I think the big positive about Southgate is changing the mentality of the playing squad. Look at how negative it all was under Capello and Hodgson. The football may not be the most positive, but the off[itch relationships seem to be much better, and that isn't the easiest thing to achieve.
The problem is that he's pretty subpar tactically, but as a man-manager I'd imagine he's pretty great to work under.
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I think the big positive about Southgate is changing the mentality of the playing squad. Look at how negative it all was under Capello and Hodgson. The football may not be the most positive, but the off[itch relationships seem to be much better, and that isn't the easiest thing to achieve.
The problem is that he's pretty subpar tactically, but as a man-manager I'd imagine he's pretty great to work under.
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To be fair, a manager taking England to a penalty shootout success is an achievement. I agree he has got lucky in some ways in that the situation has suited his pro-youth policy while also lowering expectations
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A manager has little influence over a shootout usually. It just so happens that he was the manager at the time when we eventually won one.
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I am not sure this is completely true, they can't manage shootouts like one manages a game, but I don't think it is a coincidence England are historically poor at shootouts
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Cause we aren't very mentally strong in those situations I guess. Pickford did well though and made a difference.
The truth is it shouldn't have even got to a pen shootout. I seem to remember Southgate's subs were quite negative in that game and there was an acceptance of the slim 1-0 lead.
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I think the big positive about Southgate is changing the mentality of the playing squad. Look at how negative it all was under Capello and Hodgson. The football may not be the most positive, but the off[itch relationships seem to be much better, and that isn't the easiest thing to achieve.
The problem is that he's pretty subpar tactically, but as a man-manager I'd imagine he's pretty great to work under.
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Again I think some of this goes back to good timing, and coming in when the regular GG players were coming to the end of their England careers and a new bunch of talented youngsters were emerging whom Southgate had no choice but picking. How would he have fared coming in during the GG I wonder?
I mean he's a younger manager and maybe this makes him more relatable to the team and creates a good spirit or whatever. Shame the spirit is not so good that we still don't manage to beat the bigger teams that often under him.
But that’s not the way Southgate’s sees it. He kept leaving out Grealish because he sees him as a wide player. In Sterling, Rashford and Sancho he has his three go to guys for the wide areas. Foden is the fourth option, who provides utility in the attacking mid and central midfield positions. What he should do and what I think he will do I different things. Which is why I think he’ll do something stupid like leave Grealish out.
Injuries will of course dictate, and they are highly unpredictable. So it’s very difficult to predict what the final squad will look like. But I’m pretty confident he takes four central midfielders.
I actually hope you are right as I’d rather have an extra attacker in there than another average cm.
I do think Shaw would allow him to fack off one of the cb’s. But he’ll probably get injured before the tournament anyway.
Personally I think if he's planning to go with two holding at the Euros then it's better to play that way from now until then, even if it is against Albania. You want players to get used to a system, not chop and change depending on the opposition. That's how Jose got Spurs into a mess. I actually thought we did okay. They sat in but we did what we could in terms of fast passing and switch of play to open them up. The only criticism was the lack of forward passing at times. It felt very safe. Forward passes were rare so the attacking players stopped running in behind and Kane even dropped on the halfway line to get the ball. We were defo missing a Grealish in yesterday's game. Think we look okay though. Preparation looks good.
My only worry is if Southgate reverts to a back 5 again. I'm just not convinced as the moment we come up against a decent possession based side, we're just going to get overrun in midfield like Croatia did to us in the semis. 5 at the back only works if your wing backs push high. If they're sitting deep dealing with pressure, you can't get out. I much prefer 4 and 2 holding.
I think with how Southgate wants to play, the ideal system is a holding midfielder who can drop back and operate in a back three when off the ball, and can step up into the midfield when we are in possession. Both Rice and Phillips are capable of doing that, so they work for his system.
Not saying it is the best system, mind. Those extra holding players should, theoretically, also allow the FBs to push on, and thats clearly a position he thinks we are stocked in.
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I want him to take just Walker and Trippier just to see the meltdown.
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Everyone will. I do think he’ll leave out TAA. I don’t think that would be as controversial as many would. He’s been the least impressive for England of the four right backs he’s used.
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Trippier already has his suitcase on the plane. Not much doubt he won't be going.
Oh I know. He’ll be starting I reckon. But would be funny to see the reaction of him leaving out James and TAA.
You don't need Rice and Phillips in that team against Albania. Mount would have done well as an 8.
I'd have personally gone 4-1-4-1 really. The 1 holding midfielder would be Rice as I'd say he's better than Phillips personally speaking, the 4 in behind Kane for me would be Sterling, Foden, Grealish and Mount.
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Compared to Grealish and Foden, Mount is mediocre. Which is the comparison I was drawing. I’m not calling him a championship player, but compared to the Cali team of guys who should be starting for England, and the guys starting for the sides who will be a threat to us at the Euros, the likes of Mount and Lingard are mediocre.
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"Compared to Grealish and Foden, Mount is mediocre. Which is the comparison I was drawing."
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Actually, 5th I forgot Gundogan.
Dias, Kane, Fernandes, Gundogan, Mount, Grealish
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Son is there too. I know you discussed Grealish and said Mount had been better but Grealish has 6 goals and 12 assists in 22 PL appearances which is pretty insane, by a lot of metrics he has been one of the best players in the league. KDB and Salah as usual are near top of the goals and assists in PL this season, even if they’re out the dialogue. Even Foden, obviously also a good player having a good season, I wouldn’t put above Mount or say he’s been one of the top 5 PL performers this season.
Mount had been good but if he has been top 5 in PL this season he’d be a shoe in for PFA POTY nominations and there have been players better than him for that thus far. You guys also haven’t discussed Foden.
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Mount has been our best player this season but I’m not sure he makes the top 10-15 players this season.
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"Compared to Grealish and Foden, Mount is mediocre. Which is the comparison I was drawing."
Get a new set of crayons then
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Wow. Groundbreaking. Does the football world know the Ballon D’or is already awarded for the year?
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I think the big positive about Southgate is changing the mentality of the playing squad. Look at how negative it all was under Capello and Hodgson. The football may not be the most positive, but the off[itch relationships seem to be much better, and that isn't the easiest thing to achieve.
The problem is that he's pretty subpar tactically, but as a man-manager I'd imagine he's pretty great to work under.
posted on 29/3/21
comment by Lubo - We're Home! (U14008)
posted 27 seconds ago
I think the big positive about Southgate is changing the mentality of the playing squad. Look at how negative it all was under Capello and Hodgson. The football may not be the most positive, but the off[itch relationships seem to be much better, and that isn't the easiest thing to achieve.
The problem is that he's pretty subpar tactically, but as a man-manager I'd imagine he's pretty great to work under.
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comment by Spurtle (U1608)
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comment by NPEEE (U22521)
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To be fair, a manager taking England to a penalty shootout success is an achievement. I agree he has got lucky in some ways in that the situation has suited his pro-youth policy while also lowering expectations
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A manager has little influence over a shootout usually. It just so happens that he was the manager at the time when we eventually won one.
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I am not sure this is completely true, they can't manage shootouts like one manages a game, but I don't think it is a coincidence England are historically poor at shootouts
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Cause we aren't very mentally strong in those situations I guess. Pickford did well though and made a difference.
The truth is it shouldn't have even got to a pen shootout. I seem to remember Southgate's subs were quite negative in that game and there was an acceptance of the slim 1-0 lead.
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comment by Lubo - We're Home! (U14008)
posted 1 minute ago
I think the big positive about Southgate is changing the mentality of the playing squad. Look at how negative it all was under Capello and Hodgson. The football may not be the most positive, but the off[itch relationships seem to be much better, and that isn't the easiest thing to achieve.
The problem is that he's pretty subpar tactically, but as a man-manager I'd imagine he's pretty great to work under.
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Again I think some of this goes back to good timing, and coming in when the regular GG players were coming to the end of their England careers and a new bunch of talented youngsters were emerging whom Southgate had no choice but picking. How would he have fared coming in during the GG I wonder?
I mean he's a younger manager and maybe this makes him more relatable to the team and creates a good spirit or whatever. Shame the spirit is not so good that we still don't manage to beat the bigger teams that often under him.
posted on 29/3/21
But that’s not the way Southgate’s sees it. He kept leaving out Grealish because he sees him as a wide player. In Sterling, Rashford and Sancho he has his three go to guys for the wide areas. Foden is the fourth option, who provides utility in the attacking mid and central midfield positions. What he should do and what I think he will do I different things. Which is why I think he’ll do something stupid like leave Grealish out.
Injuries will of course dictate, and they are highly unpredictable. So it’s very difficult to predict what the final squad will look like. But I’m pretty confident he takes four central midfielders.
I actually hope you are right as I’d rather have an extra attacker in there than another average cm.
I do think Shaw would allow him to fack off one of the cb’s. But he’ll probably get injured before the tournament anyway.
posted on 29/3/21
Personally I think if he's planning to go with two holding at the Euros then it's better to play that way from now until then, even if it is against Albania. You want players to get used to a system, not chop and change depending on the opposition. That's how Jose got Spurs into a mess. I actually thought we did okay. They sat in but we did what we could in terms of fast passing and switch of play to open them up. The only criticism was the lack of forward passing at times. It felt very safe. Forward passes were rare so the attacking players stopped running in behind and Kane even dropped on the halfway line to get the ball. We were defo missing a Grealish in yesterday's game. Think we look okay though. Preparation looks good.
My only worry is if Southgate reverts to a back 5 again. I'm just not convinced as the moment we come up against a decent possession based side, we're just going to get overrun in midfield like Croatia did to us in the semis. 5 at the back only works if your wing backs push high. If they're sitting deep dealing with pressure, you can't get out. I much prefer 4 and 2 holding.
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I think with how Southgate wants to play, the ideal system is a holding midfielder who can drop back and operate in a back three when off the ball, and can step up into the midfield when we are in possession. Both Rice and Phillips are capable of doing that, so they work for his system.
Not saying it is the best system, mind. Those extra holding players should, theoretically, also allow the FBs to push on, and thats clearly a position he thinks we are stocked in.
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I want him to take just Walker and Trippier just to see the meltdown.
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Everyone will. I do think he’ll leave out TAA. I don’t think that would be as controversial as many would. He’s been the least impressive for England of the four right backs he’s used.
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comment by Shola The Ameobi Shoretire (U10026)
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I want him to take just Walker and Trippier just to see the meltdown.
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Trippier already has his suitcase on the plane. Not much doubt he won't be going.
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Oh I know. He’ll be starting I reckon. But would be funny to see the reaction of him leaving out James and TAA.
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You don't need Rice and Phillips in that team against Albania. Mount would have done well as an 8.
I'd have personally gone 4-1-4-1 really. The 1 holding midfielder would be Rice as I'd say he's better than Phillips personally speaking, the 4 in behind Kane for me would be Sterling, Foden, Grealish and Mount.
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Compared to Grealish and Foden, Mount is mediocre. Which is the comparison I was drawing. I’m not calling him a championship player, but compared to the Cali team of guys who should be starting for England, and the guys starting for the sides who will be a threat to us at the Euros, the likes of Mount and Lingard are mediocre.
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"Compared to Grealish and Foden, Mount is mediocre. Which is the comparison I was drawing."
Get a new set of crayons then
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You’re entitled to your opinion. I’m sure Chelsea fans will share it...
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comment by NPEEE (U22521)
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Actually, 5th I forgot Gundogan.
Dias, Kane, Fernandes, Gundogan, Mount, Grealish
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Son is there too. I know you discussed Grealish and said Mount had been better but Grealish has 6 goals and 12 assists in 22 PL appearances which is pretty insane, by a lot of metrics he has been one of the best players in the league. KDB and Salah as usual are near top of the goals and assists in PL this season, even if they’re out the dialogue. Even Foden, obviously also a good player having a good season, I wouldn’t put above Mount or say he’s been one of the top 5 PL performers this season.
Mount had been good but if he has been top 5 in PL this season he’d be a shoe in for PFA POTY nominations and there have been players better than him for that thus far. You guys also haven’t discussed Foden.
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Mount has been our best player this season but I’m not sure he makes the top 10-15 players this season.
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comment by NPEEE (U22521)
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"Compared to Grealish and Foden, Mount is mediocre. Which is the comparison I was drawing."
Get a new set of crayons then
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You’re entitled to your opinion. I’m sure Chelsea fans will share it...
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As do elite managers like Tuchel
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A manager starts a player at his club...
Wow. Groundbreaking. Does the football world know the Ballon D’or is already awarded for the year?
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