Liverpool have certainly been unfortunate losing their best CB pairing to long term injury. However, they just need to get on with it, every team gets injuries. There was a time where we had an injury crisis every season whilst still competing for trophies.
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ah, here we go, every team gets injuries, but liverpool's mean more.
as for this earlier claim - The difference in the media has been unbelievable - ie that the media has been less forgiving of pool's injuries this season than of city's last, what utter cobblers.
i honestly cannot remember a club's injury woes being brought up with such relentless regularity, it is mentioned by "the media" every single match (or, at least, every match pool drop points in). we can all remember national mourning over neymar's back, or rooney's metatarsal, but i've never known a club's injury situation to get such billing for an entire f@cking season.
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Liverpool's don't "mean more" but in terms of long term injuries in one position, you'll do well to find the 3 first choice players for one position to have season ending injuries in the first two months of the season followed by the two next choice CB's having injuries at the same time meaning that you're down to 5th, 6th and 7th choices.
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Personally I'm not surprised that Fabinho and Henderson have both also picked up injuries.Due to the lack of replacements they have been basically forced to play every minute of every game in a condensed season.Add to that Fabinho has had injury worries in the past then it was a strong possibility that this would happen.
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ah, here we go, every team gets injuries, but liverpool's mean more.
as for this earlier claim - The difference in the media has been unbelievable - ie that the media has been less forgiving of pool's injuries this season than of city's last, what utter cobblers.
i honestly cannot remember a club's injury woes being brought up with such relentless regularity, it is mentioned by "the media" every single match (or, at least, every match pool drop points in). we can all remember national mourning over neymar's back, or rooney's metatarsal, but i've never known a club's injury situation to get such billing for an entire f@cking season.
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Liverpool's don't "mean more" but in terms of long term injuries in one position, you'll do well to find the 3 first choice players for one position to have season ending injuries in the first two months of the season followed by the two next choice CB's having injuries at the same time meaning that you're down to 5th, 6th and 7th choices.
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But you're the best club in the multiverse
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Not at the moment. Last season obviously we were. Things change. Remember when United used to be a team that could get past semi finals and won leagues?
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Haha.
I do.
But we had SAF and also our best players got old......
We have a completely new team bar de gea.
Your players are still in their prime. Granted Salah is still carrying you lot but the rest are a mess.
Your players are still in their prime. Granted Salah is still carrying you lot but the rest are a mess.
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That's probably why Salah keeps falling over, has a sore back from all the carrying he's doing
They can use every excuse under the sun, some of them are valid, some are over the top, but there's absolutely no excuse for how far they have fallen this season. Personally I think they have peaked under Klopp and for those Liverpool fans hoping a couple of injuries will return them to 'normal' they are in for a rude awakening.
i keep hearing the "thiago hasn't played with fabinho line", but if klopp went into the season with fabinho as 4th choice CB, presumably that was based on the idea that thiago could then play instead of fabinho in midfield if the latter had to play CB? so this was envisaged before the season even kicked off?
i still say that going into the most physically demanding season ever with just 3 senior CBs, and trusting that a) VVD maintains his injury-free record and b) gomez and matip time their injuries so that one of them is always available, was a strategy so risky as to be negligent. and for good measure hoever - who seems trusted by wolves at least - was flogged, leaving the less trusted youth CBs at pool.
also doesn't help that they don't really have the flexibility to go 3 at the back, other clubs have FBs who are quite happy in a back 3 (walker, azpilacueta, shaw), and you can then start asking your wingers to play as wing backs (dan james, CHO etc). but at pool you don't seem to have that option, partly because the FBs would make poor CBs (certainly in TAA's case), and partly because they are so key to pool's attacks from wide that you don't want them stuck at CB.
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They can use every excuse under the sun, some of them are valid, some are over the top, but there's absolutely no excuse for how far they have fallen this season. Personally I think they have peaked under Klopp and for those Liverpool fans hoping a couple of injuries will return them to 'normal' they are in for a rude awakening.
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You may actually be correct. We saw it at Dortmund, we see it under lots of managers. Keeping things fresh in the day to day, training, formations, ideas is incredibly tough. It may be the end of a cycle. He'll be given next season to try and fix it though, as he should.
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Is it all going at bit Dortmundy, GT?
Don't answer that ffs
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Perhaps Liverpool should delve into their academy like many other clubs do. If they aren't good enough then that is their own fault. Deal with it and stop whining
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This is what you have to do of your squad is not big enough or constructed properly. We had to do this because of LVG in his first season.
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ah, here we go, every team gets injuries, but liverpool's mean more.
as for this earlier claim - The difference in the media has been unbelievable - ie that the media has been less forgiving of pool's injuries this season than of city's last, what utter cobblers.
i honestly cannot remember a club's injury woes being brought up with such relentless regularity, it is mentioned by "the media" every single match (or, at least, every match pool drop points in). we can all remember national mourning over neymar's back, or rooney's metatarsal, but i've never known a club's injury situation to get such billing for an entire f@cking season.
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Liverpool's don't "mean more" but in terms of long term injuries in one position, you'll do well to find the 3 first choice players for one position to have season ending injuries in the first two months of the season followed by the two next choice CB's having injuries at the same time meaning that you're down to 5th, 6th and 7th choices.
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Not at the moment. Last season obviously we were. Things change. Remember when United used to be a team that could get past semi finals and won leagues?
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Haha.
I do.
But we had SAF and also our best players got old......
We have a completely new team bar de gea.
Your players are still in their prime. Granted Salah is still carrying you lot but the rest are a mess.
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This is amazing. So what you're saying is, that Sir Alex Ferguson is responsible for the last 8 years because he left your squad full of old players and you've had to rebuild? If only you could spend some money to bring in some new players... that would help wouldn't it?
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Well we had an aging squad that just won the league....
I'm not sure what your point is. Your team is in their prime.
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ah, here we go, every team gets injuries, but liverpool's mean more.
as for this earlier claim - The difference in the media has been unbelievable - ie that the media has been less forgiving of pool's injuries this season than of city's last, what utter cobblers.
i honestly cannot remember a club's injury woes being brought up with such relentless regularity, it is mentioned by "the media" every single match (or, at least, every match pool drop points in). we can all remember national mourning over neymar's back, or rooney's metatarsal, but i've never known a club's injury situation to get such billing for an entire f@cking season.
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Liverpool's don't "mean more" but in terms of long term injuries in one position, you'll do well to find the 3 first choice players for one position to have season ending injuries in the first two months of the season followed by the two next choice CB's having injuries at the same time meaning that you're down to 5th, 6th and 7th choices.
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But you're the best club in the multiverse
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Not at the moment. Last season obviously we were. Things change. Remember when United used to be a team that could get past semi finals and won leagues?
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Haha.
I do.
But we had SAF and also our best players got old......
We have a completely new team bar de gea.
Your players are still in their prime. Granted Salah is still carrying you lot but the rest are a mess.
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This is amazing. So what you're saying is, that Sir Alex Ferguson is responsible for the last 8 years because he left your squad full of old players and you've had to rebuild? If only you could spend some money to bring in some new players... that would help wouldn't it?
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Well we had an aging squad that just won the league....
I'm not sure what your point is. Your team is in their prime.
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My point was ever only that things change, as you know due to your team not winning things any more.
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Do you know what is funny though.
Your drop off so far is akin to Moyes taking over and buying Fellaini
Or if 5 players that would play in a position ahead of the academy players are all injured at the same time.
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Midfielders maybe shouldn’t be ahead of academy players in the CB position. We had to put McNIr in because LVG left us with a small squad.
SAF used to overcome this because he always had utility players in his squads. Even the. Circumstances would force him into Carrick playing CB. It happens..
Liverpool should still have enough to overcome most teams they play but it isn’t happening for you.
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Last year, City losing Laporte was a justifiable reason for not winning the title. Pretty much everyone acknowledged it.
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I don't recall anyone saying this, unless you are talking about City fans. Liverpool HAVE been unlucky with injuries to their defenders, but it is true that other than VVD their CBs have a history of being injury prone which could have been addressed.
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No. It was considered the primary factor in their huge dip in form and fall behind eventual winners Liverpool
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ah, here we go, every team gets injuries, but liverpool's mean more.
as for this earlier claim - The difference in the media has been unbelievable - ie that the media has been less forgiving of pool's injuries this season than of city's last, what utter cobblers.
i honestly cannot remember a club's injury woes being brought up with such relentless regularity, it is mentioned by "the media" every single match (or, at least, every match pool drop points in). we can all remember national mourning over neymar's back, or rooney's metatarsal, but i've never known a club's injury situation to get such billing for an entire f@cking season.
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Liverpool's don't "mean more" but in terms of long term injuries in one position, you'll do well to find the 3 first choice players for one position to have season ending injuries in the first two months of the season followed by the two next choice CB's having injuries at the same time meaning that you're down to 5th, 6th and 7th choices.
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Not at the moment. Last season obviously we were. Things change. Remember when United used to be a team that could get past semi finals and won leagues?
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Haha.
I do.
But we had SAF and also our best players got old......
We have a completely new team bar de gea.
Your players are still in their prime. Granted Salah is still carrying you lot but the rest are a mess.
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This is amazing. So what you're saying is, that Sir Alex Ferguson is responsible for the last 8 years because he left your squad full of old players and you've had to rebuild? If only you could spend some money to bring in some new players... that would help wouldn't it?
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Well we had an aging squad that just won the league....
I'm not sure what your point is. Your team is in their prime.
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My point was ever only that things change, as you know due to your team not winning things any more.
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Do you know what is funny though.
Your drop off so far is akin to Moyes taking over and buying Fellaini
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Not really
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ah, here we go, every team gets injuries, but liverpool's mean more.
as for this earlier claim - The difference in the media has been unbelievable - ie that the media has been less forgiving of pool's injuries this season than of city's last, what utter cobblers.
i honestly cannot remember a club's injury woes being brought up with such relentless regularity, it is mentioned by "the media" every single match (or, at least, every match pool drop points in). we can all remember national mourning over neymar's back, or rooney's metatarsal, but i've never known a club's injury situation to get such billing for an entire f@cking season.
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Liverpool's don't "mean more" but in terms of long term injuries in one position, you'll do well to find the 3 first choice players for one position to have season ending injuries in the first two months of the season followed by the two next choice CB's having injuries at the same time meaning that you're down to 5th, 6th and 7th choices.
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But you're the best club in the multiverse
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Not at the moment. Last season obviously we were. Things change. Remember when United used to be a team that could get past semi finals and won leagues?
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Haha.
I do.
But we had SAF and also our best players got old......
We have a completely new team bar de gea.
Your players are still in their prime. Granted Salah is still carrying you lot but the rest are a mess.
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This is amazing. So what you're saying is, that Sir Alex Ferguson is responsible for the last 8 years because he left your squad full of old players and you've had to rebuild? If only you could spend some money to bring in some new players... that would help wouldn't it?
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Well we had an aging squad that just won the league....
I'm not sure what your point is. Your team is in their prime.
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My point was ever only that things change, as you know due to your team not winning things any more.
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Do you know what is funny though.
Your drop off so far is akin to Moyes taking over and buying Fellaini
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Not really
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I know, it's even worse.
You still have your best ever PL manager with a team in their prime
Seems people are more interested in tribal rivalries and petty point scoring than actually discussing the OP.
My 2 pennies, for what it's worth are that Liverpool have been unfortunate in the types of injuries they've had and to which players they've happened to. It's one thing losing Van Dijk for a couple of months, the entire season is a whole different issue and I don't feel that 'should' be planned for. You can't just have excess resource sitting around, no business will allow that and I don't feel its purely a lack of foresight that is why they find themselves in this position.
That being said, it isn't the sole reason. If you look at their form going to back to last season when they lost to Watford, it hasn't been great, certainly no where near the levels they were at for 18 months before that. So as much as I feel some people are dismissing the injuries too quickly, there are others that are putting too much stock into them.
The results against the likes of Burnley just aren't acceptable for a club with the ambitions that Liverpool have. They still field a team with 7, 8, 9 champions league and league title winners in and whilst they have a clear style of play, the seemingly complete inability to react to the situation is a question mark over Klopp.
If it was simply injuries then adapting your style of play and bringing in a couple of academy defenders likely won't have led to worse results than they've been having. I don't see why they can't play Fabinho and a youth CB and let Henderson remain in midfield. It might mean they need to switch how they play for a bit, potentially even shifting to a style and formation that is designed to protect the cbs more than they would usually do but their team would still be good enough to be getting better results than now.
As with most things, the 'answer' is likely more nuanced than people will give credit for. There isn't one single reason why they find themselves in the position they're in, it's a culmination of multiple things, some bad form, tiredness after 2 years of an intense system, injuries, they are probably a bit jaded, Klopp doesn't seem to have a solution really and whilst I have sympathy to a degree due to the reasons stated above, I do feel he could be getting more from what he has than he is doing.
Everyone thought it was hilarious how bad we were last season, particularly leading up to new year but we also had multiple injuries which did impact our results. We were starting games with Pereira, Lingard, Brandon Williams etc and Solskjaer wasn't afforded any sympathy for that being a big part of why we struggled with creativity etc.
So whilst it has certainly impacted Liverpool this season, it isn't the sole cause of their issues. Van Dijk was playing when Villa pumped them 7-2, there are other things at play and as annoying as it is seeing fans write off the injuries, it's a bit annoying seeing some Liverpool fans blindly blaming this and only this. When you hear people discuss Klopp's system and Henderson not playing in midfield having the impact it has etc, it does seem like the 'system' is being over hyped and made to appear far more complicated than it is, as a way of absolving Klopp and the players of any and all responsibility. West Ham have an inferior squad and manager yet have still been able to perform at a certain level and even with their problems, this Liverpool team has more capability than they've been showing.
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Liverpool have certainly been unfortunate losing their best CB pairing to long term injury. However, they just need to get on with it, every team gets injuries. There was a time where we had an injury crisis every season whilst still competing for trophies.
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ah, here we go, every team gets injuries, but liverpool's mean more.
as for this earlier claim - The difference in the media has been unbelievable - ie that the media has been less forgiving of pool's injuries this season than of city's last, what utter cobblers.
i honestly cannot remember a club's injury woes being brought up with such relentless regularity, it is mentioned by "the media" every single match (or, at least, every match pool drop points in). we can all remember national mourning over neymar's back, or rooney's metatarsal, but i've never known a club's injury situation to get such billing for an entire f@cking season.
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Liverpool's don't "mean more" but in terms of long term injuries in one position, you'll do well to find the 3 first choice players for one position to have season ending injuries in the first two months of the season followed by the two next choice CB's having injuries at the same time meaning that you're down to 5th, 6th and 7th choices.
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Personally I'm not surprised that Fabinho and Henderson have both also picked up injuries.Due to the lack of replacements they have been basically forced to play every minute of every game in a condensed season.Add to that Fabinho has had injury worries in the past then it was a strong possibility that this would happen.
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ah, here we go, every team gets injuries, but liverpool's mean more.
as for this earlier claim - The difference in the media has been unbelievable - ie that the media has been less forgiving of pool's injuries this season than of city's last, what utter cobblers.
i honestly cannot remember a club's injury woes being brought up with such relentless regularity, it is mentioned by "the media" every single match (or, at least, every match pool drop points in). we can all remember national mourning over neymar's back, or rooney's metatarsal, but i've never known a club's injury situation to get such billing for an entire f@cking season.
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Liverpool's don't "mean more" but in terms of long term injuries in one position, you'll do well to find the 3 first choice players for one position to have season ending injuries in the first two months of the season followed by the two next choice CB's having injuries at the same time meaning that you're down to 5th, 6th and 7th choices.
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But you're the best club in the multiverse
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Not at the moment. Last season obviously we were. Things change. Remember when United used to be a team that could get past semi finals and won leagues?
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Haha.
I do.
But we had SAF and also our best players got old......
We have a completely new team bar de gea.
Your players are still in their prime. Granted Salah is still carrying you lot but the rest are a mess.
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Your players are still in their prime. Granted Salah is still carrying you lot but the rest are a mess.
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That's probably why Salah keeps falling over, has a sore back from all the carrying he's doing
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They can use every excuse under the sun, some of them are valid, some are over the top, but there's absolutely no excuse for how far they have fallen this season. Personally I think they have peaked under Klopp and for those Liverpool fans hoping a couple of injuries will return them to 'normal' they are in for a rude awakening.
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i keep hearing the "thiago hasn't played with fabinho line", but if klopp went into the season with fabinho as 4th choice CB, presumably that was based on the idea that thiago could then play instead of fabinho in midfield if the latter had to play CB? so this was envisaged before the season even kicked off?
i still say that going into the most physically demanding season ever with just 3 senior CBs, and trusting that a) VVD maintains his injury-free record and b) gomez and matip time their injuries so that one of them is always available, was a strategy so risky as to be negligent. and for good measure hoever - who seems trusted by wolves at least - was flogged, leaving the less trusted youth CBs at pool.
also doesn't help that they don't really have the flexibility to go 3 at the back, other clubs have FBs who are quite happy in a back 3 (walker, azpilacueta, shaw), and you can then start asking your wingers to play as wing backs (dan james, CHO etc). but at pool you don't seem to have that option, partly because the FBs would make poor CBs (certainly in TAA's case), and partly because they are so key to pool's attacks from wide that you don't want them stuck at CB.
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They can use every excuse under the sun, some of them are valid, some are over the top, but there's absolutely no excuse for how far they have fallen this season. Personally I think they have peaked under Klopp and for those Liverpool fans hoping a couple of injuries will return them to 'normal' they are in for a rude awakening.
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You may actually be correct. We saw it at Dortmund, we see it under lots of managers. Keeping things fresh in the day to day, training, formations, ideas is incredibly tough. It may be the end of a cycle. He'll be given next season to try and fix it though, as he should.
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Is it all going at bit Dortmundy, GT?
Don't answer that ffs
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Perhaps Liverpool should delve into their academy like many other clubs do. If they aren't good enough then that is their own fault. Deal with it and stop whining
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This is what you have to do of your squad is not big enough or constructed properly. We had to do this because of LVG in his first season.
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ah, here we go, every team gets injuries, but liverpool's mean more.
as for this earlier claim - The difference in the media has been unbelievable - ie that the media has been less forgiving of pool's injuries this season than of city's last, what utter cobblers.
i honestly cannot remember a club's injury woes being brought up with such relentless regularity, it is mentioned by "the media" every single match (or, at least, every match pool drop points in). we can all remember national mourning over neymar's back, or rooney's metatarsal, but i've never known a club's injury situation to get such billing for an entire f@cking season.
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Liverpool's don't "mean more" but in terms of long term injuries in one position, you'll do well to find the 3 first choice players for one position to have season ending injuries in the first two months of the season followed by the two next choice CB's having injuries at the same time meaning that you're down to 5th, 6th and 7th choices.
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But you're the best club in the multiverse
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Not at the moment. Last season obviously we were. Things change. Remember when United used to be a team that could get past semi finals and won leagues?
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Haha.
I do.
But we had SAF and also our best players got old......
We have a completely new team bar de gea.
Your players are still in their prime. Granted Salah is still carrying you lot but the rest are a mess.
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This is amazing. So what you're saying is, that Sir Alex Ferguson is responsible for the last 8 years because he left your squad full of old players and you've had to rebuild? If only you could spend some money to bring in some new players... that would help wouldn't it?
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Well we had an aging squad that just won the league....
I'm not sure what your point is. Your team is in their prime.
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ah, here we go, every team gets injuries, but liverpool's mean more.
as for this earlier claim - The difference in the media has been unbelievable - ie that the media has been less forgiving of pool's injuries this season than of city's last, what utter cobblers.
i honestly cannot remember a club's injury woes being brought up with such relentless regularity, it is mentioned by "the media" every single match (or, at least, every match pool drop points in). we can all remember national mourning over neymar's back, or rooney's metatarsal, but i've never known a club's injury situation to get such billing for an entire f@cking season.
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Liverpool's don't "mean more" but in terms of long term injuries in one position, you'll do well to find the 3 first choice players for one position to have season ending injuries in the first two months of the season followed by the two next choice CB's having injuries at the same time meaning that you're down to 5th, 6th and 7th choices.
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But you're the best club in the multiverse
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Not at the moment. Last season obviously we were. Things change. Remember when United used to be a team that could get past semi finals and won leagues?
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Haha.
I do.
But we had SAF and also our best players got old......
We have a completely new team bar de gea.
Your players are still in their prime. Granted Salah is still carrying you lot but the rest are a mess.
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This is amazing. So what you're saying is, that Sir Alex Ferguson is responsible for the last 8 years because he left your squad full of old players and you've had to rebuild? If only you could spend some money to bring in some new players... that would help wouldn't it?
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Well we had an aging squad that just won the league....
I'm not sure what your point is. Your team is in their prime.
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My point was ever only that things change, as you know due to your team not winning things any more.
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Do you know what is funny though.
Your drop off so far is akin to Moyes taking over and buying Fellaini
posted on 22/2/21
Or if 5 players that would play in a position ahead of the academy players are all injured at the same time.
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Midfielders maybe shouldn’t be ahead of academy players in the CB position. We had to put McNIr in because LVG left us with a small squad.
SAF used to overcome this because he always had utility players in his squads. Even the. Circumstances would force him into Carrick playing CB. It happens..
Liverpool should still have enough to overcome most teams they play but it isn’t happening for you.
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Last year, City losing Laporte was a justifiable reason for not winning the title. Pretty much everyone acknowledged it.
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I don't recall anyone saying this, unless you are talking about City fans. Liverpool HAVE been unlucky with injuries to their defenders, but it is true that other than VVD their CBs have a history of being injury prone which could have been addressed.
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No. It was considered the primary factor in their huge dip in form and fall behind eventual winners Liverpool
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ah, here we go, every team gets injuries, but liverpool's mean more.
as for this earlier claim - The difference in the media has been unbelievable - ie that the media has been less forgiving of pool's injuries this season than of city's last, what utter cobblers.
i honestly cannot remember a club's injury woes being brought up with such relentless regularity, it is mentioned by "the media" every single match (or, at least, every match pool drop points in). we can all remember national mourning over neymar's back, or rooney's metatarsal, but i've never known a club's injury situation to get such billing for an entire f@cking season.
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Liverpool's don't "mean more" but in terms of long term injuries in one position, you'll do well to find the 3 first choice players for one position to have season ending injuries in the first two months of the season followed by the two next choice CB's having injuries at the same time meaning that you're down to 5th, 6th and 7th choices.
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But you're the best club in the multiverse
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Not at the moment. Last season obviously we were. Things change. Remember when United used to be a team that could get past semi finals and won leagues?
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Haha.
I do.
But we had SAF and also our best players got old......
We have a completely new team bar de gea.
Your players are still in their prime. Granted Salah is still carrying you lot but the rest are a mess.
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This is amazing. So what you're saying is, that Sir Alex Ferguson is responsible for the last 8 years because he left your squad full of old players and you've had to rebuild? If only you could spend some money to bring in some new players... that would help wouldn't it?
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Well we had an aging squad that just won the league....
I'm not sure what your point is. Your team is in their prime.
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My point was ever only that things change, as you know due to your team not winning things any more.
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Do you know what is funny though.
Your drop off so far is akin to Moyes taking over and buying Fellaini
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Not really
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ah, here we go, every team gets injuries, but liverpool's mean more.
as for this earlier claim - The difference in the media has been unbelievable - ie that the media has been less forgiving of pool's injuries this season than of city's last, what utter cobblers.
i honestly cannot remember a club's injury woes being brought up with such relentless regularity, it is mentioned by "the media" every single match (or, at least, every match pool drop points in). we can all remember national mourning over neymar's back, or rooney's metatarsal, but i've never known a club's injury situation to get such billing for an entire f@cking season.
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Liverpool's don't "mean more" but in terms of long term injuries in one position, you'll do well to find the 3 first choice players for one position to have season ending injuries in the first two months of the season followed by the two next choice CB's having injuries at the same time meaning that you're down to 5th, 6th and 7th choices.
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But you're the best club in the multiverse
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Not at the moment. Last season obviously we were. Things change. Remember when United used to be a team that could get past semi finals and won leagues?
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Haha.
I do.
But we had SAF and also our best players got old......
We have a completely new team bar de gea.
Your players are still in their prime. Granted Salah is still carrying you lot but the rest are a mess.
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This is amazing. So what you're saying is, that Sir Alex Ferguson is responsible for the last 8 years because he left your squad full of old players and you've had to rebuild? If only you could spend some money to bring in some new players... that would help wouldn't it?
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Well we had an aging squad that just won the league....
I'm not sure what your point is. Your team is in their prime.
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My point was ever only that things change, as you know due to your team not winning things any more.
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Do you know what is funny though.
Your drop off so far is akin to Moyes taking over and buying Fellaini
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Not really
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I know, it's even worse.
You still have your best ever PL manager with a team in their prime
posted on 22/2/21
Seems people are more interested in tribal rivalries and petty point scoring than actually discussing the OP.
My 2 pennies, for what it's worth are that Liverpool have been unfortunate in the types of injuries they've had and to which players they've happened to. It's one thing losing Van Dijk for a couple of months, the entire season is a whole different issue and I don't feel that 'should' be planned for. You can't just have excess resource sitting around, no business will allow that and I don't feel its purely a lack of foresight that is why they find themselves in this position.
That being said, it isn't the sole reason. If you look at their form going to back to last season when they lost to Watford, it hasn't been great, certainly no where near the levels they were at for 18 months before that. So as much as I feel some people are dismissing the injuries too quickly, there are others that are putting too much stock into them.
The results against the likes of Burnley just aren't acceptable for a club with the ambitions that Liverpool have. They still field a team with 7, 8, 9 champions league and league title winners in and whilst they have a clear style of play, the seemingly complete inability to react to the situation is a question mark over Klopp.
If it was simply injuries then adapting your style of play and bringing in a couple of academy defenders likely won't have led to worse results than they've been having. I don't see why they can't play Fabinho and a youth CB and let Henderson remain in midfield. It might mean they need to switch how they play for a bit, potentially even shifting to a style and formation that is designed to protect the cbs more than they would usually do but their team would still be good enough to be getting better results than now.
As with most things, the 'answer' is likely more nuanced than people will give credit for. There isn't one single reason why they find themselves in the position they're in, it's a culmination of multiple things, some bad form, tiredness after 2 years of an intense system, injuries, they are probably a bit jaded, Klopp doesn't seem to have a solution really and whilst I have sympathy to a degree due to the reasons stated above, I do feel he could be getting more from what he has than he is doing.
Everyone thought it was hilarious how bad we were last season, particularly leading up to new year but we also had multiple injuries which did impact our results. We were starting games with Pereira, Lingard, Brandon Williams etc and Solskjaer wasn't afforded any sympathy for that being a big part of why we struggled with creativity etc.
So whilst it has certainly impacted Liverpool this season, it isn't the sole cause of their issues. Van Dijk was playing when Villa pumped them 7-2, there are other things at play and as annoying as it is seeing fans write off the injuries, it's a bit annoying seeing some Liverpool fans blindly blaming this and only this. When you hear people discuss Klopp's system and Henderson not playing in midfield having the impact it has etc, it does seem like the 'system' is being over hyped and made to appear far more complicated than it is, as a way of absolving Klopp and the players of any and all responsibility. West Ham have an inferior squad and manager yet have still been able to perform at a certain level and even with their problems, this Liverpool team has more capability than they've been showing.
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