Realistically you will do nothing until you sort the board out. The rot starts there.
The issue for the past few months has always been is there actually a suitable replacement? Currently it would seem the managers who are available and considered good are Conte or Zidane, neither of which I would personally want as I don't think they quite fit. Then there are managers like Ten Hag or even Rodgers who are still in work and most likely not available until at least the summer.
We can't rush this decision and it's key we make the right one so for me it probably makes more sense to have an interim manager (who has no chance of taking the job full time) just to make a clean break and then look into who can come in over the summer.
I think we also seriously need to look into recruitment with our coaches. Neither Carrick or McKenna have any real first team coaching experience while it's unsure what Phelan actually does.While Ramsey the set piece specialist (also friend of McKenna) also has no first team coaching experience and is only 29. However I'm sure whoever does come in will bring their own people.
Now we are at a junction where it is clear even for the most avid ole fans that ole is not the man to take us forward. What do we do? Act aggressively to get a better manager or sit on the decision until other clubs get these managers while moaning about lack of manageral options. If I was a betting man I know what I will bet on but let's up I'm wrong.
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They're going to sit on there ar$e and watch other clubs snap up the remaining good managers like they've been doing for the past 8 years. Thought there was a restructure within the club since Ole was put in place, looks to me like its the same old. Ole was put in place to make all the fans feel like the executive board and owners care about the Utd traditions, since he did an acceptable job....as in the bare minimum, they got all giddy and thought that's it, this is the man. Now $hit has hit the ceiling they don't know what to do.
The issue for the past few months has always been is there actually a suitable replacement?
....
And that's the reality, there is no one out there that's assured to be anyway better than what is there now.
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 2 minutes ago
The issue for the past few months has always been is there actually a suitable replacement? Currently it would seem the managers who are available and considered good are Conte or Zidane, neither of which I would personally want as I don't think they quite fit. Then there are managers like Ten Hag or even Rodgers who are still in work and most likely not available until at least the summer.
We can't rush this decision and it's key we make the right one so for me it probably makes more sense to have an interim manager
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Let's go back to the very beginning. SAF was leaving and we had the opprtunity to maybe recruit one of the best managers in the world (pep). Our attempt was a hotel meeting between the 2. While city subsequently moved heaven and earth to sign him.
The point I am trying to make is that the stars don't usually align and waiting for them to do so is usually futile as there will be other more aggressive clubs who would force the stars to align in their favour.
While a manager like ten hag might look settle at ajax there are so many things utd can do now to get him(maybe for next summer) that I am 100% sure we wouldn't but another club will.
Martial law - I am surprised you know I recommend jardim. He is not a popular choice just a personal favourite
The Ferguson replacement was made very difficult with the death of his sister in law. It’s completely changed Ferguson’s priorities and put the club in a difficult position where they didn’t have the time to bring in the right replacement. Pep he already picked Bayern and Ancelotti Real.
comment by RB&W - The Front Man (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
what is an avid Ole fan?
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LOL
I am not going to bite
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 14 minutes ago
The issue for the past few months has always been is there actually a suitable replacement?
....
And that's the reality, there is no one out there that's assured to be anyway better than what is there now.
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That's the sort of attitude that leaves you stuck with Ole until he calls it a day. Just because there are no guarantees, doesn't mean you should stick with a certain failure.
True but who would you take if we had to pick someone today?
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 2 minutes ago
The Ferguson replacement was made very difficult with the death of his sister in law. It’s completely changed Ferguson’s priorities and put the club in a difficult position where they didn’t have the time to bring in the right replacement. Pep he already picked Bayern and Ancelotti Real.
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I don't know if you realise that you are making my point for me. Pep went to bayern because bayern did the hardwork behind the scenes to get him. They had a clear plan that wasn't derailed by evening winning the UCL. Utd on the otherhand arranged for pep to meet saf in a meeting that wasn't even clear to pep he was being offered the job.
Utd need to be aggressive to get the best managers and players because they are usually not hanging around and have many suitors
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 14 minutes ago
The issue for the past few months has always been is there actually a suitable replacement?
....
And that's the reality, there is no one out there that's assured to be anyway better than what is there now.
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That's the sort of attitude that leaves you stuck with Ole until he calls it a day. Just because there are no guarantees, doesn't mean you should stick with a certain failure.
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Moyes
LVG
Mourinho
How's that strategy working?
Pay the redundancy, pay the agent and the sign on fee all for the same result.
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 2 minutes ago
True but who would you take if we had to pick someone today?
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Zidane
Conte
Marcelo Gallardo
Erik Ten Hag
Rodgers
Anybody would be a massive massive upgrade over Ole
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 14 minutes ago
The issue for the past few months has always been is there actually a suitable replacement?
....
And that's the reality, there is no one out there that's assured to be anyway better than what is there now.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's the sort of attitude that leaves you stuck with Ole until he calls it a day. Just because there are no guarantees, doesn't mean you should stick with a certain failure.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Moyes
LVG
Mourinho
How's that strategy working?
Pay the redundancy, pay the agent and the sign on fee all for the same result.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes and we keep doing that until we find the right one
Garner
But how could United have got Pep before if Ferguson had no intention of retiring until his step sister passed away? From what I read back then Ferguson and Gil regularly spoke about possible replacements but the death sadly put a spanner in the works.
Ferguson didn't go to NY to offer Pep the job, from what I read it was a casual visit where they spoke and I'm guessing Ferguson told him that he'd love for him to take the job one day but seeing as Ferguson had no plans to retire how could he offer him it?
comment by I am Batman (U22734)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 14 minutes ago
The issue for the past few months has always been is there actually a suitable replacement?
....
And that's the reality, there is no one out there that's assured to be anyway better than what is there now.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's the sort of attitude that leaves you stuck with Ole until he calls it a day. Just because there are no guarantees, doesn't mean you should stick with a certain failure.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Moyes
LVG
Mourinho
How's that strategy working?
Pay the redundancy, pay the agent and the sign on fee all for the same result.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes and we keep doing that until we find the right one
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Exactly.
I am not sure where the mindset of not trying again because you failed previously comes from. I have seen so many utd fans say this, I am actually worried.
https://twitter.com/paulpogba/status/1453284060223188992?t=tylDYFu7IM68jgVQpMYu6A&s=19
This is not going well.
Zidane
Unknown how he would do at United, did brilliantly at Real where he's a huge part of their history and knew the club well having been asistant to Ancelotti.
Conte
Very good manager but question marks over whether we have the squad for him to work well with and like LVG and Jose he's a nutter and maybe we've had enough of them.
Marcelo Gallardo
Huge risk taking someone from another continent who's never managed or even played in the PL and imagine how upset SE85 would be.
Erik Ten Hag
Isn't available yet.
Rodgers
Probably isn't available yet.
So, if Ole suddenly drops dead(god keep him)
We dont move on or just give the job to mckenna
Ronaldo. Don't forget he managed Portugal to winning the Euros.
comment by Martial Law (U13506)
posted 1 minute ago
So, if Ole suddenly drops dead(god keep him)
We dont move on or just give the job to mckenna
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We just don't replace him. As there's no guarantee the next guy would do a better job than Ole's corpse
Managers I want
Conte
Ten Haag
Rodgers
Pochettino
Managers I don’t want
Bruce
Southgate
Allegri
Any of our current coaching staff
Blanc
Managers I’m indifferent to
Zidane
^^^^ just in case I’m 6 months our new manager isn’t Conte and people say ‘you must be annoyed it’s not Conte.
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posted on 27/10/21
Realistically you will do nothing until you sort the board out. The rot starts there.
posted on 27/10/21
The issue for the past few months has always been is there actually a suitable replacement? Currently it would seem the managers who are available and considered good are Conte or Zidane, neither of which I would personally want as I don't think they quite fit. Then there are managers like Ten Hag or even Rodgers who are still in work and most likely not available until at least the summer.
We can't rush this decision and it's key we make the right one so for me it probably makes more sense to have an interim manager (who has no chance of taking the job full time) just to make a clean break and then look into who can come in over the summer.
I think we also seriously need to look into recruitment with our coaches. Neither Carrick or McKenna have any real first team coaching experience while it's unsure what Phelan actually does.While Ramsey the set piece specialist (also friend of McKenna) also has no first team coaching experience and is only 29. However I'm sure whoever does come in will bring their own people.
posted on 27/10/21
Now we are at a junction where it is clear even for the most avid ole fans that ole is not the man to take us forward. What do we do? Act aggressively to get a better manager or sit on the decision until other clubs get these managers while moaning about lack of manageral options. If I was a betting man I know what I will bet on but let's up I'm wrong.
------------------------
They're going to sit on there ar$e and watch other clubs snap up the remaining good managers like they've been doing for the past 8 years. Thought there was a restructure within the club since Ole was put in place, looks to me like its the same old. Ole was put in place to make all the fans feel like the executive board and owners care about the Utd traditions, since he did an acceptable job....as in the bare minimum, they got all giddy and thought that's it, this is the man. Now $hit has hit the ceiling they don't know what to do.
posted on 27/10/21
You recommend Jardim?
posted on 27/10/21
The issue for the past few months has always been is there actually a suitable replacement?
....
And that's the reality, there is no one out there that's assured to be anyway better than what is there now.
posted on 27/10/21
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 2 minutes ago
The issue for the past few months has always been is there actually a suitable replacement? Currently it would seem the managers who are available and considered good are Conte or Zidane, neither of which I would personally want as I don't think they quite fit. Then there are managers like Ten Hag or even Rodgers who are still in work and most likely not available until at least the summer.
We can't rush this decision and it's key we make the right one so for me it probably makes more sense to have an interim manager
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Let's go back to the very beginning. SAF was leaving and we had the opprtunity to maybe recruit one of the best managers in the world (pep). Our attempt was a hotel meeting between the 2. While city subsequently moved heaven and earth to sign him.
The point I am trying to make is that the stars don't usually align and waiting for them to do so is usually futile as there will be other more aggressive clubs who would force the stars to align in their favour.
While a manager like ten hag might look settle at ajax there are so many things utd can do now to get him(maybe for next summer) that I am 100% sure we wouldn't but another club will.
Martial law - I am surprised you know I recommend jardim. He is not a popular choice just a personal favourite
posted on 27/10/21
what is an avid Ole fan?
posted on 27/10/21
The Ferguson replacement was made very difficult with the death of his sister in law. It’s completely changed Ferguson’s priorities and put the club in a difficult position where they didn’t have the time to bring in the right replacement. Pep he already picked Bayern and Ancelotti Real.
posted on 27/10/21
comment by RB&W - The Front Man (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
what is an avid Ole fan?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
LOL
I am not going to bite
posted on 27/10/21
Jardim is a good choice.
posted on 27/10/21
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 14 minutes ago
The issue for the past few months has always been is there actually a suitable replacement?
....
And that's the reality, there is no one out there that's assured to be anyway better than what is there now.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's the sort of attitude that leaves you stuck with Ole until he calls it a day. Just because there are no guarantees, doesn't mean you should stick with a certain failure.
posted on 27/10/21
True but who would you take if we had to pick someone today?
posted on 27/10/21
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 2 minutes ago
The Ferguson replacement was made very difficult with the death of his sister in law. It’s completely changed Ferguson’s priorities and put the club in a difficult position where they didn’t have the time to bring in the right replacement. Pep he already picked Bayern and Ancelotti Real.
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I don't know if you realise that you are making my point for me. Pep went to bayern because bayern did the hardwork behind the scenes to get him. They had a clear plan that wasn't derailed by evening winning the UCL. Utd on the otherhand arranged for pep to meet saf in a meeting that wasn't even clear to pep he was being offered the job.
Utd need to be aggressive to get the best managers and players because they are usually not hanging around and have many suitors
posted on 27/10/21
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 14 minutes ago
The issue for the past few months has always been is there actually a suitable replacement?
....
And that's the reality, there is no one out there that's assured to be anyway better than what is there now.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's the sort of attitude that leaves you stuck with Ole until he calls it a day. Just because there are no guarantees, doesn't mean you should stick with a certain failure.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Moyes
LVG
Mourinho
How's that strategy working?
Pay the redundancy, pay the agent and the sign on fee all for the same result.
posted on 27/10/21
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 2 minutes ago
True but who would you take if we had to pick someone today?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Zidane
Conte
Marcelo Gallardo
Erik Ten Hag
Rodgers
Anybody would be a massive massive upgrade over Ole
posted on 27/10/21
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 14 minutes ago
The issue for the past few months has always been is there actually a suitable replacement?
....
And that's the reality, there is no one out there that's assured to be anyway better than what is there now.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's the sort of attitude that leaves you stuck with Ole until he calls it a day. Just because there are no guarantees, doesn't mean you should stick with a certain failure.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Moyes
LVG
Mourinho
How's that strategy working?
Pay the redundancy, pay the agent and the sign on fee all for the same result.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes and we keep doing that until we find the right one
posted on 27/10/21
Garner
But how could United have got Pep before if Ferguson had no intention of retiring until his step sister passed away? From what I read back then Ferguson and Gil regularly spoke about possible replacements but the death sadly put a spanner in the works.
Ferguson didn't go to NY to offer Pep the job, from what I read it was a casual visit where they spoke and I'm guessing Ferguson told him that he'd love for him to take the job one day but seeing as Ferguson had no plans to retire how could he offer him it?
posted on 27/10/21
comment by I am Batman (U22734)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 14 minutes ago
The issue for the past few months has always been is there actually a suitable replacement?
....
And that's the reality, there is no one out there that's assured to be anyway better than what is there now.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's the sort of attitude that leaves you stuck with Ole until he calls it a day. Just because there are no guarantees, doesn't mean you should stick with a certain failure.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Moyes
LVG
Mourinho
How's that strategy working?
Pay the redundancy, pay the agent and the sign on fee all for the same result.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes and we keep doing that until we find the right one
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Exactly.
I am not sure where the mindset of not trying again because you failed previously comes from. I have seen so many utd fans say this, I am actually worried.
posted on 27/10/21
https://twitter.com/paulpogba/status/1453284060223188992?t=tylDYFu7IM68jgVQpMYu6A&s=19
This is not going well.
posted on 27/10/21
Zidane
Unknown how he would do at United, did brilliantly at Real where he's a huge part of their history and knew the club well having been asistant to Ancelotti.
Conte
Very good manager but question marks over whether we have the squad for him to work well with and like LVG and Jose he's a nutter and maybe we've had enough of them.
Marcelo Gallardo
Huge risk taking someone from another continent who's never managed or even played in the PL and imagine how upset SE85 would be.
Erik Ten Hag
Isn't available yet.
Rodgers
Probably isn't available yet.
posted on 27/10/21
So, if Ole suddenly drops dead(god keep him)
We dont move on or just give the job to mckenna
posted on 27/10/21
Ronaldo. Don't forget he managed Portugal to winning the Euros.
posted on 27/10/21
comment by Martial Law (U13506)
posted 1 minute ago
So, if Ole suddenly drops dead(god keep him)
We dont move on or just give the job to mckenna
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We just don't replace him. As there's no guarantee the next guy would do a better job than Ole's corpse
posted on 27/10/21
Managers I want
Conte
Ten Haag
Rodgers
Pochettino
Managers I don’t want
Bruce
Southgate
Allegri
Any of our current coaching staff
Blanc
Managers I’m indifferent to
Zidane
^^^^ just in case I’m 6 months our new manager isn’t Conte and people say ‘you must be annoyed it’s not Conte.
posted on 27/10/21
*in 6 months
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