comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 5 seconds ago
eh?

did I compare the two? but yes you can completely compare them....i dont see the relevance of asking how good a manager was he before he became a manager?!

You literally asked what did Gerrard do as a manager before he was a manager...... the exact same as what Sir Alex Ferguson achieved



I can't be bothered trying to explain things to you but if you go back a few pages you might pick it up
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you literally asked what did gerrard do a manager before he became a manager.

Nobody asked how good a manager Ange was before he became a manager

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by GTB (U14017)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by NNH (U10730)
posted 44 seconds ago
Barkas
Boli
Ajeti

3 players who’ll be out the door. £14 million spent and be lucky if we make £6 million back in total.
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Put all into buying Jota and it will still be good business even with the loss incurred 👍
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you will do well to get a fee for either Boli or Barkad they will be on decent level of wages in comparison to the teams that will be looking to take them.

Hard to imagine you getting any more than half of what you paid for Ajeti
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To be fair you cannot criticise the fees celtic manage to get for their players.

Nearly £2m for Christie with months left on his deal. Money back on that guy that went to the MLS? etc etc

Celtic will somehow make a profit on those three if their recent dealings are anything to go by - they do some fantastic business

JFK said boards are stupid for not taking into account how managers do in their previous jobs before appointing them, as Villa wouldn't touch Gerrard because he'd won 1 trophy in 9

smid said what did Ange win in his previous job and the answer was the same as Gerrard 1 trophy in 3 seasons

difference is Ange has won/achieved a lot more in his managerial career than Gerrard so you can't compare the 2

Although we've conceded the fewest goals, it seems as if folk can see that we look vulnerable at times. Starfelt seems to split opinions, but he was becoming more settled before his injury. Welsh coming in appears to have upset the balance that we were starting to get between CCV and Starfelt. Rangers issue appears to be that they don't concede many chances, but teams are taking advantage of them when they get the opportunity. Think I saw a stat at the weekend and it was something like if the last 13 shots on target against rangers, they've conceded 8 goals?! No idea how accurate it was and can't remember the numbers exactly.

We're creating a lot of chances just now - but we need to be more clinical. Dropping points against the likes of Livi because they sit deep is damaging.

On Gerrard - I can see why AV would want him. He's still held in high regard down south - especially by the friends he has in the media. He carries a high profile, and the EPL isn't adverse to clubs taking a degree of risk with an appointment. I had no idea he had knocked back jobs down south - odd that's not came out before. His name would probably offset some of the more obvious concerns - 1 trophy in 9, etc - but he's done well in Europe until this season as well, that would help him out.

I think there's probably better options available to AV, and I don't know if he would go for it - especially if he's already knocked back other jobs.

comment by Hot Shot Hamish (U21959)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by GTB (U14017)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by NNH (U10730)
posted 44 seconds ago
Barkas
Boli
Ajeti

3 players who’ll be out the door. £14 million spent and be lucky if we make £6 million back in total.
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Put all into buying Jota and it will still be good business even with the loss incurred 👍
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you will do well to get a fee for either Boli or Barkad they will be on decent level of wages in comparison to the teams that will be looking to take them.

Hard to imagine you getting any more than half of what you paid for Ajeti
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To be fair you cannot criticise the fees celtic manage to get for their players.

Nearly £2m for Christie with months left on his deal. Money back on that guy that went to the MLS? etc etc

Celtic will somehow make a profit on those three if their recent dealings are anything to go by - they do some fantastic business
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I wasnt being critical infact the other day I posted how they d very well to get the amounts they do.

but were talking about 3 players the club are basically desperate to get rid off. three decent earners two of which have had their reputations demolished

comment by MaHeed'sNippin aka I’m the competent Wullie Collum (U3633)
posted 42 minutes ago
We lost a couple of goals in Hungary through our midfielders losing possession. So it’s not just our pash defending at crosses into the box
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This

comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 3 minutes ago
JFK said boards are stupid for not taking into account how managers do in their previous jobs before appointing them, as Villa wouldn't touch Gerrard because he'd won 1 trophy in 9

smid said what did Ange win in his previous job and the answer was the same as Gerrard 1 trophy in 3 seasons

difference is Ange has won/achieved a lot more in his managerial career than Gerrard so you can't compare the 2


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I just thought asking how what gerrard achieved as manager before he was manager was a dumb question.

You can totally compare the two of course you can, there i things you have to consider yes but can still totally compare the two.

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Hot Shot Hamish (U21959)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by GTB (U14017)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by NNH (U10730)
posted 44 seconds ago
Barkas
Boli
Ajeti

3 players who’ll be out the door. £14 million spent and be lucky if we make £6 million back in total.
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Put all into buying Jota and it will still be good business even with the loss incurred 👍
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you will do well to get a fee for either Boli or Barkad they will be on decent level of wages in comparison to the teams that will be looking to take them.

Hard to imagine you getting any more than half of what you paid for Ajeti
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To be fair you cannot criticise the fees celtic manage to get for their players.

Nearly £2m for Christie with months left on his deal. Money back on that guy that went to the MLS? etc etc

Celtic will somehow make a profit on those three if their recent dealings are anything to go by - they do some fantastic business
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I wasnt being critical infact the other day I posted how they d very well to get the amounts they do.

but were talking about 3 players the club are basically desperate to get rid off. three decent earners two of which have had their reputations demolished
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I was meaning 'you cant criticise' as a general term

Somehow celtic will get half decent money for these duds. In reality they wont get their money back but they do seem to get cracking deals done for not so cracking players.

comment by Hot Shot Hamish (U21959)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by GTB (U14017)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by NNH (U10730)
posted 44 seconds ago
Barkas
Boli
Ajeti

3 players who’ll be out the door. £14 million spent and be lucky if we make £6 million back in total.
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Put all into buying Jota and it will still be good business even with the loss incurred 👍
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you will do well to get a fee for either Boli or Barkad they will be on decent level of wages in comparison to the teams that will be looking to take them.

Hard to imagine you getting any more than half of what you paid for Ajeti
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To be fair you cannot criticise the fees celtic manage to get for their players.

Nearly £2m for Christie with months left on his deal. Money back on that guy that went to the MLS? etc etc

Celtic will somehow make a profit on those three if their recent dealings are anything to go by - they do some fantastic business
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Spot on Hamish but made the fatal mistake of trying to hold onto players who didn't want to be there. Are Rangers doing the same just now - maybe too early to tell but I hope so.

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 3 minutes ago
JFK said boards are stupid for not taking into account how managers do in their previous jobs before appointing them, as Villa wouldn't touch Gerrard because he'd won 1 trophy in 9

smid said what did Ange win in his previous job and the answer was the same as Gerrard 1 trophy in 3 seasons

difference is Ange has won/achieved a lot more in his managerial career than Gerrard so you can't compare the 2


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I just thought asking how what gerrard achieved as manager before he was manager was a dumb question.

You can totally compare the two of course you can, there i things you have to consider yes but can still totally compare the two.
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I also think you missed his point in the comparison.

He said that gerrard wont get the Villa role cos he hasnt realy achieved anything just one league title.

To which someone implied that well thats the same sort achivement that Celtic hired Ange on the back of...

At least I think anyway?

Celtic hiring ange off the back of j league success and doing a decent job with australia is not comparable with a pl side hiring gerrard off the back of a 1 in 9 succeds rate in one of the schittest leagues in the world.

comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 24 seconds ago
Celtic hiring ange off the back of j league success and doing a decent job with australia is not comparable with a pl side hiring gerrard off the back of a 1 in 9 succeds rate in one of the schittest leagues in the world.
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Correct - otherwise Lennon would have got the Barcelona job

comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 52 seconds ago
Celtic hiring ange off the back of j league success and doing a decent job with australia is not comparable with a pl side hiring gerrard off the back of a 1 in 9 succeds rate in one of the schittest leagues in the world.
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it is if your discussing how much was achieved.

J league i schitter than ours or at least in the UK its percieved that way .... No one thought Ange was moving down a level to manage in scotland.

In the UK Gerrards achievements in Scotland will be better respected than Ange's achievements in Japan IMO

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 3 minutes ago
JFK said boards are stupid for not taking into account how managers do in their previous jobs before appointing them, as Villa wouldn't touch Gerrard because he'd won 1 trophy in 9

smid said what did Ange win in his previous job and the answer was the same as Gerrard 1 trophy in 3 seasons

difference is Ange has won/achieved a lot more in his managerial career than Gerrard so you can't compare the 2


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I just thought asking how what gerrard achieved as manager before he was manager was a dumb question.

You can totally compare the two of course you can, there i things you have to consider yes but can still totally compare the two.
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I also think you missed his point in the comparison.

He said that gerrard wont get the Villa role cos he hasnt realy achieved anything just one league title.

To which someone implied that well thats the same sort achivement that Celtic hired Ange on the back of...

At least I think anyway?
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My point was that previous trophy records are irrelevant, as evidenced by the fact Celtic fans didn't seem to notice or care that Ange had the same record over 3 years as Gerrard.

It's an old firm thing because it's the world we live in. Any club looking at a Manager will look at their record over the piece. The story with Gerrard is he took a basketcase club that no Manager would touch which had finished 3rd in the SPFL 2 years in a row having spent years in the lower leagues and managed to turn them in to title winners on a lower budger than the club who had dominated for years prior to his arrival.

People won't care that he didn't win the Scottish League Cup ffs.

I would assume the players in the j league are more technically gifted than those in scotland

I'll give you a couple of other examples if you don't believe me.

Mourinho has won how much in his career? How many Champions Leagues and titles in how many countries? Yet if one of the big jobs came up tomorrow he wouldn't be in the reckoning because people will look at his last couple of years.

Same with Moyes who Celtic fans were pretty much in agreement they didn't want on the back of a couple of failed recent years despite doing a terrific job with Everton over 7.

Can't imagine any conversation taking place around Gerrard where someone says "yeah he might have won the league undefeated by 25 points recently but lads what did he do in his first 2 years?"

comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 1 minute ago
I would assume the players in the j league are more technically gifted than those in scotland
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maybe but thats just an ignorant guess based on just thinking our game isnt technical id argue the tactical side of our game creates less space for technical players to stand out as much.

Id still wager that most people in the UK or even europe will think the scottish league is of higher reputation and standard than Japan

comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted 2 minutes ago
I'll give you a couple of other examples if you don't believe me.

Mourinho has won how much in his career? How many Champions Leagues and titles in how many countries? Yet if one of the big jobs came up tomorrow he wouldn't be in the reckoning because people will look at his last couple of years.

Same with Moyes who Celtic fans were pretty much in agreement they didn't want on the back of a couple of failed recent years despite doing a terrific job with Everton over 7.

Can't imagine any conversation taking place around Gerrard where someone says "yeah he might have won the league undefeated by 25 points recently but lads what did he do in his first 2 years?"
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People are smart mate, they know it was a covid title.

I don't think it matters what the fans know of Ange recent record we were talking about boards appointing managers on the back of previous roles

Ange was obviously picked for the fact he done an outstanding job with Austrailia then done a decent job in Japan I don't see Villa appointing Gerrard on the back of 1 good season in Scotland

Can't imagine any conversation taking place around Gerrard where someone says "yeah he might have won the league undefeated by 25 points recently but lads what did he do in his first 2 years?"

and this was JFKs point

Yes, they should be

comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 1 second ago
I don't think it matters what the fans know of Ange recent record we were talking about boards appointing managers on the back of previous roles

Ange was obviously picked for the fact he done an outstanding job with Austrailia then done a decent job in Japan I don't see Villa appointing Gerrard on the back of 1 good season in Scotland


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Id argue he has had more than one good season. One succesful season in terms of honours) but he improved that gers team week on week until he got them into a position where they could win go undefeated in the league and get to to the latter stages in europe (and thats here the a lot of clubs will be looking at his job in europe)

if Gerrard backs it up this season, wins the league, maybe adds a cup and continues to do decent in Europe then yeah I can see a lower half team in the PL taking him into consideration

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 1 second ago
I don't think it matters what the fans know of Ange recent record we were talking about boards appointing managers on the back of previous roles

Ange was obviously picked for the fact he done an outstanding job with Austrailia then done a decent job in Japan I don't see Villa appointing Gerrard on the back of 1 good season in Scotland


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Id argue he has had more than one good season. One succesful season in terms of honours) but he improved that gers team week on week until he got them into a position where they could win go undefeated in the league and get to to the latter stages in europe (and thats here the a lot of clubs will be looking at his job in europe)
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Id argue that every season he has been at rangers he has been good

comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 53 seconds ago
I don't think it matters what the fans know of Ange recent record we were talking about boards appointing managers on the back of previous roles

Ange was obviously picked for the fact he done an outstanding job with Austrailia then done a decent job in Japan I don't see Villa appointing Gerrard on the back of 1 good season in Scotland
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Ghod do you think most Celtic fans would prefer Gerrard stays. Cant make my mind up - I probably do want him to go but more for the disruption it would cause in this massive season than any fear of his management ability.

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 1 second ago
I don't think it matters what the fans know of Ange recent record we were talking about boards appointing managers on the back of previous roles

Ange was obviously picked for the fact he done an outstanding job with Austrailia then done a decent job in Japan I don't see Villa appointing Gerrard on the back of 1 good season in Scotland


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Id argue he has had more than one good season. One succesful season in terms of honours) but he improved that gers team week on week until he got them into a position where they could win go undefeated in the league and get to to the latter stages in europe (and thats here the a lot of clubs will be looking at his job in europe)
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Id argue that every season he has been at rangers he has been good
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In fact has any manager in recent history for both old firm ever taken their team into europe after christmas 3 years in a row?