I wouldn't worry about him. Truss has clearly got this sewn up.
And the real issue isn't that the political elite have these views it's that a large section of the population have this view OR care more about protecting what they have than following any principles they might hold.
The more or a cant you are, the more votes from tories you will get, so you just need to go all out. Be the cant's cant. It's all anonymous so you're not held accountable if you vote for a cant. They'd win easily it they promised to murder the poor or put them in working camps.
Still think he would be the lesser of two evils. Which is scary.
comment by KingKenny (U1961)
posted 8 minutes ago
I wouldn't worry about him. Truss has clearly got this sewn up.
And the real issue isn't that the political elite have these views it's that a large section of the population have this view OR care more about protecting what they have than following any principles they might hold.
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this is very true
you get what you voted for
the leaders reflect the society they're from
it says alot about the British population as a whole the government the country now has
Not sure it's just "the British population" to be fair. People are generally selfish to some extent and struggle with any empathy once it starts having a negative impact on themselves. The "why should I pay my taxes for those scroungers" nonsense etc.
I genuinely feel sorry for my friends back in the UK. Shiiiits about to get very real this winter. People voted Brexit to keep ‘them’ out but it’s actually ended up keeping you in. My advice is for everyone en masse to refuse to pay their electric bills when it gets mentally high and that solidarity will force governments to act.
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comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by KingKenny (U1961)
posted 8 minutes ago
I wouldn't worry about him. Truss has clearly got this sewn up.
And the real issue isn't that the political elite have these views it's that a large section of the population have this view OR care more about protecting what they have than following any principles they might hold.
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this is very true
you get what you voted for
the leaders reflect the society they're from
it says alot about the British population as a whole the government the country now has
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Yeah, people are stupid.
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by KingKenny (U1961)
posted 8 minutes ago
I wouldn't worry about him. Truss has clearly got this sewn up.
And the real issue isn't that the political elite have these views it's that a large section of the population have this view OR care more about protecting what they have than following any principles they might hold.
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this is very true
you get what you voted for
the leaders reflect the society they're from
it says alot about the British population as a whole the government the country now has
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very true peks, its quite embarrassing to be a brit these days
Peks would prefer people like Orban in power
Good job he’s got no Working Class friends to take him to task over that speech
comment by der kloppites Hi, wie geht es dir * (U13373)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by KingKenny (U1961)
posted 8 minutes ago
I wouldn't worry about him. Truss has clearly got this sewn up.
And the real issue isn't that the political elite have these views it's that a large section of the population have this view OR care more about protecting what they have than following any principles they might hold.
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this is very true
you get what you voted for
the leaders reflect the society they're from
it says alot about the British population as a whole the government the country now has
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very true peks, its quite embarrassing to be a brit these days
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English. Scotland doesn't vote for these people or parties
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 9 minutes ago
Personally don’t think we should pay any tax on income or capital gains. Just make tax on goods and services and that’s it.
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What about people who don't earn enough to pay income tax in the first place? Things get worse for them in that case.
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 14 minutes ago
Personally don’t think we should pay any tax on income or capital gains. Just make tax on goods and services and that’s it.
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What?
Please tell me you mean something else than what I just read.
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 9 minutes ago
Personally don’t think we should pay any tax on income or capital gains. Just make tax on goods and services and that’s it.
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What about people who don't earn enough to pay income tax in the first place? Things get worse for them in that case.
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They’ll be all shot or put in camps- see Barry’s post. Don’t worry about them
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 14 minutes ago
Personally don’t think we should pay any tax on income or capital gains. Just make tax on goods and services and that’s it.
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What?
Please tell me you mean something else than what I just read.
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I was going to reply, but I just don't have the energy. Madness.
I've often thanked myself for filtering people on this site who are incapable of engaging with new ideas or any sort of personal growth.
comment by Ole dirty Baztard - penited and penandes (U19119)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 9 minutes ago
Personally don’t think we should pay any tax on income or capital gains. Just make tax on goods and services and that’s it.
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What about people who don't earn enough to pay income tax in the first place? Things get worse for them in that case.
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They’ll be all shot or put in camps- see Barry’s post. Don’t worry about them
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If we burn the poor people would they do as fuel. A good way to solve the energy crisis? If they're old then that's a good way to solve the pension crisis as well.
Tax the poor only because 99% of taxes go on benefits for the poor so if they want their benefits, make the poor pay or it themselves and leave us hard working folk to enjoy the money we earnt
The UK, particularly England, voted for this mess. You get the government you deserve, especially one where you get to choose it.
I do love how 2008 banking crisis is still blamed on that government but all the BS that happened and the government mess up there isn't blamed on the government by the English and the press.
Both Truss and Sunak are more than happy to tailor their policies to the current wind direction of the Tory base. I don't believe that one has a stronger sense of values or empathy for ordinary people than the other. What we can say is that Sunak's current leadership pitch is based upon an appeal that he might be a bit more electable in the eyes of the British public, while Truss's strategy is based on throwing red meat to the Tory party membership. As such, Sunak is promoting an ever-so-slightly more reality-adjacent policy platform, including resisting immediate tax cuts, which means his rival is currently proposing even more radical transfer of wealth away from the poorest to the richest than he is.
comment by Brian Easton (U1734)
posted 3 minutes ago
Tax the poor only because 99% of taxes go on benefits for the poor so if they want their benefits, make the poor pay or it themselves and leave us hard working folk to enjoy the money we earnt
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tax the rich i say ,i dont mind paying a bit more
Could do a deal with the English. We swap you the people who voted no to independence and for Brexit, they get to stay in Britain (by being in England) and we get people who voted green or uncantishly. Get all the good guys in one place and all the cants in one place
A number of people are commenting that we get the government we deserve. I'm not sure that's entirely true. The quality of political discourse and political outcomes are hugely influenced by the balance of power and wealth and the extent to which laws and institutions limit excessive accumulation of either. If we had, in no particular order, a proportional voting system, a media landscape not dominated foreign-domiciled billionaires, much greater transparency and regulation around think tanks and corporate advocacy groups, greater independence of broadcast media from government, and stronger independent accountability for the press, I believe the very same, flawed British public would enjoy more grown up political debate and would elect better legislators.
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 38 minutes ago
Personally don’t think we should pay any tax on income or capital gains. Just make tax on goods and services and that’s it.
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Yep, private schools, private medical insurance, private pensions and the right to buy our own Aircraft Carriers in the event of war.
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posted on 5/8/22
I wouldn't worry about him. Truss has clearly got this sewn up.
And the real issue isn't that the political elite have these views it's that a large section of the population have this view OR care more about protecting what they have than following any principles they might hold.
posted on 5/8/22
The more or a cant you are, the more votes from tories you will get, so you just need to go all out. Be the cant's cant. It's all anonymous so you're not held accountable if you vote for a cant. They'd win easily it they promised to murder the poor or put them in working camps.
posted on 5/8/22
Still think he would be the lesser of two evils. Which is scary.
posted on 5/8/22
comment by KingKenny (U1961)
posted 8 minutes ago
I wouldn't worry about him. Truss has clearly got this sewn up.
And the real issue isn't that the political elite have these views it's that a large section of the population have this view OR care more about protecting what they have than following any principles they might hold.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
this is very true
you get what you voted for
the leaders reflect the society they're from
it says alot about the British population as a whole the government the country now has
posted on 5/8/22
Not sure it's just "the British population" to be fair. People are generally selfish to some extent and struggle with any empathy once it starts having a negative impact on themselves. The "why should I pay my taxes for those scroungers" nonsense etc.
posted on 5/8/22
I genuinely feel sorry for my friends back in the UK. Shiiiits about to get very real this winter. People voted Brexit to keep ‘them’ out but it’s actually ended up keeping you in. My advice is for everyone en masse to refuse to pay their electric bills when it gets mentally high and that solidarity will force governments to act.
posted on 5/8/22
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posted on 5/8/22
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by KingKenny (U1961)
posted 8 minutes ago
I wouldn't worry about him. Truss has clearly got this sewn up.
And the real issue isn't that the political elite have these views it's that a large section of the population have this view OR care more about protecting what they have than following any principles they might hold.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
this is very true
you get what you voted for
the leaders reflect the society they're from
it says alot about the British population as a whole the government the country now has
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah, people are stupid.
posted on 5/8/22
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by KingKenny (U1961)
posted 8 minutes ago
I wouldn't worry about him. Truss has clearly got this sewn up.
And the real issue isn't that the political elite have these views it's that a large section of the population have this view OR care more about protecting what they have than following any principles they might hold.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
this is very true
you get what you voted for
the leaders reflect the society they're from
it says alot about the British population as a whole the government the country now has
----------------------------------------------------------------------
very true peks, its quite embarrassing to be a brit these days
posted on 5/8/22
Peks would prefer people like Orban in power
posted on 5/8/22
Good job he’s got no Working Class friends to take him to task over that speech
posted on 5/8/22
comment by der kloppites Hi, wie geht es dir * (U13373)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by KingKenny (U1961)
posted 8 minutes ago
I wouldn't worry about him. Truss has clearly got this sewn up.
And the real issue isn't that the political elite have these views it's that a large section of the population have this view OR care more about protecting what they have than following any principles they might hold.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
this is very true
you get what you voted for
the leaders reflect the society they're from
it says alot about the British population as a whole the government the country now has
----------------------------------------------------------------------
very true peks, its quite embarrassing to be a brit these days
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English. Scotland doesn't vote for these people or parties
posted on 5/8/22
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 9 minutes ago
Personally don’t think we should pay any tax on income or capital gains. Just make tax on goods and services and that’s it.
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What about people who don't earn enough to pay income tax in the first place? Things get worse for them in that case.
posted on 5/8/22
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 14 minutes ago
Personally don’t think we should pay any tax on income or capital gains. Just make tax on goods and services and that’s it.
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What?
Please tell me you mean something else than what I just read.
posted on 5/8/22
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 9 minutes ago
Personally don’t think we should pay any tax on income or capital gains. Just make tax on goods and services and that’s it.
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What about people who don't earn enough to pay income tax in the first place? Things get worse for them in that case.
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They’ll be all shot or put in camps- see Barry’s post. Don’t worry about them
posted on 5/8/22
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 14 minutes ago
Personally don’t think we should pay any tax on income or capital gains. Just make tax on goods and services and that’s it.
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What?
Please tell me you mean something else than what I just read.
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I was going to reply, but I just don't have the energy. Madness.
posted on 5/8/22
I've often thanked myself for filtering people on this site who are incapable of engaging with new ideas or any sort of personal growth.
posted on 5/8/22
comment by Ole dirty Baztard - penited and penandes (U19119)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 9 minutes ago
Personally don’t think we should pay any tax on income or capital gains. Just make tax on goods and services and that’s it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What about people who don't earn enough to pay income tax in the first place? Things get worse for them in that case.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They’ll be all shot or put in camps- see Barry’s post. Don’t worry about them
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If we burn the poor people would they do as fuel. A good way to solve the energy crisis? If they're old then that's a good way to solve the pension crisis as well.
posted on 5/8/22
Tax the poor only because 99% of taxes go on benefits for the poor so if they want their benefits, make the poor pay or it themselves and leave us hard working folk to enjoy the money we earnt
posted on 5/8/22
The UK, particularly England, voted for this mess. You get the government you deserve, especially one where you get to choose it.
I do love how 2008 banking crisis is still blamed on that government but all the BS that happened and the government mess up there isn't blamed on the government by the English and the press.
posted on 5/8/22
Both Truss and Sunak are more than happy to tailor their policies to the current wind direction of the Tory base. I don't believe that one has a stronger sense of values or empathy for ordinary people than the other. What we can say is that Sunak's current leadership pitch is based upon an appeal that he might be a bit more electable in the eyes of the British public, while Truss's strategy is based on throwing red meat to the Tory party membership. As such, Sunak is promoting an ever-so-slightly more reality-adjacent policy platform, including resisting immediate tax cuts, which means his rival is currently proposing even more radical transfer of wealth away from the poorest to the richest than he is.
posted on 5/8/22
comment by Brian Easton (U1734)
posted 3 minutes ago
Tax the poor only because 99% of taxes go on benefits for the poor so if they want their benefits, make the poor pay or it themselves and leave us hard working folk to enjoy the money we earnt
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tax the rich i say ,i dont mind paying a bit more
posted on 5/8/22
Could do a deal with the English. We swap you the people who voted no to independence and for Brexit, they get to stay in Britain (by being in England) and we get people who voted green or uncantishly. Get all the good guys in one place and all the cants in one place
posted on 5/8/22
A number of people are commenting that we get the government we deserve. I'm not sure that's entirely true. The quality of political discourse and political outcomes are hugely influenced by the balance of power and wealth and the extent to which laws and institutions limit excessive accumulation of either. If we had, in no particular order, a proportional voting system, a media landscape not dominated foreign-domiciled billionaires, much greater transparency and regulation around think tanks and corporate advocacy groups, greater independence of broadcast media from government, and stronger independent accountability for the press, I believe the very same, flawed British public would enjoy more grown up political debate and would elect better legislators.
posted on 5/8/22
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 38 minutes ago
Personally don’t think we should pay any tax on income or capital gains. Just make tax on goods and services and that’s it.
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Yep, private schools, private medical insurance, private pensions and the right to buy our own Aircraft Carriers in the event of war.
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