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comment by BelfastSpur (U15068)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by LemonKnee (U22854)
posted 5 minutes ago
Spurs fans are obsessed with fantasising about signings.
It's quite funny.
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comment by Ace (U22861)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by KingKenny (U1961)
posted 6 minutes ago
The obvious issue you have is you need the signings you do make to work out. Richarlison isn't too big an issue as he's essentially cover and I'd be surprised if bissouma isn't at least quite good. But whoever you get in for defence will have to be good or its another season of struggling to get ahead.
We've managed what we have because near enough every signing was spot on. We are now at a point where we can get away with a signing being less than perfect (keita for example) but at the stage you are now at we needed the level of success we had. If you manage that will define whether you go on to compete in 2/3 years.
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I actually think that Liverpool are at a stage where they can’t get away with misses in the market. They are entering a rebuilding phase, with Mane off, Firminho nearly done and Salah in the last year of his deal. The output of that front 3 has taken Liverpool to heights over the last 3 years, but there’s no guarantee that replacements will have them at the same level.
Jota has been a good signing, but that’s been enabled by slotting into an already strong set up. Without peak Salah & Mane around him, will he be as good? And generally speaking, will a front 3 of Diaz, Nunez and Jota be effective enough to keep them competing with city? It’ll certainly be different as Nunez will be more of a focal point than any of his predecessors. You then have other players who have been key for the last few years reaching 30. Succession planning is vital in football, Ferguson and Wenger successfully rebuilt title winning sides, Klopp is now entering that point where his first great side is phasing out and he needs to ensure the right signings are made to keep momentum.
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But surely the point is that we've already replaced the front line with 2/3 of it still in place. If one doesn't work out now we can get 1 more next summer and still be alright.
Think you are harsh on Jota there (though many of our own fans are too). He absolutely carried us last year at times and got us through the AFCON too. Plus did more in his 30 minutes in the CL final than the starting 3 combined.
comment by โBilly The Spurโ 20*21*22* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 3 hours, 39 minutes ago
Overhauling City will be difficult, but if Levy gives Conte the squad he wants, then overtaking Varpool and Chelsea is possible.
I don`t see Varpool as too far ahead at all, they failed to beat any of the top 4 last season and had massive help from the referees to avoid defeat in all 6 of those games.
If the officials do their jobs properly for once, and don`t bottle key decisions against Varpool at key moments in games, then everybody will be in the chasing pack trying to finish above City.
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comment by KingKenny (U1961)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Ace (U22861)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by KingKenny (U1961)
posted 6 minutes ago
The obvious issue you have is you need the signings you do make to work out. Richarlison isn't too big an issue as he's essentially cover and I'd be surprised if bissouma isn't at least quite good. But whoever you get in for defence will have to be good or its another season of struggling to get ahead.
We've managed what we have because near enough every signing was spot on. We are now at a point where we can get away with a signing being less than perfect (keita for example) but at the stage you are now at we needed the level of success we had. If you manage that will define whether you go on to compete in 2/3 years.
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I actually think that Liverpool are at a stage where they can’t get away with misses in the market. They are entering a rebuilding phase, with Mane off, Firminho nearly done and Salah in the last year of his deal. The output of that front 3 has taken Liverpool to heights over the last 3 years, but there’s no guarantee that replacements will have them at the same level.
Jota has been a good signing, but that’s been enabled by slotting into an already strong set up. Without peak Salah & Mane around him, will he be as good? And generally speaking, will a front 3 of Diaz, Nunez and Jota be effective enough to keep them competing with city? It’ll certainly be different as Nunez will be more of a focal point than any of his predecessors. You then have other players who have been key for the last few years reaching 30. Succession planning is vital in football, Ferguson and Wenger successfully rebuilt title winning sides, Klopp is now entering that point where his first great side is phasing out and he needs to ensure the right signings are made to keep momentum.
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But surely the point is that we've already replaced the front line with 2/3 of it still in place. If one doesn't work out now we can get 1 more next summer and still be alright.
Think you are harsh on Jota there (though many of our own fans are too). He absolutely carried us last year at times and got us through the AFCON too. Plus did more in his 30 minutes in the CL final than the starting 3 combined.
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Thought Jota made some vital contributions to you last season.
It was only the season before last where VVD was injured and Liverpool finished 4th. United led by OGS were able to finish second and make the Europa final.
Injuries to VVD, De Bruyne and Haaland, could leave us in a great position
I think Levy, Paratici and Conte all smell a chance and are going for it
comment by Dr Tobias Fünke (U1217)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by โBilly The Spurโ 20*21*22* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 3 hours, 39 minutes ago
Overhauling City will be difficult, but if Levy gives Conte the squad he wants, then overtaking Varpool and Chelsea is possible.
I don`t see Varpool as too far ahead at all, they failed to beat any of the top 4 last season and had massive help from the referees to avoid defeat in all 6 of those games.
If the officials do their jobs properly for once, and don`t bottle key decisions against Varpool at key moments in games, then everybody will be in the chasing pack trying to finish above City.
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comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - Arsenal shat it on 16/01/22 - Todger (U18109)
posted 27 minutes ago
It was only the season before last where VVD was injured and Liverpool finished 4th. United led by OGS were able to finish second and make the Europa final.
Injuries to VVD, De Bruyne and Haaland, could leave us in a great position
I think Levy, Paratici and Conte all smell a chance and are going for it
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Third. Remarkable achievement with no central defence.
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - Arsenal shat it on 16/01/22 - Todger (U18109)
posted 39 minutes ago
It was only the season before last where VVD was injured and Liverpool finished 4th. United led by OGS were able to finish second and make the Europa final.
Injuries to VVD, De Bruyne and Haaland, could leave us in a great position
I think Levy, Paratici and Conte all smell a chance and are going for it
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Hmm our injuries were extreme that year and we've strengthened to the point I don't think it could happen again.
City are hardly poor I'd KDB and Haaland are out.
But I suppose it's plausible that we both drop down to a normal winning the league standard (mid 80s) so you could be close. Still don't see any way you win the league next year and you should definitely be thinking long term building here. If you are within a couple of points in 3 years time then I'd say you've done well.
Realistically you'd think top 4 and a chance at a cup.
No chance if a title with that squad unless a the Russians bomb Liverpool, Chelsea and city.
comment by Dr Tobias Fünke (U1217)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
comment by โBilly The Spurโ 20*21*22* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 3 hours, 39 minutes ago
Overhauling City will be difficult, but if Levy gives Conte the squad he wants, then overtaking Varpool and Chelsea is possible.
I don`t see Varpool as too far ahead at all, they failed to beat any of the top 4 last season and had massive help from the referees to avoid defeat in all 6 of those games.
If the officials do their jobs properly for once, and don`t bottle key decisions against Varpool at key moments in games, then everybody will be in the chasing pack trying to finish above City.
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Yeah overhauling Liverpool will be easy according to Billy cos they didn't beat any if the top 4.....ignoring the fact they lost 2 games in the season and lost their 2 star forwards to AFCON ๐
Liverpool are 9th on net spend and have spent less than spurs, Everton, newcastle etc and we're 1 point away from city. End of the season I can't speak of any club that benefited more from VAR than spurs tbh. Maybe city's penalty against Everton that never was, which VAR publicly said they got wrong, was the only thing that stuck out more.
Spurs have a Brighton mf, rumours of an Everton striker for silly $, targeting a rb that cannot cross at all and got a oap on a free. I think spurs need to manage their expectations a bit cos otherwise it'll be like when united finished 2nd, and thought they'd challenge, despite everyone knowing they wouldn't.
Liverpool and Chelsea still have $ to burn from new owners or prize money/sales. They won't just sit still so teams can catch up ๐
city and liverpool are a bit ahead of the rest, no doubt. think we can catch pool though.. they have peaked... now the squad will slowly start to change, as we have already seen with Mane... none of their replacements are likely to be immediately as good.
i doubt they will get so far in everythnig next season as they did this.
city however, are probably about to peak with the signing of haaland.
Far too early to say we've peaked.
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 25 minutes ago
Realistically you'd think top 4 and a chance at a cup.
No chance if a title with that squad unless a the Russians bomb Liverpool, Chelsea and city.
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I don't know why wou included Chelsea in that. Say we have a very good chance of finishing above them
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 25 minutes ago
Realistically you'd think top 4 and a chance at a cup.
No chance if a title with that squad unless a the Russians bomb Liverpool, Chelsea and city.
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I don't know why wou included Chelsea in that. Say we have a very good chance of finishing above them
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Yeah Spurs for third this season I think.
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Dr Tobias Fünke (U1217)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
comment by โBilly The Spurโ 20*21*22* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 3 hours, 39 minutes ago
Overhauling City will be difficult, but if Levy gives Conte the squad he wants, then overtaking Varpool and Chelsea is possible.
I don`t see Varpool as too far ahead at all, they failed to beat any of the top 4 last season and had massive help from the referees to avoid defeat in all 6 of those games.
If the officials do their jobs properly for once, and don`t bottle key decisions against Varpool at key moments in games, then everybody will be in the chasing pack trying to finish above City.
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Yeah overhauling Liverpool will be easy according to Billy cos they didn't beat any if the top 4.....ignoring the fact they lost 2 games in the season and lost their 2 star forwards to AFCON ๐
Liverpool are 9th on net spend and have spent less than spurs, Everton, newcastle etc and we're 1 point away from city. End of the season I can't speak of any club that benefited more from VAR than spurs tbh. Maybe city's penalty against Everton that never was, which VAR publicly said they got wrong, was the only thing that stuck out more.
Spurs have a Brighton mf, rumours of an Everton striker for silly $, targeting a rb that cannot cross at all and got a oap on a free. I think spurs need to manage their expectations a bit cos otherwise it'll be like when united finished 2nd, and thought they'd challenge, despite everyone knowing they wouldn't.
Liverpool and Chelsea still have $ to burn from new owners or prize money/sales. They won't just sit still so teams can catch up ๐
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It’s all opinions isn’t it
Sounds like Billy rattled you though as some of what you are saying is complete rubbish and you are reacting
So we are getting a midfielder from Brighton ….if I remember rightly two of your best players are from Southampton ….what does it matter where players come from ? All players need to start somewhere
For the record Bissouma is an excellent player
I also think Richarlson is a very good player who has the potential to go up a level in a better team ….much like Jota did
Oap ? Perisic I presume,…..yeah he isn’t young anymore but I remember Liverpool fans raving about Milner when you signed him ….all clubs need these type of players as they teach the youngsters and by all accounts Perisic is in top condition
A right back that can’t cross? Doherty had great delivery thanks but if you meant Spence I can’t comment as never seen him play and I imagine you don’t watch forest regularly
For the record I don’t think we are challenging yet but it’s becoming a bit annoying listening to Liverpool fans tell everyone what their clubs should and shouldn’t do like you have been winning titles for years
Now queue the Liverpool sharks to all take a bite
comment by Chronic - THFC North London's finest (U3423)
posted 7 minutes ago
city and liverpool are a bit ahead of the rest, no doubt. think we can catch pool though.. they have peaked... now the squad will slowly start to change, as we have already seen with Mane... none of their replacements are likely to be immediately as good.
i doubt they will get so far in everythnig next season as they did this.
city however, are probably about to peak with the signing of haaland.
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Klopp has spent a third or a quarter of what pep does net a season and over the last few seasons I think it's like 1 point that separates them. Look at Liverpool defence. It's way stronger than spurs...not even close and that's with Conte having a back 7 when spurs defend.
There was no title race at Xmas and Liverpool lost mane and salad and lost 2 games all season. They have already signed players and will def sign more with all the $ they have coming in.
Haaland is immense but always injured. City don't even need a striker to win the league but adjusting to them having one may take a few games.
Spurs could catch city and Liverpool. I just think the lb from inter and a forest rb aren't gonna do it ๐ bisoumma is a good deal at 30m but Richardson. ...come on. Be serious. We are talking titles and CLs here. Liverpool have 5-6 exceptional young talents coming too. Kid from Derby. Two Fulham lads. Scottish rb. Kelleher already won his team a trophy.
I get spurs and the rest have been miles behind and are making progress but going from building an 11 and counter attacking to a strong squad and dominating teams, spurs are way off that. I'd love for them just to over take Chelsea but I just can't see it. I don't think it's reasonable tbh. The top 3 will spend at least as much as spurs and don't need to pad their squad out.
Kane, son, lloris, pirisic will also need replacing soon too so I'd actually argue Liverpool have rebuilt their next team.more than spurs have as things stand.
It takes time to catch city. Pep spends 100m net a year. For the teams run as actual normal.football clubs u can't make a mistake in the transfer market and have to hope they have problems. It's usually wishful thinking
I really doubt we'll sign both Richarlison and Raphinha. One of them will do with Lucas sticking around
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 25 minutes ago
Realistically you'd think top 4 and a chance at a cup.
No chance if a title with that squad unless a the Russians bomb Liverpool, Chelsea and city.
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I don't know why wou included Chelsea in that. Say we have a very good chance of finishing above them
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Cos they have a squad way better than spurs in terms of depth. Better youth set up and a new owner who bought the club on the condition he spent x amount. I'd guarantee that'd be more than spurs spend. The top 3 aren't going to just not buy cos spurs are spending. Spurs have a big net spend in recent years, way more than Liverpool, and wasted it mainly. Now they are buying better it will only motivate Chelsea and Liverpool to spend also.
Chelsea had turmoil last year more than any teams ever had. I think tuchel massively under achieved tbh. He won't have an excuse this year. I'd love spurs to very ale them just don't think it's reasonable looking at the squads, and who spurs have signed/linked with.
There's talk of dembele going there and kounde. If dembele can play 30 games for them, them two signings alone are way better than anything spurs can get. Harsh but reality. They will also add more.
Kounde is broken. Dembele is permanently broken. I'm sure Chelsea will improve but we're closing the gap for sure. Plus they've got Lukaka hanging around their neck
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comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Dr Tobias Fünke (U1217)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
comment by โBilly The Spurโ 20*21*22* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 3 hours, 39 minutes ago
Overhauling City will be difficult, but if Levy gives Conte the squad he wants, then overtaking Varpool and Chelsea is possible.
I don`t see Varpool as too far ahead at all, they failed to beat any of the top 4 last season and had massive help from the referees to avoid defeat in all 6 of those games.
If the officials do their jobs properly for once, and don`t bottle key decisions against Varpool at key moments in games, then everybody will be in the chasing pack trying to finish above City.
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Yeah overhauling Liverpool will be easy according to Billy cos they didn't beat any if the top 4.....ignoring the fact they lost 2 games in the season and lost their 2 star forwards to AFCON ๐
Liverpool are 9th on net spend and have spent less than spurs, Everton, newcastle etc and we're 1 point away from city. End of the season I can't speak of any club that benefited more from VAR than spurs tbh. Maybe city's penalty against Everton that never was, which VAR publicly said they got wrong, was the only thing that stuck out more.
Spurs have a Brighton mf, rumours of an Everton striker for silly $, targeting a rb that cannot cross at all and got a oap on a free. I think spurs need to manage their expectations a bit cos otherwise it'll be like when united finished 2nd, and thought they'd challenge, despite everyone knowing they wouldn't.
Liverpool and Chelsea still have $ to burn from new owners or prize money/sales. They won't just sit still so teams can catch up ๐
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It’s all opinions isn’t it
Sounds like Billy rattled you though as some of what you are saying is complete rubbish and you are reacting
So we are getting a midfielder from Brighton ….if I remember rightly two of your best players are from Southampton ….what does it matter where players come from ? All players need to start somewhere
For the record Bissouma is an excellent player
I also think Richarlson is a very good player who has the potential to go up a level in a better team ….much like Jota did
Oap ? Perisic I presume,…..yeah he isn’t young anymore but I remember Liverpool fans raving about Milner when you signed him ….all clubs need these type of players as they teach the youngsters and by all accounts Perisic is in top condition
A right back that can’t cross? Doherty had great delivery thanks but if you meant Spence I can’t comment as never seen him play and I imagine you don’t watch forest regularly
For the record I don’t think we are challenging yet but it’s becoming a bit annoying listening to Liverpool fans tell everyone what their clubs should and shouldn’t do like you have been winning titles for years
Now queue the Liverpool sharks to all take a bite
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I like spurs as much as Liverpool ๐๐๐
I'm just a realist. Opinions sure but the idea that some fans think pool will drop off suddenly when spurs have an aging side too just makes me chuckle. They lost like 3-4 games playing over 60!
Spence I've seen plenty of too but crossing is 100% not his strength at all. It's a huge weak area. Obv if you've not seem anything of him I understand that makes it hard for u to think I could have.
Padding a squad out is essential when uve 150m I get that, I just think fans saying they will get near the top is kinda mental. They will do better but 3rd and a cup should be the target. Even that will be very difficult.
There is so much work to do to the spurs team 150m and one window.won't fix it. Problem is how many more seasons do Kane and Son have?
Why wasn't this started years ago? That's the question I'd be asking.
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 2 minutes ago
Kounde is broken. Dembele is permanently broken. I'm sure Chelsea will improve but we're closing the gap for sure. Plus they've got Lukaka hanging around their neck
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He is a huge problem 100% but they have 0 debt now though so can spend crazy $
Spurs and Liverpool cannot do that. If dembele plays just half a season like he finished for barca they have 1 of the leagues best players easily. The teams above spurs can have way more injuries with little drop off. For spurs he drop off in a few areas is pretty drastic.
Winks, dier, sanchez, moura, Doherty, Davies, royal, bergwin etc are all pretty poor or badly utilised. Even conte can't polish turds or work miracles in 1 window
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 25 minutes ago
Realistically you'd think top 4 and a chance at a cup.
No chance if a title with that squad unless a the Russians bomb Liverpool, Chelsea and city.
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I don't know why wou included Chelsea in that. Say we have a very good chance of finishing above them
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Cos they have a squad way better than spurs in terms of depth. Better youth set up and a new owner who bought the club on the condition he spent x amount. I'd guarantee that'd be more than spurs spend. The top 3 aren't going to just not buy cos spurs are spending. Spurs have a big net spend in recent years, way more than Liverpool, and wasted it mainly. Now they are buying better it will only motivate Chelsea and Liverpool to spend also.
Chelsea had turmoil last year more than any teams ever had. I think tuchel massively under achieved tbh. He won't have an excuse this year. I'd love spurs to very ale them just don't think it's reasonable looking at the squads, and who spurs have signed/linked with.
There's talk of dembele going there and kounde. If dembele can play 30 games for them, them two signings alone are way better than anything spurs can get. Harsh but reality. They will also add more.
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We signed Romero last summer. Not sure why you're so convinced that we won't buy a centre back thats a similar level to kounde given that we will also be buying one
Ousmane's career high for league starts is 22. Signing him would be a huge gamble.
Chelsea's depth is also pretty lacking currently. They had 23 players play at least 300 premier league minutes last season. Three of them have already left the club (rudiger, Saul and Christensen). Three have been heavily linked with moves away (Lukaku, Alonso and Azpilicueta). Then there are plenty of fairly average players within that remaining 17.
Obviously they will bring in replacements but the quality of those replacements is something we can only speculate on. I really don't think anything that has actually happened so far can let you put Chelsea on a tier above us in terms of current quality
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 2 minutes ago
Kounde is broken. Dembele is permanently broken. I'm sure Chelsea will improve but we're closing the gap for sure. Plus they've got Lukaka hanging around their neck
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He is a huge problem 100% but they have 0 debt now though so can spend crazy $
Spurs and Liverpool cannot do that. If dembele plays just half a season like he finished for barca they have 1 of the leagues best players easily. The teams above spurs can have way more injuries with little drop off. For spurs he drop off in a few areas is pretty drastic.
Winks, dier, sanchez, moura, Doherty, Davies, royal, bergwin etc are all pretty poor or badly utilised. Even conte can't polish turds or work miracles in 1 window
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Only 2 of them are likely to start games for us this season, though. You could do a similar list of Chelsea squad players that aren't good enough to finish above us
And he very much polished the Doherty turrd. Dier could be improved upon for sure, but he's solid and was a key part of our defence looking do solid for long stretches last season.
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comment by BelfastSpur (U15068)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by LemonKnee (U22854)
posted 5 minutes ago
Spurs fans are obsessed with fantasising about signings.
It's quite funny.
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posted on 15/6/22
comment by Ace (U22861)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by KingKenny (U1961)
posted 6 minutes ago
The obvious issue you have is you need the signings you do make to work out. Richarlison isn't too big an issue as he's essentially cover and I'd be surprised if bissouma isn't at least quite good. But whoever you get in for defence will have to be good or its another season of struggling to get ahead.
We've managed what we have because near enough every signing was spot on. We are now at a point where we can get away with a signing being less than perfect (keita for example) but at the stage you are now at we needed the level of success we had. If you manage that will define whether you go on to compete in 2/3 years.
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I actually think that Liverpool are at a stage where they can’t get away with misses in the market. They are entering a rebuilding phase, with Mane off, Firminho nearly done and Salah in the last year of his deal. The output of that front 3 has taken Liverpool to heights over the last 3 years, but there’s no guarantee that replacements will have them at the same level.
Jota has been a good signing, but that’s been enabled by slotting into an already strong set up. Without peak Salah & Mane around him, will he be as good? And generally speaking, will a front 3 of Diaz, Nunez and Jota be effective enough to keep them competing with city? It’ll certainly be different as Nunez will be more of a focal point than any of his predecessors. You then have other players who have been key for the last few years reaching 30. Succession planning is vital in football, Ferguson and Wenger successfully rebuilt title winning sides, Klopp is now entering that point where his first great side is phasing out and he needs to ensure the right signings are made to keep momentum.
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But surely the point is that we've already replaced the front line with 2/3 of it still in place. If one doesn't work out now we can get 1 more next summer and still be alright.
Think you are harsh on Jota there (though many of our own fans are too). He absolutely carried us last year at times and got us through the AFCON too. Plus did more in his 30 minutes in the CL final than the starting 3 combined.
posted on 15/6/22
comment by โBilly The Spurโ 20*21*22* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 3 hours, 39 minutes ago
Overhauling City will be difficult, but if Levy gives Conte the squad he wants, then overtaking Varpool and Chelsea is possible.
I don`t see Varpool as too far ahead at all, they failed to beat any of the top 4 last season and had massive help from the referees to avoid defeat in all 6 of those games.
If the officials do their jobs properly for once, and don`t bottle key decisions against Varpool at key moments in games, then everybody will be in the chasing pack trying to finish above City.
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posted on 15/6/22
comment by KingKenny (U1961)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Ace (U22861)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by KingKenny (U1961)
posted 6 minutes ago
The obvious issue you have is you need the signings you do make to work out. Richarlison isn't too big an issue as he's essentially cover and I'd be surprised if bissouma isn't at least quite good. But whoever you get in for defence will have to be good or its another season of struggling to get ahead.
We've managed what we have because near enough every signing was spot on. We are now at a point where we can get away with a signing being less than perfect (keita for example) but at the stage you are now at we needed the level of success we had. If you manage that will define whether you go on to compete in 2/3 years.
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I actually think that Liverpool are at a stage where they can’t get away with misses in the market. They are entering a rebuilding phase, with Mane off, Firminho nearly done and Salah in the last year of his deal. The output of that front 3 has taken Liverpool to heights over the last 3 years, but there’s no guarantee that replacements will have them at the same level.
Jota has been a good signing, but that’s been enabled by slotting into an already strong set up. Without peak Salah & Mane around him, will he be as good? And generally speaking, will a front 3 of Diaz, Nunez and Jota be effective enough to keep them competing with city? It’ll certainly be different as Nunez will be more of a focal point than any of his predecessors. You then have other players who have been key for the last few years reaching 30. Succession planning is vital in football, Ferguson and Wenger successfully rebuilt title winning sides, Klopp is now entering that point where his first great side is phasing out and he needs to ensure the right signings are made to keep momentum.
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But surely the point is that we've already replaced the front line with 2/3 of it still in place. If one doesn't work out now we can get 1 more next summer and still be alright.
Think you are harsh on Jota there (though many of our own fans are too). He absolutely carried us last year at times and got us through the AFCON too. Plus did more in his 30 minutes in the CL final than the starting 3 combined.
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Thought Jota made some vital contributions to you last season.
posted on 15/6/22
It was only the season before last where VVD was injured and Liverpool finished 4th. United led by OGS were able to finish second and make the Europa final.
Injuries to VVD, De Bruyne and Haaland, could leave us in a great position
I think Levy, Paratici and Conte all smell a chance and are going for it
posted on 15/6/22
comment by Dr Tobias Fünke (U1217)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by โBilly The Spurโ 20*21*22* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 3 hours, 39 minutes ago
Overhauling City will be difficult, but if Levy gives Conte the squad he wants, then overtaking Varpool and Chelsea is possible.
I don`t see Varpool as too far ahead at all, they failed to beat any of the top 4 last season and had massive help from the referees to avoid defeat in all 6 of those games.
If the officials do their jobs properly for once, and don`t bottle key decisions against Varpool at key moments in games, then everybody will be in the chasing pack trying to finish above City.
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posted on 15/6/22
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - Arsenal shat it on 16/01/22 - Todger (U18109)
posted 27 minutes ago
It was only the season before last where VVD was injured and Liverpool finished 4th. United led by OGS were able to finish second and make the Europa final.
Injuries to VVD, De Bruyne and Haaland, could leave us in a great position
I think Levy, Paratici and Conte all smell a chance and are going for it
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Third. Remarkable achievement with no central defence.
posted on 15/6/22
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - Arsenal shat it on 16/01/22 - Todger (U18109)
posted 39 minutes ago
It was only the season before last where VVD was injured and Liverpool finished 4th. United led by OGS were able to finish second and make the Europa final.
Injuries to VVD, De Bruyne and Haaland, could leave us in a great position
I think Levy, Paratici and Conte all smell a chance and are going for it
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Hmm our injuries were extreme that year and we've strengthened to the point I don't think it could happen again.
City are hardly poor I'd KDB and Haaland are out.
But I suppose it's plausible that we both drop down to a normal winning the league standard (mid 80s) so you could be close. Still don't see any way you win the league next year and you should definitely be thinking long term building here. If you are within a couple of points in 3 years time then I'd say you've done well.
posted on 15/6/22
Realistically you'd think top 4 and a chance at a cup.
No chance if a title with that squad unless a the Russians bomb Liverpool, Chelsea and city.
posted on 15/6/22
comment by Dr Tobias Fünke (U1217)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
comment by โBilly The Spurโ 20*21*22* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 3 hours, 39 minutes ago
Overhauling City will be difficult, but if Levy gives Conte the squad he wants, then overtaking Varpool and Chelsea is possible.
I don`t see Varpool as too far ahead at all, they failed to beat any of the top 4 last season and had massive help from the referees to avoid defeat in all 6 of those games.
If the officials do their jobs properly for once, and don`t bottle key decisions against Varpool at key moments in games, then everybody will be in the chasing pack trying to finish above City.
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Yeah overhauling Liverpool will be easy according to Billy cos they didn't beat any if the top 4.....ignoring the fact they lost 2 games in the season and lost their 2 star forwards to AFCON ๐
Liverpool are 9th on net spend and have spent less than spurs, Everton, newcastle etc and we're 1 point away from city. End of the season I can't speak of any club that benefited more from VAR than spurs tbh. Maybe city's penalty against Everton that never was, which VAR publicly said they got wrong, was the only thing that stuck out more.
Spurs have a Brighton mf, rumours of an Everton striker for silly $, targeting a rb that cannot cross at all and got a oap on a free. I think spurs need to manage their expectations a bit cos otherwise it'll be like when united finished 2nd, and thought they'd challenge, despite everyone knowing they wouldn't.
Liverpool and Chelsea still have $ to burn from new owners or prize money/sales. They won't just sit still so teams can catch up ๐
posted on 15/6/22
city and liverpool are a bit ahead of the rest, no doubt. think we can catch pool though.. they have peaked... now the squad will slowly start to change, as we have already seen with Mane... none of their replacements are likely to be immediately as good.
i doubt they will get so far in everythnig next season as they did this.
city however, are probably about to peak with the signing of haaland.
posted on 15/6/22
Far too early to say we've peaked.
posted on 15/6/22
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posted on 15/6/22
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 25 minutes ago
Realistically you'd think top 4 and a chance at a cup.
No chance if a title with that squad unless a the Russians bomb Liverpool, Chelsea and city.
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I don't know why wou included Chelsea in that. Say we have a very good chance of finishing above them
posted on 15/6/22
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 25 minutes ago
Realistically you'd think top 4 and a chance at a cup.
No chance if a title with that squad unless a the Russians bomb Liverpool, Chelsea and city.
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I don't know why wou included Chelsea in that. Say we have a very good chance of finishing above them
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Yeah Spurs for third this season I think.
posted on 15/6/22
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Dr Tobias Fünke (U1217)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
comment by โBilly The Spurโ 20*21*22* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 3 hours, 39 minutes ago
Overhauling City will be difficult, but if Levy gives Conte the squad he wants, then overtaking Varpool and Chelsea is possible.
I don`t see Varpool as too far ahead at all, they failed to beat any of the top 4 last season and had massive help from the referees to avoid defeat in all 6 of those games.
If the officials do their jobs properly for once, and don`t bottle key decisions against Varpool at key moments in games, then everybody will be in the chasing pack trying to finish above City.
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Yeah overhauling Liverpool will be easy according to Billy cos they didn't beat any if the top 4.....ignoring the fact they lost 2 games in the season and lost their 2 star forwards to AFCON ๐
Liverpool are 9th on net spend and have spent less than spurs, Everton, newcastle etc and we're 1 point away from city. End of the season I can't speak of any club that benefited more from VAR than spurs tbh. Maybe city's penalty against Everton that never was, which VAR publicly said they got wrong, was the only thing that stuck out more.
Spurs have a Brighton mf, rumours of an Everton striker for silly $, targeting a rb that cannot cross at all and got a oap on a free. I think spurs need to manage their expectations a bit cos otherwise it'll be like when united finished 2nd, and thought they'd challenge, despite everyone knowing they wouldn't.
Liverpool and Chelsea still have $ to burn from new owners or prize money/sales. They won't just sit still so teams can catch up ๐
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It’s all opinions isn’t it
Sounds like Billy rattled you though as some of what you are saying is complete rubbish and you are reacting
So we are getting a midfielder from Brighton ….if I remember rightly two of your best players are from Southampton ….what does it matter where players come from ? All players need to start somewhere
For the record Bissouma is an excellent player
I also think Richarlson is a very good player who has the potential to go up a level in a better team ….much like Jota did
Oap ? Perisic I presume,…..yeah he isn’t young anymore but I remember Liverpool fans raving about Milner when you signed him ….all clubs need these type of players as they teach the youngsters and by all accounts Perisic is in top condition
A right back that can’t cross? Doherty had great delivery thanks but if you meant Spence I can’t comment as never seen him play and I imagine you don’t watch forest regularly
For the record I don’t think we are challenging yet but it’s becoming a bit annoying listening to Liverpool fans tell everyone what their clubs should and shouldn’t do like you have been winning titles for years
Now queue the Liverpool sharks to all take a bite
posted on 15/6/22
comment by Chronic - THFC North London's finest (U3423)
posted 7 minutes ago
city and liverpool are a bit ahead of the rest, no doubt. think we can catch pool though.. they have peaked... now the squad will slowly start to change, as we have already seen with Mane... none of their replacements are likely to be immediately as good.
i doubt they will get so far in everythnig next season as they did this.
city however, are probably about to peak with the signing of haaland.
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Klopp has spent a third or a quarter of what pep does net a season and over the last few seasons I think it's like 1 point that separates them. Look at Liverpool defence. It's way stronger than spurs...not even close and that's with Conte having a back 7 when spurs defend.
There was no title race at Xmas and Liverpool lost mane and salad and lost 2 games all season. They have already signed players and will def sign more with all the $ they have coming in.
Haaland is immense but always injured. City don't even need a striker to win the league but adjusting to them having one may take a few games.
Spurs could catch city and Liverpool. I just think the lb from inter and a forest rb aren't gonna do it ๐ bisoumma is a good deal at 30m but Richardson. ...come on. Be serious. We are talking titles and CLs here. Liverpool have 5-6 exceptional young talents coming too. Kid from Derby. Two Fulham lads. Scottish rb. Kelleher already won his team a trophy.
I get spurs and the rest have been miles behind and are making progress but going from building an 11 and counter attacking to a strong squad and dominating teams, spurs are way off that. I'd love for them just to over take Chelsea but I just can't see it. I don't think it's reasonable tbh. The top 3 will spend at least as much as spurs and don't need to pad their squad out.
Kane, son, lloris, pirisic will also need replacing soon too so I'd actually argue Liverpool have rebuilt their next team.more than spurs have as things stand.
It takes time to catch city. Pep spends 100m net a year. For the teams run as actual normal.football clubs u can't make a mistake in the transfer market and have to hope they have problems. It's usually wishful thinking
posted on 15/6/22
I really doubt we'll sign both Richarlison and Raphinha. One of them will do with Lucas sticking around
posted on 15/6/22
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 25 minutes ago
Realistically you'd think top 4 and a chance at a cup.
No chance if a title with that squad unless a the Russians bomb Liverpool, Chelsea and city.
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I don't know why wou included Chelsea in that. Say we have a very good chance of finishing above them
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Cos they have a squad way better than spurs in terms of depth. Better youth set up and a new owner who bought the club on the condition he spent x amount. I'd guarantee that'd be more than spurs spend. The top 3 aren't going to just not buy cos spurs are spending. Spurs have a big net spend in recent years, way more than Liverpool, and wasted it mainly. Now they are buying better it will only motivate Chelsea and Liverpool to spend also.
Chelsea had turmoil last year more than any teams ever had. I think tuchel massively under achieved tbh. He won't have an excuse this year. I'd love spurs to very ale them just don't think it's reasonable looking at the squads, and who spurs have signed/linked with.
There's talk of dembele going there and kounde. If dembele can play 30 games for them, them two signings alone are way better than anything spurs can get. Harsh but reality. They will also add more.
posted on 15/6/22
Kounde is broken. Dembele is permanently broken. I'm sure Chelsea will improve but we're closing the gap for sure. Plus they've got Lukaka hanging around their neck
posted on 15/6/22
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Dr Tobias Fünke (U1217)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
comment by โBilly The Spurโ 20*21*22* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 3 hours, 39 minutes ago
Overhauling City will be difficult, but if Levy gives Conte the squad he wants, then overtaking Varpool and Chelsea is possible.
I don`t see Varpool as too far ahead at all, they failed to beat any of the top 4 last season and had massive help from the referees to avoid defeat in all 6 of those games.
If the officials do their jobs properly for once, and don`t bottle key decisions against Varpool at key moments in games, then everybody will be in the chasing pack trying to finish above City.
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Yeah overhauling Liverpool will be easy according to Billy cos they didn't beat any if the top 4.....ignoring the fact they lost 2 games in the season and lost their 2 star forwards to AFCON ๐
Liverpool are 9th on net spend and have spent less than spurs, Everton, newcastle etc and we're 1 point away from city. End of the season I can't speak of any club that benefited more from VAR than spurs tbh. Maybe city's penalty against Everton that never was, which VAR publicly said they got wrong, was the only thing that stuck out more.
Spurs have a Brighton mf, rumours of an Everton striker for silly $, targeting a rb that cannot cross at all and got a oap on a free. I think spurs need to manage their expectations a bit cos otherwise it'll be like when united finished 2nd, and thought they'd challenge, despite everyone knowing they wouldn't.
Liverpool and Chelsea still have $ to burn from new owners or prize money/sales. They won't just sit still so teams can catch up ๐
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It’s all opinions isn’t it
Sounds like Billy rattled you though as some of what you are saying is complete rubbish and you are reacting
So we are getting a midfielder from Brighton ….if I remember rightly two of your best players are from Southampton ….what does it matter where players come from ? All players need to start somewhere
For the record Bissouma is an excellent player
I also think Richarlson is a very good player who has the potential to go up a level in a better team ….much like Jota did
Oap ? Perisic I presume,…..yeah he isn’t young anymore but I remember Liverpool fans raving about Milner when you signed him ….all clubs need these type of players as they teach the youngsters and by all accounts Perisic is in top condition
A right back that can’t cross? Doherty had great delivery thanks but if you meant Spence I can’t comment as never seen him play and I imagine you don’t watch forest regularly
For the record I don’t think we are challenging yet but it’s becoming a bit annoying listening to Liverpool fans tell everyone what their clubs should and shouldn’t do like you have been winning titles for years
Now queue the Liverpool sharks to all take a bite
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I like spurs as much as Liverpool ๐๐๐
I'm just a realist. Opinions sure but the idea that some fans think pool will drop off suddenly when spurs have an aging side too just makes me chuckle. They lost like 3-4 games playing over 60!
Spence I've seen plenty of too but crossing is 100% not his strength at all. It's a huge weak area. Obv if you've not seem anything of him I understand that makes it hard for u to think I could have.
Padding a squad out is essential when uve 150m I get that, I just think fans saying they will get near the top is kinda mental. They will do better but 3rd and a cup should be the target. Even that will be very difficult.
There is so much work to do to the spurs team 150m and one window.won't fix it. Problem is how many more seasons do Kane and Son have?
Why wasn't this started years ago? That's the question I'd be asking.
posted on 15/6/22
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 2 minutes ago
Kounde is broken. Dembele is permanently broken. I'm sure Chelsea will improve but we're closing the gap for sure. Plus they've got Lukaka hanging around their neck
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He is a huge problem 100% but they have 0 debt now though so can spend crazy $
Spurs and Liverpool cannot do that. If dembele plays just half a season like he finished for barca they have 1 of the leagues best players easily. The teams above spurs can have way more injuries with little drop off. For spurs he drop off in a few areas is pretty drastic.
Winks, dier, sanchez, moura, Doherty, Davies, royal, bergwin etc are all pretty poor or badly utilised. Even conte can't polish turds or work miracles in 1 window
posted on 15/6/22
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 25 minutes ago
Realistically you'd think top 4 and a chance at a cup.
No chance if a title with that squad unless a the Russians bomb Liverpool, Chelsea and city.
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I don't know why wou included Chelsea in that. Say we have a very good chance of finishing above them
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Cos they have a squad way better than spurs in terms of depth. Better youth set up and a new owner who bought the club on the condition he spent x amount. I'd guarantee that'd be more than spurs spend. The top 3 aren't going to just not buy cos spurs are spending. Spurs have a big net spend in recent years, way more than Liverpool, and wasted it mainly. Now they are buying better it will only motivate Chelsea and Liverpool to spend also.
Chelsea had turmoil last year more than any teams ever had. I think tuchel massively under achieved tbh. He won't have an excuse this year. I'd love spurs to very ale them just don't think it's reasonable looking at the squads, and who spurs have signed/linked with.
There's talk of dembele going there and kounde. If dembele can play 30 games for them, them two signings alone are way better than anything spurs can get. Harsh but reality. They will also add more.
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We signed Romero last summer. Not sure why you're so convinced that we won't buy a centre back thats a similar level to kounde given that we will also be buying one
Ousmane's career high for league starts is 22. Signing him would be a huge gamble.
Chelsea's depth is also pretty lacking currently. They had 23 players play at least 300 premier league minutes last season. Three of them have already left the club (rudiger, Saul and Christensen). Three have been heavily linked with moves away (Lukaku, Alonso and Azpilicueta). Then there are plenty of fairly average players within that remaining 17.
Obviously they will bring in replacements but the quality of those replacements is something we can only speculate on. I really don't think anything that has actually happened so far can let you put Chelsea on a tier above us in terms of current quality
posted on 15/6/22
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 2 minutes ago
Kounde is broken. Dembele is permanently broken. I'm sure Chelsea will improve but we're closing the gap for sure. Plus they've got Lukaka hanging around their neck
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He is a huge problem 100% but they have 0 debt now though so can spend crazy $
Spurs and Liverpool cannot do that. If dembele plays just half a season like he finished for barca they have 1 of the leagues best players easily. The teams above spurs can have way more injuries with little drop off. For spurs he drop off in a few areas is pretty drastic.
Winks, dier, sanchez, moura, Doherty, Davies, royal, bergwin etc are all pretty poor or badly utilised. Even conte can't polish turds or work miracles in 1 window
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Only 2 of them are likely to start games for us this season, though. You could do a similar list of Chelsea squad players that aren't good enough to finish above us
And he very much polished the Doherty turrd. Dier could be improved upon for sure, but he's solid and was a key part of our defence looking do solid for long stretches last season.
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