comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 2 hours, 59 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 5 hours, 28 minutes ago
If you’re not with me then you’re my enemy.
Only a sith deals in absolutes.
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Agreed.
Those accusing republicans of division are just hating other opinion and labelling people too.
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It’s honestly quite pathetic mate. We’re at a point now, the left has always been good like this, where you cannot have a differing thought without being an evil villain. Pseudo moralistic behaviour at its best.
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Get back on our politics thread, bro.
The leftists have become big fans of America and a religious minded Pres.
Hypocrites.
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You're a mess.
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From you, LMAO.
comment by Hansaplast (U1250)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted about an hour ago
comment by rosso - it’s not good enough to be right; you have to be effective (U17054)
posted 2 hours, 35 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 5 hours, 28 minutes ago
If you’re not with me then you’re my enemy.
Only a sith deals in absolutes.
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Agreed.
Those accusing republicans of division are just hating other opinion and labelling people too.
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The rhetoric of Trump, his campaign and his proxies, from the point of his nomination has been one of division.
They’ve worked incredibly hard to create a political schism and polarise the debate. It’s textbook Bannon, suited, and was adopted wholeheartedly by Trump.
Contrast that with the speeches by Biden and Harris in recent days. They’re talking about bringing the country back together, “healing the divide”, political and social collaboration, Americans having more in common with each other than that which divides them...
If the Dem pair can achieve just a little in terms of improving the tone, intent of and faith in the debate the next four years, as well as re-establishing America’s standing and leadership from a global perspective, it’ll have proved a valuable term.
There’s nothing more repugnant or dangerous than the politics of division, and America has been on its way down a dark path the last four years. Now, at the very least, it will have a leader who will try to undo some of the damage done.
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Exhibit A ladies and gentleman. More one-sided blame it all on Trump and his proxies, the left hasn’t caused any division whatsoever, the media hasn’t caused any division whatsoever, just Trump. It’s just laughable ignorance.
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Its ignorance to think Trump was not part of it or that he didnt throw oil on the fire.
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I haven’t “blamed it all” on Trump or said anything about the media or said anything about “the left”.
But I’ll be leaving it here, I think. I’m not getting involved in this any further.
comment by rosso - it’s not good enough to be right; you have to be effective (U17054)
posted 4 hours, 12 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 5 hours, 28 minutes ago
If you’re not with me then you’re my enemy.
Only a sith deals in absolutes.
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Agreed.
Those accusing republicans of division are just hating other opinion and labelling people too.
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The rhetoric of Trump, his campaign and his proxies, from the point of his nomination has been one of division.
They’ve worked incredibly hard to create a political schism and polarise the debate. It’s textbook Bannon, suited, and was adopted wholeheartedly by Trump.
Contrast that with the speeches by Biden and Harris in recent days. They’re talking about bringing the country back together, “healing the divide”, political and social collaboration, Americans having more in common with each other than that which divides them...
If the Dem pair can achieve just a little in terms of improving the tone, intent of and faith in the debate the next four years, as well as re-establishing America’s standing and leadership from a global perspective, it’ll have proved a valuable term.
There’s nothing more repugnant or dangerous than the politics of division, and America has been on its way down a dark path the last four years. Now, at the very least, it will have a leader who will try to undo some of the damage done.
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That's the usual rhetoric from the left, remember Biden was vice president for 8 years and his legacy was to leave America so divided that they elected Trump. if he doesn't have the senate then he can't get much done and will be more of a figurehead president
Trump is a super divisive figure. Divide and conquer. It just seems that this time he was so divisive he actually helped mobilise the vote against him. The figures bear this out, he improved his vote and will still receive 5 million less than Biden. That points to a really deep division in US politics.
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by rosso - it’s not good enough to be right; you have to be effective (U17054)
posted 4 hours, 12 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 5 hours, 28 minutes ago
If you’re not with me then you’re my enemy.
Only a sith deals in absolutes.
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Agreed.
Those accusing republicans of division are just hating other opinion and labelling people too.
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The rhetoric of Trump, his campaign and his proxies, from the point of his nomination has been one of division.
They’ve worked incredibly hard to create a political schism and polarise the debate. It’s textbook Bannon, suited, and was adopted wholeheartedly by Trump.
Contrast that with the speeches by Biden and Harris in recent days. They’re talking about bringing the country back together, “healing the divide”, political and social collaboration, Americans having more in common with each other than that which divides them...
If the Dem pair can achieve just a little in terms of improving the tone, intent of and faith in the debate the next four years, as well as re-establishing America’s standing and leadership from a global perspective, it’ll have proved a valuable term.
There’s nothing more repugnant or dangerous than the politics of division, and America has been on its way down a dark path the last four years. Now, at the very least, it will have a leader who will try to undo some of the damage done.
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That's the usual rhetoric from the left, remember Biden was vice president for 8 years and his legacy was to leave America so divided that they elected Trump. if he doesn't have the senate then he can't get much done and will be more of a figurehead president
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Obama left office with a 53% / 44% approval rating.
Sixty percent of voters said Obama had done a good job “being compassionate enough to understand average people,” 56 percent said he had done a good job “having the strong leadership qualities needed to be president,” and 55 percent said Obama has done a good job “being honest and straightforward.”
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/poll-obama-approval-ratings-233725
There was a respect for and integrity seen in the office, even if people didn’t agree with his policies.
Hilary made a big mistake in her use of the “basket of deplorables” type rhetoric, and the tone of her campaign wasn’t aligned with what had come previously from Obama’s campaign.
The idea that Obama’s administration worked to actively divide the nation I think would be a very difficult one to argue.
"Sixty percent of voters said Obama had done a good job “being compassionate enough to understand average people,” 56 percent said he had done a good job “having the strong leadership qualities needed to be president,” and 55 percent said Obama has done a good job “being honest and straightforward.”
great attributes if he wanted to be the Pope but he was also seen as an ineffective president who didn't get much done. A lot of lefties were disappointed that the revolution he promised never happened and that's in part why Trump got elected, a who wants to get things done over career politicians who are all about perception and giving speeches. Hillary is the worst example of that but Obama represented it too. Biden represents that also, so it will be interesting to see what happens in 4 years when we already know he can't get much done. Does Trump run again, or a Trump inspired candidate or do they go back to an old school Republican type
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 2 minutes ago
"Sixty percent of voters said Obama had done a good job “being compassionate enough to understand average people,” 56 percent said he had done a good job “having the strong leadership qualities needed to be president,” and 55 percent said Obama has done a good job “being honest and straightforward.”
great attributes if he wanted to be the Pope but he was also seen as an ineffective president who didn't get much done. A lot of lefties were disappointed that the revolution he promised never happened and that's in part why Trump got elected, awho wants to get things done over career politicians who are all about perception and giving speeches. Hillary is the worst example of that but Obama represented it too. Biden represents that also, so it will be interesting to see what happens in 4 years when we already know he can't get much done. Does Trump run again, or a Trump inspired candidate or do they go back to an old school Republican type
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Only if you refuse to acknowledge that the Senate and House were in republican hands for a lot of Obama's tenure which effectively tied his hands.
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 10 minutes ago
"Sixty percent of voters said Obama had done a good job “being compassionate enough to understand average people,” 56 percent said he had done a good job “having the strong leadership qualities needed to be president,” and 55 percent said Obama has done a good job “being honest and straightforward.”
great attributes if he wanted to be the Pope but he was also seen as an ineffective president who didn't get much done. A lot of lefties were disappointed that the revolution he promised never happened and that's in part why Trump got elected, awho wants to get things done over career politicians who are all about perception and giving speeches. Hillary is the worst example of that but Obama represented it too. Biden represents that also, so it will be interesting to see what happens in 4 years when we already know he can't get much done. Does Trump run again, or a Trump inspired candidate or do they go back to an old school Republican type
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I think, and hope, the Republicans will now wash their hands of Trump, bin the populist approach, and seek new leadership for the GOP which respects the debate and the party’s own tradition of dignified statesmanship.
He had both for the first two years of both terms, big majorities in the senate too
Trump is so popular with Republican voters, if he decides to run again or another populist type candidate they would easily beat a Mitt Romney or Jeb Bush style Republican. He could also run as a third party and have tens of millions of people who are guaranteed to vote for him, would be interesting to see just from the point of breaking up the two party system.
comment by rosso - it’s not good enough to be right; you have to be effective (U17054)
posted 53 minutes ago
comment by Hansaplast (U1250)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted about an hour ago
comment by rosso - it’s not good enough to be right; you have to be effective (U17054)
posted 2 hours, 35 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 5 hours, 28 minutes ago
If you’re not with me then you’re my enemy.
Only a sith deals in absolutes.
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Agreed.
Those accusing republicans of division are just hating other opinion and labelling people too.
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The rhetoric of Trump, his campaign and his proxies, from the point of his nomination has been one of division.
They’ve worked incredibly hard to create a political schism and polarise the debate. It’s textbook Bannon, suited, and was adopted wholeheartedly by Trump.
Contrast that with the speeches by Biden and Harris in recent days. They’re talking about bringing the country back together, “healing the divide”, political and social collaboration, Americans having more in common with each other than that which divides them...
If the Dem pair can achieve just a little in terms of improving the tone, intent of and faith in the debate the next four years, as well as re-establishing America’s standing and leadership from a global perspective, it’ll have proved a valuable term.
There’s nothing more repugnant or dangerous than the politics of division, and America has been on its way down a dark path the last four years. Now, at the very least, it will have a leader who will try to undo some of the damage done.
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Exhibit A ladies and gentleman. More one-sided blame it all on Trump and his proxies, the left hasn’t caused any division whatsoever, the media hasn’t caused any division whatsoever, just Trump. It’s just laughable ignorance.
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Its ignorance to think Trump was not part of it or that he didnt throw oil on the fire.
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I haven’t “blamed it all” on Trump or said anything about the media or said anything about “the left”.
But I’ll be leaving it here, I think. I’m not getting involved in this any further.
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Exactly my point. You haven’t mentioned any of the other contributing factors (most likely larger contributors) to the division in the US, all you have mentioned is Trump & his proxies leading the US down a dark path this past four years...
It’s either complete ignorance or deliberate omission due to an entrenched ideology. Either way it’s silly.
comment by rosso - it’s not good enough to be right; you have to be effective (U17054)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
comment by Hansaplast (U1250)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted about an hour ago
comment by rosso - it’s not good enough to be right; you have to be effective (U17054)
posted 2 hours, 35 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 5 hours, 28 minutes ago
If you’re not with me then you’re my enemy.
Only a sith deals in absolutes.
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Agreed.
Those accusing republicans of division are just hating other opinion and labelling people too.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The rhetoric of Trump, his campaign and his proxies, from the point of his nomination has been one of division.
They’ve worked incredibly hard to create a political schism and polarise the debate. It’s textbook Bannon, suited, and was adopted wholeheartedly by Trump.
Contrast that with the speeches by Biden and Harris in recent days. They’re talking about bringing the country back together, “healing the divide”, political and social collaboration, Americans having more in common with each other than that which divides them...
If the Dem pair can achieve just a little in terms of improving the tone, intent of and faith in the debate the next four years, as well as re-establishing America’s standing and leadership from a global perspective, it’ll have proved a valuable term.
There’s nothing more repugnant or dangerous than the politics of division, and America has been on its way down a dark path the last four years. Now, at the very least, it will have a leader who will try to undo some of the damage done.
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Exhibit A ladies and gentleman. More one-sided blame it all on Trump and his proxies, the left hasn’t caused any division whatsoever, the media hasn’t caused any division whatsoever, just Trump. It’s just laughable ignorance.
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Its ignorance to think Trump was not part of it or that he didnt throw oil on the fire.
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I haven’t “blamed it all” on Trump or said anything about the media or said anything about “the left”.
But I’ll be leaving it here, I think. I’m not getting involved in this any further.
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I was replying to sat nav, thought that was clear
comment by Hansaplast (U1250)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by rosso - it’s not good enough to be right; you have to be effective (U17054)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
comment by Hansaplast (U1250)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted about an hour ago
comment by rosso - it’s not good enough to be right; you have to be effective (U17054)
posted 2 hours, 35 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 5 hours, 28 minutes ago
If you’re not with me then you’re my enemy.
Only a sith deals in absolutes.
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Agreed.
Those accusing republicans of division are just hating other opinion and labelling people too.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The rhetoric of Trump, his campaign and his proxies, from the point of his nomination has been one of division.
They’ve worked incredibly hard to create a political schism and polarise the debate. It’s textbook Bannon, suited, and was adopted wholeheartedly by Trump.
Contrast that with the speeches by Biden and Harris in recent days. They’re talking about bringing the country back together, “healing the divide”, political and social collaboration, Americans having more in common with each other than that which divides them...
If the Dem pair can achieve just a little in terms of improving the tone, intent of and faith in the debate the next four years, as well as re-establishing America’s standing and leadership from a global perspective, it’ll have proved a valuable term.
There’s nothing more repugnant or dangerous than the politics of division, and America has been on its way down a dark path the last four years. Now, at the very least, it will have a leader who will try to undo some of the damage done.
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Exhibit A ladies and gentleman. More one-sided blame it all on Trump and his proxies, the left hasn’t caused any division whatsoever, the media hasn’t caused any division whatsoever, just Trump. It’s just laughable ignorance.
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Its ignorance to think Trump was not part of it or that he didnt throw oil on the fire.
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I haven’t “blamed it all” on Trump or said anything about the media or said anything about “the left”.
But I’ll be leaving it here, I think. I’m not getting involved in this any further.
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I was replying to sat nav, thought that was clear
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It was. Rosso was replying to me indirectly because he has presumably filtered me and blocked me from replying to his threads.
I think Biden won, but they have to change the mail-in ballots - it's really easy to commit voter fraud as it currently stands.
comment by ItsAboutTheBackFour (U9916)
posted 52 seconds ago
I think Biden won, but they have to change the mail-in ballots - it's really easy to commit voter fraud as it currently stands.
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If its true what they say about observers then I agree they should be able to have a few in there from each party and they aren't kept a distance away. They are there right by them watching
I was at the count as a party representative in the UK and I could stand right behind them looking at each vote that came in
comment by ItsAboutTheBackFour (U9916)
posted 12 minutes ago
I think Biden won, but they have to change the mail-in ballots - it's really easy to commit voter fraud as it currently stands.
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No its not. They've done postal votes for 100 years.
comment by Emperor Kami (U9880)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by ItsAboutTheBackFour (U9916)
posted 52 seconds ago
I think Biden won, but they have to change the mail-in ballots - it's really easy to commit voter fraud as it currently stands.
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If its true what they say about observers then I agree they should be able to have a few in there from each party and they aren't kept a distance away. They are there right by them watching
I was at the count as a party representative in the UK and I could stand right behind them looking at each vote that came in
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They should let as many people with MAGA hats in as want to enter.
And they should be able to scream what ever they want at the vote counting officials whilst brandishing their assault rifles.
It’s all in the Constitution.
Yes, but when you have a very high number it's much easier to add a high number of fraud ballots - the security is also cack in many States.
It should also be noted that in one State you can have ballots arrive 3 days after the election and it still counts unless there is incontrovertible proof it was posted after Nov 3rd ! In other States they don't check post mark dates at all - they just add them in.
Verification is generally cr_@p, The whole thing is a shambles...
Regardless of who wins you have to trust the system and right now it just isn't good enough.
I think a full recount in Pennsylvania with much more scrutiny is a good idea (it doesn't help that the AG there said he would never allow Trump to win) - Biden will still win and the people will be more accepting of the result.
Republican and Democrat observers as well as independent observers were at every count as mormal.
Plus, this time the counts were all live-streamed 4 anybody too watch.
comment by ItsAboutTheBackFour (U9916)
posted 2 minutes ago
Yes, but when you have a very high number it's much easier to add a high number of fraud ballots - the security is also cack in many States.
It should also be noted that in one State you can have ballots arrive 3 days after the election and it still counts unless there is incontrovertible proof it was posted after Nov 3rd ! In other States they don't check post mark dates at all - they just add them in.
Verification is generally cr_@p, The whole thing is a shambles...
Regardless of who wins you have to trust the system and right now it just isn't good enough.
I think a full recount in Pennsylvania with much more scrutiny is a good idea (it doesn't help that the AG there said he would never allow Trump to win) - Biden will still win and the people will be more accepting of the result.
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The system is the same as always.
States have different rules, that is normal.
What makes this one any different 2 previus elections?
They havent added the mail votes rcvd after Nov 3, they have been set aside, so the counts as they stand r as good as they will get 4 Trump.
What makes this one any different 2 previus elections?
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Donald Trump wasn’t the loser.
I never realised until the last couple of days but I have quite a few American friends. A couple are Trump supporters and they seem to have an illogical fear of the Democratic party.
One has been writing to me every day for 3 days telling me I should spread the word that Trump has won a landslide and that Biden supporters are stuffing the ballots, reprogramming counting systems and counting Trump's votes for him. Some of the allegations are just funny - apparently she is claiming a 125% turnout in some areas (waiting for her to tell me that Elvis voted Democrat!!!). She's even insisting that this will end in civil war.
My democrat friends are just happy to be seeing the back of Trump. As you can imagine, he's not the most popular among them.
Trump basically scraped a win last election, losing the popular vote, so it is not out of the realms of probability that he loses by a small amount this time.
My point is that the USA is deeply divided, and more so after 4 years of Trump. I personally dislike him and find him divisive. But the fervour shown by much of his support and the inability to accept defeat is extremely unhealthy and worrying.
comment by Xiu (U6109)
posted 4 minutes ago
I never realised until the last couple of days but I have quite a few American friends. A couple are Trump supporters and they seem to have an illogical fear of the Democratic party.
One has been writing to me every day for 3 days telling me I should spread the word that Trump has won a landslide and that Biden supporters are stuffing the ballots, reprogramming counting systems and counting Trump's votes for him. Some of the allegations are just funny - apparently she is claiming a 125% turnout in some areas (waiting for her to tell me that Elvis voted Democrat!!!). She's even insisting that this will end in civil war.
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I wonder if we have the same friends. I've got a friend who lives in Rolling Hills and she's also trying to convince me of much the same ... word for word ... landslide win, computer system manipulation, civil war and 100+% turnouts in some areas. And she's also telling me to tell everybody. Irrational?
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posted on 8/11/20
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 2 hours, 59 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 5 hours, 28 minutes ago
If you’re not with me then you’re my enemy.
Only a sith deals in absolutes.
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Agreed.
Those accusing republicans of division are just hating other opinion and labelling people too.
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It’s honestly quite pathetic mate. We’re at a point now, the left has always been good like this, where you cannot have a differing thought without being an evil villain. Pseudo moralistic behaviour at its best.
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Get back on our politics thread, bro.
The leftists have become big fans of America and a religious minded Pres.
Hypocrites.
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You're a mess.
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From you, LMAO.
posted on 8/11/20
comment by Hansaplast (U1250)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted about an hour ago
comment by rosso - it’s not good enough to be right; you have to be effective (U17054)
posted 2 hours, 35 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 5 hours, 28 minutes ago
If you’re not with me then you’re my enemy.
Only a sith deals in absolutes.
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Agreed.
Those accusing republicans of division are just hating other opinion and labelling people too.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The rhetoric of Trump, his campaign and his proxies, from the point of his nomination has been one of division.
They’ve worked incredibly hard to create a political schism and polarise the debate. It’s textbook Bannon, suited, and was adopted wholeheartedly by Trump.
Contrast that with the speeches by Biden and Harris in recent days. They’re talking about bringing the country back together, “healing the divide”, political and social collaboration, Americans having more in common with each other than that which divides them...
If the Dem pair can achieve just a little in terms of improving the tone, intent of and faith in the debate the next four years, as well as re-establishing America’s standing and leadership from a global perspective, it’ll have proved a valuable term.
There’s nothing more repugnant or dangerous than the politics of division, and America has been on its way down a dark path the last four years. Now, at the very least, it will have a leader who will try to undo some of the damage done.
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Exhibit A ladies and gentleman. More one-sided blame it all on Trump and his proxies, the left hasn’t caused any division whatsoever, the media hasn’t caused any division whatsoever, just Trump. It’s just laughable ignorance.
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Its ignorance to think Trump was not part of it or that he didnt throw oil on the fire.
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I haven’t “blamed it all” on Trump or said anything about the media or said anything about “the left”.
But I’ll be leaving it here, I think. I’m not getting involved in this any further.
posted on 8/11/20
comment by rosso - it’s not good enough to be right; you have to be effective (U17054)
posted 4 hours, 12 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 5 hours, 28 minutes ago
If you’re not with me then you’re my enemy.
Only a sith deals in absolutes.
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Agreed.
Those accusing republicans of division are just hating other opinion and labelling people too.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The rhetoric of Trump, his campaign and his proxies, from the point of his nomination has been one of division.
They’ve worked incredibly hard to create a political schism and polarise the debate. It’s textbook Bannon, suited, and was adopted wholeheartedly by Trump.
Contrast that with the speeches by Biden and Harris in recent days. They’re talking about bringing the country back together, “healing the divide”, political and social collaboration, Americans having more in common with each other than that which divides them...
If the Dem pair can achieve just a little in terms of improving the tone, intent of and faith in the debate the next four years, as well as re-establishing America’s standing and leadership from a global perspective, it’ll have proved a valuable term.
There’s nothing more repugnant or dangerous than the politics of division, and America has been on its way down a dark path the last four years. Now, at the very least, it will have a leader who will try to undo some of the damage done.
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That's the usual rhetoric from the left, remember Biden was vice president for 8 years and his legacy was to leave America so divided that they elected Trump. if he doesn't have the senate then he can't get much done and will be more of a figurehead president
posted on 8/11/20
Trump is a super divisive figure. Divide and conquer. It just seems that this time he was so divisive he actually helped mobilise the vote against him. The figures bear this out, he improved his vote and will still receive 5 million less than Biden. That points to a really deep division in US politics.
posted on 8/11/20
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by rosso - it’s not good enough to be right; you have to be effective (U17054)
posted 4 hours, 12 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 5 hours, 28 minutes ago
If you’re not with me then you’re my enemy.
Only a sith deals in absolutes.
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Agreed.
Those accusing republicans of division are just hating other opinion and labelling people too.
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The rhetoric of Trump, his campaign and his proxies, from the point of his nomination has been one of division.
They’ve worked incredibly hard to create a political schism and polarise the debate. It’s textbook Bannon, suited, and was adopted wholeheartedly by Trump.
Contrast that with the speeches by Biden and Harris in recent days. They’re talking about bringing the country back together, “healing the divide”, political and social collaboration, Americans having more in common with each other than that which divides them...
If the Dem pair can achieve just a little in terms of improving the tone, intent of and faith in the debate the next four years, as well as re-establishing America’s standing and leadership from a global perspective, it’ll have proved a valuable term.
There’s nothing more repugnant or dangerous than the politics of division, and America has been on its way down a dark path the last four years. Now, at the very least, it will have a leader who will try to undo some of the damage done.
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That's the usual rhetoric from the left, remember Biden was vice president for 8 years and his legacy was to leave America so divided that they elected Trump. if he doesn't have the senate then he can't get much done and will be more of a figurehead president
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Obama left office with a 53% / 44% approval rating.
Sixty percent of voters said Obama had done a good job “being compassionate enough to understand average people,” 56 percent said he had done a good job “having the strong leadership qualities needed to be president,” and 55 percent said Obama has done a good job “being honest and straightforward.”
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/poll-obama-approval-ratings-233725
There was a respect for and integrity seen in the office, even if people didn’t agree with his policies.
Hilary made a big mistake in her use of the “basket of deplorables” type rhetoric, and the tone of her campaign wasn’t aligned with what had come previously from Obama’s campaign.
The idea that Obama’s administration worked to actively divide the nation I think would be a very difficult one to argue.
posted on 8/11/20
"Sixty percent of voters said Obama had done a good job “being compassionate enough to understand average people,” 56 percent said he had done a good job “having the strong leadership qualities needed to be president,” and 55 percent said Obama has done a good job “being honest and straightforward.”
great attributes if he wanted to be the Pope but he was also seen as an ineffective president who didn't get much done. A lot of lefties were disappointed that the revolution he promised never happened and that's in part why Trump got elected, a who wants to get things done over career politicians who are all about perception and giving speeches. Hillary is the worst example of that but Obama represented it too. Biden represents that also, so it will be interesting to see what happens in 4 years when we already know he can't get much done. Does Trump run again, or a Trump inspired candidate or do they go back to an old school Republican type
posted on 8/11/20
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 2 minutes ago
"Sixty percent of voters said Obama had done a good job “being compassionate enough to understand average people,” 56 percent said he had done a good job “having the strong leadership qualities needed to be president,” and 55 percent said Obama has done a good job “being honest and straightforward.”
great attributes if he wanted to be the Pope but he was also seen as an ineffective president who didn't get much done. A lot of lefties were disappointed that the revolution he promised never happened and that's in part why Trump got elected, awho wants to get things done over career politicians who are all about perception and giving speeches. Hillary is the worst example of that but Obama represented it too. Biden represents that also, so it will be interesting to see what happens in 4 years when we already know he can't get much done. Does Trump run again, or a Trump inspired candidate or do they go back to an old school Republican type
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Only if you refuse to acknowledge that the Senate and House were in republican hands for a lot of Obama's tenure which effectively tied his hands.
posted on 8/11/20
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 10 minutes ago
"Sixty percent of voters said Obama had done a good job “being compassionate enough to understand average people,” 56 percent said he had done a good job “having the strong leadership qualities needed to be president,” and 55 percent said Obama has done a good job “being honest and straightforward.”
great attributes if he wanted to be the Pope but he was also seen as an ineffective president who didn't get much done. A lot of lefties were disappointed that the revolution he promised never happened and that's in part why Trump got elected, awho wants to get things done over career politicians who are all about perception and giving speeches. Hillary is the worst example of that but Obama represented it too. Biden represents that also, so it will be interesting to see what happens in 4 years when we already know he can't get much done. Does Trump run again, or a Trump inspired candidate or do they go back to an old school Republican type
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I think, and hope, the Republicans will now wash their hands of Trump, bin the populist approach, and seek new leadership for the GOP which respects the debate and the party’s own tradition of dignified statesmanship.
posted on 8/11/20
He had both for the first two years of both terms, big majorities in the senate too
posted on 8/11/20
Trump is so popular with Republican voters, if he decides to run again or another populist type candidate they would easily beat a Mitt Romney or Jeb Bush style Republican. He could also run as a third party and have tens of millions of people who are guaranteed to vote for him, would be interesting to see just from the point of breaking up the two party system.
posted on 8/11/20
comment by rosso - it’s not good enough to be right; you have to be effective (U17054)
posted 53 minutes ago
comment by Hansaplast (U1250)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted about an hour ago
comment by rosso - it’s not good enough to be right; you have to be effective (U17054)
posted 2 hours, 35 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 5 hours, 28 minutes ago
If you’re not with me then you’re my enemy.
Only a sith deals in absolutes.
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Agreed.
Those accusing republicans of division are just hating other opinion and labelling people too.
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The rhetoric of Trump, his campaign and his proxies, from the point of his nomination has been one of division.
They’ve worked incredibly hard to create a political schism and polarise the debate. It’s textbook Bannon, suited, and was adopted wholeheartedly by Trump.
Contrast that with the speeches by Biden and Harris in recent days. They’re talking about bringing the country back together, “healing the divide”, political and social collaboration, Americans having more in common with each other than that which divides them...
If the Dem pair can achieve just a little in terms of improving the tone, intent of and faith in the debate the next four years, as well as re-establishing America’s standing and leadership from a global perspective, it’ll have proved a valuable term.
There’s nothing more repugnant or dangerous than the politics of division, and America has been on its way down a dark path the last four years. Now, at the very least, it will have a leader who will try to undo some of the damage done.
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Exhibit A ladies and gentleman. More one-sided blame it all on Trump and his proxies, the left hasn’t caused any division whatsoever, the media hasn’t caused any division whatsoever, just Trump. It’s just laughable ignorance.
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Its ignorance to think Trump was not part of it or that he didnt throw oil on the fire.
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I haven’t “blamed it all” on Trump or said anything about the media or said anything about “the left”.
But I’ll be leaving it here, I think. I’m not getting involved in this any further.
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Exactly my point. You haven’t mentioned any of the other contributing factors (most likely larger contributors) to the division in the US, all you have mentioned is Trump & his proxies leading the US down a dark path this past four years...
It’s either complete ignorance or deliberate omission due to an entrenched ideology. Either way it’s silly.
posted on 8/11/20
comment by rosso - it’s not good enough to be right; you have to be effective (U17054)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
comment by Hansaplast (U1250)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted about an hour ago
comment by rosso - it’s not good enough to be right; you have to be effective (U17054)
posted 2 hours, 35 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 5 hours, 28 minutes ago
If you’re not with me then you’re my enemy.
Only a sith deals in absolutes.
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Agreed.
Those accusing republicans of division are just hating other opinion and labelling people too.
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The rhetoric of Trump, his campaign and his proxies, from the point of his nomination has been one of division.
They’ve worked incredibly hard to create a political schism and polarise the debate. It’s textbook Bannon, suited, and was adopted wholeheartedly by Trump.
Contrast that with the speeches by Biden and Harris in recent days. They’re talking about bringing the country back together, “healing the divide”, political and social collaboration, Americans having more in common with each other than that which divides them...
If the Dem pair can achieve just a little in terms of improving the tone, intent of and faith in the debate the next four years, as well as re-establishing America’s standing and leadership from a global perspective, it’ll have proved a valuable term.
There’s nothing more repugnant or dangerous than the politics of division, and America has been on its way down a dark path the last four years. Now, at the very least, it will have a leader who will try to undo some of the damage done.
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Exhibit A ladies and gentleman. More one-sided blame it all on Trump and his proxies, the left hasn’t caused any division whatsoever, the media hasn’t caused any division whatsoever, just Trump. It’s just laughable ignorance.
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Its ignorance to think Trump was not part of it or that he didnt throw oil on the fire.
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I haven’t “blamed it all” on Trump or said anything about the media or said anything about “the left”.
But I’ll be leaving it here, I think. I’m not getting involved in this any further.
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I was replying to sat nav, thought that was clear
posted on 8/11/20
comment by Hansaplast (U1250)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by rosso - it’s not good enough to be right; you have to be effective (U17054)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
comment by Hansaplast (U1250)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted about an hour ago
comment by rosso - it’s not good enough to be right; you have to be effective (U17054)
posted 2 hours, 35 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 5 hours, 28 minutes ago
If you’re not with me then you’re my enemy.
Only a sith deals in absolutes.
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Agreed.
Those accusing republicans of division are just hating other opinion and labelling people too.
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The rhetoric of Trump, his campaign and his proxies, from the point of his nomination has been one of division.
They’ve worked incredibly hard to create a political schism and polarise the debate. It’s textbook Bannon, suited, and was adopted wholeheartedly by Trump.
Contrast that with the speeches by Biden and Harris in recent days. They’re talking about bringing the country back together, “healing the divide”, political and social collaboration, Americans having more in common with each other than that which divides them...
If the Dem pair can achieve just a little in terms of improving the tone, intent of and faith in the debate the next four years, as well as re-establishing America’s standing and leadership from a global perspective, it’ll have proved a valuable term.
There’s nothing more repugnant or dangerous than the politics of division, and America has been on its way down a dark path the last four years. Now, at the very least, it will have a leader who will try to undo some of the damage done.
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Exhibit A ladies and gentleman. More one-sided blame it all on Trump and his proxies, the left hasn’t caused any division whatsoever, the media hasn’t caused any division whatsoever, just Trump. It’s just laughable ignorance.
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Its ignorance to think Trump was not part of it or that he didnt throw oil on the fire.
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I haven’t “blamed it all” on Trump or said anything about the media or said anything about “the left”.
But I’ll be leaving it here, I think. I’m not getting involved in this any further.
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I was replying to sat nav, thought that was clear
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It was. Rosso was replying to me indirectly because he has presumably filtered me and blocked me from replying to his threads.
posted on 8/11/20
I think Biden won, but they have to change the mail-in ballots - it's really easy to commit voter fraud as it currently stands.
posted on 8/11/20
comment by ItsAboutTheBackFour (U9916)
posted 52 seconds ago
I think Biden won, but they have to change the mail-in ballots - it's really easy to commit voter fraud as it currently stands.
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If its true what they say about observers then I agree they should be able to have a few in there from each party and they aren't kept a distance away. They are there right by them watching
I was at the count as a party representative in the UK and I could stand right behind them looking at each vote that came in
posted on 8/11/20
comment by ItsAboutTheBackFour (U9916)
posted 12 minutes ago
I think Biden won, but they have to change the mail-in ballots - it's really easy to commit voter fraud as it currently stands.
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No its not. They've done postal votes for 100 years.
posted on 8/11/20
comment by Emperor Kami (U9880)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by ItsAboutTheBackFour (U9916)
posted 52 seconds ago
I think Biden won, but they have to change the mail-in ballots - it's really easy to commit voter fraud as it currently stands.
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If its true what they say about observers then I agree they should be able to have a few in there from each party and they aren't kept a distance away. They are there right by them watching
I was at the count as a party representative in the UK and I could stand right behind them looking at each vote that came in
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They should let as many people with MAGA hats in as want to enter.
And they should be able to scream what ever they want at the vote counting officials whilst brandishing their assault rifles.
It’s all in the Constitution.
posted on 8/11/20
Yes, but when you have a very high number it's much easier to add a high number of fraud ballots - the security is also cack in many States.
It should also be noted that in one State you can have ballots arrive 3 days after the election and it still counts unless there is incontrovertible proof it was posted after Nov 3rd ! In other States they don't check post mark dates at all - they just add them in.
Verification is generally cr_@p, The whole thing is a shambles...
Regardless of who wins you have to trust the system and right now it just isn't good enough.
I think a full recount in Pennsylvania with much more scrutiny is a good idea (it doesn't help that the AG there said he would never allow Trump to win) - Biden will still win and the people will be more accepting of the result.
posted on 8/11/20
Republican and Democrat observers as well as independent observers were at every count as mormal.
Plus, this time the counts were all live-streamed 4 anybody too watch.
posted on 8/11/20
comment by ItsAboutTheBackFour (U9916)
posted 2 minutes ago
Yes, but when you have a very high number it's much easier to add a high number of fraud ballots - the security is also cack in many States.
It should also be noted that in one State you can have ballots arrive 3 days after the election and it still counts unless there is incontrovertible proof it was posted after Nov 3rd ! In other States they don't check post mark dates at all - they just add them in.
Verification is generally cr_@p, The whole thing is a shambles...
Regardless of who wins you have to trust the system and right now it just isn't good enough.
I think a full recount in Pennsylvania with much more scrutiny is a good idea (it doesn't help that the AG there said he would never allow Trump to win) - Biden will still win and the people will be more accepting of the result.
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The system is the same as always.
States have different rules, that is normal.
What makes this one any different 2 previus elections?
posted on 8/11/20
They havent added the mail votes rcvd after Nov 3, they have been set aside, so the counts as they stand r as good as they will get 4 Trump.
posted on 8/11/20
What makes this one any different 2 previus elections?
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Donald Trump wasn’t the loser.
posted on 8/11/20
I never realised until the last couple of days but I have quite a few American friends. A couple are Trump supporters and they seem to have an illogical fear of the Democratic party.
One has been writing to me every day for 3 days telling me I should spread the word that Trump has won a landslide and that Biden supporters are stuffing the ballots, reprogramming counting systems and counting Trump's votes for him. Some of the allegations are just funny - apparently she is claiming a 125% turnout in some areas (waiting for her to tell me that Elvis voted Democrat!!!). She's even insisting that this will end in civil war.
My democrat friends are just happy to be seeing the back of Trump. As you can imagine, he's not the most popular among them.
Trump basically scraped a win last election, losing the popular vote, so it is not out of the realms of probability that he loses by a small amount this time.
My point is that the USA is deeply divided, and more so after 4 years of Trump. I personally dislike him and find him divisive. But the fervour shown by much of his support and the inability to accept defeat is extremely unhealthy and worrying.
posted on 8/11/20
comment by Xiu (U6109)
posted 4 minutes ago
I never realised until the last couple of days but I have quite a few American friends. A couple are Trump supporters and they seem to have an illogical fear of the Democratic party.
One has been writing to me every day for 3 days telling me I should spread the word that Trump has won a landslide and that Biden supporters are stuffing the ballots, reprogramming counting systems and counting Trump's votes for him. Some of the allegations are just funny - apparently she is claiming a 125% turnout in some areas (waiting for her to tell me that Elvis voted Democrat!!!). She's even insisting that this will end in civil war.
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I wonder if we have the same friends. I've got a friend who lives in Rolling Hills and she's also trying to convince me of much the same ... word for word ... landslide win, computer system manipulation, civil war and 100+% turnouts in some areas. And she's also telling me to tell everybody. Irrational?
posted on 8/11/20
Desperate
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