Entirley agree, when I'm at games at Parkhead the fans are either on the players back if they are playing poorly and it makes them focus or get right behind them if they need a lift.
At bigger clubs with large supports it also puts pressure on the opposition, some of these games seem like training matches or U21 games I've attended, you make a good point 52
Hard to take that from today's games. The three better teams won, which is what normally happens anyhow. After the restart last season I remember reading the stats disproving this theory, several weeks in.
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 17 minutes ago
Hard to take that from today's games. The three better teams won, which is what normally happens anyhow. After the restart last season I remember reading the stats disproving this theory, several weeks in.
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I don't know about here but I remember after the German restart the point was made that there were far more away wins than usual.
The important thing is that if the season starts without crowds it should end without crowds. That way we have a level playing field for the entire campaign and unlike last season no integrity is lost.
Hard to judge. Liverpool would be firm favourites either way with the team Chelsea had available. Even with our strongest side most likely
The strongest teams won today who happen to also be the away sides.
Clearly having no crowd with be benefit away sides but today’s results don’t really prove that.
I dunno
Spurs hammering Southampton
And Brighton hammering Newcastle
Didn't seem on the cards to me.
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 46 minutes ago
Hard to take that from today's games. The three better teams won, which is what normally happens anyhow. After the restart last season I remember reading the stats disproving this theory, several weeks in.
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That's the whole point Toor , the best team often didn't win, because of crowds
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 17 minutes ago
Hard to take that from today's games. The three better teams won, which is what normally happens anyhow. After the restart last season I remember reading the stats disproving this theory, several weeks in.
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I don't know about here but I remember after the German restart the point was made that there were far more away wins than usual.
The important thing is that if the season starts without crowds it should end without crowds. That way we have a level playing field for the entire campaign and unlike last season no integrity is lost.
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What a load of bollox
First, half the clubs in the country would disappear without matchday revenue
And what's this сrap about "losing integrity"?
As long as the SAME rules apply to ALL clubs there can logically be no loss of integrity
It`s nothing but parody football without fans, and with the added farce of VAR, it is a comedy sham imitation of what football should be.
comment by Keep It Greasy - Music is the BEST (U1396)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 17 minutes ago
Hard to take that from today's games. The three better teams won, which is what normally happens anyhow. After the restart last season I remember reading the stats disproving this theory, several weeks in.
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I don't know about here but I remember after the German restart the point was made that there were far more away wins than usual.
The important thing is that if the season starts without crowds it should end without crowds. That way we have a level playing field for the entire campaign and unlike last season no integrity is lost.
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What a load of bollox
First, half the clubs in the country would disappear without matchday revenue
And what's this сrap about "losing integrity"?
As long as the SAME rules apply to ALL clubs there can logically be no loss of integrity
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Its not rocket science.
Heres an example, if Newcastle play Brighton without a home crowd roaring them on and giving them gbh of the earhole if they don't put a shift in then in the reverse fixture why should Brighton have the advantage that was lost to Newcastle?
If both games are played behind closed doors then there is no advantage to either team in either fixture. Hence no integrity is lost.
comment by Keep It Greasy - Music is the BEST (U1396)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 17 minutes ago
Hard to take that from today's games. The three better teams won, which is what normally happens anyhow. After the restart last season I remember reading the stats disproving this theory, several weeks in.
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I don't know about here but I remember after the German restart the point was made that there were far more away wins than usual.
The important thing is that if the season starts without crowds it should end without crowds. That way we have a level playing field for the entire campaign and unlike last season no integrity is lost.
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What a load of bollox
First, half the clubs in the country would disappear without matchday revenue
And what's this сrap about "losing integrity"?
As long as the SAME rules apply to ALL clubs there can logically be no loss of integrity
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Last season had zero integrity left, changing the rules part way through and carrying on as normal saw to that. Also, the same rules do not apply to all clubs, VAR has more than proved that
Leicester smashed Saints away last season with a crowd, today’s scored haven’t really proven anything.
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 21 seconds ago
Leicester smashed Saints away last season with a crowd, today’s scored haven’t really proven anything.
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Haha, thats clutching at straws.
I have no idea of the stats but in a normal season (crowd wise) I would guess that 90% of the teams in the top 4 divisions have a better home than away record and that is because of the advantage that a partisan home crowd brings.
Therefore if there are no supporters at any league fixture to keep it fair there should be none in the reverse match.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 51 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 46 minutes ago
Hard to take that from today's games. The three better teams won, which is what normally happens anyhow. After the restart last season I remember reading the stats disproving this theory, several weeks in.
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That's the whole point Toor , the best team often didn't win, because of crowds
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Well no that's not the point. The best team does normally win which is why they're the best team.
Pawl
Not really sure what your point is?
I’m saying today’s scored don’t prove no fans helps away teams. I think it’s obvious that it’ll have a negative effect on home sides but using today’s scores doesn’t prove it.
The beauty of football is that we can’t always predict the result and that still true without fans.
I wasn't saying it proved anything.
I clicked on to look at the scores and the three fini all had away wins, as did the championship game.
I wouldn't necessarily expect Spurs and Brighton to win so handsomely. So it crossed my mind being home may not be the advantage it was
.
It also crossed my mind next weekends game vs Brighton will be the walk over I was hoping for
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 6 minutes ago
Pawl
Not really sure what your point is?
I’m saying today’s scored don’t prove no fans helps away teams. I think it’s obvious that it’ll have a negative effect on home sides but using today’s scores doesn’t prove it.
The beauty of football is that we can’t always predict the result and that still true without fans.
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My point is that there will be many results and performances that will be affected by the lack of a home crowd. If Newcastle had turned in todays showing infront of a full St James Park they would have needed a police escort to get to the dressing rooms.
Over the course of a 38 game season IMO this will lead to more away wins than usual but as long as all games are played without a crowd thats fine. In other words if (as we have) we start the campaign without supporters in the stadium then thats how it should finish.
Hope that clears things up.
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
comment by Keep It Greasy - Music is the BEST (U1396)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 17 minutes ago
Hard to take that from today's games. The three better teams won, which is what normally happens anyhow. After the restart last season I remember reading the stats disproving this theory, several weeks in.
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I don't know about here but I remember after the German restart the point was made that there were far more away wins than usual.
The important thing is that if the season starts without crowds it should end without crowds. That way we have a level playing field for the entire campaign and unlike last season no integrity is lost.
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What a load of bollox
First, half the clubs in the country would disappear without matchday revenue
And what's this сrap about "losing integrity"?
As long as the SAME rules apply to ALL clubs there can logically be no loss of integrity
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Its not rocket science.
Heres an example, if Newcastle play Brighton without a home crowd roaring them on and giving them gbh of the earhole if they don't put a shift in then in the reverse fixture why should Brighton have the advantage that was lost to Newcastle?
If both games are played behind closed doors then there is no advantage to either team in either fixture. Hence no integrity is lost.
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By that logic it is also unfair that Brighton can only get approx 30k fans at home to Man Utd then it is unfair in the reverse fixture that United are allowed to have more than double that. If fans give an advantage then having more fans will give a bigger advantage.
Pawl
Ok, so what am I clutching at straws about?
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
comment by Keep It Greasy - Music is the BEST (U1396)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 17 minutes ago
Hard to take that from today's games. The three better teams won, which is what normally happens anyhow. After the restart last season I remember reading the stats disproving this theory, several weeks in.
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I don't know about here but I remember after the German restart the point was made that there were far more away wins than usual.
The important thing is that if the season starts without crowds it should end without crowds. That way we have a level playing field for the entire campaign and unlike last season no integrity is lost.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What a load of bollox
First, half the clubs in the country would disappear without matchday revenue
And what's this сrap about "losing integrity"?
As long as the SAME rules apply to ALL clubs there can logically be no loss of integrity
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Its not rocket science.
Heres an example, if Newcastle play Brighton without a home crowd roaring them on and giving them gbh of the earhole if they don't put a shift in then in the reverse fixture why should Brighton have the advantage that was lost to Newcastle?
If both games are played behind closed doors then there is no advantage to either team in either fixture. Hence no integrity is lost.
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By that logic it is also unfair that Brighton can only get approx 30k fans at home to Man Utd then it is unfair in the reverse fixture that United are allowed to have more than double that. If fans give an advantage then having more fans will give a bigger advantage.
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Oh come on we all know that the older smaller stadiums often generate the best atmospheres. If you are unsure of that ask a West Ham fan.
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
comment by Keep It Greasy - Music is the BEST (U1396)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 17 minutes ago
Hard to take that from today's games. The three better teams won, which is what normally happens anyhow. After the restart last season I remember reading the stats disproving this theory, several weeks in.
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I don't know about here but I remember after the German restart the point was made that there were far more away wins than usual.
The important thing is that if the season starts without crowds it should end without crowds. That way we have a level playing field for the entire campaign and unlike last season no integrity is lost.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What a load of bollox
First, half the clubs in the country would disappear without matchday revenue
And what's this сrap about "losing integrity"?
As long as the SAME rules apply to ALL clubs there can logically be no loss of integrity
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Its not rocket science.
Heres an example, if Newcastle play Brighton without a home crowd roaring them on and giving them gbh of the earhole if they don't put a shift in then in the reverse fixture why should Brighton have the advantage that was lost to Newcastle?
If both games are played behind closed doors then there is no advantage to either team in either fixture. Hence no integrity is lost.
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By that logic it is also unfair that Brighton can only get approx 30k fans at home to Man Utd then it is unfair in the reverse fixture that United are allowed to have more than double that. If fans give an advantage then having more fans will give a bigger advantage.
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Oh come on we all know that the older smaller stadiums often generate the best atmospheres. If you are unsure of that ask a West Ham fan.
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Still applies though. If discrepancies on fans really affect the integrity of the competition then all teams should be forced to have the same number of fans.
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 minute ago
Pawl
Ok, so what am I clutching at straws about?
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All I meant is that there are mental games every now and then that break all the rules and that was one of them.
There are plenty of away wins with crowds in the stadium but as I've already said I believe there will be more without the home support firing up their team.
Again I don't have a problem with that as long as the games are played under the same circumstances home and away. No mid season changes.
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 7 minutes ago
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
comment by Keep It Greasy - Music is the BEST (U1396)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 17 minutes ago
Hard to take that from today's games. The three better teams won, which is what normally happens anyhow. After the restart last season I remember reading the stats disproving this theory, several weeks in.
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I don't know about here but I remember after the German restart the point was made that there were far more away wins than usual.
The important thing is that if the season starts without crowds it should end without crowds. That way we have a level playing field for the entire campaign and unlike last season no integrity is lost.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What a load of bollox
First, half the clubs in the country would disappear without matchday revenue
And what's this сrap about "losing integrity"?
As long as the SAME rules apply to ALL clubs there can logically be no loss of integrity
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Its not rocket science.
Heres an example, if Newcastle play Brighton without a home crowd roaring them on and giving them gbh of the earhole if they don't put a shift in then in the reverse fixture why should Brighton have the advantage that was lost to Newcastle?
If both games are played behind closed doors then there is no advantage to either team in either fixture. Hence no integrity is lost.
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By that logic it is also unfair that Brighton can only get approx 30k fans at home to Man Utd then it is unfair in the reverse fixture that United are allowed to have more than double that. If fans give an advantage then having more fans will give a bigger advantage.
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Oh come on we all know that the older smaller stadiums often generate the best atmospheres. If you are unsure of that ask a West Ham fan.
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Still applies though. If discrepancies on fans really affect the integrity of the competition then all teams should be forced to have the same number of fans.
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Do not agree with me then that if Spurs play Utd infront of an empty lane then the same should apply when go to OT?
If all other thing are fairly equal, wins for the team performing in front of a home crowd is clearly, and statistically, more likely.
In the earlier days of league football the added hassle of travelling to an away ground was itself detrimental to performance. St James' used to be a really difficult ground to get a result at. But for the same reason Newcastle's record in London was dreadful.
There's probably some statistical oddities about Plymouth, Torquay, Exeter and/or Carlisle as well.
Bit different now with modern transportation and hotels etc., but the crowds really do make a difference.
Statisticians will, measuring trends over a longer, more meaningful period, demonstrate home advantage is slightly less without crowds.
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posted on 20/9/20
Entirley agree, when I'm at games at Parkhead the fans are either on the players back if they are playing poorly and it makes them focus or get right behind them if they need a lift.
At bigger clubs with large supports it also puts pressure on the opposition, some of these games seem like training matches or U21 games I've attended, you make a good point 52
posted on 20/9/20
Hard to take that from today's games. The three better teams won, which is what normally happens anyhow. After the restart last season I remember reading the stats disproving this theory, several weeks in.
posted on 20/9/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 17 minutes ago
Hard to take that from today's games. The three better teams won, which is what normally happens anyhow. After the restart last season I remember reading the stats disproving this theory, several weeks in.
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I don't know about here but I remember after the German restart the point was made that there were far more away wins than usual.
The important thing is that if the season starts without crowds it should end without crowds. That way we have a level playing field for the entire campaign and unlike last season no integrity is lost.
posted on 20/9/20
Hard to judge. Liverpool would be firm favourites either way with the team Chelsea had available. Even with our strongest side most likely
posted on 20/9/20
The strongest teams won today who happen to also be the away sides.
Clearly having no crowd with be benefit away sides but today’s results don’t really prove that.
posted on 20/9/20
I dunno
Spurs hammering Southampton
And Brighton hammering Newcastle
Didn't seem on the cards to me.
posted on 20/9/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 46 minutes ago
Hard to take that from today's games. The three better teams won, which is what normally happens anyhow. After the restart last season I remember reading the stats disproving this theory, several weeks in.
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That's the whole point Toor , the best team often didn't win, because of crowds
posted on 20/9/20
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 17 minutes ago
Hard to take that from today's games. The three better teams won, which is what normally happens anyhow. After the restart last season I remember reading the stats disproving this theory, several weeks in.
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I don't know about here but I remember after the German restart the point was made that there were far more away wins than usual.
The important thing is that if the season starts without crowds it should end without crowds. That way we have a level playing field for the entire campaign and unlike last season no integrity is lost.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What a load of bollox
First, half the clubs in the country would disappear without matchday revenue
And what's this сrap about "losing integrity"?
As long as the SAME rules apply to ALL clubs there can logically be no loss of integrity
posted on 20/9/20
It`s nothing but parody football without fans, and with the added farce of VAR, it is a comedy sham imitation of what football should be.
posted on 20/9/20
comment by Keep It Greasy - Music is the BEST (U1396)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 17 minutes ago
Hard to take that from today's games. The three better teams won, which is what normally happens anyhow. After the restart last season I remember reading the stats disproving this theory, several weeks in.
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I don't know about here but I remember after the German restart the point was made that there were far more away wins than usual.
The important thing is that if the season starts without crowds it should end without crowds. That way we have a level playing field for the entire campaign and unlike last season no integrity is lost.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What a load of bollox
First, half the clubs in the country would disappear without matchday revenue
And what's this сrap about "losing integrity"?
As long as the SAME rules apply to ALL clubs there can logically be no loss of integrity
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Its not rocket science.
Heres an example, if Newcastle play Brighton without a home crowd roaring them on and giving them gbh of the earhole if they don't put a shift in then in the reverse fixture why should Brighton have the advantage that was lost to Newcastle?
If both games are played behind closed doors then there is no advantage to either team in either fixture. Hence no integrity is lost.
posted on 20/9/20
comment by Keep It Greasy - Music is the BEST (U1396)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 17 minutes ago
Hard to take that from today's games. The three better teams won, which is what normally happens anyhow. After the restart last season I remember reading the stats disproving this theory, several weeks in.
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I don't know about here but I remember after the German restart the point was made that there were far more away wins than usual.
The important thing is that if the season starts without crowds it should end without crowds. That way we have a level playing field for the entire campaign and unlike last season no integrity is lost.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What a load of bollox
First, half the clubs in the country would disappear without matchday revenue
And what's this сrap about "losing integrity"?
As long as the SAME rules apply to ALL clubs there can logically be no loss of integrity
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Last season had zero integrity left, changing the rules part way through and carrying on as normal saw to that. Also, the same rules do not apply to all clubs, VAR has more than proved that
posted on 20/9/20
Leicester smashed Saints away last season with a crowd, today’s scored haven’t really proven anything.
posted on 20/9/20
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 21 seconds ago
Leicester smashed Saints away last season with a crowd, today’s scored haven’t really proven anything.
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Haha, thats clutching at straws.
I have no idea of the stats but in a normal season (crowd wise) I would guess that 90% of the teams in the top 4 divisions have a better home than away record and that is because of the advantage that a partisan home crowd brings.
Therefore if there are no supporters at any league fixture to keep it fair there should be none in the reverse match.
posted on 20/9/20
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 51 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 46 minutes ago
Hard to take that from today's games. The three better teams won, which is what normally happens anyhow. After the restart last season I remember reading the stats disproving this theory, several weeks in.
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That's the whole point Toor , the best team often didn't win, because of crowds
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Well no that's not the point. The best team does normally win which is why they're the best team.
posted on 20/9/20
Pawl
Not really sure what your point is?
I’m saying today’s scored don’t prove no fans helps away teams. I think it’s obvious that it’ll have a negative effect on home sides but using today’s scores doesn’t prove it.
The beauty of football is that we can’t always predict the result and that still true without fans.
posted on 20/9/20
I wasn't saying it proved anything.
I clicked on to look at the scores and the three fini all had away wins, as did the championship game.
I wouldn't necessarily expect Spurs and Brighton to win so handsomely. So it crossed my mind being home may not be the advantage it was
.
It also crossed my mind next weekends game vs Brighton will be the walk over I was hoping for
posted on 20/9/20
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 6 minutes ago
Pawl
Not really sure what your point is?
I’m saying today’s scored don’t prove no fans helps away teams. I think it’s obvious that it’ll have a negative effect on home sides but using today’s scores doesn’t prove it.
The beauty of football is that we can’t always predict the result and that still true without fans.
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My point is that there will be many results and performances that will be affected by the lack of a home crowd. If Newcastle had turned in todays showing infront of a full St James Park they would have needed a police escort to get to the dressing rooms.
Over the course of a 38 game season IMO this will lead to more away wins than usual but as long as all games are played without a crowd thats fine. In other words if (as we have) we start the campaign without supporters in the stadium then thats how it should finish.
Hope that clears things up.
posted on 20/9/20
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
comment by Keep It Greasy - Music is the BEST (U1396)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 17 minutes ago
Hard to take that from today's games. The three better teams won, which is what normally happens anyhow. After the restart last season I remember reading the stats disproving this theory, several weeks in.
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I don't know about here but I remember after the German restart the point was made that there were far more away wins than usual.
The important thing is that if the season starts without crowds it should end without crowds. That way we have a level playing field for the entire campaign and unlike last season no integrity is lost.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What a load of bollox
First, half the clubs in the country would disappear without matchday revenue
And what's this сrap about "losing integrity"?
As long as the SAME rules apply to ALL clubs there can logically be no loss of integrity
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Its not rocket science.
Heres an example, if Newcastle play Brighton without a home crowd roaring them on and giving them gbh of the earhole if they don't put a shift in then in the reverse fixture why should Brighton have the advantage that was lost to Newcastle?
If both games are played behind closed doors then there is no advantage to either team in either fixture. Hence no integrity is lost.
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By that logic it is also unfair that Brighton can only get approx 30k fans at home to Man Utd then it is unfair in the reverse fixture that United are allowed to have more than double that. If fans give an advantage then having more fans will give a bigger advantage.
posted on 20/9/20
Pawl
Ok, so what am I clutching at straws about?
posted on 20/9/20
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
comment by Keep It Greasy - Music is the BEST (U1396)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 17 minutes ago
Hard to take that from today's games. The three better teams won, which is what normally happens anyhow. After the restart last season I remember reading the stats disproving this theory, several weeks in.
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I don't know about here but I remember after the German restart the point was made that there were far more away wins than usual.
The important thing is that if the season starts without crowds it should end without crowds. That way we have a level playing field for the entire campaign and unlike last season no integrity is lost.
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What a load of bollox
First, half the clubs in the country would disappear without matchday revenue
And what's this сrap about "losing integrity"?
As long as the SAME rules apply to ALL clubs there can logically be no loss of integrity
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Its not rocket science.
Heres an example, if Newcastle play Brighton without a home crowd roaring them on and giving them gbh of the earhole if they don't put a shift in then in the reverse fixture why should Brighton have the advantage that was lost to Newcastle?
If both games are played behind closed doors then there is no advantage to either team in either fixture. Hence no integrity is lost.
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By that logic it is also unfair that Brighton can only get approx 30k fans at home to Man Utd then it is unfair in the reverse fixture that United are allowed to have more than double that. If fans give an advantage then having more fans will give a bigger advantage.
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Oh come on we all know that the older smaller stadiums often generate the best atmospheres. If you are unsure of that ask a West Ham fan.
posted on 20/9/20
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
comment by Keep It Greasy - Music is the BEST (U1396)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 17 minutes ago
Hard to take that from today's games. The three better teams won, which is what normally happens anyhow. After the restart last season I remember reading the stats disproving this theory, several weeks in.
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I don't know about here but I remember after the German restart the point was made that there were far more away wins than usual.
The important thing is that if the season starts without crowds it should end without crowds. That way we have a level playing field for the entire campaign and unlike last season no integrity is lost.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What a load of bollox
First, half the clubs in the country would disappear without matchday revenue
And what's this сrap about "losing integrity"?
As long as the SAME rules apply to ALL clubs there can logically be no loss of integrity
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Its not rocket science.
Heres an example, if Newcastle play Brighton without a home crowd roaring them on and giving them gbh of the earhole if they don't put a shift in then in the reverse fixture why should Brighton have the advantage that was lost to Newcastle?
If both games are played behind closed doors then there is no advantage to either team in either fixture. Hence no integrity is lost.
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By that logic it is also unfair that Brighton can only get approx 30k fans at home to Man Utd then it is unfair in the reverse fixture that United are allowed to have more than double that. If fans give an advantage then having more fans will give a bigger advantage.
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Oh come on we all know that the older smaller stadiums often generate the best atmospheres. If you are unsure of that ask a West Ham fan.
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Still applies though. If discrepancies on fans really affect the integrity of the competition then all teams should be forced to have the same number of fans.
posted on 20/9/20
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 minute ago
Pawl
Ok, so what am I clutching at straws about?
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All I meant is that there are mental games every now and then that break all the rules and that was one of them.
There are plenty of away wins with crowds in the stadium but as I've already said I believe there will be more without the home support firing up their team.
Again I don't have a problem with that as long as the games are played under the same circumstances home and away. No mid season changes.
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Hard to take that from today's games. The three better teams won, which is what normally happens anyhow. After the restart last season I remember reading the stats disproving this theory, several weeks in.
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I don't know about here but I remember after the German restart the point was made that there were far more away wins than usual.
The important thing is that if the season starts without crowds it should end without crowds. That way we have a level playing field for the entire campaign and unlike last season no integrity is lost.
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What a load of bollox
First, half the clubs in the country would disappear without matchday revenue
And what's this сrap about "losing integrity"?
As long as the SAME rules apply to ALL clubs there can logically be no loss of integrity
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Its not rocket science.
Heres an example, if Newcastle play Brighton without a home crowd roaring them on and giving them gbh of the earhole if they don't put a shift in then in the reverse fixture why should Brighton have the advantage that was lost to Newcastle?
If both games are played behind closed doors then there is no advantage to either team in either fixture. Hence no integrity is lost.
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By that logic it is also unfair that Brighton can only get approx 30k fans at home to Man Utd then it is unfair in the reverse fixture that United are allowed to have more than double that. If fans give an advantage then having more fans will give a bigger advantage.
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Oh come on we all know that the older smaller stadiums often generate the best atmospheres. If you are unsure of that ask a West Ham fan.
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Still applies though. If discrepancies on fans really affect the integrity of the competition then all teams should be forced to have the same number of fans.
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Do not agree with me then that if Spurs play Utd infront of an empty lane then the same should apply when go to OT?
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If all other thing are fairly equal, wins for the team performing in front of a home crowd is clearly, and statistically, more likely.
In the earlier days of league football the added hassle of travelling to an away ground was itself detrimental to performance. St James' used to be a really difficult ground to get a result at. But for the same reason Newcastle's record in London was dreadful.
There's probably some statistical oddities about Plymouth, Torquay, Exeter and/or Carlisle as well.
Bit different now with modern transportation and hotels etc., but the crowds really do make a difference.
Statisticians will, measuring trends over a longer, more meaningful period, demonstrate home advantage is slightly less without crowds.
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