comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 11 hours, 59 minutes ago
comment by Plump up the jam (U22314)
posted 11 seconds ago
Brexit was a sham, full of lies, full of hate mongering, 52% of thick inbr3d electorate to blame. I also blame dodgy Dave for ever agreeing to a referendum.
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Dave was also to blame for not bothering to campaign to remain due to arrogantly misjudging how peed of the public were with the EU.
Brexit shouldn’t have happened but it did. People now need to get over it and get on with life. And make sure they hold Boris accountable at the next election. And not f@ck up voting again.
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Chinny, what is the alternative? Kier Starmers' Labour? Are the Lib Dems relevant anymore? Do we go down the coalition route? Weak parties lead to poor minority governments. Tactical voting also lead to weak governments.
So easy to become politically apathetic in the UK because politics, politicians, dearth of leadership is so depressing.
Boris is a buffoon, broken so many promises but the lack of alternatives suggest we'll vote him back into office!
Our colleagues in Germany say the papers there are full of UK's plight, empty shelves, highest energy prices in Europe, running out of fuel - blaming it all on our stupid Brexit
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
I voted remain, not because I was clever enough to forecast the future. But because I think we are more important together, more powerful if you like, than apart.
Plus I didn't and don't believe a word Boris says, he's a proven liar.
Finally the paper I've read all my life, the Guardian, advised remain for what seemed good reasons.
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You live in lovely France though. Imagine living in Stoke!
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 59 minutes ago
comment by Ruiney (U1005)
posted 56 minutes ago
Begging the foreign workers to come back. You couldn’t make it up.
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First we told them to fck off. Now we're saying "okay, we do need you at the moment so we're going to let you come back - but only on a temporary basis and then you can fck off again".
Somehow I don't think they'll be beating down the door to get in.
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Put yourself in the shoes of a EU national.
Can drive throughout Europe without any barriers (customs declarations, carnets, export health declarations etc etc to worry about) while at the same time benefiting from (working time Directive etc) EU employment protections/benefits.
To entice EU nationals over here, there will have to be lucrative incentives rolled out by employers. The larger businesses will be better equipped to absorb costs. But a proportion will be passed onto consumers.
Most SMEs (especially in high yield low margin sectors like food and drink) will struggle to cope with these cost increases.
It's economic illiteracy.
Tbh the idea of Corbyn being the solution to anything is more messed up than some fuel shortages 😅
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? McDonald’s Milkshake connoisseur (U3126)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 59 minutes ago
comment by Ruiney (U1005)
posted 56 minutes ago
Begging the foreign workers to come back. You couldn’t make it up.
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First we told them to fck off. Now we're saying "okay, we do need you at the moment so we're going to let you come back - but only on a temporary basis and then you can fck off again".
Somehow I don't think they'll be beating down the door to get in.
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Put yourself in the shoes of a EU national.
Can drive throughout Europe without any barriers (customs declarations, carnets, export health declarations etc etc to worry about) while at the same time benefiting from (working time Directive etc) EU employment protections/benefits.
To entice EU nationals over here, there will have to be lucrative incentives rolled out by employers. The larger businesses will be better equipped to absorb costs. But a proportion will be passed onto consumers.
Most SMEs (especially in high yield low margin sectors like food and drink) will struggle to cope with these cost increases.
It's economic illiteracy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why not train and employ English drivers on a decent wage?
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? McDonald’s Milkshake connoisseur (U3126)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 59 minutes ago
comment by Ruiney (U1005)
posted 56 minutes ago
Begging the foreign workers to come back. You couldn’t make it up.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
First we told them to fck off. Now we're saying "okay, we do need you at the moment so we're going to let you come back - but only on a temporary basis and then you can fck off again".
Somehow I don't think they'll be beating down the door to get in.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Put yourself in the shoes of a EU national.
Can drive throughout Europe without any barriers (customs declarations, carnets, export health declarations etc etc to worry about) while at the same time benefiting from (working time Directive etc) EU employment protections/benefits.
To entice EU nationals over here, there will have to be lucrative incentives rolled out by employers. The larger businesses will be better equipped to absorb costs. But a proportion will be passed onto consumers.
Most SMEs (especially in high yield low margin sectors like food and drink) will struggle to cope with these cost increases.
It's economic illiteracy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Forgot to add the post Brexit cabotage rules...
https://trans.info/en/eu-uk-trade-deal-full-text-changes-to-road-transport-outlined-215608
...that have decimated the UK arts industry:
https://musiceducation.global/cabotage-sabotage-uk-touring-crippled-by-brexit-deal/
...has also exacerbated the problem.
comment by Henry Chinaski (U21800)
posted 3 hours, 38 minutes ago
So many smug posters in here. There will have been many, many people that voted for Brexit purely to spite the condescending know-it-alls such as yourselves. Not saying that's a sensible reason to vote for something but you should be careful how you engage with others of different viewpoints as you will alienate them further and drive them to the opposite extreme by being arrogant and smug.
I voted Brexit for left-wing concerns about the undercutting of worker's wages, multi-nationals using Ireland for example as a tax haven, and at the time I thought Corbyn had a chance of winning an election and I believe he would have overseen Brexit in a much more humane, considered way - but we're all racist idiots who believed that bus slogan right?
The data shows 20% of the 100k HGV drivers we are short on in the UK is due to the missing foreign drivers. The other 80% is covid-related and the decades long trend towards the transport industry needing young people to replace the old but not getting the uptake they want. So that's not really down to Brexit is it?
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you voted for brexit because Ireland was a tax haven when one of the arguments used was to turn Britain into a tax haven.
there's a smart person.
comment by Kante's Dad-Heavy Jumbo (U20563)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? McDonald’s Milkshake connoisseur (U3126)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 59 minutes ago
comment by Ruiney (U1005)
posted 56 minutes ago
Begging the foreign workers to come back. You couldn’t make it up.
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First we told them to fck off. Now we're saying "okay, we do need you at the moment so we're going to let you come back - but only on a temporary basis and then you can fck off again".
Somehow I don't think they'll be beating down the door to get in.
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Put yourself in the shoes of a EU national.
Can drive throughout Europe without any barriers (customs declarations, carnets, export health declarations etc etc to worry about) while at the same time benefiting from (working time Directive etc) EU employment protections/benefits.
To entice EU nationals over here, there will have to be lucrative incentives rolled out by employers. The larger businesses will be better equipped to absorb costs. But a proportion will be passed onto consumers.
Most SMEs (especially in high yield low margin sectors like food and drink) will struggle to cope with these cost increases.
It's economic illiteracy.
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Why not train and employ English drivers on a decent wage?
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Industries such as agri-foods and logistics tried that long before Brexit came about. And years of campaigns and studies found that UK nationals weren't that interested in the work.
Which is one of the reasons it was effectively outsourced to foreign labour. Which underpinned the Industries for decades.
Having a semblance of a plan on how these skill shortages would be fulfilled post Brexit might have been an idea.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 53 seconds ago
I voted remain, not because I was clever enough to forecast the future. But because I think we are more important together, more powerful if you like, than apart.
Plus I didn't and don't believe a word Boris says, he's a proven liar.
Finally the paper I've read all my life, the Guardian, advised remain for what seemed good reasons.
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Agreed
Britain harps on about its Atlanticist relationship or its post colonial ties and the the economic benefit it would extract from those relationships. I see no such historic deal in place so Boris has not delivered
Geographically, historically, maybe not culturally, we are tied to mainland Europe. Over 50% of our trade is with Europe. It made sense to remain.
Britain has always been reticent towards Europe, something I've never understood, it's that reticence that cultimated into politicians fuelling lies. Lies about immigration, lies about the cost of membership to the EU.
Granted, the direction the EU is going is unpalatable. The fact its accounts are never audited, EU politicians are never elected, it's wasteful with resources (prime example begging CAP), it's gravitating towards full monetary union through the EURO (mainly favouring the German- France axis, applying a one size fits all monetary policy which disadvantages the rest). I appreciate we weren't a member of the Euro but matter of time before pressure was applied on us (again)
But natural evolution from monetary union is political union. Two subjects that threatens our sovereignty.
We should have remained and pushed for reform of the EU, advocating the the strengths of the common market and nothing else. The free movement of labour was the strength of the EU and the common market and the backbone of our economy. .
comment by Plump up the jam (U22314)
posted 1 second ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 53 seconds ago
I voted remain, not because I was clever enough to forecast the future. But because I think we are more important together, more powerful if you like, than apart.
Plus I didn't and don't believe a word Boris says, he's a proven liar.
Finally the paper I've read all my life, the Guardian, advised remain for what seemed good reasons.
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Agreed
Britain harps on about its Atlanticist relationship or its post colonial ties and the the economic benefit it would extract from those relationships. I see no such historic deal in place so Boris has not delivered
Geographically, historically, maybe not culturally, we are tied to mainland Europe. Over 50% of our trade is with Europe. It made sense to remain.
Britain has always been reticent towards Europe, something I've never understood, it's that reticence that cultimated into politicians fuelling lies. Lies about immigration, lies about the cost of membership to the EU.
Granted, the direction the EU is going is unpalatable. The fact its accounts are never audited, EU politicians are never elected, it's wasteful with resources (prime example begging CAP), it's gravitating towards full monetary union through the EURO (mainly favouring the German- France axis, applying a one size fits all monetary policy which disadvantages the rest). I appreciate we weren't a member of the Euro but matter of time before pressure was applied on us (again)
But natural evolution from monetary union is political union. Two subjects that threatens our sovereignty.
We should have remained and pushed for reform of the EU, advocating the the strengths of the common market and nothing else. The free movement of labour was the strength of the EU and the common market and the backbone of our economy. .
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*Common market was the backbone of our economy
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? McDonald’s Milkshake connoisseur (U3126)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Kante's Dad-Heavy Jumbo (U20563)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? McDonald’s Milkshake connoisseur (U3126)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 59 minutes ago
comment by Ruiney (U1005)
posted 56 minutes ago
Begging the foreign workers to come back. You couldn’t make it up.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
First we told them to fck off. Now we're saying "okay, we do need you at the moment so we're going to let you come back - but only on a temporary basis and then you can fck off again".
Somehow I don't think they'll be beating down the door to get in.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Put yourself in the shoes of a EU national.
Can drive throughout Europe without any barriers (customs declarations, carnets, export health declarations etc etc to worry about) while at the same time benefiting from (working time Directive etc) EU employment protections/benefits.
To entice EU nationals over here, there will have to be lucrative incentives rolled out by employers. The larger businesses will be better equipped to absorb costs. But a proportion will be passed onto consumers.
Most SMEs (especially in high yield low margin sectors like food and drink) will struggle to cope with these cost increases.
It's economic illiteracy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why not train and employ English drivers on a decent wage?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Industries such as agri-foods and logistics tried that long before Brexit came about. And years of campaigns and studies found that UK nationals weren't that interested in the work.
Which is one of the reasons it was effectively outsourced to foreign labour. Which underpinned the Industries for decades.
Having a semblance of a plan on how these skill shortages would be fulfilled post Brexit might have been an idea.
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Pay better wages. Shareholders and banks get a slightly smaller dividend. If major companies cant survive without cheap labour then fck em!
Just to add the EU Court of auditors, scrutinises, and signs off its accounts every year.
MEPS are elected and the PR system is actually more democratic than our own FPTP.
"Britain has always been reticent towards Europe, something I've never understood"
have you regularly read the papers over the past 30 years?
go and find the pro EU articles, EU was used as a urinal from the lazy journalists. oh there is a problem in the UK write a EU bad article.
Didn’t the Tories vote down an increase in minimum wage?
Some people literally don’t know what they’re voting for
comment by Kante's Dad-Heavy Jumbo (U20563)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? McDonald’s Milkshake connoisseur (U3126)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Kante's Dad-Heavy Jumbo (U20563)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? McDonald’s Milkshake connoisseur (U3126)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 59 minutes ago
comment by Ruiney (U1005)
posted 56 minutes ago
Begging the foreign workers to come back. You couldn’t make it up.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
First we told them to fck off. Now we're saying "okay, we do need you at the moment so we're going to let you come back - but only on a temporary basis and then you can fck off again".
Somehow I don't think they'll be beating down the door to get in.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Put yourself in the shoes of a EU national.
Can drive throughout Europe without any barriers (customs declarations, carnets, export health declarations etc etc to worry about) while at the same time benefiting from (working time Directive etc) EU employment protections/benefits.
To entice EU nationals over here, there will have to be lucrative incentives rolled out by employers. The larger businesses will be better equipped to absorb costs. But a proportion will be passed onto consumers.
Most SMEs (especially in high yield low margin sectors like food and drink) will struggle to cope with these cost increases.
It's economic illiteracy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why not train and employ English drivers on a decent wage?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Industries such as agri-foods and logistics tried that long before Brexit came about. And years of campaigns and studies found that UK nationals weren't that interested in the work.
Which is one of the reasons it was effectively outsourced to foreign labour. Which underpinned the Industries for decades.
Having a semblance of a plan on how these skill shortages would be fulfilled post Brexit might have been an idea.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Pay better wages. Shareholders and banks get a slightly smaller dividend. If major companies cant survive without cheap labour then fck em!
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It was the UK government's choice to allow EU nationals to be exploited.
Paying higher wages is not a magic bullet to fix the problem (see previous post on logistics and cabotage). And in doing so (coupled with inflation, sterling devaluation and trade barriers) will add to increasing prices for consumers.
comment by Dave&Danny (U4428)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by The Hybrid Doos (U10416)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
Expect delays on Amazon deliveries with no fuel for the vans
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Most are electric
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Only a few stations have electric vans, only about 5% are electric at most and they only serve the local area to the delivery station.
They also abandoned the project and have leased their electric vans to DSPs.
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 3 hours, 12 minutes ago
Guess you’d be happy for your weekly shop to cost an extra £5 ?
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Wouldn’t bother me to be honest
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comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 3 hours, 12 minutes ago
Guess you’d be happy for your weekly shop to cost an extra £5 ?
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Wouldn’t bother me to be honest
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Now tell someone who’s universal credit is cut by £20 that their gas bill will be higher and their weekly shop will cost £5 more.
They will likely have a stunned silence while they contemplate how they can stretch.
comment by Samus (Isle of) Arran (U22669)
posted 6 seconds ago
"Britain has always been reticent towards Europe, something I've never understood"
have you regularly read the papers over the past 30 years?
go and find the pro EU articles, EU was used as a urinal from the lazy journalists. oh there is a problem in the UK write a EU bad article.
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The reticence was at the heart of the Tories with a stong right wing agenda (no different to UKIP in fact). It was tearing them apart internally. 52% of the electorate opting to leave suggests there was little love for the EU.
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? McDonald’s Milkshake connoisseur (U3126)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kante's Dad-Heavy Jumbo (U20563)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? McDonald’s Milkshake connoisseur (U3126)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Kante's Dad-Heavy Jumbo (U20563)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? McDonald’s Milkshake connoisseur (U3126)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 59 minutes ago
comment by Ruiney (U1005)
posted 56 minutes ago
Begging the foreign workers to come back. You couldn’t make it up.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
First we told them to fck off. Now we're saying "okay, we do need you at the moment so we're going to let you come back - but only on a temporary basis and then you can fck off again".
Somehow I don't think they'll be beating down the door to get in.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Put yourself in the shoes of a EU national.
Can drive throughout Europe without any barriers (customs declarations, carnets, export health declarations etc etc to worry about) while at the same time benefiting from (working time Directive etc) EU employment protections/benefits.
To entice EU nationals over here, there will have to be lucrative incentives rolled out by employers. The larger businesses will be better equipped to absorb costs. But a proportion will be passed onto consumers.
Most SMEs (especially in high yield low margin sectors like food and drink) will struggle to cope with these cost increases.
It's economic illiteracy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why not train and employ English drivers on a decent wage?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Industries such as agri-foods and logistics tried that long before Brexit came about. And years of campaigns and studies found that UK nationals weren't that interested in the work.
Which is one of the reasons it was effectively outsourced to foreign labour. Which underpinned the Industries for decades.
Having a semblance of a plan on how these skill shortages would be fulfilled post Brexit might have been an idea.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Pay better wages. Shareholders and banks get a slightly smaller dividend. If major companies cant survive without cheap labour then fck em!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It was the UK government's choice to allow EU nationals to be exploited.
Paying higher wages is not a magic bullet to fix the problem (see previous post on logistics and cabotage). And in doing so (coupled with inflation, sterling devaluation and trade barriers) will add to increasing prices for consumers.
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But you know wages v cost of living is the worst its ever been.
comment by Plump up the jam (U22314)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Samus (Isle of) Arran (U22669)
posted 6 seconds ago
"Britain has always been reticent towards Europe, something I've never understood"
have you regularly read the papers over the past 30 years?
go and find the pro EU articles, EU was used as a urinal from the lazy journalists. oh there is a problem in the UK write a EU bad article.
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The reticence was at the heart of the Tories with a stong right wing agenda (no different to UKIP in fact). It was tearing them apart internally. 52% of the electorate opting to leave suggests there was little love for the EU.
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roughly 17 million voted out of the 48 million available votes.
Myth of the majority
comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 2 minutes ago
Didn’t the Tories vote down an increase in minimum wage?
Some people literally don’t know what they’re voting for
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Most of the voting public are not very clued up sadly.
They are informed through sources that lack credibility, that is the issue. The rise of misinformation and the gullible populous, a sizable portion, accepting that as Gospel.
comment by Ruiney (U1005)
posted 2 hours, 46 minutes ago
Begging the foreign workers to come back. You couldn’t make it up.
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I know right? And guess what - they are reticent to come back.
Who the fack would want to leave their families for Christmas for short term work when they’re already gainfully employed.
In a nation that really doesn’t want them?
Absolute nonsense, and it’s too late anyway.
Merry Christmas brexiters, you absolute morons.
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posted on 25/9/21
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 11 hours, 59 minutes ago
comment by Plump up the jam (U22314)
posted 11 seconds ago
Brexit was a sham, full of lies, full of hate mongering, 52% of thick inbr3d electorate to blame. I also blame dodgy Dave for ever agreeing to a referendum.
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Dave was also to blame for not bothering to campaign to remain due to arrogantly misjudging how peed of the public were with the EU.
Brexit shouldn’t have happened but it did. People now need to get over it and get on with life. And make sure they hold Boris accountable at the next election. And not f@ck up voting again.
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Chinny, what is the alternative? Kier Starmers' Labour? Are the Lib Dems relevant anymore? Do we go down the coalition route? Weak parties lead to poor minority governments. Tactical voting also lead to weak governments.
So easy to become politically apathetic in the UK because politics, politicians, dearth of leadership is so depressing.
Boris is a buffoon, broken so many promises but the lack of alternatives suggest we'll vote him back into office!
posted on 25/9/21
Our colleagues in Germany say the papers there are full of UK's plight, empty shelves, highest energy prices in Europe, running out of fuel - blaming it all on our stupid Brexit
posted on 25/9/21
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
I voted remain, not because I was clever enough to forecast the future. But because I think we are more important together, more powerful if you like, than apart.
Plus I didn't and don't believe a word Boris says, he's a proven liar.
Finally the paper I've read all my life, the Guardian, advised remain for what seemed good reasons.
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You live in lovely France though. Imagine living in Stoke!
posted on 25/9/21
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 59 minutes ago
comment by Ruiney (U1005)
posted 56 minutes ago
Begging the foreign workers to come back. You couldn’t make it up.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
First we told them to fck off. Now we're saying "okay, we do need you at the moment so we're going to let you come back - but only on a temporary basis and then you can fck off again".
Somehow I don't think they'll be beating down the door to get in.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Put yourself in the shoes of a EU national.
Can drive throughout Europe without any barriers (customs declarations, carnets, export health declarations etc etc to worry about) while at the same time benefiting from (working time Directive etc) EU employment protections/benefits.
To entice EU nationals over here, there will have to be lucrative incentives rolled out by employers. The larger businesses will be better equipped to absorb costs. But a proportion will be passed onto consumers.
Most SMEs (especially in high yield low margin sectors like food and drink) will struggle to cope with these cost increases.
It's economic illiteracy.
posted on 25/9/21
Tbh the idea of Corbyn being the solution to anything is more messed up than some fuel shortages 😅
posted on 25/9/21
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? McDonald’s Milkshake connoisseur (U3126)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 59 minutes ago
comment by Ruiney (U1005)
posted 56 minutes ago
Begging the foreign workers to come back. You couldn’t make it up.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
First we told them to fck off. Now we're saying "okay, we do need you at the moment so we're going to let you come back - but only on a temporary basis and then you can fck off again".
Somehow I don't think they'll be beating down the door to get in.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Put yourself in the shoes of a EU national.
Can drive throughout Europe without any barriers (customs declarations, carnets, export health declarations etc etc to worry about) while at the same time benefiting from (working time Directive etc) EU employment protections/benefits.
To entice EU nationals over here, there will have to be lucrative incentives rolled out by employers. The larger businesses will be better equipped to absorb costs. But a proportion will be passed onto consumers.
Most SMEs (especially in high yield low margin sectors like food and drink) will struggle to cope with these cost increases.
It's economic illiteracy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why not train and employ English drivers on a decent wage?
posted on 25/9/21
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? McDonald’s Milkshake connoisseur (U3126)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 59 minutes ago
comment by Ruiney (U1005)
posted 56 minutes ago
Begging the foreign workers to come back. You couldn’t make it up.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
First we told them to fck off. Now we're saying "okay, we do need you at the moment so we're going to let you come back - but only on a temporary basis and then you can fck off again".
Somehow I don't think they'll be beating down the door to get in.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Put yourself in the shoes of a EU national.
Can drive throughout Europe without any barriers (customs declarations, carnets, export health declarations etc etc to worry about) while at the same time benefiting from (working time Directive etc) EU employment protections/benefits.
To entice EU nationals over here, there will have to be lucrative incentives rolled out by employers. The larger businesses will be better equipped to absorb costs. But a proportion will be passed onto consumers.
Most SMEs (especially in high yield low margin sectors like food and drink) will struggle to cope with these cost increases.
It's economic illiteracy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Forgot to add the post Brexit cabotage rules...
https://trans.info/en/eu-uk-trade-deal-full-text-changes-to-road-transport-outlined-215608
...that have decimated the UK arts industry:
https://musiceducation.global/cabotage-sabotage-uk-touring-crippled-by-brexit-deal/
...has also exacerbated the problem.
posted on 25/9/21
comment by Henry Chinaski (U21800)
posted 3 hours, 38 minutes ago
So many smug posters in here. There will have been many, many people that voted for Brexit purely to spite the condescending know-it-alls such as yourselves. Not saying that's a sensible reason to vote for something but you should be careful how you engage with others of different viewpoints as you will alienate them further and drive them to the opposite extreme by being arrogant and smug.
I voted Brexit for left-wing concerns about the undercutting of worker's wages, multi-nationals using Ireland for example as a tax haven, and at the time I thought Corbyn had a chance of winning an election and I believe he would have overseen Brexit in a much more humane, considered way - but we're all racist idiots who believed that bus slogan right?
The data shows 20% of the 100k HGV drivers we are short on in the UK is due to the missing foreign drivers. The other 80% is covid-related and the decades long trend towards the transport industry needing young people to replace the old but not getting the uptake they want. So that's not really down to Brexit is it?
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you voted for brexit because Ireland was a tax haven when one of the arguments used was to turn Britain into a tax haven.
there's a smart person.
posted on 25/9/21
comment by Kante's Dad-Heavy Jumbo (U20563)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? McDonald’s Milkshake connoisseur (U3126)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 59 minutes ago
comment by Ruiney (U1005)
posted 56 minutes ago
Begging the foreign workers to come back. You couldn’t make it up.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
First we told them to fck off. Now we're saying "okay, we do need you at the moment so we're going to let you come back - but only on a temporary basis and then you can fck off again".
Somehow I don't think they'll be beating down the door to get in.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Put yourself in the shoes of a EU national.
Can drive throughout Europe without any barriers (customs declarations, carnets, export health declarations etc etc to worry about) while at the same time benefiting from (working time Directive etc) EU employment protections/benefits.
To entice EU nationals over here, there will have to be lucrative incentives rolled out by employers. The larger businesses will be better equipped to absorb costs. But a proportion will be passed onto consumers.
Most SMEs (especially in high yield low margin sectors like food and drink) will struggle to cope with these cost increases.
It's economic illiteracy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why not train and employ English drivers on a decent wage?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Industries such as agri-foods and logistics tried that long before Brexit came about. And years of campaigns and studies found that UK nationals weren't that interested in the work.
Which is one of the reasons it was effectively outsourced to foreign labour. Which underpinned the Industries for decades.
Having a semblance of a plan on how these skill shortages would be fulfilled post Brexit might have been an idea.
posted on 25/9/21
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 53 seconds ago
I voted remain, not because I was clever enough to forecast the future. But because I think we are more important together, more powerful if you like, than apart.
Plus I didn't and don't believe a word Boris says, he's a proven liar.
Finally the paper I've read all my life, the Guardian, advised remain for what seemed good reasons.
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Agreed
Britain harps on about its Atlanticist relationship or its post colonial ties and the the economic benefit it would extract from those relationships. I see no such historic deal in place so Boris has not delivered
Geographically, historically, maybe not culturally, we are tied to mainland Europe. Over 50% of our trade is with Europe. It made sense to remain.
Britain has always been reticent towards Europe, something I've never understood, it's that reticence that cultimated into politicians fuelling lies. Lies about immigration, lies about the cost of membership to the EU.
Granted, the direction the EU is going is unpalatable. The fact its accounts are never audited, EU politicians are never elected, it's wasteful with resources (prime example begging CAP), it's gravitating towards full monetary union through the EURO (mainly favouring the German- France axis, applying a one size fits all monetary policy which disadvantages the rest). I appreciate we weren't a member of the Euro but matter of time before pressure was applied on us (again)
But natural evolution from monetary union is political union. Two subjects that threatens our sovereignty.
We should have remained and pushed for reform of the EU, advocating the the strengths of the common market and nothing else. The free movement of labour was the strength of the EU and the common market and the backbone of our economy. .
posted on 25/9/21
comment by Plump up the jam (U22314)
posted 1 second ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 53 seconds ago
I voted remain, not because I was clever enough to forecast the future. But because I think we are more important together, more powerful if you like, than apart.
Plus I didn't and don't believe a word Boris says, he's a proven liar.
Finally the paper I've read all my life, the Guardian, advised remain for what seemed good reasons.
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Agreed
Britain harps on about its Atlanticist relationship or its post colonial ties and the the economic benefit it would extract from those relationships. I see no such historic deal in place so Boris has not delivered
Geographically, historically, maybe not culturally, we are tied to mainland Europe. Over 50% of our trade is with Europe. It made sense to remain.
Britain has always been reticent towards Europe, something I've never understood, it's that reticence that cultimated into politicians fuelling lies. Lies about immigration, lies about the cost of membership to the EU.
Granted, the direction the EU is going is unpalatable. The fact its accounts are never audited, EU politicians are never elected, it's wasteful with resources (prime example begging CAP), it's gravitating towards full monetary union through the EURO (mainly favouring the German- France axis, applying a one size fits all monetary policy which disadvantages the rest). I appreciate we weren't a member of the Euro but matter of time before pressure was applied on us (again)
But natural evolution from monetary union is political union. Two subjects that threatens our sovereignty.
We should have remained and pushed for reform of the EU, advocating the the strengths of the common market and nothing else. The free movement of labour was the strength of the EU and the common market and the backbone of our economy. .
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*Common market was the backbone of our economy
posted on 25/9/21
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? McDonald’s Milkshake connoisseur (U3126)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Kante's Dad-Heavy Jumbo (U20563)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? McDonald’s Milkshake connoisseur (U3126)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 59 minutes ago
comment by Ruiney (U1005)
posted 56 minutes ago
Begging the foreign workers to come back. You couldn’t make it up.
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First we told them to fck off. Now we're saying "okay, we do need you at the moment so we're going to let you come back - but only on a temporary basis and then you can fck off again".
Somehow I don't think they'll be beating down the door to get in.
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Put yourself in the shoes of a EU national.
Can drive throughout Europe without any barriers (customs declarations, carnets, export health declarations etc etc to worry about) while at the same time benefiting from (working time Directive etc) EU employment protections/benefits.
To entice EU nationals over here, there will have to be lucrative incentives rolled out by employers. The larger businesses will be better equipped to absorb costs. But a proportion will be passed onto consumers.
Most SMEs (especially in high yield low margin sectors like food and drink) will struggle to cope with these cost increases.
It's economic illiteracy.
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Why not train and employ English drivers on a decent wage?
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Industries such as agri-foods and logistics tried that long before Brexit came about. And years of campaigns and studies found that UK nationals weren't that interested in the work.
Which is one of the reasons it was effectively outsourced to foreign labour. Which underpinned the Industries for decades.
Having a semblance of a plan on how these skill shortages would be fulfilled post Brexit might have been an idea.
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Pay better wages. Shareholders and banks get a slightly smaller dividend. If major companies cant survive without cheap labour then fck em!
posted on 25/9/21
Just to add the EU Court of auditors, scrutinises, and signs off its accounts every year.
MEPS are elected and the PR system is actually more democratic than our own FPTP.
posted on 25/9/21
And Come On Chelsea!
posted on 25/9/21
"Britain has always been reticent towards Europe, something I've never understood"
have you regularly read the papers over the past 30 years?
go and find the pro EU articles, EU was used as a urinal from the lazy journalists. oh there is a problem in the UK write a EU bad article.
posted on 25/9/21
Didn’t the Tories vote down an increase in minimum wage?
Some people literally don’t know what they’re voting for
posted on 25/9/21
comment by Kante's Dad-Heavy Jumbo (U20563)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? McDonald’s Milkshake connoisseur (U3126)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Kante's Dad-Heavy Jumbo (U20563)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? McDonald’s Milkshake connoisseur (U3126)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 59 minutes ago
comment by Ruiney (U1005)
posted 56 minutes ago
Begging the foreign workers to come back. You couldn’t make it up.
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First we told them to fck off. Now we're saying "okay, we do need you at the moment so we're going to let you come back - but only on a temporary basis and then you can fck off again".
Somehow I don't think they'll be beating down the door to get in.
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Put yourself in the shoes of a EU national.
Can drive throughout Europe without any barriers (customs declarations, carnets, export health declarations etc etc to worry about) while at the same time benefiting from (working time Directive etc) EU employment protections/benefits.
To entice EU nationals over here, there will have to be lucrative incentives rolled out by employers. The larger businesses will be better equipped to absorb costs. But a proportion will be passed onto consumers.
Most SMEs (especially in high yield low margin sectors like food and drink) will struggle to cope with these cost increases.
It's economic illiteracy.
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Why not train and employ English drivers on a decent wage?
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Industries such as agri-foods and logistics tried that long before Brexit came about. And years of campaigns and studies found that UK nationals weren't that interested in the work.
Which is one of the reasons it was effectively outsourced to foreign labour. Which underpinned the Industries for decades.
Having a semblance of a plan on how these skill shortages would be fulfilled post Brexit might have been an idea.
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Pay better wages. Shareholders and banks get a slightly smaller dividend. If major companies cant survive without cheap labour then fck em!
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It was the UK government's choice to allow EU nationals to be exploited.
Paying higher wages is not a magic bullet to fix the problem (see previous post on logistics and cabotage). And in doing so (coupled with inflation, sterling devaluation and trade barriers) will add to increasing prices for consumers.
posted on 25/9/21
comment by Dave&Danny (U4428)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by The Hybrid Doos (U10416)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
Expect delays on Amazon deliveries with no fuel for the vans
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Most are electric
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Only a few stations have electric vans, only about 5% are electric at most and they only serve the local area to the delivery station.
They also abandoned the project and have leased their electric vans to DSPs.
posted on 25/9/21
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 3 hours, 12 minutes ago
Guess you’d be happy for your weekly shop to cost an extra £5 ?
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Wouldn’t bother me to be honest
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posted on 25/9/21
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 3 hours, 12 minutes ago
Guess you’d be happy for your weekly shop to cost an extra £5 ?
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Wouldn’t bother me to be honest
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Now tell someone who’s universal credit is cut by £20 that their gas bill will be higher and their weekly shop will cost £5 more.
They will likely have a stunned silence while they contemplate how they can stretch.
posted on 25/9/21
comment by Samus (Isle of) Arran (U22669)
posted 6 seconds ago
"Britain has always been reticent towards Europe, something I've never understood"
have you regularly read the papers over the past 30 years?
go and find the pro EU articles, EU was used as a urinal from the lazy journalists. oh there is a problem in the UK write a EU bad article.
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The reticence was at the heart of the Tories with a stong right wing agenda (no different to UKIP in fact). It was tearing them apart internally. 52% of the electorate opting to leave suggests there was little love for the EU.
posted on 25/9/21
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? McDonald’s Milkshake connoisseur (U3126)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kante's Dad-Heavy Jumbo (U20563)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? McDonald’s Milkshake connoisseur (U3126)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Kante's Dad-Heavy Jumbo (U20563)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? McDonald’s Milkshake connoisseur (U3126)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 59 minutes ago
comment by Ruiney (U1005)
posted 56 minutes ago
Begging the foreign workers to come back. You couldn’t make it up.
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First we told them to fck off. Now we're saying "okay, we do need you at the moment so we're going to let you come back - but only on a temporary basis and then you can fck off again".
Somehow I don't think they'll be beating down the door to get in.
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Put yourself in the shoes of a EU national.
Can drive throughout Europe without any barriers (customs declarations, carnets, export health declarations etc etc to worry about) while at the same time benefiting from (working time Directive etc) EU employment protections/benefits.
To entice EU nationals over here, there will have to be lucrative incentives rolled out by employers. The larger businesses will be better equipped to absorb costs. But a proportion will be passed onto consumers.
Most SMEs (especially in high yield low margin sectors like food and drink) will struggle to cope with these cost increases.
It's economic illiteracy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why not train and employ English drivers on a decent wage?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Industries such as agri-foods and logistics tried that long before Brexit came about. And years of campaigns and studies found that UK nationals weren't that interested in the work.
Which is one of the reasons it was effectively outsourced to foreign labour. Which underpinned the Industries for decades.
Having a semblance of a plan on how these skill shortages would be fulfilled post Brexit might have been an idea.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Pay better wages. Shareholders and banks get a slightly smaller dividend. If major companies cant survive without cheap labour then fck em!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It was the UK government's choice to allow EU nationals to be exploited.
Paying higher wages is not a magic bullet to fix the problem (see previous post on logistics and cabotage). And in doing so (coupled with inflation, sterling devaluation and trade barriers) will add to increasing prices for consumers.
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But you know wages v cost of living is the worst its ever been.
posted on 25/9/21
comment by Plump up the jam (U22314)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Samus (Isle of) Arran (U22669)
posted 6 seconds ago
"Britain has always been reticent towards Europe, something I've never understood"
have you regularly read the papers over the past 30 years?
go and find the pro EU articles, EU was used as a urinal from the lazy journalists. oh there is a problem in the UK write a EU bad article.
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The reticence was at the heart of the Tories with a stong right wing agenda (no different to UKIP in fact). It was tearing them apart internally. 52% of the electorate opting to leave suggests there was little love for the EU.
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roughly 17 million voted out of the 48 million available votes.
Myth of the majority
posted on 25/9/21
comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 2 minutes ago
Didn’t the Tories vote down an increase in minimum wage?
Some people literally don’t know what they’re voting for
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Most of the voting public are not very clued up sadly.
They are informed through sources that lack credibility, that is the issue. The rise of misinformation and the gullible populous, a sizable portion, accepting that as Gospel.
posted on 25/9/21
comment by Ruiney (U1005)
posted 2 hours, 46 minutes ago
Begging the foreign workers to come back. You couldn’t make it up.
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I know right? And guess what - they are reticent to come back.
Who the fack would want to leave their families for Christmas for short term work when they’re already gainfully employed.
In a nation that really doesn’t want them?
Absolute nonsense, and it’s too late anyway.
Merry Christmas brexiters, you absolute morons.
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