberties be put upon because other people act like idiots or because those that should take more care don’t?

I don’t go around hugging grannies or the like. I make sure our elderly relatives are happy with us visiting. If I see a bar bursting at the seams I’ll avoid it like the plague. I wash hands, use sanitiser, wear a mask (grudgingly) and mostly adhere to the rules. I won’t do this for the next 6-7 months though. My guard will relax.

I keep socially distant where required and it’s managed to serve me well. If others don’t want to take any risk that is their prerogative and their decision.

But this criminalisation if I do something “wrong” is ridiculous as is this open eyed walk into a far worse scenario with the knowledge of the devastating affects of what is yet to come from our measures.

comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
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was there a reason why Germany have done so well?
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What does “well” mean?

It’s just a moment in time and I think we all now know that we are nowhere near this ending.

comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
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was there a reason why Germany have done so well?
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Merkel is a scientist by trade

I think the Germans federalist set up possibly helped them. Also their ability to communicate effectively will have helped. I think they worked effectively to communicate supply chains etc that massively helped in terms of capacity across the country too.

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
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It’s what you want to listen to. We’re clearly nowhere anything like the end of this so for anyone to try and imply that one method is better than anything else bar making everyone stay at home for a month around the whole world is way too premature. I obviously include myself in that. Nothing has been proven to be the “right way” unless you define it as a point in time which can be anything to the present day.

What is important (to me anyway) is how we want to live our lives when there is no end in sight.

I know how to behave responsibly and manage risk, as does my family. Of course there is an unknown but that in itself is part of everyday life.

Why should my civil liberties be put upon because other people act like idiots or because those that should take more care don’t?

I don’t go around hugging grannies or the like. I make sure our elderly relatives are happy with us visiting. If I see a bar bursting at the seams I’ll avoid it like the plague.
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Indeed. I'm not worried about you. Its the guys in the bars that are bursting at the seams who need to be managed in some way.

comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
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Basically there's no evidence that they're doing better, and actually the reality is that at this moment in time they have greater restrictions in place than many places in Europe. They also until recently had the third highest rates in Europe.
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Ta.

Also, without reading it, the headline from the Times article says 'we're vindicated say Swedes'.

Surely self praise is no praise?!

As far as I'm aware, despite the different approaches taken and the varying results, no country has came out and said 'well, we made a rip roaring cvnt of that, didn't we?!'

Isn't it the decent thing that the healthy sacrifice a few freedoms for the sake of the vulnerable, rather than asking the vulnerable to sacrifice everything so we, the healthy, can do as we please?

What does “well” mean?

It’s just a moment in time and I think we all now know that we are nowhere near this ending.


They seem to have kept the death total reasonably low and seem to have had everything back and running for a while without a spike in numbers