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Stanley Johnson is actually getting his 2nd dose of the vaccine today
this is a guy who's broke countless rules over the last 6-7 months
can't believe they're rolling him out on to national TV
arse of a man
comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 4 minutes ago
they should've vaccinated frontline healthcare workers first
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agreed mate
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 8 minutes ago
Cost of servicing debt went down in 2020 (despite record borrowing) because of record low interest rates. That’s part of the balance of consideration. Blinding talking about having to pay stuff back and increased tax rates does little to further the discussion.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Disagree completely.
Who knows what will happen with interests rates or even indeed the U.K.’s credit rating in the imminent future.
That’s the politics of madness in not thinking about future and unknown consideration. Just how long does anyone think this lockdown, partly open up, lockdown scenario can continue when it’s a well established fact that everyone knows it cannot ever be a long term answer?
£500bn actual cost now and rising fast. And that’s nothing compared to the so far undisclosed and hidden costs that are deliberately not spoke about. It’s like a them for Harry Potter ffs.
That which shall not be named.
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 7 minutes ago
Rules are different in Scotland when it comes to prioritisation.
We’ve two sets of parents mid eighties and with the exception of my dad; all have sever underlying health concerns. One set had their first jag yesterday and second set haven’t heard a bloody thing.
Meanwhile in Scotland we know of 2 individuals; one on their 30’s and the other in their 40’s deemed priority care and neither of whom have any face to face interaction with the public and both working from home.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Are the rules different? The below seems to suggest they’d be the same....
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/statement-from-the-uk-chief-medical-officers-on-the-prioritisation-of-first-doses-of-covid-19-vaccines
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They are being prioritised differently. I’ve given prime examples. Why would a non public facing 30 odd year old be given a vaccine next week? With prior notice and time and date set. That’s quite deliberate and not a case “we’ve got a bit left over here and can’t get anyone else in”
comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 6 minutes ago
Stanley Johnson is actually getting his 2nd dose of the vaccine today
this is a guy who's broke countless rules over the last 6-7 months
can't believe they're rolling him out on to national TV
arse of a man
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Maybe because he is so reckless, to prevent him spreading it, if he was to get it?
comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 9 minutes ago
they should've vaccinated frontline healthcare workers first
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why?
comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 8 seconds ago
just print more money
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We are mate. And still running out.
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 9 minutes ago
But that borrowing rate is manufactured by Western economies. Don't get me started.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Simplistic maths at work.
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 7 minutes ago
Rules are different in Scotland when it comes to prioritisation.
We’ve two sets of parents mid eighties and with the exception of my dad; all have sever underlying health concerns. One set had their first jag yesterday and second set haven’t heard a bloody thing.
Meanwhile in Scotland we know of 2 individuals; one on their 30’s and the other in their 40’s deemed priority care and neither of whom have any face to face interaction with the public and both working from home.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Are the rules different? The below seems to suggest they’d be the same....
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/statement-from-the-uk-chief-medical-officers-on-the-prioritisation-of-first-doses-of-covid-19-vaccines
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They are being prioritised differently. I’ve given prime examples. Why would a non public facing 30 odd year old be given a vaccine next week? With prior notice and time and date set. That’s quite deliberate and not a case “we’ve got a bit left over here and can’t get anyone else in”
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ok but that’s an anecdote and not necessarily how the systems are set up differently. Everything that is available from Scot gov and UK gov websites suggest they follow the same prioritisation. Do you have anything from either government that suggests otherwise?
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 8 seconds ago
just print more money
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We are mate. And still running out.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Never mind the wealth tax will pay it all back.
Putting aside all the costs and the rights and wrongs of what has been done and wheat maybe should have been done; is anyone actually comfortable with the notion that the U.K. and Scottish governments (along with others) can arbitrarily pass laws without scrutiny that impact so much on people’s private lives?
Make them up based on a pandemic with one ‘science” behind it and refusing to even contemplate any other notions and even going as far as shutting down radio stations on social media whilst flatly refusing to demonstrate the hard evidence and the “costs” in persisting with these new regimes.
Laws that will stay on statute long after this has been managed to the best of our ability.
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 9 minutes ago
they should've vaccinated frontline healthcare workers first
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Why?
most exposed to the virus and there's already a high number of absences which is effecting the level of care currently given in hospitals
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 7 minutes ago
Rules are different in Scotland when it comes to prioritisation.
We’ve two sets of parents mid eighties and with the exception of my dad; all have sever underlying health concerns. One set had their first jag yesterday and second set haven’t heard a bloody thing.
Meanwhile in Scotland we know of 2 individuals; one on their 30’s and the other in their 40’s deemed priority care and neither of whom have any face to face interaction with the public and both working from home.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Are the rules different? The below seems to suggest they’d be the same....
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/statement-from-the-uk-chief-medical-officers-on-the-prioritisation-of-first-doses-of-covid-19-vaccines
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They are being prioritised differently. I’ve given prime examples. Why would a non public facing 30 odd year old be given a vaccine next week? With prior notice and time and date set. That’s quite deliberate and not a case “we’ve got a bit left over here and can’t get anyone else in”
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ok but that’s an anecdote and not necessarily how the systems are set up differently. Everything that is available from Scot gov and UK gov websites suggest they follow the same prioritisation. Do you have anything from either government that suggests otherwise?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Whilst the prioritisation groups are alike the reality is different and that’s what matters.
Is anyone comfortable with the scenarios I’ve given? I’m not.
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 8 seconds ago
just print more money
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We are mate. And still running out.
well I'm out ideas now
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 8 seconds ago
just print more money
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We are mate. And still running out.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Never mind the wealth tax will pay it all back.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Except it doesn’t work like people think. It’s impractical.
Again, simplistic maths.
comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 8 seconds ago
just print more money
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We are mate. And still running out.
well I'm out ideas now
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Put a hat on
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 8 minutes ago
Cost of servicing debt went down in 2020 (despite record borrowing) because of record low interest rates. That’s part of the balance of consideration. Blinding talking about having to pay stuff back and increased tax rates does little to further the discussion.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Disagree completely.
Who knows what will happen with interests rates or even indeed the U.K.’s credit rating in the imminent future.
That’s the politics of madness in not thinking about future and unknown consideration. Just how long does anyone think this lockdown, partly open up, lockdown scenario can continue when it’s a well established fact that everyone knows it cannot ever be a long term answer?
£500bn actual cost now and rising fast. And that’s nothing compared to the so far undisclosed and hidden costs that are deliberately not spoke about. It’s like a them for Harry Potter ffs.
That which shall not be named.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I mean I do a fair amount of projections on such things through work. The credit rating of the UK is much more a risk of downgrade from brexit than anything, and even then is fairly unlikely (<5%) to move in a way that materially adversely affects debt payments.
The real madness is doing everything half baked. Christmas open up. Lack of closed borders. Schools and unis opened then closed. Not to mention the incalculable impact of the so-called “lockdown sceptics” influencing behaviour.
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 7 minutes ago
Rules are different in Scotland when it comes to prioritisation.
We’ve two sets of parents mid eighties and with the exception of my dad; all have sever underlying health concerns. One set had their first jag yesterday and second set haven’t heard a bloody thing.
Meanwhile in Scotland we know of 2 individuals; one on their 30’s and the other in their 40’s deemed priority care and neither of whom have any face to face interaction with the public and both working from home.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Are the rules different? The below seems to suggest they’d be the same....
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/statement-from-the-uk-chief-medical-officers-on-the-prioritisation-of-first-doses-of-covid-19-vaccines
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They are being prioritised differently. I’ve given prime examples. Why would a non public facing 30 odd year old be given a vaccine next week? With prior notice and time and date set. That’s quite deliberate and not a case “we’ve got a bit left over here and can’t get anyone else in”
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ok but that’s an anecdote and not necessarily how the systems are set up differently. Everything that is available from Scot gov and UK gov websites suggest they follow the same prioritisation. Do you have anything from either government that suggests otherwise?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Whilst the prioritisation groups are alike the reality is different and that’s what matters.
Is anyone comfortable with the scenarios I’ve given? I’m not.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So we agree that the same prioritisation groups have been set. The COVID-19 actuarial working group, of whom I work with or have worked with several of the members, was fairly influential in outlining the most effective ordering, and everything that has been provided by the governments in holyrood and Westminster shows that they are being followed.
And so we have two scenarios. Either;
a) these people got the vaccine in error, and there is a process/control operation failure; or
b) these people are part of the highest category group (perhaps due to being carers which along with vulnerable people in LTHC setting were the top priority) and thus due to get the vaccine, and the information you have is potentially incomplete.
comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 13 minutes ago
just print more money
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Certainly worked in Zimbabwae
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 8 minutes ago
Cost of servicing debt went down in 2020 (despite record borrowing) because of record low interest rates. That’s part of the balance of consideration. Blinding talking about having to pay stuff back and increased tax rates does little to further the discussion.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Disagree completely.
Who knows what will happen with interests rates or even indeed the U.K.’s credit rating in the imminent future.
That’s the politics of madness in not thinking about future and unknown consideration. Just how long does anyone think this lockdown, partly open up, lockdown scenario can continue when it’s a well established fact that everyone knows it cannot ever be a long term answer?
£500bn actual cost now and rising fast. And that’s nothing compared to the so far undisclosed and hidden costs that are deliberately not spoke about. It’s like a them for Harry Potter ffs.
That which shall not be named.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I mean I do a fair amount of projections on such things through work. The credit rating of the UK is much more a risk of downgrade from brexit than anything, and even then is fairly unlikely (<5%) to move in a way that materially adversely affects debt payments.
The real madness is doing everything half baked. Christmas open up. Lack of closed borders. Schools and unis opened then closed. Not to mention the incalculable impact of the so-called “lockdown sceptics” influencing behaviour.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agreed.
Undoubtedly we have been far from perfect in dealing with this; never mind some of the “deals” that have been done or the sheer greed in ripping the rse out of it from consultancies to supply. Human nature and greed eh?
I simply refuse to blame anyone until this is over and we have a full enquiry. Even then I’ll refuse to blame minsters as I don’t believe anything was done with any malice whatsoever. Governments by their very nature and the rewards on offer are incompetent. They don’t have the skill sets. It only every becomes fully apparent during times of crisis and they then have to turn to private enterprise in one way or another and as often as not to someone they know. It happens the world over.
I also think it ridiculous to compare numbers like it’s some kind of competition.
Look at us. We’re number 1 when it comes to deaths
Etc etc
All were wrong at the time and look even more ridiculous now.
My major gripe is the way civil liberties are cast aside like a used wet wipe and written into a new law dreamed up overnight and based on a few weeks or days of numbers or what the latest doom mongerer is whispering in the PM or FM’s ear.
How can they do much else when some scientists roll up on a Friday afternoon and say “unless you do x then 4,000 people a day may die according to my latest model”?
It’s a policy of panic without review.
Modern a vaccine now approved by U.K.
Good. Expensive but money is no object right?
Oh also could have option c;
These people duplicitously got the vaccine by lying or providing false information, in which case that’s again a control failure but one harder to detect.
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 6 seconds ago
Oh also could have option c;
These people duplicitously got the vaccine by lying or providing false information, in which case that’s again a control failure but one harder to detect.
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Where’s Ally asking for these two people’s names?
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Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 8/1/21
Stanley Johnson is actually getting his 2nd dose of the vaccine today
this is a guy who's broke countless rules over the last 6-7 months
can't believe they're rolling him out on to national TV
arse of a man
posted on 8/1/21
comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 4 minutes ago
they should've vaccinated frontline healthcare workers first
----------------------------------------------------------------------
agreed mate
posted on 8/1/21
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 8 minutes ago
Cost of servicing debt went down in 2020 (despite record borrowing) because of record low interest rates. That’s part of the balance of consideration. Blinding talking about having to pay stuff back and increased tax rates does little to further the discussion.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Disagree completely.
Who knows what will happen with interests rates or even indeed the U.K.’s credit rating in the imminent future.
That’s the politics of madness in not thinking about future and unknown consideration. Just how long does anyone think this lockdown, partly open up, lockdown scenario can continue when it’s a well established fact that everyone knows it cannot ever be a long term answer?
£500bn actual cost now and rising fast. And that’s nothing compared to the so far undisclosed and hidden costs that are deliberately not spoke about. It’s like a them for Harry Potter ffs.
That which shall not be named.
posted on 8/1/21
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 7 minutes ago
Rules are different in Scotland when it comes to prioritisation.
We’ve two sets of parents mid eighties and with the exception of my dad; all have sever underlying health concerns. One set had their first jag yesterday and second set haven’t heard a bloody thing.
Meanwhile in Scotland we know of 2 individuals; one on their 30’s and the other in their 40’s deemed priority care and neither of whom have any face to face interaction with the public and both working from home.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Are the rules different? The below seems to suggest they’d be the same....
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/statement-from-the-uk-chief-medical-officers-on-the-prioritisation-of-first-doses-of-covid-19-vaccines
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They are being prioritised differently. I’ve given prime examples. Why would a non public facing 30 odd year old be given a vaccine next week? With prior notice and time and date set. That’s quite deliberate and not a case “we’ve got a bit left over here and can’t get anyone else in”
posted on 8/1/21
just print more money
posted on 8/1/21
comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 6 minutes ago
Stanley Johnson is actually getting his 2nd dose of the vaccine today
this is a guy who's broke countless rules over the last 6-7 months
can't believe they're rolling him out on to national TV
arse of a man
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Maybe because he is so reckless, to prevent him spreading it, if he was to get it?
posted on 8/1/21
comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 9 minutes ago
they should've vaccinated frontline healthcare workers first
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why?
posted on 8/1/21
comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 8 seconds ago
just print more money
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We are mate. And still running out.
posted on 8/1/21
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 9 minutes ago
But that borrowing rate is manufactured by Western economies. Don't get me started.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Simplistic maths at work.
posted on 8/1/21
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 7 minutes ago
Rules are different in Scotland when it comes to prioritisation.
We’ve two sets of parents mid eighties and with the exception of my dad; all have sever underlying health concerns. One set had their first jag yesterday and second set haven’t heard a bloody thing.
Meanwhile in Scotland we know of 2 individuals; one on their 30’s and the other in their 40’s deemed priority care and neither of whom have any face to face interaction with the public and both working from home.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Are the rules different? The below seems to suggest they’d be the same....
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/statement-from-the-uk-chief-medical-officers-on-the-prioritisation-of-first-doses-of-covid-19-vaccines
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They are being prioritised differently. I’ve given prime examples. Why would a non public facing 30 odd year old be given a vaccine next week? With prior notice and time and date set. That’s quite deliberate and not a case “we’ve got a bit left over here and can’t get anyone else in”
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ok but that’s an anecdote and not necessarily how the systems are set up differently. Everything that is available from Scot gov and UK gov websites suggest they follow the same prioritisation. Do you have anything from either government that suggests otherwise?
posted on 8/1/21
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 8 seconds ago
just print more money
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We are mate. And still running out.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Never mind the wealth tax will pay it all back.
posted on 8/1/21
Putting aside all the costs and the rights and wrongs of what has been done and wheat maybe should have been done; is anyone actually comfortable with the notion that the U.K. and Scottish governments (along with others) can arbitrarily pass laws without scrutiny that impact so much on people’s private lives?
Make them up based on a pandemic with one ‘science” behind it and refusing to even contemplate any other notions and even going as far as shutting down radio stations on social media whilst flatly refusing to demonstrate the hard evidence and the “costs” in persisting with these new regimes.
Laws that will stay on statute long after this has been managed to the best of our ability.
posted on 8/1/21
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 9 minutes ago
they should've vaccinated frontline healthcare workers first
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why?
most exposed to the virus and there's already a high number of absences which is effecting the level of care currently given in hospitals
posted on 8/1/21
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 7 minutes ago
Rules are different in Scotland when it comes to prioritisation.
We’ve two sets of parents mid eighties and with the exception of my dad; all have sever underlying health concerns. One set had their first jag yesterday and second set haven’t heard a bloody thing.
Meanwhile in Scotland we know of 2 individuals; one on their 30’s and the other in their 40’s deemed priority care and neither of whom have any face to face interaction with the public and both working from home.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Are the rules different? The below seems to suggest they’d be the same....
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/statement-from-the-uk-chief-medical-officers-on-the-prioritisation-of-first-doses-of-covid-19-vaccines
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They are being prioritised differently. I’ve given prime examples. Why would a non public facing 30 odd year old be given a vaccine next week? With prior notice and time and date set. That’s quite deliberate and not a case “we’ve got a bit left over here and can’t get anyone else in”
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ok but that’s an anecdote and not necessarily how the systems are set up differently. Everything that is available from Scot gov and UK gov websites suggest they follow the same prioritisation. Do you have anything from either government that suggests otherwise?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Whilst the prioritisation groups are alike the reality is different and that’s what matters.
Is anyone comfortable with the scenarios I’ve given? I’m not.
posted on 8/1/21
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 8 seconds ago
just print more money
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We are mate. And still running out.
well I'm out ideas now
posted on 8/1/21
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 8 seconds ago
just print more money
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We are mate. And still running out.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Never mind the wealth tax will pay it all back.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Except it doesn’t work like people think. It’s impractical.
Again, simplistic maths.
posted on 8/1/21
comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 8 seconds ago
just print more money
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We are mate. And still running out.
well I'm out ideas now
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Put a hat on
posted on 8/1/21
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 8 minutes ago
Cost of servicing debt went down in 2020 (despite record borrowing) because of record low interest rates. That’s part of the balance of consideration. Blinding talking about having to pay stuff back and increased tax rates does little to further the discussion.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Disagree completely.
Who knows what will happen with interests rates or even indeed the U.K.’s credit rating in the imminent future.
That’s the politics of madness in not thinking about future and unknown consideration. Just how long does anyone think this lockdown, partly open up, lockdown scenario can continue when it’s a well established fact that everyone knows it cannot ever be a long term answer?
£500bn actual cost now and rising fast. And that’s nothing compared to the so far undisclosed and hidden costs that are deliberately not spoke about. It’s like a them for Harry Potter ffs.
That which shall not be named.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I mean I do a fair amount of projections on such things through work. The credit rating of the UK is much more a risk of downgrade from brexit than anything, and even then is fairly unlikely (<5%) to move in a way that materially adversely affects debt payments.
The real madness is doing everything half baked. Christmas open up. Lack of closed borders. Schools and unis opened then closed. Not to mention the incalculable impact of the so-called “lockdown sceptics” influencing behaviour.
posted on 8/1/21
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 7 minutes ago
Rules are different in Scotland when it comes to prioritisation.
We’ve two sets of parents mid eighties and with the exception of my dad; all have sever underlying health concerns. One set had their first jag yesterday and second set haven’t heard a bloody thing.
Meanwhile in Scotland we know of 2 individuals; one on their 30’s and the other in their 40’s deemed priority care and neither of whom have any face to face interaction with the public and both working from home.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Are the rules different? The below seems to suggest they’d be the same....
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/statement-from-the-uk-chief-medical-officers-on-the-prioritisation-of-first-doses-of-covid-19-vaccines
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They are being prioritised differently. I’ve given prime examples. Why would a non public facing 30 odd year old be given a vaccine next week? With prior notice and time and date set. That’s quite deliberate and not a case “we’ve got a bit left over here and can’t get anyone else in”
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ok but that’s an anecdote and not necessarily how the systems are set up differently. Everything that is available from Scot gov and UK gov websites suggest they follow the same prioritisation. Do you have anything from either government that suggests otherwise?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Whilst the prioritisation groups are alike the reality is different and that’s what matters.
Is anyone comfortable with the scenarios I’ve given? I’m not.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So we agree that the same prioritisation groups have been set. The COVID-19 actuarial working group, of whom I work with or have worked with several of the members, was fairly influential in outlining the most effective ordering, and everything that has been provided by the governments in holyrood and Westminster shows that they are being followed.
And so we have two scenarios. Either;
a) these people got the vaccine in error, and there is a process/control operation failure; or
b) these people are part of the highest category group (perhaps due to being carers which along with vulnerable people in LTHC setting were the top priority) and thus due to get the vaccine, and the information you have is potentially incomplete.
posted on 8/1/21
comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 13 minutes ago
just print more money
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Certainly worked in Zimbabwae
posted on 8/1/21
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 8 minutes ago
Cost of servicing debt went down in 2020 (despite record borrowing) because of record low interest rates. That’s part of the balance of consideration. Blinding talking about having to pay stuff back and increased tax rates does little to further the discussion.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Disagree completely.
Who knows what will happen with interests rates or even indeed the U.K.’s credit rating in the imminent future.
That’s the politics of madness in not thinking about future and unknown consideration. Just how long does anyone think this lockdown, partly open up, lockdown scenario can continue when it’s a well established fact that everyone knows it cannot ever be a long term answer?
£500bn actual cost now and rising fast. And that’s nothing compared to the so far undisclosed and hidden costs that are deliberately not spoke about. It’s like a them for Harry Potter ffs.
That which shall not be named.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I mean I do a fair amount of projections on such things through work. The credit rating of the UK is much more a risk of downgrade from brexit than anything, and even then is fairly unlikely (<5%) to move in a way that materially adversely affects debt payments.
The real madness is doing everything half baked. Christmas open up. Lack of closed borders. Schools and unis opened then closed. Not to mention the incalculable impact of the so-called “lockdown sceptics” influencing behaviour.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agreed.
Undoubtedly we have been far from perfect in dealing with this; never mind some of the “deals” that have been done or the sheer greed in ripping the rse out of it from consultancies to supply. Human nature and greed eh?
I simply refuse to blame anyone until this is over and we have a full enquiry. Even then I’ll refuse to blame minsters as I don’t believe anything was done with any malice whatsoever. Governments by their very nature and the rewards on offer are incompetent. They don’t have the skill sets. It only every becomes fully apparent during times of crisis and they then have to turn to private enterprise in one way or another and as often as not to someone they know. It happens the world over.
I also think it ridiculous to compare numbers like it’s some kind of competition.
Look at us. We’re number 1 when it comes to deaths
Etc etc
All were wrong at the time and look even more ridiculous now.
My major gripe is the way civil liberties are cast aside like a used wet wipe and written into a new law dreamed up overnight and based on a few weeks or days of numbers or what the latest doom mongerer is whispering in the PM or FM’s ear.
How can they do much else when some scientists roll up on a Friday afternoon and say “unless you do x then 4,000 people a day may die according to my latest model”?
It’s a policy of panic without review.
posted on 8/1/21
Modern a vaccine now approved by U.K.
Good. Expensive but money is no object right?
posted on 8/1/21
Oh also could have option c;
These people duplicitously got the vaccine by lying or providing false information, in which case that’s again a control failure but one harder to detect.
posted on 8/1/21
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 6 seconds ago
Oh also could have option c;
These people duplicitously got the vaccine by lying or providing false information, in which case that’s again a control failure but one harder to detect.
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Where’s Ally asking for these two people’s names?
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