The law specifically mentions that the ref has to take into account:
The following must be considered:
distance between the offence and the goal
general direction of the play
likelihood of keeping or gaining control of the ball
location and number of defenders
The bottom 2 for me rule this out for a red. And both are about "covering defenders" in this case.
comment by gone but never forgotten (U21659)
posted 1 minute ago
Salah should have been red carded for that theatrical dive
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It was worthy of a Golden Globe at least😁
The more red cards Arsenal get the better.
Salah wasn't attempting to play the ball either. Can't be a goalscoring opportunity if the attacking player has thrown himself to the floor.
comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 16 minutes ago
Salah wasn't attempting to play the ball either. Can't be a goalscoring opportunity if the attacking player has thrown himself to the floor.
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If he wasn't pulled back he wouldn't have went to the floor and either shoots or plays Mane in.
Not that I think it was a red card, as Stones was covering.
The foul / shirt pull on Lacazette was 100 times worse than this foul which Salah got a penalty for. Actually makes you sick seeing the bias against Arsenal for clear and easy decisions.
As for the player not being sent off that's pretty easy. it's because his name is not David Luiz.
Luiz has a reputation so any so called foul in the box goes against him.
comment by MaineGunner (U10130)
posted 1 hour, 37 minutes ago
Ok...let's clarify. Salah went down easily. Minimal tug back..but this season..we have seen those given. Now...is it a red or yellow? Well the law as written does not mention any covering defenders. If Salah was past Diaz and about 12 yards from goal...even with stones coming across...it is STILL a goalscoring opportunity. Especially for the player leading the goalscoring charts in the league. So if you put those together and then add the fact that the ref gave a penalty for the foul with Diaz making NO attempt to win the ball, it should be a red.
Now...bring common sense in and yes a yellow is correct. What we are asking for is consistency. If Luiz was a red..so is this. If this is a yellow...Luiz's red card should have been rescinded Nd the FA should have apologized.
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Finally someone with some f***king common sense. All of that is correct.
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 1 hour, 45 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 11 minutes ago
Salah dive, Oliver must have known that.
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Of course it was a dive but it was still a foul. You think Salah should continue on having been pulled back in the box? Referees don't give it if they don't go down. We all know this by now in the modern game.
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Condoning diving again, TOOR?
Only if it's a liverpool player, like
Does Dias have a reputation for committing multiple infringements like this repeatedly every season? David Luiz didn't get and given his reputation for this, shouldn't have been given the benefit of the doubt. He just does it too often.
Seriously people gotta stop fecking whining about cards every week. "Oh but pool got a pen, arsenal are persecuted " Ain't any amount of whining and crying about it like a 6 yr old gonna change anything, so forget it and move on already.
Especially the Luiz one. It's ridiculous to expect a ref to give a player notorious for bringing players down clumsily, the benefit of the doubt in that situation. So instead of vexing at the ref, point your anger toward the numpty manager who put Luiz on the pitch to be able to do that yet again. We should have released Luiz in the summer, not renewed his contract, Arteta fail.
Does Dias have a reputation for committing multiple infringements like this repeatedly every season? David Luiz didn't get and given his reputation for this, shouldn't have been given the benefit of the doubt. He just does it too often.
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I personally don't think it's a Luiz issue, to me it looks like an Arsenal agenda. It just seems acceptable to send off an Arsenal player with ease as the refs know nothing will come of it.
Think of it this way Luiz when at Chelsea wasn't sent off once for them as far as i can remember and was hardly ever booked.
Why is that? he's the same players, does the same fouls ect but it's just easy to give Arsenal players bookings.
Look at the Gabriel sending off against Southampton. his first yellow was for stopping a quick FK. This literally happens every week and no bookings are dished out yet Gabriel was book and then his next foul was another yellow.
Seems to be happening every time. Our players get booked for fouls whereas other players do the same and get nothing.
comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
posted 2 hours, 25 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 1 hour, 45 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 11 minutes ago
Salah dive, Oliver must have known that.
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Of course it was a dive but it was still a foul. You think Salah should continue on having been pulled back in the box? Referees don't give it if they don't go down. We all know this by now in the modern game.
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Condoning diving again, TOOR?
Only if it's a liverpool player, like
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I suppose I am. I've said it a thousand times before but diving will always happen as long as referees are reluctant to give penalties for fouls when the player hasn't gone down. If they give them for fouls when the player hasn't gone down then Salah can stay on his feet and if he doesn't get the advantage, ie. scores then a penalty is given.
Not a fan of diving of course, not sure anybody is but I'd rather Liverpool players dive when fouled than risk losing the opportunity to score because they were fouled and therefore being put at an unfair disadvantage.
I hold the same opinion on all players for all clubs so I'm not sure why you're trying the only Liverpool players angle.
comment by BO$$™ (U6401)
posted 2 minutes ago
Does Dias have a reputation for committing multiple infringements like this repeatedly every season? David Luiz didn't get and given his reputation for this, shouldn't have been given the benefit of the doubt. He just does it too often.
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I personally don't think it's a Luiz issue, to me it looks like an Arsenal agenda. It just seems acceptable to send off an Arsenal player with ease as the refs know nothing will come of it.
Think of it this way Luiz when at Chelsea wasn't sent off once for them as far as i can remember and was hardly ever booked.
Why is that? he's the same players, does the same fouls ect but it's just easy to give Arsenal players bookings.
Look at the Gabriel sending off against Southampton. his first yellow was for stopping a quick FK. This literally happens every week and no bookings are dished out yet Gabriel was book and then his next foul was another yellow.
Seems to be happening every time. Our players get booked for fouls whereas other players do the same and get nothing.
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There is definitely an agenda. When watching us, often I see us fouled 3 or 4 times in the first 15 mins and no cards given. Then the first hard tackle we make...yellow card. I'd like to see the stats around fouls per card ratio.
comment by MaineGunner (U10130)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by BO$$™ (U6401)
posted 2 minutes ago
Does Dias have a reputation for committing multiple infringements like this repeatedly every season? David Luiz didn't get and given his reputation for this, shouldn't have been given the benefit of the doubt. He just does it too often.
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I personally don't think it's a Luiz issue, to me it looks like an Arsenal agenda. It just seems acceptable to send off an Arsenal player with ease as the refs know nothing will come of it.
Think of it this way Luiz when at Chelsea wasn't sent off once for them as far as i can remember and was hardly ever booked.
Why is that? he's the same players, does the same fouls ect but it's just easy to give Arsenal players bookings.
Look at the Gabriel sending off against Southampton. his first yellow was for stopping a quick FK. This literally happens every week and no bookings are dished out yet Gabriel was book and then his next foul was another yellow.
Seems to be happening every time. Our players get booked for fouls whereas other players do the same and get nothing.
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There is definitely an agenda. When watching us, often I see us fouled 3 or 4 times in the first 15 mins and no cards given. Then the first hard tackle we make...yellow card. I'd like to see the stats around fouls per card ratio.
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https://untold-arsenal.com/archives/79410
Here we are from last season. Like I thought....we commit the FEWEST number of fouls before we get yellow cards.
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
posted 2 hours, 25 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 1 hour, 45 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 11 minutes ago
Salah dive, Oliver must have known that.
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Of course it was a dive but it was still a foul. You think Salah should continue on having been pulled back in the box? Referees don't give it if they don't go down. We all know this by now in the modern game.
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Condoning diving again, TOOR?
Only if it's a liverpool player, like
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I suppose I am. I've said it a thousand times before but diving will always happen as long as referees are reluctant to give penalties for fouls when the player hasn't gone down. If they give them for fouls when the player hasn't gone down then Salah can stay on his feet and if he doesn't get the advantage, ie. scores then a penalty is given.
Not a fan of diving of course, not sure anybody is but I'd rather Liverpool players dive when fouled than risk losing the opportunity to score because they were fouled and therefore being put at an unfair disadvantage.
I hold the same opinion on all players for all clubs so I'm not sure why you're trying the only Liverpool players angle.
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I'm fairly sure you had a go at Cavani for diving when he was fouled by Fabinho for United's winner in the FA Cup. It was probably a bit of sour grapes, but I don't recall you congratulating him for cleverly making sure he got a free kick when there was contact just in case the ref missed it.
Anyway, I'm not a fan of diving in any circumstances, I'd rather have my players honest.
Why didn't Fabinho get a card for the penalty, Sterling was through on goal?
https://untold-arsenal.com/archives/79410
Here we are from last season. Like I thought....we commit the FEWEST number of fouls before we get yellow cards.
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Great find Maine
I think refs have a subconscious bias against Arsenal. They see our players commit a foul and automatically thinks it's a dirty foul and the cards come out.
If you look back at all the Arsenal reds cars under Arteta how many of them would seriously be given against other teams ? I don't think United or Pool would get more that 2 reds cards out of the 8 or so we have had.
comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
posted 2 hours, 25 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 1 hour, 45 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 11 minutes ago
Salah dive, Oliver must have known that.
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Of course it was a dive but it was still a foul. You think Salah should continue on having been pulled back in the box? Referees don't give it if they don't go down. We all know this by now in the modern game.
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Condoning diving again, TOOR?
Only if it's a liverpool player, like
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I suppose I am. I've said it a thousand times before but diving will always happen as long as referees are reluctant to give penalties for fouls when the player hasn't gone down. If they give them for fouls when the player hasn't gone down then Salah can stay on his feet and if he doesn't get the advantage, ie. scores then a penalty is given.
Not a fan of diving of course, not sure anybody is but I'd rather Liverpool players dive when fouled than risk losing the opportunity to score because they were fouled and therefore being put at an unfair disadvantage.
I hold the same opinion on all players for all clubs so I'm not sure why you're trying the only Liverpool players angle.
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I'm fairly sure you had a go at Cavani for diving when he was fouled by Fabinho for United's winner in the FA Cup. It was probably a bit of sour grapes, but I don't recall you congratulating him for cleverly making sure he got a free kick when there was contact just in case the ref missed it.
Anyway, I'm not a fan of diving in any circumstances, I'd rather have my players honest.
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That's because he was on his way down before the foul. Like the Mané dive in the first half today. Also my exact words were Cavani was clever with the dive.
Its all because the refs and VAR are a bunch of corrupt kunts.
I would love for a manager to come out and say the same thing.
As for Aston Villa , Arsenal shouldn't even be playing them as they should have gone down instead of Bournemouth last season. Corruption denies Sheff Utd a perfectly good goal against them
comment by Flip Flop Flip Flop (U22503)
posted 21 minutes ago
Its all because the refs and VAR are a bunch of corrupt kunts.
I would love for a manager to come out and say the same thing.
As for Aston Villa , Arsenal shouldn't even be playing them as they should have gone down instead of Bournemouth last season. Corruption denies Sheff Utd a perfectly good goal against them
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Yeah but if we'd have gone down we couldn't have taken 6 points off you easily this season which we really enjoyed!🤣😉
We kept Villa up in order to relegate Watford.
comment by Bumble (U6465)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Flip Flop Flip Flop (U22503)
posted 21 minutes ago
Its all because the refs and VAR are a bunch of corrupt kunts.
I would love for a manager to come out and say the same thing.
As for Aston Villa , Arsenal shouldn't even be playing them as they should have gone down instead of Bournemouth last season. Corruption denies Sheff Utd a perfectly good goal against them
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Yeah but if we'd have gone down we couldn't have taken 6 points off you easily this season which we really enjoyed!🤣😉
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Well thats another record Arteta has made.The first Arsenal manager in over a century to lose his first 3 games to Villa
comment by MaineGunner (U10130)
posted 9 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by BO$$™ (U6401)
posted 2 minutes ago
Does Dias have a reputation for committing multiple infringements like this repeatedly every season? David Luiz didn't get and given his reputation for this, shouldn't have been given the benefit of the doubt. He just does it too often.
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I personally don't think it's a Luiz issue, to me it looks like an Arsenal agenda. It just seems acceptable to send off an Arsenal player with ease as the refs know nothing will come of it.
Think of it this way Luiz when at Chelsea wasn't sent off once for them as far as i can remember and was hardly ever booked.
Why is that? he's the same players, does the same fouls ect but it's just easy to give Arsenal players bookings.
Look at the Gabriel sending off against Southampton. his first yellow was for stopping a quick FK. This literally happens every week and no bookings are dished out yet Gabriel was book and then his next foul was another yellow.
Seems to be happening every time. Our players get booked for fouls whereas other players do the same and get nothing.
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There is definitely an agenda. When watching us, often I see us fouled 3 or 4 times in the first 15 mins and no cards given. Then the first hard tackle we make...yellow card. I'd like to see the stats around fouls per card ratio.
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Saw this stat
‘Arsenal are now top of the league in terms of red cards and 8th in yellows.
They are 20th in terms of fouls per game.
By comparison Tottenham are 4th in fouls per game and 17th in cards awarded.’
Could show refs are quick to book our players. Suppose you’d have to look at the severity of our challenges to be sure. Think we got that reputation under Wenger of being a soft team, and to beat us teams had to kick us off the park. Fouling then Always seemed acceptable against us, and when we complained it was made out, particularly in the media, that we were soft and couldn’t handle the physical side of the game. Maybe that’s still hanging around and refs think we make most of our challenges
Think perception of teams/players reputation definitely has an impact on decisions. Doubt there’s any grand conspiracy, it’s just an unconscious bias that has an influence. It’s not just us, you see other teams and players not get decisions based on reputation and perception
Some really missing the point.
David Luiz is a fvckin donkey, has always been a donkey and always will be a Donkey.
Just remember his performance against Germany on his own turf. Fvckin Donkey
comment by A Catalyst For Change (U7080)
posted 2 hours, 18 minutes ago
comment by MaineGunner (U10130)
posted 9 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by BO$$™ (U6401)
posted 2 minutes ago
Does Dias have a reputation for committing multiple infringements like this repeatedly every season? David Luiz didn't get and given his reputation for this, shouldn't have been given the benefit of the doubt. He just does it too often.
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I personally don't think it's a Luiz issue, to me it looks like an Arsenal agenda. It just seems acceptable to send off an Arsenal player with ease as the refs know nothing will come of it.
Think of it this way Luiz when at Chelsea wasn't sent off once for them as far as i can remember and was hardly ever booked.
Why is that? he's the same players, does the same fouls ect but it's just easy to give Arsenal players bookings.
Look at the Gabriel sending off against Southampton. his first yellow was for stopping a quick FK. This literally happens every week and no bookings are dished out yet Gabriel was book and then his next foul was another yellow.
Seems to be happening every time. Our players get booked for fouls whereas other players do the same and get nothing.
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There is definitely an agenda. When watching us, often I see us fouled 3 or 4 times in the first 15 mins and no cards given. Then the first hard tackle we make...yellow card. I'd like to see the stats around fouls per card ratio.
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Saw this stat
‘Arsenal are now top of the league in terms of red cards and 8th in yellows.
They are 20th in terms of fouls per game.
By comparison Tottenham are 4th in fouls per game and 17th in cards awarded.’
Could show refs are quick to book our players. Suppose you’d have to look at the severity of our challenges to be sure. Think we got that reputation under Wenger of being a soft team, and to beat us teams had to kick us off the park. Fouling then Always seemed acceptable against us, and when we complained it was made out, particularly in the media, that we were soft and couldn’t handle the physical side of the game. Maybe that’s still hanging around and refs think we make most of our challenges
Think perception of teams/players reputation definitely has an impact on decisions. Doubt there’s any grand conspiracy, it’s just an unconscious bias that has an influence. It’s not just us, you see other teams and players not get decisions based on reputation and perception
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I totally get that it is not a conspiracy but it is a massive widespread bias that is affecting us. I often watch players against us commit foul after foul and not get booked. And if they do, they are free to commit a further 3 or 4 more and there is no second yellow. However...look at us. Gabriel is the most recent example of getting a yellow for a soft reason (stopping a free kick) which by the way happens in most games with no consequences. And then a few minutes later, gets a second yellow for his first tackle after the first yellow. Then us vs Villa...you had Saka subjected to a yellow card worthy foul by a player on a yellow and nothing. You had wan bissaka and Maguire commit multiple yellow card worthy fouls and yet nothing.
So flipping annoying. We are a poor team at the moment and biased refereeing decisions make a massive difference. VAR never works for us. I was shocked when ESR had his red card changed to a yellow...and that was after the ref immediately without any hesitation produced a red. Refs look eager to send our players off but I can't remember the last time we played against 10 men
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Why is Ruben Dias not Red Carded ???
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posted on 7/2/21
The law specifically mentions that the ref has to take into account:
The following must be considered:
distance between the offence and the goal
general direction of the play
likelihood of keeping or gaining control of the ball
location and number of defenders
The bottom 2 for me rule this out for a red. And both are about "covering defenders" in this case.
posted on 7/2/21
comment by gone but never forgotten (U21659)
posted 1 minute ago
Salah should have been red carded for that theatrical dive
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It was worthy of a Golden Globe at least😁
posted on 7/2/21
The more red cards Arsenal get the better.
posted on 7/2/21
Salah wasn't attempting to play the ball either. Can't be a goalscoring opportunity if the attacking player has thrown himself to the floor.
posted on 7/2/21
comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 16 minutes ago
Salah wasn't attempting to play the ball either. Can't be a goalscoring opportunity if the attacking player has thrown himself to the floor.
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If he wasn't pulled back he wouldn't have went to the floor and either shoots or plays Mane in.
Not that I think it was a red card, as Stones was covering.
posted on 7/2/21
The foul / shirt pull on Lacazette was 100 times worse than this foul which Salah got a penalty for. Actually makes you sick seeing the bias against Arsenal for clear and easy decisions.
As for the player not being sent off that's pretty easy. it's because his name is not David Luiz.
Luiz has a reputation so any so called foul in the box goes against him.
posted on 7/2/21
comment by MaineGunner (U10130)
posted 1 hour, 37 minutes ago
Ok...let's clarify. Salah went down easily. Minimal tug back..but this season..we have seen those given. Now...is it a red or yellow? Well the law as written does not mention any covering defenders. If Salah was past Diaz and about 12 yards from goal...even with stones coming across...it is STILL a goalscoring opportunity. Especially for the player leading the goalscoring charts in the league. So if you put those together and then add the fact that the ref gave a penalty for the foul with Diaz making NO attempt to win the ball, it should be a red.
Now...bring common sense in and yes a yellow is correct. What we are asking for is consistency. If Luiz was a red..so is this. If this is a yellow...Luiz's red card should have been rescinded Nd the FA should have apologized.
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Finally someone with some f***king common sense. All of that is correct.
posted on 7/2/21
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 1 hour, 45 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 11 minutes ago
Salah dive, Oliver must have known that.
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Of course it was a dive but it was still a foul. You think Salah should continue on having been pulled back in the box? Referees don't give it if they don't go down. We all know this by now in the modern game.
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Condoning diving again, TOOR?
Only if it's a liverpool player, like
posted on 7/2/21
Does Dias have a reputation for committing multiple infringements like this repeatedly every season? David Luiz didn't get and given his reputation for this, shouldn't have been given the benefit of the doubt. He just does it too often.
Seriously people gotta stop fecking whining about cards every week. "Oh but pool got a pen, arsenal are persecuted " Ain't any amount of whining and crying about it like a 6 yr old gonna change anything, so forget it and move on already.
Especially the Luiz one. It's ridiculous to expect a ref to give a player notorious for bringing players down clumsily, the benefit of the doubt in that situation. So instead of vexing at the ref, point your anger toward the numpty manager who put Luiz on the pitch to be able to do that yet again. We should have released Luiz in the summer, not renewed his contract, Arteta fail.
posted on 7/2/21
Does Dias have a reputation for committing multiple infringements like this repeatedly every season? David Luiz didn't get and given his reputation for this, shouldn't have been given the benefit of the doubt. He just does it too often.
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I personally don't think it's a Luiz issue, to me it looks like an Arsenal agenda. It just seems acceptable to send off an Arsenal player with ease as the refs know nothing will come of it.
Think of it this way Luiz when at Chelsea wasn't sent off once for them as far as i can remember and was hardly ever booked.
Why is that? he's the same players, does the same fouls ect but it's just easy to give Arsenal players bookings.
Look at the Gabriel sending off against Southampton. his first yellow was for stopping a quick FK. This literally happens every week and no bookings are dished out yet Gabriel was book and then his next foul was another yellow.
Seems to be happening every time. Our players get booked for fouls whereas other players do the same and get nothing.
posted on 7/2/21
comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
posted 2 hours, 25 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 1 hour, 45 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 11 minutes ago
Salah dive, Oliver must have known that.
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Of course it was a dive but it was still a foul. You think Salah should continue on having been pulled back in the box? Referees don't give it if they don't go down. We all know this by now in the modern game.
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Condoning diving again, TOOR?
Only if it's a liverpool player, like
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I suppose I am. I've said it a thousand times before but diving will always happen as long as referees are reluctant to give penalties for fouls when the player hasn't gone down. If they give them for fouls when the player hasn't gone down then Salah can stay on his feet and if he doesn't get the advantage, ie. scores then a penalty is given.
Not a fan of diving of course, not sure anybody is but I'd rather Liverpool players dive when fouled than risk losing the opportunity to score because they were fouled and therefore being put at an unfair disadvantage.
I hold the same opinion on all players for all clubs so I'm not sure why you're trying the only Liverpool players angle.
posted on 7/2/21
comment by BO$$™ (U6401)
posted 2 minutes ago
Does Dias have a reputation for committing multiple infringements like this repeatedly every season? David Luiz didn't get and given his reputation for this, shouldn't have been given the benefit of the doubt. He just does it too often.
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I personally don't think it's a Luiz issue, to me it looks like an Arsenal agenda. It just seems acceptable to send off an Arsenal player with ease as the refs know nothing will come of it.
Think of it this way Luiz when at Chelsea wasn't sent off once for them as far as i can remember and was hardly ever booked.
Why is that? he's the same players, does the same fouls ect but it's just easy to give Arsenal players bookings.
Look at the Gabriel sending off against Southampton. his first yellow was for stopping a quick FK. This literally happens every week and no bookings are dished out yet Gabriel was book and then his next foul was another yellow.
Seems to be happening every time. Our players get booked for fouls whereas other players do the same and get nothing.
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There is definitely an agenda. When watching us, often I see us fouled 3 or 4 times in the first 15 mins and no cards given. Then the first hard tackle we make...yellow card. I'd like to see the stats around fouls per card ratio.
posted on 7/2/21
comment by MaineGunner (U10130)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by BO$$™ (U6401)
posted 2 minutes ago
Does Dias have a reputation for committing multiple infringements like this repeatedly every season? David Luiz didn't get and given his reputation for this, shouldn't have been given the benefit of the doubt. He just does it too often.
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I personally don't think it's a Luiz issue, to me it looks like an Arsenal agenda. It just seems acceptable to send off an Arsenal player with ease as the refs know nothing will come of it.
Think of it this way Luiz when at Chelsea wasn't sent off once for them as far as i can remember and was hardly ever booked.
Why is that? he's the same players, does the same fouls ect but it's just easy to give Arsenal players bookings.
Look at the Gabriel sending off against Southampton. his first yellow was for stopping a quick FK. This literally happens every week and no bookings are dished out yet Gabriel was book and then his next foul was another yellow.
Seems to be happening every time. Our players get booked for fouls whereas other players do the same and get nothing.
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There is definitely an agenda. When watching us, often I see us fouled 3 or 4 times in the first 15 mins and no cards given. Then the first hard tackle we make...yellow card. I'd like to see the stats around fouls per card ratio.
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https://untold-arsenal.com/archives/79410
Here we are from last season. Like I thought....we commit the FEWEST number of fouls before we get yellow cards.
posted on 7/2/21
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
posted 2 hours, 25 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 1 hour, 45 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 11 minutes ago
Salah dive, Oliver must have known that.
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Of course it was a dive but it was still a foul. You think Salah should continue on having been pulled back in the box? Referees don't give it if they don't go down. We all know this by now in the modern game.
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Condoning diving again, TOOR?
Only if it's a liverpool player, like
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I suppose I am. I've said it a thousand times before but diving will always happen as long as referees are reluctant to give penalties for fouls when the player hasn't gone down. If they give them for fouls when the player hasn't gone down then Salah can stay on his feet and if he doesn't get the advantage, ie. scores then a penalty is given.
Not a fan of diving of course, not sure anybody is but I'd rather Liverpool players dive when fouled than risk losing the opportunity to score because they were fouled and therefore being put at an unfair disadvantage.
I hold the same opinion on all players for all clubs so I'm not sure why you're trying the only Liverpool players angle.
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I'm fairly sure you had a go at Cavani for diving when he was fouled by Fabinho for United's winner in the FA Cup. It was probably a bit of sour grapes, but I don't recall you congratulating him for cleverly making sure he got a free kick when there was contact just in case the ref missed it.
Anyway, I'm not a fan of diving in any circumstances, I'd rather have my players honest.
posted on 8/2/21
Why didn't Fabinho get a card for the penalty, Sterling was through on goal?
posted on 8/2/21
https://untold-arsenal.com/archives/79410
Here we are from last season. Like I thought....we commit the FEWEST number of fouls before we get yellow cards.
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Great find Maine
I think refs have a subconscious bias against Arsenal. They see our players commit a foul and automatically thinks it's a dirty foul and the cards come out.
If you look back at all the Arsenal reds cars under Arteta how many of them would seriously be given against other teams ? I don't think United or Pool would get more that 2 reds cards out of the 8 or so we have had.
posted on 8/2/21
comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
posted 2 hours, 25 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 1 hour, 45 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 11 minutes ago
Salah dive, Oliver must have known that.
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Of course it was a dive but it was still a foul. You think Salah should continue on having been pulled back in the box? Referees don't give it if they don't go down. We all know this by now in the modern game.
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Condoning diving again, TOOR?
Only if it's a liverpool player, like
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I suppose I am. I've said it a thousand times before but diving will always happen as long as referees are reluctant to give penalties for fouls when the player hasn't gone down. If they give them for fouls when the player hasn't gone down then Salah can stay on his feet and if he doesn't get the advantage, ie. scores then a penalty is given.
Not a fan of diving of course, not sure anybody is but I'd rather Liverpool players dive when fouled than risk losing the opportunity to score because they were fouled and therefore being put at an unfair disadvantage.
I hold the same opinion on all players for all clubs so I'm not sure why you're trying the only Liverpool players angle.
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I'm fairly sure you had a go at Cavani for diving when he was fouled by Fabinho for United's winner in the FA Cup. It was probably a bit of sour grapes, but I don't recall you congratulating him for cleverly making sure he got a free kick when there was contact just in case the ref missed it.
Anyway, I'm not a fan of diving in any circumstances, I'd rather have my players honest.
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That's because he was on his way down before the foul. Like the Mané dive in the first half today. Also my exact words were Cavani was clever with the dive.
posted on 8/2/21
Its all because the refs and VAR are a bunch of corrupt kunts.
I would love for a manager to come out and say the same thing.
As for Aston Villa , Arsenal shouldn't even be playing them as they should have gone down instead of Bournemouth last season. Corruption denies Sheff Utd a perfectly good goal against them
posted on 8/2/21
comment by Flip Flop Flip Flop (U22503)
posted 21 minutes ago
Its all because the refs and VAR are a bunch of corrupt kunts.
I would love for a manager to come out and say the same thing.
As for Aston Villa , Arsenal shouldn't even be playing them as they should have gone down instead of Bournemouth last season. Corruption denies Sheff Utd a perfectly good goal against them
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Yeah but if we'd have gone down we couldn't have taken 6 points off you easily this season which we really enjoyed!🤣😉
posted on 8/2/21
We kept Villa up in order to relegate Watford.
posted on 8/2/21
comment by Bumble (U6465)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Flip Flop Flip Flop (U22503)
posted 21 minutes ago
Its all because the refs and VAR are a bunch of corrupt kunts.
I would love for a manager to come out and say the same thing.
As for Aston Villa , Arsenal shouldn't even be playing them as they should have gone down instead of Bournemouth last season. Corruption denies Sheff Utd a perfectly good goal against them
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Yeah but if we'd have gone down we couldn't have taken 6 points off you easily this season which we really enjoyed!🤣😉
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Well thats another record Arteta has made.The first Arsenal manager in over a century to lose his first 3 games to Villa
posted on 8/2/21
comment by MaineGunner (U10130)
posted 9 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by BO$$™ (U6401)
posted 2 minutes ago
Does Dias have a reputation for committing multiple infringements like this repeatedly every season? David Luiz didn't get and given his reputation for this, shouldn't have been given the benefit of the doubt. He just does it too often.
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I personally don't think it's a Luiz issue, to me it looks like an Arsenal agenda. It just seems acceptable to send off an Arsenal player with ease as the refs know nothing will come of it.
Think of it this way Luiz when at Chelsea wasn't sent off once for them as far as i can remember and was hardly ever booked.
Why is that? he's the same players, does the same fouls ect but it's just easy to give Arsenal players bookings.
Look at the Gabriel sending off against Southampton. his first yellow was for stopping a quick FK. This literally happens every week and no bookings are dished out yet Gabriel was book and then his next foul was another yellow.
Seems to be happening every time. Our players get booked for fouls whereas other players do the same and get nothing.
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There is definitely an agenda. When watching us, often I see us fouled 3 or 4 times in the first 15 mins and no cards given. Then the first hard tackle we make...yellow card. I'd like to see the stats around fouls per card ratio.
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Saw this stat
‘Arsenal are now top of the league in terms of red cards and 8th in yellows.
They are 20th in terms of fouls per game.
By comparison Tottenham are 4th in fouls per game and 17th in cards awarded.’
Could show refs are quick to book our players. Suppose you’d have to look at the severity of our challenges to be sure. Think we got that reputation under Wenger of being a soft team, and to beat us teams had to kick us off the park. Fouling then Always seemed acceptable against us, and when we complained it was made out, particularly in the media, that we were soft and couldn’t handle the physical side of the game. Maybe that’s still hanging around and refs think we make most of our challenges
Think perception of teams/players reputation definitely has an impact on decisions. Doubt there’s any grand conspiracy, it’s just an unconscious bias that has an influence. It’s not just us, you see other teams and players not get decisions based on reputation and perception
posted on 8/2/21
Some really missing the point.
posted on 8/2/21
David Luiz is a fvckin donkey, has always been a donkey and always will be a Donkey.
Just remember his performance against Germany on his own turf. Fvckin Donkey
posted on 8/2/21
comment by A Catalyst For Change (U7080)
posted 2 hours, 18 minutes ago
comment by MaineGunner (U10130)
posted 9 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by BO$$™ (U6401)
posted 2 minutes ago
Does Dias have a reputation for committing multiple infringements like this repeatedly every season? David Luiz didn't get and given his reputation for this, shouldn't have been given the benefit of the doubt. He just does it too often.
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I personally don't think it's a Luiz issue, to me it looks like an Arsenal agenda. It just seems acceptable to send off an Arsenal player with ease as the refs know nothing will come of it.
Think of it this way Luiz when at Chelsea wasn't sent off once for them as far as i can remember and was hardly ever booked.
Why is that? he's the same players, does the same fouls ect but it's just easy to give Arsenal players bookings.
Look at the Gabriel sending off against Southampton. his first yellow was for stopping a quick FK. This literally happens every week and no bookings are dished out yet Gabriel was book and then his next foul was another yellow.
Seems to be happening every time. Our players get booked for fouls whereas other players do the same and get nothing.
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There is definitely an agenda. When watching us, often I see us fouled 3 or 4 times in the first 15 mins and no cards given. Then the first hard tackle we make...yellow card. I'd like to see the stats around fouls per card ratio.
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Saw this stat
‘Arsenal are now top of the league in terms of red cards and 8th in yellows.
They are 20th in terms of fouls per game.
By comparison Tottenham are 4th in fouls per game and 17th in cards awarded.’
Could show refs are quick to book our players. Suppose you’d have to look at the severity of our challenges to be sure. Think we got that reputation under Wenger of being a soft team, and to beat us teams had to kick us off the park. Fouling then Always seemed acceptable against us, and when we complained it was made out, particularly in the media, that we were soft and couldn’t handle the physical side of the game. Maybe that’s still hanging around and refs think we make most of our challenges
Think perception of teams/players reputation definitely has an impact on decisions. Doubt there’s any grand conspiracy, it’s just an unconscious bias that has an influence. It’s not just us, you see other teams and players not get decisions based on reputation and perception
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I totally get that it is not a conspiracy but it is a massive widespread bias that is affecting us. I often watch players against us commit foul after foul and not get booked. And if they do, they are free to commit a further 3 or 4 more and there is no second yellow. However...look at us. Gabriel is the most recent example of getting a yellow for a soft reason (stopping a free kick) which by the way happens in most games with no consequences. And then a few minutes later, gets a second yellow for his first tackle after the first yellow. Then us vs Villa...you had Saka subjected to a yellow card worthy foul by a player on a yellow and nothing. You had wan bissaka and Maguire commit multiple yellow card worthy fouls and yet nothing.
So flipping annoying. We are a poor team at the moment and biased refereeing decisions make a massive difference. VAR never works for us. I was shocked when ESR had his red card changed to a yellow...and that was after the ref immediately without any hesitation produced a red. Refs look eager to send our players off but I can't remember the last time we played against 10 men
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