Would you accept 10 years without a trophy from Barcelona, your favourite team ?
As an outsider, based on results, Ole should at least deserve a shot a next season. He has earned that much.
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I don't think there is even a debate about this if we finish second. The question is more whether grievances about him are legitimate. Of course they are - questions can be asked about style, substitutes and signings - but, as I said a while ago on here, there can't be any serious discussions about actually sacking him because there is zero chance of it happening right now. This isn't Moyes or Van Gaal, when we were hovering around fourth or lower.
comment by Rooney-the-GOAT (U4135)
posted 12 seconds ago
Would you accept 10 years without a trophy from Barcelona, your favourite team ?
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No, but he is only 2 years in his permanent role. And Liverpool and City won trophies in their rebuilding project. I am just saying sacking him now makes no sense in the long term scheme.
Reasonable well thought out post, Hulk. Nice antidote to the adolescent hysteria you tend to get on here.
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 34 seconds ago
As an outsider, based on results, Ole should at least deserve a shot a next season. He has earned that much.
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I don't think there is even a debate about this if we finish second. The question is more whether grievances about him are legitimate. Of course they are - questions can be asked about style, substitutes and signings - but, as I said a while ago on here, there can't be any serious discussions about actually sacking him because there is zero chance of it happening right now. This isn't Moyes or Van Gaal, when we were hovering around fourth or lower.
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But there is a debate about it, people want him sacked. Hence my article, you are on a rebuilding project and at the moment Ole is delivering within that project. It takes a lot of time to get everything in place for greatness. Look at Liverpool and City.
comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
posted 1 minute ago
Reasonable well thought out post, Hulk. Nice antidote to the adolescent hysteria you tend to get on here.
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Cheers
And would you accept winning a FA cup and finishing 8th. And then reduced to mid-table mediocrity?
The League is and always will be the bread and butter and is the true reflection of where a team is at.
Trophies are a bonus, and cos UTD have the means, their standard is that they should be winning a trophy more consistently than most teams.
But with the knee-jerk media and pundits of today and glory hunters fixation in now now now, patience is looked down upon.
Understand, just cos a fan demands a trophy right now doesn’t mean their standard is any better than a fan with a wait and see mentality.
How are Arsenal fans and pundits glorifying Arteta, yet ridiculing Ole. It just logically makes no sense, unless you are just a glory hunter who doesn’t have the clubs best interest at heart.
comment by Hulk - Admin 5 (U1250)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Rooney-the-GOAT (U4135)
posted 12 seconds ago
Would you accept 10 years without a trophy from Barcelona, your favourite team ?
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No, but he is only 2 years in his permanent role. And Liverpool and City won trophies in their rebuilding project. I am just saying sacking him now makes no sense in the long term scheme.
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The football we play is horrible. Ole has no style that you clearly identify. His late substitutions are frustrating. His favouritism is going to explode sooner rather later : outspoken players like Lindelof, Rashford, Bruno and Maguire pick themselves even they’re injured, while nice persons like Mata, Romero, Dalot, Bailly and DVB are being treated abominably. Where is the improvement ?
comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
posted 12 minutes ago
Reasonable well thought out post, Hulk. Nice antidote to the adolescent hysteria you tend to get on here.
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Yep; best article of yours I’ve read, Hulk
Sensible article. Good work Hulk.
comment by Rooney-the-GOAT (U4135)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Hulk - Admin 5 (U1250)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Rooney-the-GOAT (U4135)
posted 12 seconds ago
Would you accept 10 years without a trophy from Barcelona, your favourite team ?
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No, but he is only 2 years in his permanent role. And Liverpool and City won trophies in their rebuilding project. I am just saying sacking him now makes no sense in the long term scheme.
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The football we play is horrible. Ole has no style that you clearly identify. His late substitutions are frustrating. His favouritism is going to explode sooner rather later : outspoken players like Lindelof, Rashford, Bruno and Maguire pick themselves even they’re injured, while nice persons like Mata, Romero, Dalot, Bailly and DVB are being treated abominably. Where is the improvement ?
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There is a style, but due to injuries, out of form players and a rebuilding project, it doesnt always come to fruition. He has made you hard to beat, and you are able to turn results around. You lost only like 4 in 45. You need to start somewhere.
His favouritism is going to explode sooner rather later : outspoken players like Lindelof, Rashford, Bruno and Maguire pick themselves even they’re injured, while nice persons like Mata, Romero, Dalot, Bailly and DVB are being treated abominably. Where is the improvement ?
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Where has this come from? apart from your head. How do you know dalot, and Beeky are nice people? I'm not saying they aren't but come on, you don't think Ole doesn't pick who is the best man for the job just because someone else is mouthy.
Thanks lads, only took me 12 years
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 26 minutes ago
As an outsider, based on results, Ole should at least deserve a shot a next season. He has earned that much.
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I don't think there is even a debate about this if we finish second. The question is more whether grievances about him are legitimate. Of course they are - questions can be asked about style, substitutes and signings - but, as I said a while ago on here, there can't be any serious discussions about actually sacking him because there is zero chance of it happening right now. This isn't Moyes or Van Gaal, when we were hovering around fourth or lower.
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If Pep or Klopp said he wanted the United job, would you still want Ole to continue?
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 26 minutes ago
As an outsider, based on results, Ole should at least deserve a shot a next season. He has earned that much.
_____________
I don't think there is even a debate about this if we finish second. The question is more whether grievances about him are legitimate. Of course they are - questions can be asked about style, substitutes and signings - but, as I said a while ago on here, there can't be any serious discussions about actually sacking him because there is zero chance of it happening right now. This isn't Moyes or Van Gaal, when we were hovering around fourth or lower.
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If Pep or Klopp said he wanted the United job, would you still want Ole to continue?
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Thank you for this question.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 14 minutes ago
His favouritism is going to explode sooner rather later : outspoken players like Lindelof, Rashford, Bruno and Maguire pick themselves even they’re injured, while nice persons like Mata, Romero, Dalot, Bailly and DVB are being treated abominably. Where is the improvement ?
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Where has this come from? apart from your head. How do you know dalot, and Beeky are nice people? I'm not saying they aren't but come on, you don't think Ole doesn't pick who is the best man for the job just because someone else is mouthy.
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I suggest that you read yesterday Evening News about the goal keeping situation. How Ole wanted to drop DDG back in November, and when DDG learned hot so angry that Ole had to change his mind. That explains so many things
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 26 minutes ago
As an outsider, based on results, Ole should at least deserve a shot a next season. He has earned that much.
_____________
I don't think there is even a debate about this if we finish second. The question is more whether grievances about him are legitimate. Of course they are - questions can be asked about style, substitutes and signings - but, as I said a while ago on here, there can't be any serious discussions about actually sacking him because there is zero chance of it happening right now. This isn't Moyes or Van Gaal, when we were hovering around fourth or lower.
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If Pep or Klopp said he wanted the United job, would you still want Ole to continue?
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Of course not. Assuming that this was a parallel universe where they hadn't managed Liverpool and city. That's always been my argument, you only sack a manager who's getting the club to a good place if you've lined up a superstar replacement.
comment by Rooney-the-GOAT (U4135)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 14 minutes ago
His favouritism is going to explode sooner rather later : outspoken players like Lindelof, Rashford, Bruno and Maguire pick themselves even they’re injured, while nice persons like Mata, Romero, Dalot, Bailly and DVB are being treated abominably. Where is the improvement ?
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Where has this come from? apart from your head. How do you know dalot, and Beeky are nice people? I'm not saying they aren't but come on, you don't think Ole doesn't pick who is the best man for the job just because someone else is mouthy.
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I suggest that you read yesterday Evening News about the goal keeping situation. How Ole wanted to drop DDG back in November, and when DDG learned hot so angry that Ole had to change his mind. That explains so many things
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Oh well, if it was in the M. E. N it must be true.
I wonder how Ole found the courage to drop him this time? It doesn't explain anything to me.
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 26 minutes ago
As an outsider, based on results, Ole should at least deserve a shot a next season. He has earned that much.
_____________
I don't think there is even a debate about this if we finish second. The question is more whether grievances about him are legitimate. Of course they are - questions can be asked about style, substitutes and signings - but, as I said a while ago on here, there can't be any serious discussions about actually sacking him because there is zero chance of it happening right now. This isn't Moyes or Van Gaal, when we were hovering around fourth or lower.
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If Pep or Klopp said he wanted the United job, would you still want Ole to continue?
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Entirely different discussion. Liverpool and City have changed managers over the years when they thought they had reached their potential. Ole probably hasnt considering there is still progression.
If Pep or Klopp said he wanted the United job, would you still want Ole to continue?
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I can't see either Pep or Klopp winning the PL or CL with this United team within a couple of years, so we'd be hankering for a new manager again.
So on that basis, I'd keep OGS.
Kinda hard to draw comparisons in my view with Liverpool and city.
City were already packed with stars and champions before Pep took them up a level, and that took a season or so. Playing style was in printed on the team within that time frame.
Liverpool had FSG but tbh it wasn't difficult to improve on the previous owners, who massively under invested in Benitez team, which I'd say over achieved.
Again Klopp took a season to put his inprint on the team and progress was clear, up against a peak City that had set a new level in terms of points needed to win the league.
Man u have progressed in the league but it's hard to gauge how much of that is down to other teams faltering, as Ole doesn't seem to have set a specific style of play. Klopp and Pep have both signed players that don't fit perfectly in their set ups but their clear progress in other areas more than made up for this. Ole doesn't have the same luxury so signings like VDB do seem a bit puzzling.
With the resources available and the standards United have set in recent times I don't think it's unreasonable for fans to expect more.
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 3 seconds ago
Kinda hard to draw comparisons in my view with Liverpool and city.
City were already packed with stars and champions before Pep took them up a level, and that took a season or so. Playing style was in printed on the team within that time frame.
Liverpool had FSG but tbh it wasn't difficult to improve on the previous owners, who massively under invested in Benitez team, which I'd say over achieved.
Again Klopp took a season to put his inprint on the team and progress was clear, up against a peak City that had set a new level in terms of points needed to win the league.
Man u have progressed in the league but it's hard to gauge how much of that is down to other teams faltering, as Ole doesn't seem to have set a specific style of play. Klopp and Pep have both signed players that don't fit perfectly in their set ups but their clear progress in other areas more than made up for this. Ole doesn't have the same luxury so signings like VDB do seem a bit puzzling.
With the resources available and the standards United have set in recent times I don't think it's unreasonable for fans to expect more.
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Its about a project that started 10 years ago. Let Ole do the rebuild and at some point he will be replaced, just like when Pep and Klopp came in. But that is part of the project. Pep and Klopp were not the start of the project, they were basically the final stage.
comment by Rooney-the-GOAT (U4135)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 26 minutes ago
As an outsider, based on results, Ole should at least deserve a shot a next season. He has earned that much.
_____________
I don't think there is even a debate about this if we finish second. The question is more whether grievances about him are legitimate. Of course they are - questions can be asked about style, substitutes and signings - but, as I said a while ago on here, there can't be any serious discussions about actually sacking him because there is zero chance of it happening right now. This isn't Moyes or Van Gaal, when we were hovering around fourth or lower.
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If Pep or Klopp said he wanted the United job, would you still want Ole to continue?
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Thank you for this question.
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Why? It's a fairly pointless question. When does a manager ever seriously say they'd like to manage anywhere else - let alone at a rival club? And it doesn't really matter whether I would want one of them or not. We have a manager who is not getting sacked while we're finishing second.
If you are asking whether I think they are better managers than Solskjaer then, yes, of course I do. That's pretty irrelevant though.
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posted on 6/4/21
Would you accept 10 years without a trophy from Barcelona, your favourite team ?
posted on 6/4/21
As an outsider, based on results, Ole should at least deserve a shot a next season. He has earned that much.
_____________
I don't think there is even a debate about this if we finish second. The question is more whether grievances about him are legitimate. Of course they are - questions can be asked about style, substitutes and signings - but, as I said a while ago on here, there can't be any serious discussions about actually sacking him because there is zero chance of it happening right now. This isn't Moyes or Van Gaal, when we were hovering around fourth or lower.
posted on 6/4/21
comment by Rooney-the-GOAT (U4135)
posted 12 seconds ago
Would you accept 10 years without a trophy from Barcelona, your favourite team ?
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No, but he is only 2 years in his permanent role. And Liverpool and City won trophies in their rebuilding project. I am just saying sacking him now makes no sense in the long term scheme.
posted on 6/4/21
Reasonable well thought out post, Hulk. Nice antidote to the adolescent hysteria you tend to get on here.
posted on 6/4/21
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 34 seconds ago
As an outsider, based on results, Ole should at least deserve a shot a next season. He has earned that much.
_____________
I don't think there is even a debate about this if we finish second. The question is more whether grievances about him are legitimate. Of course they are - questions can be asked about style, substitutes and signings - but, as I said a while ago on here, there can't be any serious discussions about actually sacking him because there is zero chance of it happening right now. This isn't Moyes or Van Gaal, when we were hovering around fourth or lower.
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But there is a debate about it, people want him sacked. Hence my article, you are on a rebuilding project and at the moment Ole is delivering within that project. It takes a lot of time to get everything in place for greatness. Look at Liverpool and City.
posted on 6/4/21
comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
posted 1 minute ago
Reasonable well thought out post, Hulk. Nice antidote to the adolescent hysteria you tend to get on here.
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Cheers
posted on 6/4/21
And would you accept winning a FA cup and finishing 8th. And then reduced to mid-table mediocrity?
The League is and always will be the bread and butter and is the true reflection of where a team is at.
Trophies are a bonus, and cos UTD have the means, their standard is that they should be winning a trophy more consistently than most teams.
But with the knee-jerk media and pundits of today and glory hunters fixation in now now now, patience is looked down upon.
Understand, just cos a fan demands a trophy right now doesn’t mean their standard is any better than a fan with a wait and see mentality.
How are Arsenal fans and pundits glorifying Arteta, yet ridiculing Ole. It just logically makes no sense, unless you are just a glory hunter who doesn’t have the clubs best interest at heart.
posted on 6/4/21
comment by Hulk - Admin 5 (U1250)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Rooney-the-GOAT (U4135)
posted 12 seconds ago
Would you accept 10 years without a trophy from Barcelona, your favourite team ?
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No, but he is only 2 years in his permanent role. And Liverpool and City won trophies in their rebuilding project. I am just saying sacking him now makes no sense in the long term scheme.
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The football we play is horrible. Ole has no style that you clearly identify. His late substitutions are frustrating. His favouritism is going to explode sooner rather later : outspoken players like Lindelof, Rashford, Bruno and Maguire pick themselves even they’re injured, while nice persons like Mata, Romero, Dalot, Bailly and DVB are being treated abominably. Where is the improvement ?
posted on 6/4/21
comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
posted 12 minutes ago
Reasonable well thought out post, Hulk. Nice antidote to the adolescent hysteria you tend to get on here.
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Yep; best article of yours I’ve read, Hulk
posted on 6/4/21
Well said OP <OK>
posted on 6/4/21
Sensible article. Good work Hulk.
posted on 6/4/21
comment by Rooney-the-GOAT (U4135)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Hulk - Admin 5 (U1250)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Rooney-the-GOAT (U4135)
posted 12 seconds ago
Would you accept 10 years without a trophy from Barcelona, your favourite team ?
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No, but he is only 2 years in his permanent role. And Liverpool and City won trophies in their rebuilding project. I am just saying sacking him now makes no sense in the long term scheme.
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The football we play is horrible. Ole has no style that you clearly identify. His late substitutions are frustrating. His favouritism is going to explode sooner rather later : outspoken players like Lindelof, Rashford, Bruno and Maguire pick themselves even they’re injured, while nice persons like Mata, Romero, Dalot, Bailly and DVB are being treated abominably. Where is the improvement ?
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There is a style, but due to injuries, out of form players and a rebuilding project, it doesnt always come to fruition. He has made you hard to beat, and you are able to turn results around. You lost only like 4 in 45. You need to start somewhere.
posted on 6/4/21
His favouritism is going to explode sooner rather later : outspoken players like Lindelof, Rashford, Bruno and Maguire pick themselves even they’re injured, while nice persons like Mata, Romero, Dalot, Bailly and DVB are being treated abominably. Where is the improvement ?
____________________________________
Where has this come from? apart from your head. How do you know dalot, and Beeky are nice people? I'm not saying they aren't but come on, you don't think Ole doesn't pick who is the best man for the job just because someone else is mouthy.
posted on 6/4/21
Hulk's smashed it.
posted on 6/4/21
Thanks lads, only took me 12 years
posted on 6/4/21
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 26 minutes ago
As an outsider, based on results, Ole should at least deserve a shot a next season. He has earned that much.
_____________
I don't think there is even a debate about this if we finish second. The question is more whether grievances about him are legitimate. Of course they are - questions can be asked about style, substitutes and signings - but, as I said a while ago on here, there can't be any serious discussions about actually sacking him because there is zero chance of it happening right now. This isn't Moyes or Van Gaal, when we were hovering around fourth or lower.
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If Pep or Klopp said he wanted the United job, would you still want Ole to continue?
posted on 6/4/21
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 26 minutes ago
As an outsider, based on results, Ole should at least deserve a shot a next season. He has earned that much.
_____________
I don't think there is even a debate about this if we finish second. The question is more whether grievances about him are legitimate. Of course they are - questions can be asked about style, substitutes and signings - but, as I said a while ago on here, there can't be any serious discussions about actually sacking him because there is zero chance of it happening right now. This isn't Moyes or Van Gaal, when we were hovering around fourth or lower.
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If Pep or Klopp said he wanted the United job, would you still want Ole to continue?
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Thank you for this question.
posted on 6/4/21
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 14 minutes ago
His favouritism is going to explode sooner rather later : outspoken players like Lindelof, Rashford, Bruno and Maguire pick themselves even they’re injured, while nice persons like Mata, Romero, Dalot, Bailly and DVB are being treated abominably. Where is the improvement ?
____________________________________
Where has this come from? apart from your head. How do you know dalot, and Beeky are nice people? I'm not saying they aren't but come on, you don't think Ole doesn't pick who is the best man for the job just because someone else is mouthy.
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I suggest that you read yesterday Evening News about the goal keeping situation. How Ole wanted to drop DDG back in November, and when DDG learned hot so angry that Ole had to change his mind. That explains so many things
posted on 6/4/21
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 26 minutes ago
As an outsider, based on results, Ole should at least deserve a shot a next season. He has earned that much.
_____________
I don't think there is even a debate about this if we finish second. The question is more whether grievances about him are legitimate. Of course they are - questions can be asked about style, substitutes and signings - but, as I said a while ago on here, there can't be any serious discussions about actually sacking him because there is zero chance of it happening right now. This isn't Moyes or Van Gaal, when we were hovering around fourth or lower.
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If Pep or Klopp said he wanted the United job, would you still want Ole to continue?
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Of course not. Assuming that this was a parallel universe where they hadn't managed Liverpool and city. That's always been my argument, you only sack a manager who's getting the club to a good place if you've lined up a superstar replacement.
posted on 6/4/21
comment by Rooney-the-GOAT (U4135)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 14 minutes ago
His favouritism is going to explode sooner rather later : outspoken players like Lindelof, Rashford, Bruno and Maguire pick themselves even they’re injured, while nice persons like Mata, Romero, Dalot, Bailly and DVB are being treated abominably. Where is the improvement ?
____________________________________
Where has this come from? apart from your head. How do you know dalot, and Beeky are nice people? I'm not saying they aren't but come on, you don't think Ole doesn't pick who is the best man for the job just because someone else is mouthy.
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I suggest that you read yesterday Evening News about the goal keeping situation. How Ole wanted to drop DDG back in November, and when DDG learned hot so angry that Ole had to change his mind. That explains so many things
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Oh well, if it was in the M. E. N it must be true.
I wonder how Ole found the courage to drop him this time? It doesn't explain anything to me.
posted on 6/4/21
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 26 minutes ago
As an outsider, based on results, Ole should at least deserve a shot a next season. He has earned that much.
_____________
I don't think there is even a debate about this if we finish second. The question is more whether grievances about him are legitimate. Of course they are - questions can be asked about style, substitutes and signings - but, as I said a while ago on here, there can't be any serious discussions about actually sacking him because there is zero chance of it happening right now. This isn't Moyes or Van Gaal, when we were hovering around fourth or lower.
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If Pep or Klopp said he wanted the United job, would you still want Ole to continue?
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Entirely different discussion. Liverpool and City have changed managers over the years when they thought they had reached their potential. Ole probably hasnt considering there is still progression.
posted on 6/4/21
If Pep or Klopp said he wanted the United job, would you still want Ole to continue?
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I can't see either Pep or Klopp winning the PL or CL with this United team within a couple of years, so we'd be hankering for a new manager again.
So on that basis, I'd keep OGS.
posted on 6/4/21
Kinda hard to draw comparisons in my view with Liverpool and city.
City were already packed with stars and champions before Pep took them up a level, and that took a season or so. Playing style was in printed on the team within that time frame.
Liverpool had FSG but tbh it wasn't difficult to improve on the previous owners, who massively under invested in Benitez team, which I'd say over achieved.
Again Klopp took a season to put his inprint on the team and progress was clear, up against a peak City that had set a new level in terms of points needed to win the league.
Man u have progressed in the league but it's hard to gauge how much of that is down to other teams faltering, as Ole doesn't seem to have set a specific style of play. Klopp and Pep have both signed players that don't fit perfectly in their set ups but their clear progress in other areas more than made up for this. Ole doesn't have the same luxury so signings like VDB do seem a bit puzzling.
With the resources available and the standards United have set in recent times I don't think it's unreasonable for fans to expect more.
posted on 6/4/21
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 3 seconds ago
Kinda hard to draw comparisons in my view with Liverpool and city.
City were already packed with stars and champions before Pep took them up a level, and that took a season or so. Playing style was in printed on the team within that time frame.
Liverpool had FSG but tbh it wasn't difficult to improve on the previous owners, who massively under invested in Benitez team, which I'd say over achieved.
Again Klopp took a season to put his inprint on the team and progress was clear, up against a peak City that had set a new level in terms of points needed to win the league.
Man u have progressed in the league but it's hard to gauge how much of that is down to other teams faltering, as Ole doesn't seem to have set a specific style of play. Klopp and Pep have both signed players that don't fit perfectly in their set ups but their clear progress in other areas more than made up for this. Ole doesn't have the same luxury so signings like VDB do seem a bit puzzling.
With the resources available and the standards United have set in recent times I don't think it's unreasonable for fans to expect more.
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Its about a project that started 10 years ago. Let Ole do the rebuild and at some point he will be replaced, just like when Pep and Klopp came in. But that is part of the project. Pep and Klopp were not the start of the project, they were basically the final stage.
posted on 6/4/21
comment by Rooney-the-GOAT (U4135)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 26 minutes ago
As an outsider, based on results, Ole should at least deserve a shot a next season. He has earned that much.
_____________
I don't think there is even a debate about this if we finish second. The question is more whether grievances about him are legitimate. Of course they are - questions can be asked about style, substitutes and signings - but, as I said a while ago on here, there can't be any serious discussions about actually sacking him because there is zero chance of it happening right now. This isn't Moyes or Van Gaal, when we were hovering around fourth or lower.
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If Pep or Klopp said he wanted the United job, would you still want Ole to continue?
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Thank you for this question.
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Why? It's a fairly pointless question. When does a manager ever seriously say they'd like to manage anywhere else - let alone at a rival club? And it doesn't really matter whether I would want one of them or not. We have a manager who is not getting sacked while we're finishing second.
If you are asking whether I think they are better managers than Solskjaer then, yes, of course I do. That's pretty irrelevant though.
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