https://preview.redd.it/065wv79x01w51.jpg?auto=webp&s=d0782b181ae7c5cff9003857af6910ae5ebf8dd5
Make sure you keep a petrol generator in the boot for that added boost of electricity when needed.
There are going to be many issues to solve in the near future relating to the transition to electric vehicles. Infrastructure and charging being the main ones. I live in the city centre where it is all on street parking. How would these thousands of people charge their cars? How do we produce the electricity to meet the demand?
Our work has 6 electric charging points and 1 staff member with an EV so far. He parks in a different spot every time to mix it up a bit.
comment by Njazi Kuqi (U1734)
posted 6 minutes ago
There are going to be many issues to solve in the near future relating to the transition to electric vehicles. Infrastructure and charging being the main ones. I live in the city centre where it is all on street parking. How would these thousands of people charge their cars? How do we produce the electricity to meet the demand?
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Exactly, electricity doesn't grow on trees
comment by Rude Van Nist (U22799)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Njazi Kuqi (U1734)
posted 6 minutes ago
There are going to be many issues to solve in the near future relating to the transition to electric vehicles. Infrastructure and charging being the main ones. I live in the city centre where it is all on street parking. How would these thousands of people charge their cars? How do we produce the electricity to meet the demand?
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Exactly, electricity doesn't grow on trees
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By charging I meant in monetary terms. Tax etc. Once poor people can afford electric cars then it will all get a lot more expensive
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 10 minutes ago
What the hell is a self-repairing grill
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Dunno but I bet George formby has made a killing out of it
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George Formby..🤭
"He he it's turned out nice again"
The only ones worth going for are the Tesla. So many free Tesla parking bays where you leave the car there for an hour and it is fully charged. My bro in law has one and has never charged the car at home.
Only issue is that a Tesla will set you back £450 a month
I've just been quoted £233 for a 21 plate version, seems to be a top spec pro life performance version and it's just driven 4000 miles. Seems too good to be true but let's see.
comment by (K̇ash) I'm the Mané - Free Palestine 🇵🇸 (U1108)
posted 4 minutes ago
The only ones worth going for are the Tesla. So many free Tesla parking bays where you leave the car there for an hour and it is fully charged. My bro in law has one and has never charged the car at home.
Only issue is that a Tesla will set you back £450 a month
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So £1800 a year more than the OP was looking at for a different EV, hardly makes it the 'only one worth going for' if that is more than he'd spend charging a different model.
comment by Harry Ambrose (U11781)
posted 25 minutes ago
I've just been quoted £233 for a 21 plate version, seems to be a top spec pro life performance version and it's just driven 4000 miles. Seems too good to be true but let's see.
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Yeah but by pro life it probably means it has a load of other views that are a bit backwards. Don't want a backwards car, unless you plan on spending most of your time reversing.
comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by (K̇ash) I'm the Mané - Free Palestine 🇵🇸 (U1108)
posted 4 minutes ago
The only ones worth going for are the Tesla. So many free Tesla parking bays where you leave the car there for an hour and it is fully charged. My bro in law has one and has never charged the car at home.
Only issue is that a Tesla will set you back £450 a month
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So £1800 a year more than the OP was looking at for a different EV, hardly makes it the 'only one worth going for' if that is more than he'd spend charging a different model.
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Yep the VW/Audi electrics don't have the fast charge available and to charge fully at home you need it plugged in for over 12 hours which costs big time on the energy bills. They are still new to this unlike the Teslas.
I know someone who has the Merc EQ and he can't get a fully journey from Manchester to London out of it.
Was listening to an interesting debate the other night.
In a nutshell they were saying electric cars are not the carbon reducing, climate saving entity they are made out to be.
Basically said if you want a car with the lowest carbon footprint today, buy a 1990 model petrol or diesel. Any carbon footprint in production will have dissipated.
The manufacture of electric cars and batteries releases less carbon dioxide initially but what it does release becomes carbon dioxide later, or to that effect.
comment by Miyagi doh 😣 (U19849)
posted 16 minutes ago
Was listening to an interesting debate the other night.
In a nutshell they were saying electric cars are not the carbon reducing, climate saving entity they are made out to be.
Basically said if you want a car with the lowest carbon footprint today, buy a 1990 model petrol or diesel. Any carbon footprint in production will have dissipated.
The manufacture of electric cars and batteries releases less carbon dioxide initially but what it does release becomes carbon dioxide later, or to that effect.
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Got a link or anything?
comment by (K̇ash) I'm the Mané - Free Palestine 🇵🇸 (U1108)
posted 1 hour, 38 minutes ago
comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by (K̇ash) I'm the Mané - Free Palestine 🇵🇸 (U1108)
posted 4 minutes ago
The only ones worth going for are the Tesla. So many free Tesla parking bays where you leave the car there for an hour and it is fully charged. My bro in law has one and has never charged the car at home.
Only issue is that a Tesla will set you back £450 a month
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So £1800 a year more than the OP was looking at for a different EV, hardly makes it the 'only one worth going for' if that is more than he'd spend charging a different model.
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Yep the VW/Audi electrics don't have the fast charge available and to charge fully at home you need it plugged in for over 12 hours which costs big time on the energy bills. They are still new to this unlike the Teslas.
I know someone who has the Merc EQ and he can't get a fully journey from Manchester to London out of it.
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Fair enough, that sucks.
I’ve never looked into it deeper than to see the actual design of the cars tbh.
some OAP drove into my wifes car outside our house (54 VW Golf). The guy behind caught it all on dashcam and it was hilarious because they just drove into my parked car and it flipped theirs onto their roof, like something out of a movie. Said he didnt see my parked car old fecker!!
It wrote off the old Golf (still got £1700 for it, it was knackered had 150k miles and loads of issues), and the prospect of buying a second hand car filled me with dread especially as there is no good value out there at all and you dont really know what you are getting.
Anyhoo, decided to go electric as my wife does about 150-200 miles a week. Got the top Renault Zoe (small car) which does 230miles on a full charge and its costing £260 pcm. Off set against that i reckon my wife spends anywhere between £140 and £180 a week on fuel and there is no road tax (£20), so really having this brand new lease car is really costing us between £75-100 a month which is nothing, especially as there will be minimal service etc costs. Deal was 10k miles per year, 3 year deal, £1250 deposit.
Was delivered yesterday. Provided by Zen Autos and when i searched i did "in stock" and they had a bunch of these Zoes registered in December (71 plate) and it came within 3 weeks.
When the electricity prices drop a bit and they start offering fixed contracts again you can get "off peak" deals which cost about 7.5-10p/kwh, which would equate to a full charge for that car of about £4-5. £5 of petrol would probably go 30 miles in her old car. Currently my fuel is about 20p/kwh (£10 full charge) but thats going up to nearly 30p (££15 full charge).
It’s depends on a few factors really about your personal circumstances.
You need a charge point, you need to have a service plan of some kind in place, taking it down the local trusty garage isn’t going to happen for anything other than a tyre change.
So you need to factor in a service deal with the finance, in which case I’d say a lease deal is probably the best bet, as electric cars are going to get more efficient with batteries etc, so you new electric car now will soon be dated in just 2/3 years.
You could be looking at £500 min a month for a tiny car that would cost you £150 for a cheap petrol version
They are fun to drive 😆 I work for VW , buying private , extended warranty a must , travel long distance needs planning , not all power points work on arrival 😆 winter zaps power more , I expect you’ll be able to down load more range in the future @ a price , check out the ID Buzz amazing , a service is a pollin filter & screen wash 🧽
Just get one but be warned they are quick on sports mode
comment by Harry Ambrose (U11781)
posted 5 hours, 15 minutes ago
comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 51 seconds ago
well, electricity prices are also rising and the government will probably be pushing forward their plan to tax electic cars to cover the loss of tax on petrol? So for how long would it remain cheaper?
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My cousin is currently charging his electric VW Golf at £7 a charge and it lasts him about 4-5 days. I’d happily pay that right now compared to the shiiit fuel prices we are seeing.
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So he will be paying £14 every 4-5 days once the fuel cap increases in April…
You’re paying £80 a month in fuel so saving very little. I should add, the VW EVs aren’t great, the charge time and range make it non viable for a lot of people.
comment by dunc - johnny lawrence is my sensei (U11713)
posted 4 hours, 53 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 46 seconds ago
What the hell is a self-repairing grill
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exactly what says.. if you hit it with a stone.. it repairs itself... feck knows how but i saw someone stick a screwdriver in it and a little while later it wasnt there
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That's a screwdriver eating grill. Sheeeesh.
I just filled up at Scotch Corner services. £1.96 a litre. Will be spending the weekend researching electric vehicles 😩
comment by Miyagi doh 😣 (U19849)
posted 3 hours, 12 minutes ago
Was listening to an interesting debate the other night.
In a nutshell they were saying electric cars are not the carbon reducing, climate saving entity they are made out to be.
Basically said if you want a car with the lowest carbon footprint today, buy a 1990 model petrol or diesel. Any carbon footprint in production will have dissipated.
The manufacture of electric cars and batteries releases less carbon dioxide initially but what it does release becomes carbon dioxide later, or to that effect.
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Not accurate
Over their respective lifetimes electric cars emit less greenhouse gases compared to Iinternal combustion
comment by Luke Combs (U3979)
posted 5 hours, 32 minutes ago
comment by Rude Van Nist (U22799)
posted 11 seconds ago
You cant be against global warming and own a car nowadays, we all know the damage it does.
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You're contributing to global warming doing about 99% of the things that you do including using JA606.
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Dumbest response ever
comment by TBag. (U11806)
posted 3 hours, 24 minutes ago
comment by Miyagi doh 😣 (U19849)
posted 16 minutes ago
Was listening to an interesting debate the other night.
In a nutshell they were saying electric cars are not the carbon reducing, climate saving entity they are made out to be.
Basically said if you want a car with the lowest carbon footprint today, buy a 1990 model petrol or diesel. Any carbon footprint in production will have dissipated.
The manufacture of electric cars and batteries releases less carbon dioxide initially but what it does release becomes carbon dioxide later, or to that effect.
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Got a link or anything?
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Id like to see the link because im pretty sure he, or the author have misconstrued the science.
It *IS* better for the environment to have a second hand car, due to the production costs in terms of carbon,
But its also true that over their lifetimes EVs emit a LOT LOT less carbon, they also require less repairs, and its looking like (Based on real world battery data) they might well last a couple years longer too.
Its also therefore true that *if* you can afford to buy an EV, thats better than someone else buying a *new* ICU car, which is of course going to be the case, somewhere down the line if there arent enough second hand cars on the market.
people like Arab that change their cars every two years are *Terrible* for the environment, but its better that hes doing it with EVs than ICUs
comment by Martial Law (U13506)
posted 2 hours, 54 minutes ago
comment by Miyagi doh 😣 (U19849)
posted 3 hours, 12 minutes ago
Was listening to an interesting debate the other night.
In a nutshell they were saying electric cars are not the carbon reducing, climate saving entity they are made out to be.
Basically said if you want a car with the lowest carbon footprint today, buy a 1990 model petrol or diesel. Any carbon footprint in production will have dissipated.
The manufacture of electric cars and batteries releases less carbon dioxide initially but what it does release becomes carbon dioxide later, or to that effect.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not accurate
Over their respective lifetimes electric cars emit less greenhouse gases compared to Iinternal combustion
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Whether that is true or not (and I don’t think we really have the real world data on the first generation of EVs yet), the wider point is that nowadays we retire most cars far, far sooner than they need to be retired.
50% of the lifetime carbon footprint of your average car is wracked up before it leaves the forecourt.
We need to be doing all we can to run the cars we’ve already produced into the ground, which means looking after them as well as we can do and repairing rather than trading them in for scrap years before their time.
I shall be getting an electric mini later this year. Be careful though with costs. Of course it’s waaaaay cheaper to have an electric car now (post purchase price) but eventually the government will be coming for their petrol tax money somehow and here in Oz they’re talking about doing a per-mile tax on electric cars so I assume they’ll do that in England in the next 5 years.
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posted on 17/3/22
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Make sure you keep a petrol generator in the boot for that added boost of electricity when needed.
posted on 17/3/22
There are going to be many issues to solve in the near future relating to the transition to electric vehicles. Infrastructure and charging being the main ones. I live in the city centre where it is all on street parking. How would these thousands of people charge their cars? How do we produce the electricity to meet the demand?
posted on 17/3/22
Our work has 6 electric charging points and 1 staff member with an EV so far. He parks in a different spot every time to mix it up a bit.
posted on 17/3/22
comment by Njazi Kuqi (U1734)
posted 6 minutes ago
There are going to be many issues to solve in the near future relating to the transition to electric vehicles. Infrastructure and charging being the main ones. I live in the city centre where it is all on street parking. How would these thousands of people charge their cars? How do we produce the electricity to meet the demand?
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Exactly, electricity doesn't grow on trees
posted on 17/3/22
comment by Rude Van Nist (U22799)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Njazi Kuqi (U1734)
posted 6 minutes ago
There are going to be many issues to solve in the near future relating to the transition to electric vehicles. Infrastructure and charging being the main ones. I live in the city centre where it is all on street parking. How would these thousands of people charge their cars? How do we produce the electricity to meet the demand?
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Exactly, electricity doesn't grow on trees
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By charging I meant in monetary terms. Tax etc. Once poor people can afford electric cars then it will all get a lot more expensive
posted on 17/3/22
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 10 minutes ago
What the hell is a self-repairing grill
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Dunno but I bet George formby has made a killing out of it
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George Formby..🤭
"He he it's turned out nice again"
posted on 17/3/22
The only ones worth going for are the Tesla. So many free Tesla parking bays where you leave the car there for an hour and it is fully charged. My bro in law has one and has never charged the car at home.
Only issue is that a Tesla will set you back £450 a month
posted on 17/3/22
I've just been quoted £233 for a 21 plate version, seems to be a top spec pro life performance version and it's just driven 4000 miles. Seems too good to be true but let's see.
posted on 17/3/22
comment by (K̇ash) I'm the Mané - Free Palestine 🇵🇸 (U1108)
posted 4 minutes ago
The only ones worth going for are the Tesla. So many free Tesla parking bays where you leave the car there for an hour and it is fully charged. My bro in law has one and has never charged the car at home.
Only issue is that a Tesla will set you back £450 a month
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So £1800 a year more than the OP was looking at for a different EV, hardly makes it the 'only one worth going for' if that is more than he'd spend charging a different model.
posted on 17/3/22
comment by Harry Ambrose (U11781)
posted 25 minutes ago
I've just been quoted £233 for a 21 plate version, seems to be a top spec pro life performance version and it's just driven 4000 miles. Seems too good to be true but let's see.
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Yeah but by pro life it probably means it has a load of other views that are a bit backwards. Don't want a backwards car, unless you plan on spending most of your time reversing.
posted on 17/3/22
comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by (K̇ash) I'm the Mané - Free Palestine 🇵🇸 (U1108)
posted 4 minutes ago
The only ones worth going for are the Tesla. So many free Tesla parking bays where you leave the car there for an hour and it is fully charged. My bro in law has one and has never charged the car at home.
Only issue is that a Tesla will set you back £450 a month
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So £1800 a year more than the OP was looking at for a different EV, hardly makes it the 'only one worth going for' if that is more than he'd spend charging a different model.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yep the VW/Audi electrics don't have the fast charge available and to charge fully at home you need it plugged in for over 12 hours which costs big time on the energy bills. They are still new to this unlike the Teslas.
I know someone who has the Merc EQ and he can't get a fully journey from Manchester to London out of it.
posted on 17/3/22
Was listening to an interesting debate the other night.
In a nutshell they were saying electric cars are not the carbon reducing, climate saving entity they are made out to be.
Basically said if you want a car with the lowest carbon footprint today, buy a 1990 model petrol or diesel. Any carbon footprint in production will have dissipated.
The manufacture of electric cars and batteries releases less carbon dioxide initially but what it does release becomes carbon dioxide later, or to that effect.
posted on 17/3/22
comment by Miyagi doh 😣 (U19849)
posted 16 minutes ago
Was listening to an interesting debate the other night.
In a nutshell they were saying electric cars are not the carbon reducing, climate saving entity they are made out to be.
Basically said if you want a car with the lowest carbon footprint today, buy a 1990 model petrol or diesel. Any carbon footprint in production will have dissipated.
The manufacture of electric cars and batteries releases less carbon dioxide initially but what it does release becomes carbon dioxide later, or to that effect.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Got a link or anything?
posted on 17/3/22
comment by (K̇ash) I'm the Mané - Free Palestine 🇵🇸 (U1108)
posted 1 hour, 38 minutes ago
comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by (K̇ash) I'm the Mané - Free Palestine 🇵🇸 (U1108)
posted 4 minutes ago
The only ones worth going for are the Tesla. So many free Tesla parking bays where you leave the car there for an hour and it is fully charged. My bro in law has one and has never charged the car at home.
Only issue is that a Tesla will set you back £450 a month
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So £1800 a year more than the OP was looking at for a different EV, hardly makes it the 'only one worth going for' if that is more than he'd spend charging a different model.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yep the VW/Audi electrics don't have the fast charge available and to charge fully at home you need it plugged in for over 12 hours which costs big time on the energy bills. They are still new to this unlike the Teslas.
I know someone who has the Merc EQ and he can't get a fully journey from Manchester to London out of it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Fair enough, that sucks.
I’ve never looked into it deeper than to see the actual design of the cars tbh.
posted on 17/3/22
some OAP drove into my wifes car outside our house (54 VW Golf). The guy behind caught it all on dashcam and it was hilarious because they just drove into my parked car and it flipped theirs onto their roof, like something out of a movie. Said he didnt see my parked car old fecker!!
It wrote off the old Golf (still got £1700 for it, it was knackered had 150k miles and loads of issues), and the prospect of buying a second hand car filled me with dread especially as there is no good value out there at all and you dont really know what you are getting.
Anyhoo, decided to go electric as my wife does about 150-200 miles a week. Got the top Renault Zoe (small car) which does 230miles on a full charge and its costing £260 pcm. Off set against that i reckon my wife spends anywhere between £140 and £180 a week on fuel and there is no road tax (£20), so really having this brand new lease car is really costing us between £75-100 a month which is nothing, especially as there will be minimal service etc costs. Deal was 10k miles per year, 3 year deal, £1250 deposit.
Was delivered yesterday. Provided by Zen Autos and when i searched i did "in stock" and they had a bunch of these Zoes registered in December (71 plate) and it came within 3 weeks.
When the electricity prices drop a bit and they start offering fixed contracts again you can get "off peak" deals which cost about 7.5-10p/kwh, which would equate to a full charge for that car of about £4-5. £5 of petrol would probably go 30 miles in her old car. Currently my fuel is about 20p/kwh (£10 full charge) but thats going up to nearly 30p (££15 full charge).
posted on 17/3/22
It’s depends on a few factors really about your personal circumstances.
You need a charge point, you need to have a service plan of some kind in place, taking it down the local trusty garage isn’t going to happen for anything other than a tyre change.
So you need to factor in a service deal with the finance, in which case I’d say a lease deal is probably the best bet, as electric cars are going to get more efficient with batteries etc, so you new electric car now will soon be dated in just 2/3 years.
You could be looking at £500 min a month for a tiny car that would cost you £150 for a cheap petrol version
posted on 17/3/22
They are fun to drive 😆 I work for VW , buying private , extended warranty a must , travel long distance needs planning , not all power points work on arrival 😆 winter zaps power more , I expect you’ll be able to down load more range in the future @ a price , check out the ID Buzz amazing , a service is a pollin filter & screen wash 🧽
Just get one but be warned they are quick on sports mode
posted on 17/3/22
comment by Harry Ambrose (U11781)
posted 5 hours, 15 minutes ago
comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 51 seconds ago
well, electricity prices are also rising and the government will probably be pushing forward their plan to tax electic cars to cover the loss of tax on petrol? So for how long would it remain cheaper?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
My cousin is currently charging his electric VW Golf at £7 a charge and it lasts him about 4-5 days. I’d happily pay that right now compared to the shiiit fuel prices we are seeing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So he will be paying £14 every 4-5 days once the fuel cap increases in April…
You’re paying £80 a month in fuel so saving very little. I should add, the VW EVs aren’t great, the charge time and range make it non viable for a lot of people.
posted on 17/3/22
comment by dunc - johnny lawrence is my sensei (U11713)
posted 4 hours, 53 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 46 seconds ago
What the hell is a self-repairing grill
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exactly what says.. if you hit it with a stone.. it repairs itself... feck knows how but i saw someone stick a screwdriver in it and a little while later it wasnt there
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's a screwdriver eating grill. Sheeeesh.
posted on 17/3/22
I just filled up at Scotch Corner services. £1.96 a litre. Will be spending the weekend researching electric vehicles 😩
posted on 17/3/22
comment by Miyagi doh 😣 (U19849)
posted 3 hours, 12 minutes ago
Was listening to an interesting debate the other night.
In a nutshell they were saying electric cars are not the carbon reducing, climate saving entity they are made out to be.
Basically said if you want a car with the lowest carbon footprint today, buy a 1990 model petrol or diesel. Any carbon footprint in production will have dissipated.
The manufacture of electric cars and batteries releases less carbon dioxide initially but what it does release becomes carbon dioxide later, or to that effect.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not accurate
Over their respective lifetimes electric cars emit less greenhouse gases compared to Iinternal combustion
posted on 17/3/22
comment by Luke Combs (U3979)
posted 5 hours, 32 minutes ago
comment by Rude Van Nist (U22799)
posted 11 seconds ago
You cant be against global warming and own a car nowadays, we all know the damage it does.
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You're contributing to global warming doing about 99% of the things that you do including using JA606.
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Dumbest response ever
posted on 17/3/22
comment by TBag. (U11806)
posted 3 hours, 24 minutes ago
comment by Miyagi doh 😣 (U19849)
posted 16 minutes ago
Was listening to an interesting debate the other night.
In a nutshell they were saying electric cars are not the carbon reducing, climate saving entity they are made out to be.
Basically said if you want a car with the lowest carbon footprint today, buy a 1990 model petrol or diesel. Any carbon footprint in production will have dissipated.
The manufacture of electric cars and batteries releases less carbon dioxide initially but what it does release becomes carbon dioxide later, or to that effect.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Got a link or anything?
------------------------------------------------------------------
Id like to see the link because im pretty sure he, or the author have misconstrued the science.
It *IS* better for the environment to have a second hand car, due to the production costs in terms of carbon,
But its also true that over their lifetimes EVs emit a LOT LOT less carbon, they also require less repairs, and its looking like (Based on real world battery data) they might well last a couple years longer too.
Its also therefore true that *if* you can afford to buy an EV, thats better than someone else buying a *new* ICU car, which is of course going to be the case, somewhere down the line if there arent enough second hand cars on the market.
people like Arab that change their cars every two years are *Terrible* for the environment, but its better that hes doing it with EVs than ICUs
posted on 17/3/22
comment by Martial Law (U13506)
posted 2 hours, 54 minutes ago
comment by Miyagi doh 😣 (U19849)
posted 3 hours, 12 minutes ago
Was listening to an interesting debate the other night.
In a nutshell they were saying electric cars are not the carbon reducing, climate saving entity they are made out to be.
Basically said if you want a car with the lowest carbon footprint today, buy a 1990 model petrol or diesel. Any carbon footprint in production will have dissipated.
The manufacture of electric cars and batteries releases less carbon dioxide initially but what it does release becomes carbon dioxide later, or to that effect.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not accurate
Over their respective lifetimes electric cars emit less greenhouse gases compared to Iinternal combustion
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Whether that is true or not (and I don’t think we really have the real world data on the first generation of EVs yet), the wider point is that nowadays we retire most cars far, far sooner than they need to be retired.
50% of the lifetime carbon footprint of your average car is wracked up before it leaves the forecourt.
We need to be doing all we can to run the cars we’ve already produced into the ground, which means looking after them as well as we can do and repairing rather than trading them in for scrap years before their time.
posted on 17/3/22
I shall be getting an electric mini later this year. Be careful though with costs. Of course it’s waaaaay cheaper to have an electric car now (post purchase price) but eventually the government will be coming for their petrol tax money somehow and here in Oz they’re talking about doing a per-mile tax on electric cars so I assume they’ll do that in England in the next 5 years.
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