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Just went to Parliament Square & held up a blank piece of paper. Officer came & asked for my details. He confirmed that if I wrote “Not My King” on it, he would arrest me under the Public Order Act because someone might be offended.
https://twitter.com/paulpowlesland/status/1569350005462564865?s=46&t=GjR-ebuREPq4jy4-zrJHDQ
This is what the nonce Tory voters and the monarchy kicking cuuunts have subjected this country to. We’ve become facking North Korea.
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This guy sounds like a right pr!ck though and just out to cause trouble for the sake of causing trouble.
Why is he holding up a blank sign, he is just looking for a response.
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He can do whatever the fack he wants within the law, and that’s exercising his freedom of speech. People like you are enabling this type of shiiit.
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Enabling what ?
He has deliberately gone out to get a response from somebody and by somebody I mean the police.
And then immeidate posts the reaction on twitter.
Why not just, not be a cant?
The amount of wanchors the police have to deal with on a daily basis, they don't need some clever tw@t wasting their time, which is exactly what this is.
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Hes not being a caaaant. He's trying to make a point and clearly some people are either too thick or too entrenched in their views to grasp that point. How you can conclude that he's doing it just to be a caaaant and to evoke a response is amazing to me.
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What point is he trying to make.
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That freedom of speech is under threat especially from this Tory government, among others.
comment by Ignacio Varga (U11781)
posted 24 minutes ago
Where is he waving the sign in the policeman’s face here then Greg?
https://twitter.com/paulpowlesland/status/1569351772606550022?s=46&t=9RTk57zzxpdY3t6Mk6A0Uw
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I hope he got the copper’s badge number and files a complaint.
As far as I’m aware, if the sign isn’t threatening, abusive or insulting, he isn’t breaking the law.
‘Not My King’ is not threatening, abusive or insulting, and again, unless I’m very much mistaken, the lad had every right to stand in public holding a sign saying exactly that.
British democracy is in a lot of trouble, it really is.
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Just went to Parliament Square & held up a blank piece of paper. Officer came & asked for my details. He confirmed that if I wrote “Not My King” on it, he would arrest me under the Public Order Act because someone might be offended.
https://twitter.com/paulpowlesland/status/1569350005462564865?s=46&t=GjR-ebuREPq4jy4-zrJHDQ
This is what the nonce Tory voters and the monarchy kicking cuuunts have subjected this country to. We’ve become facking North Korea.
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This guy sounds like a right pr!ck though and just out to cause trouble for the sake of causing trouble.
Why is he holding up a blank sign, he is just looking for a response.
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He can do whatever the fack he wants within the law, and that’s exercising his freedom of speech. People like you are enabling this type of shiiit.
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Enabling what ?
He has deliberately gone out to get a response from somebody and by somebody I mean the police.
And then immeidate posts the reaction on twitter.
Why not just, not be a cant?
The amount of wanchors the police have to deal with on a daily basis, they don't need some clever tw@t wasting their time, which is exactly what this is.
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Hes not being a caaaant. He's trying to make a point and clearly some people are either too thick or too entrenched in their views to grasp that point. How you can conclude that he's doing it just to be a caaaant and to evoke a response is amazing to me.
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What point is he trying to make.
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That freedom of speech is under threat especially from this Tory government, among others.
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But he hasn't proved anything or been arrested. He should have had the courage of his convictions and written something abusive.
Police dont like people who film them
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comment by GregUnited (U1192)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Marcus The Triumvir Antony (U10026)
posted 36 seconds ago
The Tories have gone to grate lengths to stop peaceful protest in this country. That’s just another example of what facking cuuuunts they are.
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I don't disagree, but whats to say that any other party would do things differently?
They all talk a good talk because that's what they've been training their whole lives to do, but at the end of the day, they're all lying cants just out for themselves.
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Tired of seeing this excuse everytime the Tories act silly. It's the last line of defence when there is no other way to defend them and the logic behind it doesn't quite add up. We may as well have left the Natzi party in charge of Germany because "whats to say that any other party would do things differently?" You can't reason like that.
Many parties have protected and enhanced the right to protest in the past. I can't think of any that's taken away from that in my lifetime, except this Tory government. It's a major regression in our political and social landscape.
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Agree
The fact that you can be arrested for offending someone is absolutely ridiculous. Comedians better watch out.
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comment by Ignacio Varga (U11781)
posted 24 minutes ago
Where is he waving the sign in the policeman’s face here then Greg?
https://twitter.com/paulpowlesland/status/1569351772606550022?s=46&t=9RTk57zzxpdY3t6Mk6A0Uw
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I hope he got the copper’s badge number and files a complaint.
As far as I’m aware, if the sign isn’t threatening, abusive or insulting, he isn’t breaking the law.
‘Not My King’ is not threatening, abusive or insulting, and again, unless I’m very much mistaken, the lad had every right to stand in public holding a sign saying exactly that.
British democracy is in a lot of trouble, it really is.
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Bit of a stretch calling it a democracy.
I have no allegiance to any party, they've all done bad things, and good things.
Probably more bad on the Tory side based on recent events, but yeah, they're all cants at the end of the day.
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posted 1 minute ago
The fact that you can be arrested for offending someone is absolutely ridiculous. Comedians better watch out.
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Yeah, I’m pretty sure that that copper is talking complete bollox. There’s no law I’m aware of that has criminalised offending people, purposefully or otherwise.
Unfortunately, there’s no law or protocol that requires police officers to tell members of the public the truth. Provided the prole in question wasn’t under caution - and he clearly wasn’t - I don’t think there’s even anything that would prevent a British bobby from knowingly lying about what might or might not constitute a criminal offence.
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Diafol
I hope we are still cool, mate
Politics and religion, eh?
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Of course!
If you're ever around these parts be happy to have a trip down memory lane with you. Mu52 and Babyen also part of this road trip. Just don't mention religion and politics!
Another member of the public arrested, then de-arrested, under Section 5 of the Public Order Act. Handcuffed, stuffed in a van, driven home, and told to expect to hear from the police again in due course.
To be guilty under Section 5, he would need to be found to have used "threatening or abusive words or behaviour, or disorderly behaviour" or "displayed any writing, sign or other visible representation which is threatening or abusive”.
Stood in a crowd of people, here’s what he said:
“Who elected him?”
That’s it.
How is that threatening or abusive? The police are going to be in overdrive misusing their powers all week.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-62878954
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comment by Ignacio Varga (U11781)
posted 24 minutes ago
Where is he waving the sign in the policeman’s face here then Greg?
https://twitter.com/paulpowlesland/status/1569351772606550022?s=46&t=9RTk57zzxpdY3t6Mk6A0Uw
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I hope he got the copper’s badge number and files a complaint.
As far as I’m aware, if the sign isn’t threatening, abusive or insulting, he isn’t breaking the law.
‘Not My King’ is not threatening, abusive or insulting, and again, unless I’m very much mistaken, the lad had every right to stand in public holding a sign saying exactly that.
British democracy is in a lot of trouble, it really is.
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Bit of a stretch calling it a democracy.
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One of the most democratic countries on the planet, it's comments like these that make you appear so uneducated.
Still, at least on ja606 you can say what you want about the Queen, new King, the Monarchy and all is good.
Call them cuunts and nobody warned or arrested.
So even though we have an awful Tory government that is against free speech, we still have more than many/most countries around the world.
Something worth fighting for. So let's get rid of Liz.
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 24 minutes ago
Another member of the public arrested, then de-arrested, under Section 5 of the Public Order Act. Handcuffed, stuffed in a van, driven home, and told to expect to hear from the police again in due course.
To be guilty under Section 5, he would need to be found to have used "threatening or abusive words or behaviour, or disorderly behaviour" or "displayed any writing, sign or other visible representation which is threatening or abusive”.
Stood in a crowd of people, here’s what he said:
“Who elected him?”
That’s it.
How is that threatening or abusive? The police are going to be in overdrive misusing their powers all week.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-62878954
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It’s becoming like America.
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comment by Ignacio Varga (U11781)
posted 6 minutes ago
Just went to Parliament Square & held up a blank piece of paper. Officer came & asked for my details. He confirmed that if I wrote “Not My King” on it, he would arrest me under the Public Order Act because someone might be offended.
https://twitter.com/paulpowlesland/status/1569350005462564865?s=46&t=GjR-ebuREPq4jy4-zrJHDQ
This is what the nonce Tory voters and the monarchy kicking cuuunts have subjected this country to. We’ve become facking North Korea.
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This guy sounds like a right pr!ck though and just out to cause trouble for the sake of causing trouble.
Why is he holding up a blank sign, he is just looking for a response.
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He can do whatever the fack he wants within the law, and that’s exercising his freedom of speech. People like you are enabling this type of shiiit.
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Enabling what ?
He has deliberately gone out to get a response from somebody and by somebody I mean the police.
And then immeidate posts the reaction on twitter.
Why not just, not be a cant?
The amount of wanchors the police have to deal with on a daily basis, they don't need some clever tw@t wasting their time, which is exactly what this is.
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Hes not being a caaaant. He's trying to make a point and clearly some people are either too thick or too entrenched in their views to grasp that point. How you can conclude that he's doing it just to be a caaaant and to evoke a response is amazing to me.
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What point is he trying to make.
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That freedom of speech is under threat especially from this Tory government, among others.
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But he hasn't proved anything or been arrested. He should have had the courage of his convictions and written something abusive.
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Why would he do that? That's stoopid and he sounds anything but. I don't see any logical reasons to do that.He has absolutely proven something. I don't know how or why you can say he hasn't.
Also, writing something abusive is against the law. His intention was to prove his point, preferably without breaking the law and he was able to do just that.
This is actually a good way to protest.
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comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 24 minutes ago
Another member of the public arrested, then de-arrested, under Section 5 of the Public Order Act. Handcuffed, stuffed in a van, driven home, and told to expect to hear from the police again in due course.
To be guilty under Section 5, he would need to be found to have used "threatening or abusive words or behaviour, or disorderly behaviour" or "displayed any writing, sign or other visible representation which is threatening or abusive”.
Stood in a crowd of people, here’s what he said:
“Who elected him?”
That’s it.
How is that threatening or abusive? The police are going to be in overdrive misusing their powers all week.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-62878954
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It’s becoming like America.
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Arresting and de arresting is just another way to stop, hinder or discourage people from expressing their views. The attack on freedom of speech is taking forms that most people just can't grasp or don't want to grasp, but you can fool some of the people some of the time, but not all the people all the time.
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comment by Ignacio Varga (U11781)
posted 6 minutes ago
Just went to Parliament Square & held up a blank piece of paper. Officer came & asked for my details. He confirmed that if I wrote “Not My King” on it, he would arrest me under the Public Order Act because someone might be offended.
https://twitter.com/paulpowlesland/status/1569350005462564865?s=46&t=GjR-ebuREPq4jy4-zrJHDQ
This is what the nonce Tory voters and the monarchy kicking cuuunts have subjected this country to. We’ve become facking North Korea.
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This guy sounds like a right pr!ck though and just out to cause trouble for the sake of causing trouble.
Why is he holding up a blank sign, he is just looking for a response.
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He can do whatever the fack he wants within the law, and that’s exercising his freedom of speech. People like you are enabling this type of shiiit.
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Enabling what ?
He has deliberately gone out to get a response from somebody and by somebody I mean the police.
And then immeidate posts the reaction on twitter.
Why not just, not be a cant?
The amount of wanchors the police have to deal with on a daily basis, they don't need some clever tw@t wasting their time, which is exactly what this is.
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Hes not being a caaaant. He's trying to make a point and clearly some people are either too thick or too entrenched in their views to grasp that point. How you can conclude that he's doing it just to be a caaaant and to evoke a response is amazing to me.
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What point is he trying to make.
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That freedom of speech is under threat especially from this Tory government, among others.
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But he hasn't proved anything or been arrested. He should have had the courage of his convictions and written something abusive.
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Why would he do that? That's stoopid and he sounds anything but. I don't see any logical reasons to do that.He has absolutely proven something. I don't know how or why you can say he hasn't.
Also, writing something abusive is against the law. His intention was to prove his point, preferably without breaking the law and he was able to do just that.
This is actually a good way to protest.
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If you say so, but I don't agree. He said nothing, suggested something he might, then he would be arrested or not depending on the Bobby, then went away.
As a supporter of peaceful demonstrations I found this a weasily way of making a point, that didn't need making as everyone already knows.
I’m in two minds about these arrests. Well, no - if people are actually being arrested for peaceful protest, then that’s disgraceful and a step in the wrong direction.
However, I do kind of understand the police’s need to move them on. You wouldn’t stand by the side of an Orangeman’s parade singing Catholic songs, nor would you stand in the Kop in a United shirt and chanting ‘United’. If you did either, you’d expect a (probably violent) confrontation with the people vastly outnumbering you, or to be moved away by police or stewards. There’s nothing intrinsically offensive, of course, about saying ‘Who elected him?’ or ‘Not my king’, but in the context in which it’s being said, it absolutely is like to inflame and to lead to trouble.
But like I say, it’s pretty depressing to say the least if they’re actually arrested and charged.
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posted 7 seconds ago
I’m in two minds about these arrests. Well, no - if people are actually being arrested for peaceful protest, then that’s disgraceful and a step in the wrong direction.
However, I do kind of understand the police’s need to move them on. You wouldn’t stand by the side of an Orangeman’s parade singing Catholic songs, nor would you stand in the Kop in a United shirt and chanting ‘United’. If you did either, you’d expect a (probably violent) confrontation with the people vastly outnumbering you, or to be moved away by police or stewards. There’s nothing intrinsically offensive, of course, about saying ‘Who elected him?’ or ‘Not my king’, but in the context in which it’s being said, it absolutely is like to inflame and to lead to trouble.
But like I say, it’s pretty depressing to say the least if they’re actually arrested and charged.
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Spot on Clockwork, moving away is the answer.
Free speech always has limits
He said nothing, suggested something he might, then he would be arrested or not depending on the Bobby, then went away.
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Brilliant if you think about it.
He demonstrated beyond a doubt what would happen to him if his sign said those words without his sign actually saying those words and their authoritarian laws can't touch him.
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comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 7 seconds ago
I’m in two minds about these arrests. Well, no - if people are actually being arrested for peaceful protest, then that’s disgraceful and a step in the wrong direction.
However, I do kind of understand the police’s need to move them on. You wouldn’t stand by the side of an Orangeman’s parade singing Catholic songs, nor would you stand in the Kop in a United shirt and chanting ‘United’. If you did either, you’d expect a (probably violent) confrontation with the people vastly outnumbering you, or to be moved away by police or stewards. There’s nothing intrinsically offensive, of course, about saying ‘Who elected him?’ or ‘Not my king’, but in the context in which it’s being said, it absolutely is like to inflame and to lead to trouble.
But like I say, it’s pretty depressing to say the least if they’re actually arrested and charged.
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Spot on Clockwork, moving away is the answer.
Free speech always has limits
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I'm quite surprised that there is a support for picketing funerals on here.
However, I do kind of understand the police’s need to move them on. You wouldn’t stand by the side of an Orangeman’s parade singing Catholic songs, nor would you stand in the Kop in a United shirt and chanting ‘United’. If you did either, you’d expect a (probably violent) confrontation with the people vastly outnumbering you, or to be moved away by police or stewards. There’s nothing intrinsically offensive, of course, about saying ‘Who elected him?’ or ‘Not my king’, but in the context in which it’s being said, it absolutely is like to inflame and to lead to trouble.
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Yeah, because of intolerance to contrary opinion. People are or should be allowed to support the monarchy without hindrance and by the same token they should be allowed to criticize without hindrance. No double standards.
Comparing politics with football or religious issues is a false point. Completely different backgrounds and impact. There is no negative from removing the United can from the kop and life doesn't depend on football. But limiting or hindering freedom of speech and expression can have far reaching consequences obviously.
You can't approach this issue the same way you approach policing of a football match. It's just not the same thing.
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comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 7 seconds ago
I’m in two minds about these arrests. Well, no - if people are actually being arrested for peaceful protest, then that’s disgraceful and a step in the wrong direction.
However, I do kind of understand the police’s need to move them on. You wouldn’t stand by the side of an Orangeman’s parade singing Catholic songs, nor would you stand in the Kop in a United shirt and chanting ‘United’. If you did either, you’d expect a (probably violent) confrontation with the people vastly outnumbering you, or to be moved away by police or stewards. There’s nothing intrinsically offensive, of course, about saying ‘Who elected him?’ or ‘Not my king’, but in the context in which it’s being said, it absolutely is like to inflame and to lead to trouble.
But like I say, it’s pretty depressing to say the least if they’re actually arrested and charged.
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Spot on Clockwork, moving away is the answer.
Free speech always has limits
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I'm quite surprised that there is a support for picketing funerals on here.
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You might not be a Tory but this is a typical Tory style argument. The funeral hasn't even happened yet and I don't see anyone supporting picketing at the funeral. Could you provide some examples?
As someone said, there are limits to all freedoms and I'd like to think anyone protesting at the actual funeral would be removed. Disturbing the peace at a funeral is an offence. Peaceful protesters following the law should not be touched.
comment by Boris John's Son (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
However, I do kind of understand the police’s need to move them on. You wouldn’t stand by the side of an Orangeman’s parade singing Catholic songs, nor would you stand in the Kop in a United shirt and chanting ‘United’. If you did either, you’d expect a (probably violent) confrontation with the people vastly outnumbering you, or to be moved away by police or stewards. There’s nothing intrinsically offensive, of course, about saying ‘Who elected him?’ or ‘Not my king’, but in the context in which it’s being said, it absolutely is like to inflame and to lead to trouble.
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Yeah, because of intolerance to contrary opinion. People are or should be allowed to support the monarchy without hindrance and by the same token they should be allowed to criticize without hindrance. No double standards.
Comparing politics with football or religious issues is a false point. Completely different backgrounds and impact. There is no negative from removing the United can from the kop and life doesn't depend on football. But limiting or hindering freedom of speech and expression can have far reaching consequences obviously.
You can't approach this issue the same way you approach policing of a football match. It's just not the same thing.
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I'm not comparing football or religion to politics. I'm comparing people potentially being beaten to a pulp to people potentially being beaten to a pulp - because regardless of what you or I think of the differences, that's probably what would happen in any of the situations I described.
To be clear, if there were a separate and large yet peaceful anti-monarchy protest and people were arrested, that would seem an unequivocal attack on freedom of speech. This, however unsavoury, may be more about keeping the peace.
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posted 10 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 7 seconds ago
I’m in two minds about these arrests. Well, no - if people are actually being arrested for peaceful protest, then that’s disgraceful and a step in the wrong direction.
However, I do kind of understand the police’s need to move them on. You wouldn’t stand by the side of an Orangeman’s parade singing Catholic songs, nor would you stand in the Kop in a United shirt and chanting ‘United’. If you did either, you’d expect a (probably violent) confrontation with the people vastly outnumbering you, or to be moved away by police or stewards. There’s nothing intrinsically offensive, of course, about saying ‘Who elected him?’ or ‘Not my king’, but in the context in which it’s being said, it absolutely is like to inflame and to lead to trouble.
But like I say, it’s pretty depressing to say the least if they’re actually arrested and charged.
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Spot on Clockwork, moving away is the answer.
Free speech always has limits
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I'm quite surprised that there is a support for picketing funerals on here.
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Another ridiculous straw man.
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Just went to Parliament Square & held up a blank piece of paper. Officer came & asked for my details. He confirmed that if I wrote “Not My King” on it, he would arrest me under the Public Order Act because someone might be offended.
https://twitter.com/paulpowlesland/status/1569350005462564865?s=46&t=GjR-ebuREPq4jy4-zrJHDQ
This is what the nonce Tory voters and the monarchy kicking cuuunts have subjected this country to. We’ve become facking North Korea.
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This guy sounds like a right pr!ck though and just out to cause trouble for the sake of causing trouble.
Why is he holding up a blank sign, he is just looking for a response.
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He can do whatever the fack he wants within the law, and that’s exercising his freedom of speech. People like you are enabling this type of shiiit.
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Enabling what ?
He has deliberately gone out to get a response from somebody and by somebody I mean the police.
And then immeidate posts the reaction on twitter.
Why not just, not be a cant?
The amount of wanchors the police have to deal with on a daily basis, they don't need some clever tw@t wasting their time, which is exactly what this is.
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Hes not being a caaaant. He's trying to make a point and clearly some people are either too thick or too entrenched in their views to grasp that point. How you can conclude that he's doing it just to be a caaaant and to evoke a response is amazing to me.
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What point is he trying to make.
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That freedom of speech is under threat especially from this Tory government, among others.
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comment by Ignacio Varga (U11781)
posted 24 minutes ago
Where is he waving the sign in the policeman’s face here then Greg?
https://twitter.com/paulpowlesland/status/1569351772606550022?s=46&t=9RTk57zzxpdY3t6Mk6A0Uw
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I hope he got the copper’s badge number and files a complaint.
As far as I’m aware, if the sign isn’t threatening, abusive or insulting, he isn’t breaking the law.
‘Not My King’ is not threatening, abusive or insulting, and again, unless I’m very much mistaken, the lad had every right to stand in public holding a sign saying exactly that.
British democracy is in a lot of trouble, it really is.
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Just went to Parliament Square & held up a blank piece of paper. Officer came & asked for my details. He confirmed that if I wrote “Not My King” on it, he would arrest me under the Public Order Act because someone might be offended.
https://twitter.com/paulpowlesland/status/1569350005462564865?s=46&t=GjR-ebuREPq4jy4-zrJHDQ
This is what the nonce Tory voters and the monarchy kicking cuuunts have subjected this country to. We’ve become facking North Korea.
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This guy sounds like a right pr!ck though and just out to cause trouble for the sake of causing trouble.
Why is he holding up a blank sign, he is just looking for a response.
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He can do whatever the fack he wants within the law, and that’s exercising his freedom of speech. People like you are enabling this type of shiiit.
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Enabling what ?
He has deliberately gone out to get a response from somebody and by somebody I mean the police.
And then immeidate posts the reaction on twitter.
Why not just, not be a cant?
The amount of wanchors the police have to deal with on a daily basis, they don't need some clever tw@t wasting their time, which is exactly what this is.
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Hes not being a caaaant. He's trying to make a point and clearly some people are either too thick or too entrenched in their views to grasp that point. How you can conclude that he's doing it just to be a caaaant and to evoke a response is amazing to me.
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What point is he trying to make.
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That freedom of speech is under threat especially from this Tory government, among others.
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But he hasn't proved anything or been arrested. He should have had the courage of his convictions and written something abusive.
posted on 12/9/22
Police dont like people who film them
posted on 12/9/22
comment by Boris John's Son (U1282)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by GregUnited (U1192)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Marcus The Triumvir Antony (U10026)
posted 36 seconds ago
The Tories have gone to grate lengths to stop peaceful protest in this country. That’s just another example of what facking cuuuunts they are.
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I don't disagree, but whats to say that any other party would do things differently?
They all talk a good talk because that's what they've been training their whole lives to do, but at the end of the day, they're all lying cants just out for themselves.
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Tired of seeing this excuse everytime the Tories act silly. It's the last line of defence when there is no other way to defend them and the logic behind it doesn't quite add up. We may as well have left the Natzi party in charge of Germany because "whats to say that any other party would do things differently?" You can't reason like that.
Many parties have protected and enhanced the right to protest in the past. I can't think of any that's taken away from that in my lifetime, except this Tory government. It's a major regression in our political and social landscape.
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Agree
posted on 12/9/22
The fact that you can be arrested for offending someone is absolutely ridiculous. Comedians better watch out.
posted on 12/9/22
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Ignacio Varga (U11781)
posted 24 minutes ago
Where is he waving the sign in the policeman’s face here then Greg?
https://twitter.com/paulpowlesland/status/1569351772606550022?s=46&t=9RTk57zzxpdY3t6Mk6A0Uw
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I hope he got the copper’s badge number and files a complaint.
As far as I’m aware, if the sign isn’t threatening, abusive or insulting, he isn’t breaking the law.
‘Not My King’ is not threatening, abusive or insulting, and again, unless I’m very much mistaken, the lad had every right to stand in public holding a sign saying exactly that.
British democracy is in a lot of trouble, it really is.
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Bit of a stretch calling it a democracy.
posted on 12/9/22
I have no allegiance to any party, they've all done bad things, and good things.
Probably more bad on the Tory side based on recent events, but yeah, they're all cants at the end of the day.
posted on 12/9/22
comment by 🏴 (U9094)
posted 1 minute ago
The fact that you can be arrested for offending someone is absolutely ridiculous. Comedians better watch out.
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Yeah, I’m pretty sure that that copper is talking complete bollox. There’s no law I’m aware of that has criminalised offending people, purposefully or otherwise.
Unfortunately, there’s no law or protocol that requires police officers to tell members of the public the truth. Provided the prole in question wasn’t under caution - and he clearly wasn’t - I don’t think there’s even anything that would prevent a British bobby from knowingly lying about what might or might not constitute a criminal offence.
posted on 12/9/22
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 30 minutes ago
Diafol
I hope we are still cool, mate
Politics and religion, eh?
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Of course!
If you're ever around these parts be happy to have a trip down memory lane with you. Mu52 and Babyen also part of this road trip. Just don't mention religion and politics!
posted on 12/9/22
Another member of the public arrested, then de-arrested, under Section 5 of the Public Order Act. Handcuffed, stuffed in a van, driven home, and told to expect to hear from the police again in due course.
To be guilty under Section 5, he would need to be found to have used "threatening or abusive words or behaviour, or disorderly behaviour" or "displayed any writing, sign or other visible representation which is threatening or abusive”.
Stood in a crowd of people, here’s what he said:
“Who elected him?”
That’s it.
How is that threatening or abusive? The police are going to be in overdrive misusing their powers all week.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-62878954
posted on 12/9/22
comment by Marcus The Triumvir Antony (U10026)
posted 1 hour, 24 minutes ago
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Ignacio Varga (U11781)
posted 24 minutes ago
Where is he waving the sign in the policeman’s face here then Greg?
https://twitter.com/paulpowlesland/status/1569351772606550022?s=46&t=9RTk57zzxpdY3t6Mk6A0Uw
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I hope he got the copper’s badge number and files a complaint.
As far as I’m aware, if the sign isn’t threatening, abusive or insulting, he isn’t breaking the law.
‘Not My King’ is not threatening, abusive or insulting, and again, unless I’m very much mistaken, the lad had every right to stand in public holding a sign saying exactly that.
British democracy is in a lot of trouble, it really is.
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Bit of a stretch calling it a democracy.
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One of the most democratic countries on the planet, it's comments like these that make you appear so uneducated.
posted on 12/9/22
Still, at least on ja606 you can say what you want about the Queen, new King, the Monarchy and all is good.
Call them cuunts and nobody warned or arrested.
So even though we have an awful Tory government that is against free speech, we still have more than many/most countries around the world.
Something worth fighting for. So let's get rid of Liz.
posted on 12/9/22
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 24 minutes ago
Another member of the public arrested, then de-arrested, under Section 5 of the Public Order Act. Handcuffed, stuffed in a van, driven home, and told to expect to hear from the police again in due course.
To be guilty under Section 5, he would need to be found to have used "threatening or abusive words or behaviour, or disorderly behaviour" or "displayed any writing, sign or other visible representation which is threatening or abusive”.
Stood in a crowd of people, here’s what he said:
“Who elected him?”
That’s it.
How is that threatening or abusive? The police are going to be in overdrive misusing their powers all week.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-62878954
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It’s becoming like America.
posted on 12/9/22
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
comment by Boris John's Son (U1282)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Boris John's Son (U1282)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by GregUnited (U1192)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Ignacio Varga (U11781)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by GregUnited (U1192)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by Ignacio Varga (U11781)
posted 6 minutes ago
Just went to Parliament Square & held up a blank piece of paper. Officer came & asked for my details. He confirmed that if I wrote “Not My King” on it, he would arrest me under the Public Order Act because someone might be offended.
https://twitter.com/paulpowlesland/status/1569350005462564865?s=46&t=GjR-ebuREPq4jy4-zrJHDQ
This is what the nonce Tory voters and the monarchy kicking cuuunts have subjected this country to. We’ve become facking North Korea.
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This guy sounds like a right pr!ck though and just out to cause trouble for the sake of causing trouble.
Why is he holding up a blank sign, he is just looking for a response.
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He can do whatever the fack he wants within the law, and that’s exercising his freedom of speech. People like you are enabling this type of shiiit.
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Enabling what ?
He has deliberately gone out to get a response from somebody and by somebody I mean the police.
And then immeidate posts the reaction on twitter.
Why not just, not be a cant?
The amount of wanchors the police have to deal with on a daily basis, they don't need some clever tw@t wasting their time, which is exactly what this is.
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Hes not being a caaaant. He's trying to make a point and clearly some people are either too thick or too entrenched in their views to grasp that point. How you can conclude that he's doing it just to be a caaaant and to evoke a response is amazing to me.
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What point is he trying to make.
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That freedom of speech is under threat especially from this Tory government, among others.
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But he hasn't proved anything or been arrested. He should have had the courage of his convictions and written something abusive.
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Why would he do that? That's stoopid and he sounds anything but. I don't see any logical reasons to do that.He has absolutely proven something. I don't know how or why you can say he hasn't.
Also, writing something abusive is against the law. His intention was to prove his point, preferably without breaking the law and he was able to do just that.
This is actually a good way to protest.
posted on 12/9/22
comment by Marcus The Triumvir Antony (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 24 minutes ago
Another member of the public arrested, then de-arrested, under Section 5 of the Public Order Act. Handcuffed, stuffed in a van, driven home, and told to expect to hear from the police again in due course.
To be guilty under Section 5, he would need to be found to have used "threatening or abusive words or behaviour, or disorderly behaviour" or "displayed any writing, sign or other visible representation which is threatening or abusive”.
Stood in a crowd of people, here’s what he said:
“Who elected him?”
That’s it.
How is that threatening or abusive? The police are going to be in overdrive misusing their powers all week.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-62878954
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It’s becoming like America.
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Arresting and de arresting is just another way to stop, hinder or discourage people from expressing their views. The attack on freedom of speech is taking forms that most people just can't grasp or don't want to grasp, but you can fool some of the people some of the time, but not all the people all the time.
posted on 12/9/22
comment by Boris John's Son (U1282)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
comment by Boris John's Son (U1282)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Boris John's Son (U1282)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by GregUnited (U1192)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Ignacio Varga (U11781)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by GregUnited (U1192)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by Ignacio Varga (U11781)
posted 6 minutes ago
Just went to Parliament Square & held up a blank piece of paper. Officer came & asked for my details. He confirmed that if I wrote “Not My King” on it, he would arrest me under the Public Order Act because someone might be offended.
https://twitter.com/paulpowlesland/status/1569350005462564865?s=46&t=GjR-ebuREPq4jy4-zrJHDQ
This is what the nonce Tory voters and the monarchy kicking cuuunts have subjected this country to. We’ve become facking North Korea.
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This guy sounds like a right pr!ck though and just out to cause trouble for the sake of causing trouble.
Why is he holding up a blank sign, he is just looking for a response.
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He can do whatever the fack he wants within the law, and that’s exercising his freedom of speech. People like you are enabling this type of shiiit.
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Enabling what ?
He has deliberately gone out to get a response from somebody and by somebody I mean the police.
And then immeidate posts the reaction on twitter.
Why not just, not be a cant?
The amount of wanchors the police have to deal with on a daily basis, they don't need some clever tw@t wasting their time, which is exactly what this is.
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Hes not being a caaaant. He's trying to make a point and clearly some people are either too thick or too entrenched in their views to grasp that point. How you can conclude that he's doing it just to be a caaaant and to evoke a response is amazing to me.
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What point is he trying to make.
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That freedom of speech is under threat especially from this Tory government, among others.
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But he hasn't proved anything or been arrested. He should have had the courage of his convictions and written something abusive.
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Why would he do that? That's stoopid and he sounds anything but. I don't see any logical reasons to do that.He has absolutely proven something. I don't know how or why you can say he hasn't.
Also, writing something abusive is against the law. His intention was to prove his point, preferably without breaking the law and he was able to do just that.
This is actually a good way to protest.
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If you say so, but I don't agree. He said nothing, suggested something he might, then he would be arrested or not depending on the Bobby, then went away.
As a supporter of peaceful demonstrations I found this a weasily way of making a point, that didn't need making as everyone already knows.
posted on 12/9/22
I’m in two minds about these arrests. Well, no - if people are actually being arrested for peaceful protest, then that’s disgraceful and a step in the wrong direction.
However, I do kind of understand the police’s need to move them on. You wouldn’t stand by the side of an Orangeman’s parade singing Catholic songs, nor would you stand in the Kop in a United shirt and chanting ‘United’. If you did either, you’d expect a (probably violent) confrontation with the people vastly outnumbering you, or to be moved away by police or stewards. There’s nothing intrinsically offensive, of course, about saying ‘Who elected him?’ or ‘Not my king’, but in the context in which it’s being said, it absolutely is like to inflame and to lead to trouble.
But like I say, it’s pretty depressing to say the least if they’re actually arrested and charged.
posted on 12/9/22
comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 7 seconds ago
I’m in two minds about these arrests. Well, no - if people are actually being arrested for peaceful protest, then that’s disgraceful and a step in the wrong direction.
However, I do kind of understand the police’s need to move them on. You wouldn’t stand by the side of an Orangeman’s parade singing Catholic songs, nor would you stand in the Kop in a United shirt and chanting ‘United’. If you did either, you’d expect a (probably violent) confrontation with the people vastly outnumbering you, or to be moved away by police or stewards. There’s nothing intrinsically offensive, of course, about saying ‘Who elected him?’ or ‘Not my king’, but in the context in which it’s being said, it absolutely is like to inflame and to lead to trouble.
But like I say, it’s pretty depressing to say the least if they’re actually arrested and charged.
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Spot on Clockwork, moving away is the answer.
Free speech always has limits
posted on 12/9/22
He said nothing, suggested something he might, then he would be arrested or not depending on the Bobby, then went away.
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Brilliant if you think about it.
He demonstrated beyond a doubt what would happen to him if his sign said those words without his sign actually saying those words and their authoritarian laws can't touch him.
posted on 12/9/22
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 7 seconds ago
I’m in two minds about these arrests. Well, no - if people are actually being arrested for peaceful protest, then that’s disgraceful and a step in the wrong direction.
However, I do kind of understand the police’s need to move them on. You wouldn’t stand by the side of an Orangeman’s parade singing Catholic songs, nor would you stand in the Kop in a United shirt and chanting ‘United’. If you did either, you’d expect a (probably violent) confrontation with the people vastly outnumbering you, or to be moved away by police or stewards. There’s nothing intrinsically offensive, of course, about saying ‘Who elected him?’ or ‘Not my king’, but in the context in which it’s being said, it absolutely is like to inflame and to lead to trouble.
But like I say, it’s pretty depressing to say the least if they’re actually arrested and charged.
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Spot on Clockwork, moving away is the answer.
Free speech always has limits
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I'm quite surprised that there is a support for picketing funerals on here.
posted on 12/9/22
However, I do kind of understand the police’s need to move them on. You wouldn’t stand by the side of an Orangeman’s parade singing Catholic songs, nor would you stand in the Kop in a United shirt and chanting ‘United’. If you did either, you’d expect a (probably violent) confrontation with the people vastly outnumbering you, or to be moved away by police or stewards. There’s nothing intrinsically offensive, of course, about saying ‘Who elected him?’ or ‘Not my king’, but in the context in which it’s being said, it absolutely is like to inflame and to lead to trouble.
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Yeah, because of intolerance to contrary opinion. People are or should be allowed to support the monarchy without hindrance and by the same token they should be allowed to criticize without hindrance. No double standards.
Comparing politics with football or religious issues is a false point. Completely different backgrounds and impact. There is no negative from removing the United can from the kop and life doesn't depend on football. But limiting or hindering freedom of speech and expression can have far reaching consequences obviously.
You can't approach this issue the same way you approach policing of a football match. It's just not the same thing.
posted on 12/9/22
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 7 seconds ago
I’m in two minds about these arrests. Well, no - if people are actually being arrested for peaceful protest, then that’s disgraceful and a step in the wrong direction.
However, I do kind of understand the police’s need to move them on. You wouldn’t stand by the side of an Orangeman’s parade singing Catholic songs, nor would you stand in the Kop in a United shirt and chanting ‘United’. If you did either, you’d expect a (probably violent) confrontation with the people vastly outnumbering you, or to be moved away by police or stewards. There’s nothing intrinsically offensive, of course, about saying ‘Who elected him?’ or ‘Not my king’, but in the context in which it’s being said, it absolutely is like to inflame and to lead to trouble.
But like I say, it’s pretty depressing to say the least if they’re actually arrested and charged.
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Spot on Clockwork, moving away is the answer.
Free speech always has limits
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I'm quite surprised that there is a support for picketing funerals on here.
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You might not be a Tory but this is a typical Tory style argument. The funeral hasn't even happened yet and I don't see anyone supporting picketing at the funeral. Could you provide some examples?
As someone said, there are limits to all freedoms and I'd like to think anyone protesting at the actual funeral would be removed. Disturbing the peace at a funeral is an offence. Peaceful protesters following the law should not be touched.
posted on 12/9/22
comment by Boris John's Son (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
However, I do kind of understand the police’s need to move them on. You wouldn’t stand by the side of an Orangeman’s parade singing Catholic songs, nor would you stand in the Kop in a United shirt and chanting ‘United’. If you did either, you’d expect a (probably violent) confrontation with the people vastly outnumbering you, or to be moved away by police or stewards. There’s nothing intrinsically offensive, of course, about saying ‘Who elected him?’ or ‘Not my king’, but in the context in which it’s being said, it absolutely is like to inflame and to lead to trouble.
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Yeah, because of intolerance to contrary opinion. People are or should be allowed to support the monarchy without hindrance and by the same token they should be allowed to criticize without hindrance. No double standards.
Comparing politics with football or religious issues is a false point. Completely different backgrounds and impact. There is no negative from removing the United can from the kop and life doesn't depend on football. But limiting or hindering freedom of speech and expression can have far reaching consequences obviously.
You can't approach this issue the same way you approach policing of a football match. It's just not the same thing.
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I'm not comparing football or religion to politics. I'm comparing people potentially being beaten to a pulp to people potentially being beaten to a pulp - because regardless of what you or I think of the differences, that's probably what would happen in any of the situations I described.
To be clear, if there were a separate and large yet peaceful anti-monarchy protest and people were arrested, that would seem an unequivocal attack on freedom of speech. This, however unsavoury, may be more about keeping the peace.
posted on 12/9/22
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 7 seconds ago
I’m in two minds about these arrests. Well, no - if people are actually being arrested for peaceful protest, then that’s disgraceful and a step in the wrong direction.
However, I do kind of understand the police’s need to move them on. You wouldn’t stand by the side of an Orangeman’s parade singing Catholic songs, nor would you stand in the Kop in a United shirt and chanting ‘United’. If you did either, you’d expect a (probably violent) confrontation with the people vastly outnumbering you, or to be moved away by police or stewards. There’s nothing intrinsically offensive, of course, about saying ‘Who elected him?’ or ‘Not my king’, but in the context in which it’s being said, it absolutely is like to inflame and to lead to trouble.
But like I say, it’s pretty depressing to say the least if they’re actually arrested and charged.
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Spot on Clockwork, moving away is the answer.
Free speech always has limits
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I'm quite surprised that there is a support for picketing funerals on here.
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Another ridiculous straw man.
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