comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 52 seconds ago
If I met Charles when I was out walking or something I'd talk with him with the same respect as I would any other normal human. However, that's highly unlikely to happen because of the pedestal they're put on. In 2022 it's a pretty ridiculous thing really.
Like Babyen I'm miffed about William becoming Prince of Wales. It just smacks of being put in our place. I'm a republican but if we have to have a PoW then they should be Welsh, or at the very least, live here and speak the language.
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At least he worked in Anglesey. It's not much but better than nothing. More than Charles had I think
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 2 minutes ago
If I met Charles when I was out walking or something I'd talk with him with the same respect as I would any other normal human. However, that's highly unlikely to happen because of the pedestal they're put on. In 2022 it's a pretty ridiculous thing really.
Like Babyen I'm miffed about William becoming Prince of Wales. It just smacks of being put in our place. I'm a republican but if we have to have a PoW then they should be Welsh, or at the very least, live here and speak the language.
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You'll have independence soon so I can't imagine that the PoW will last. It's also not "being put in your place" it's a continuation of centuries of tradition.
With everything else, if the Welsh public voted to get rid of the price, he'd go.
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by Utopia - (U11662)
posted 8 minutes ago
Really? A Welshman? And proud by the sound of it, yet on this sad day still has the balls to denounce heritage and sovereignty?
You must be a true man United fan... After all.. they are a Welsh team or do you just choose, ad hock, what's right and wrong?
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Why is today specifically a sad day? Thursday I can understand. The day of her funeral I could understand, but why "this day"?
----------------------------------------------------------------------Well, today, but you probably won't have noticed, the Queen has made her final journey. Most of rest of the world has sat back and watched with admiration and respect.
Don't worry about it, it's nothing to you.
comment by Utopia - (U11662)
posted 13 minutes ago
Really? A Welshman? And proud by the sound of it, yet on this sad day still has the balls to denounce heritage and sovereignty?
You must be a true man United fan... After all.. they are a Welsh team or do you just choose, ad hock, what's right and wrong?
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Who’s sovereignty and heritage?
And what does United have to do with the royal family?
You’re talking nonsense.
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by Utopia - (U11662)
posted 8 minutes ago
Really? A Welshman? And proud by the sound of it, yet on this sad day still has the balls to denounce heritage and sovereignty?
You must be a true man United fan... After all.. they are a Welsh team or do you just choose, ad hock, what's right and wrong?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why is today specifically a sad day? Thursday I can understand. The day of her funeral I could understand, but why "this day"?
----------------------------------------------------------------------Well, today, but you probably won't have noticed, the Queen has made her final journey. Most of rest of the world has sat back and watched with admiration and respect.
Don't worry about it, it's nothing to you.
comment by 🏴 (U9094)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Utopia - (U11662)
posted 13 minutes ago
Really? A Welshman? And proud by the sound of it, yet on this sad day still has the balls to denounce heritage and sovereignty?
You must be a true man United fan... After all.. they are a Welsh team or do you just choose, ad hock, what's right and wrong?
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Who’s sovereignty and heritage?
And what does United have to do with the royal family?
You’re talking nonsense.
----------------------------------------------------------------------Well you're wanting to be very Welsh yet support an English team? A little subjective?
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 hour, 31 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Marcus The Triumvir Antony (U10026)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
The only way the UK Monarchy can be abolished - apart from the unlikely event of a People's Revolution, would be through an Act Of Parliament that has been read and voted through both Houses Of Parliament in the appropriate manner.
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52 seems to think it would be a simple act of ‘democracy’ to enact abolition. It’s far from that.
The first past the post system and the house of lords makes it very difficult to achieve, even if a majority of the actual population were to be in favour of it.
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Which they aren't, sort of making this moot.
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Surely the more interesting question is *why* are a majority of the populace seemingly delighted to have an unelected, wealthy & privileged upper class reigning over them (albeit in a fairly docile, non-interventionist way)?
Support for the very concept of a monarchy is one that has been promulgated, propagated & curated over a long, long period of time through subservient, fawning media & so on. It's very difficult to undo that level of damage inflicted upon a population (on any issue). It'll happen eventually; the 29% of the population who want abolition + the % of those who are polled as 'don't know' whether they're in favour or not will increase over time.
So I don't think there's any moot points to be had. I always think we have to examine why population X thinks/believes in issue/position Y.
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Or maybe it's possible that many millions of people see a benefit that the monarchy bring which you don't happen to agree with?
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Maybe, but I don't think the preponderance of evidence points that way. We have plenty of excellent studies on the insidious role and distorting nature of our print & broadcast corporate media on issue after after, and we have studies on the public's attitudes and understandings of issues and an interesting measure of outcomes.
When we put the two together we see a powerful, status quo serving media and a marginalised, poorly informed public on pretty much every issue.
Do we really expect that the public happen to be uniquely informed about the monarchy in a way in which they consistently show that they aren't on every other issue?
And given that we know that 30% of the population are in favour of abolition, it's fairly easy to observe that media coverage of the Royals in both print & broadcast reflects nothing close to that prevalence of attitudes. I'd be surprised if even 1% of Royal coverage reflected anti-monarchy positions. To give a concrete comparison, only 9% of BBC new coverage in the lead up the US/UK attack on Iraq featured anti-war positions, and public attitudes to the war in March 2003 were close to 50/50 for/against. That's a remarkable figure given the bombardment of pro-war coverage and voices levelled at the public everyday. Do we imagine that more serious journalism that offered a great deal more dissent would have yielded similar public opinion in March 2003? Obviously not.
The same is surely true here. Public attitudes are carefully curated through PR. Were our media actually servants of the public rather than an arm of power, we'd all be subjected to more dissenting views on the monarchy, and public opinion would likely be closer to majority-abolition as a result.
Or you can choose to believe that public support for the monarchy is magically manifest from some deep, reflective, critically thought out and well-informed public consciousness on the merits of the monarchy, in some wild deviation of the norm on literally every other issue... Does that seem remotely likely?
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But you can see through the insidious nature of the media because you are intelligent. Obviously I can't
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As much as my ego would like to pat itself on the back here, unfortunately that isn’t the case. The self-defence from propaganda is simply to *recognise it*. And recognising it only requires a fairly menial amount of reading & research. Once you know how it works & what it looks like, it can’t be unseen. And that’s equally true in some supposedly “free” & democratic societies (such as ours) as in more so-called totalitarian societies.
There’s so much excellent work that exposes systemic bias in media reporting that the only barrier to knowing this stuff is knowing where to look and bothering to spend some time on it. Again, as much as I’d love to take your compliment, it’s really not a question of intelligence!
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 2 minutes ago
If I met Charles when I was out walking or something I'd talk with him with the same respect as I would any other normal human. However, that's highly unlikely to happen because of the pedestal they're put on. In 2022 it's a pretty ridiculous thing really.
Like Babyen I'm miffed about William becoming Prince of Wales. It just smacks of being put in our place. I'm a republican but if we have to have a PoW then they should be Welsh, or at the very least, live here and speak the language.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You'll have independence soon so I can't imagine that the PoW will last. It's also not "being put in your place" it's a continuation of centuries of tradition.
With everything else, if the Welsh public voted to get rid of the price, he'd go.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It does smack of being put in our place. They have no Welsh heritage, so why bestow the title if POW on them?
It’s treating the Welsh as inferior, saying that they rule over us. That’s the symbolism is has.
That tradition exists because of annexation. It’s not hard to see why the Welsh find it unpalatable.
comment by 🏴 (U9094)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 2 minutes ago
If I met Charles when I was out walking or something I'd talk with him with the same respect as I would any other normal human. However, that's highly unlikely to happen because of the pedestal they're put on. In 2022 it's a pretty ridiculous thing really.
Like Babyen I'm miffed about William becoming Prince of Wales. It just smacks of being put in our place. I'm a republican but if we have to have a PoW then they should be Welsh, or at the very least, live here and speak the language.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You'll have independence soon so I can't imagine that the PoW will last. It's also not "being put in your place" it's a continuation of centuries of tradition.
With everything else, if the Welsh public voted to get rid of the price, he'd go.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It does smack of being put in our place. They have no Welsh heritage, so why bestow the title if POW on them?
It’s treating the Welsh as inferior, saying that they rule over us. That’s the symbolism is has.
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He does have Welsh heritage though?
Hopefully there will be a breakup of the UK anyway and you won't have to worry about it anymore.
comment by Utopia - (U11662)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by 🏴 (U9094)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Utopia - (U11662)
posted 13 minutes ago
Really? A Welshman? And proud by the sound of it, yet on this sad day still has the balls to denounce heritage and sovereignty?
You must be a true man United fan... After all.. they are a Welsh team or do you just choose, ad hock, what's right and wrong?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who’s sovereignty and heritage?
And what does United have to do with the royal family?
You’re talking nonsense.
----------------------------------------------------------------------Well you're wanting to be very Welsh yet support an English team? A little subjective?
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I have no issue with the English as times have moved on. I have an issue with the symbolism of the royal family and how they rule over Wales, a country the conquered, and treated their citizens as second class for centuries, trying to strip away their language and culture. Unless you have lived through it, you really can’t fully understand the depth of feelings about it. And don’t be fooled that this an ancient history thing, it isn’t. Even in my lifetime there has been an ongoing battle yo have us represented properly and equally.
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 hour, 31 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Marcus The Triumvir Antony (U10026)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
The only way the UK Monarchy can be abolished - apart from the unlikely event of a People's Revolution, would be through an Act Of Parliament that has been read and voted through both Houses Of Parliament in the appropriate manner.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
52 seems to think it would be a simple act of ‘democracy’ to enact abolition. It’s far from that.
The first past the post system and the house of lords makes it very difficult to achieve, even if a majority of the actual population were to be in favour of it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Which they aren't, sort of making this moot.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Surely the more interesting question is *why* are a majority of the populace seemingly delighted to have an unelected, wealthy & privileged upper class reigning over them (albeit in a fairly docile, non-interventionist way)?
Support for the very concept of a monarchy is one that has been promulgated, propagated & curated over a long, long period of time through subservient, fawning media & so on. It's very difficult to undo that level of damage inflicted upon a population (on any issue). It'll happen eventually; the 29% of the population who want abolition + the % of those who are polled as 'don't know' whether they're in favour or not will increase over time.
So I don't think there's any moot points to be had. I always think we have to examine why population X thinks/believes in issue/position Y.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Or maybe it's possible that many millions of people see a benefit that the monarchy bring which you don't happen to agree with?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Maybe, but I don't think the preponderance of evidence points that way. We have plenty of excellent studies on the insidious role and distorting nature of our print & broadcast corporate media on issue after after, and we have studies on the public's attitudes and understandings of issues and an interesting measure of outcomes.
When we put the two together we see a powerful, status quo serving media and a marginalised, poorly informed public on pretty much every issue.
Do we really expect that the public happen to be uniquely informed about the monarchy in a way in which they consistently show that they aren't on every other issue?
And given that we know that 30% of the population are in favour of abolition, it's fairly easy to observe that media coverage of the Royals in both print & broadcast reflects nothing close to that prevalence of attitudes. I'd be surprised if even 1% of Royal coverage reflected anti-monarchy positions. To give a concrete comparison, only 9% of BBC new coverage in the lead up the US/UK attack on Iraq featured anti-war positions, and public attitudes to the war in March 2003 were close to 50/50 for/against. That's a remarkable figure given the bombardment of pro-war coverage and voices levelled at the public everyday. Do we imagine that more serious journalism that offered a great deal more dissent would have yielded similar public opinion in March 2003? Obviously not.
The same is surely true here. Public attitudes are carefully curated through PR. Were our media actually servants of the public rather than an arm of power, we'd all be subjected to more dissenting views on the monarchy, and public opinion would likely be closer to majority-abolition as a result.
Or you can choose to believe that public support for the monarchy is magically manifest from some deep, reflective, critically thought out and well-informed public consciousness on the merits of the monarchy, in some wild deviation of the norm on literally every other issue... Does that seem remotely likely?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But you can see through the insidious nature of the media because you are intelligent. Obviously I can't
----------------------------------------------------------------------
As much as my ego would like to pat itself on the back here, unfortunately that isn’t the case. The self-defence from propaganda is simply to *recognise it*. And recognising it only requires a fairly menial amount of reading & research. Once you know how it works & what it looks like, it can’t be unseen. And that’s equally true in some supposedly “free” & democratic societies (such as ours) as in more so-called totalitarian societies.
There’s so much excellent work that exposes systemic bias in media reporting that the only barrier to knowing this stuff is knowing where to look and bothering to spend some time on it. Again, as much as I’d love to take your compliment, it’s really not a question of intelligence!
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My media consists of
The Guardian
The Telegraph
The Independent
The New York Times
Le Monde.
Only the first two are read properly most days. The others I tend to dive into every two or three days.
Of course there is bias, not often the first two agree.
But I think everyone has some bias and looks for evidence to back it up
comment by Utopia - (U11662)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by Utopia - (U11662)
posted 8 minutes ago
Really? A Welshman? And proud by the sound of it, yet on this sad day still has the balls to denounce heritage and sovereignty?
You must be a true man United fan... After all.. they are a Welsh team or do you just choose, ad hock, what's right and wrong?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why is today specifically a sad day? Thursday I can understand. The day of her funeral I could understand, but why "this day"?
----------------------------------------------------------------------Well, today, but you probably won't have noticed, the Queen has made her final journey. Most of rest of the world has sat back and watched with admiration and respect.
Don't worry about it, it's nothing to you.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nothing to me either, I'm not participating in the official ten days of mourning and grief.
comment by The Post Nearly Man (U1270)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Utopia - (U11662)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by Utopia - (U11662)
posted 8 minutes ago
Really? A Welshman? And proud by the sound of it, yet on this sad day still has the balls to denounce heritage and sovereignty?
You must be a true man United fan... After all.. they are a Welsh team or do you just choose, ad hock, what's right and wrong?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why is today specifically a sad day? Thursday I can understand. The day of her funeral I could understand, but why "this day"?
----------------------------------------------------------------------Well, today, but you probably won't have noticed, the Queen has made her final journey. Most of rest of the world has sat back and watched with admiration and respect.
Don't worry about it, it's nothing to you.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nothing to me either, I'm not participating in the official ten days of mourning and grief.
----------------------------------------------------------------------in pleased for you, bless your ignorance
comment by The Post Nearly Man (U1270)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Utopia - (U11662)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by Utopia - (U11662)
posted 8 minutes ago
Really? A Welshman? And proud by the sound of it, yet on this sad day still has the balls to denounce heritage and sovereignty?
You must be a true man United fan... After all.. they are a Welsh team or do you just choose, ad hock, what's right and wrong?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why is today specifically a sad day? Thursday I can understand. The day of her funeral I could understand, but why "this day"?
----------------------------------------------------------------------Well, today, but you probably won't have noticed, the Queen has made her final journey. Most of rest of the world has sat back and watched with admiration and respect.
Don't worry about it, it's nothing to you.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nothing to me either, I'm not participating in the official ten days of mourning and grief.
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I'm with you. I'm just bemused that this Utopia guy thinks its nothing to do with me.
Scottish born and bred. Lived in Canada for ages which is a constitutional monarchy (guess who the monarch is)
So it does affect me. Fvkin news channels on about repetitively 24/7.
comment by 🏴 (U9094)
posted 6 hours, 8 minutes ago
True story, I met Charles not long ago. I refused to shake his hand. I got a bit of a dressing down from my superiors for that. My response was that it wasn’t in my job description to shake a person’s hand because society says that I should.
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We shall fight them on the beaches Babyern
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 19 minutes ago
He does have Welsh heritage though?
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WHat, his Da was the PoW?
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 4 hours, 27 minutes ago
comment by Boca Seniors (U19731)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 hour, 23 minutes ago
comment by TBW - No Mercy (U6489)
posted 38 seconds ago
Some examples of countries with a monarchy.
Thailand
Morocco
Cambodia
Malaysia
Some examples of countries without a monarchy:
France
Germany
Italy
Fun to make lists
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That's why I said it was selective. And that having a monarchy is no indication of success or happiness.
By the way, we have two Moroccan friends who live in Casablanca, they like the King
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The majority hate the facking clown especially his dead father.
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Do they? How do you know? Just interested, nothing to do with the article. He seems quite go-ahead to an outsider. My other half, who is French and the reason I live here, is going to stay with them for a week or so, I'll ask her to canvas a few opinions
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I was born in the Netherlands but my parents are Moroccan.
The ancestors of the current monarchy in Morocco have a bloody history. They took black Africans from other African countries as slaves and sold them to the Portuguese, Spanish and English.
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 19 minutes ago
He does have Welsh heritage though?
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WHat, his Da was the PoW?
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comment by Utopia - (U11662)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man (U1270)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Utopia - (U11662)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by Utopia - (U11662)
posted 8 minutes ago
Really? A Welshman? And proud by the sound of it, yet on this sad day still has the balls to denounce heritage and sovereignty?
You must be a true man United fan... After all.. they are a Welsh team or do you just choose, ad hock, what's right and wrong?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why is today specifically a sad day? Thursday I can understand. The day of her funeral I could understand, but why "this day"?
----------------------------------------------------------------------Well, today, but you probably won't have noticed, the Queen has made her final journey. Most of rest of the world has sat back and watched with admiration and respect.
Don't worry about it, it's nothing to you.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nothing to me either, I'm not participating in the official ten days of mourning and grief.
----------------------------------------------------------------------in pleased for you, bless your ignorance
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I don't think you know what 'ignorance' means, judging by the context you just used it in.
comment by Shinjury list (U1700)
posted 4 hours, 54 minutes ago
How many shook his hand Babyen? And did anyone say, afterwards, that they wished they hadn't as well?
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Everyone mate apparently he had Covid
comment by 🏴 (U9094)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 2 minutes ago
If I met Charles when I was out walking or something I'd talk with him with the same respect as I would any other normal human. However, that's highly unlikely to happen because of the pedestal they're put on. In 2022 it's a pretty ridiculous thing really.
Like Babyen I'm miffed about William becoming Prince of Wales. It just smacks of being put in our place. I'm a republican but if we have to have a PoW then they should be Welsh, or at the very least, live here and speak the language.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You'll have independence soon so I can't imagine that the PoW will last. It's also not "being put in your place" it's a continuation of centuries of tradition.
With everything else, if the Welsh public voted to get rid of the price, he'd go.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It does smack of being put in our place. They have no Welsh heritage, so why bestow the title if POW on them?
It’s treating the Welsh as inferior, saying that they rule over us. That’s the symbolism is has.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Feel fortunate - they gave Edinburgh a Greek!
TBF they are open in admitting all these titles and patronages are scraps carefully distributed and thrown to 'the regions' as part of the make believe that everyone is equal. Well documented how much so many of them hate Balmoral and the duty of going there every summer to continue the pretence.
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by 🏴 (U9094)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 2 minutes ago
If I met Charles when I was out walking or something I'd talk with him with the same respect as I would any other normal human. However, that's highly unlikely to happen because of the pedestal they're put on. In 2022 it's a pretty ridiculous thing really.
Like Babyen I'm miffed about William becoming Prince of Wales. It just smacks of being put in our place. I'm a republican but if we have to have a PoW then they should be Welsh, or at the very least, live here and speak the language.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You'll have independence soon so I can't imagine that the PoW will last. It's also not "being put in your place" it's a continuation of centuries of tradition.
With everything else, if the Welsh public voted to get rid of the price, he'd go.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It does smack of being put in our place. They have no Welsh heritage, so why bestow the title if POW on them?
It’s treating the Welsh as inferior, saying that they rule over us. That’s the symbolism is has.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Feel fortunate - they gave Edinburgh a Greek!
TBF they are open in admitting all these titles and patronages are scraps carefully distributed and thrown to 'the regions' as part of the make believe that everyone is equal. Well documented how much so many of them hate Balmoral and the duty of going there every summer to continue the pretence.
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I've ready literally the opposite and frankly Balmoral and Scotland was the queen's favourite place to be, shame with Charles.
I think that's me done for the evening, so much fabrication on this damn forum.
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by 🏴 (U9094)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 2 minutes ago
If I met Charles when I was out walking or something I'd talk with him with the same respect as I would any other normal human. However, that's highly unlikely to happen because of the pedestal they're put on. In 2022 it's a pretty ridiculous thing really.
Like Babyen I'm miffed about William becoming Prince of Wales. It just smacks of being put in our place. I'm a republican but if we have to have a PoW then they should be Welsh, or at the very least, live here and speak the language.
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You'll have independence soon so I can't imagine that the PoW will last. It's also not "being put in your place" it's a continuation of centuries of tradition.
With everything else, if the Welsh public voted to get rid of the price, he'd go.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It does smack of being put in our place. They have no Welsh heritage, so why bestow the title if POW on them?
It’s treating the Welsh as inferior, saying that they rule over us. That’s the symbolism is has.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Feel fortunate - they gave Edinburgh a Greek!
TBF they are open in admitting all these titles and patronages are scraps carefully distributed and thrown to 'the regions' as part of the make believe that everyone is equal. Well documented how much so many of them hate Balmoral and the duty of going there every summer to continue the pretence.
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I've ready literally the opposite and frankly Balmoral and Scotland was the queen's favourite place to be, shame with Charles.
I think that's me done for the evening, so much fabrication on this damn forum.
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I think the sarcasm went over your head. Probably best you call it a night to be honest.
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 19 minutes ago
He does have Welsh heritage though?
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WHat, his Da was the PoW?
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posted on 11/9/22
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 52 seconds ago
If I met Charles when I was out walking or something I'd talk with him with the same respect as I would any other normal human. However, that's highly unlikely to happen because of the pedestal they're put on. In 2022 it's a pretty ridiculous thing really.
Like Babyen I'm miffed about William becoming Prince of Wales. It just smacks of being put in our place. I'm a republican but if we have to have a PoW then they should be Welsh, or at the very least, live here and speak the language.
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At least he worked in Anglesey. It's not much but better than nothing. More than Charles had I think
posted on 11/9/22
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 2 minutes ago
If I met Charles when I was out walking or something I'd talk with him with the same respect as I would any other normal human. However, that's highly unlikely to happen because of the pedestal they're put on. In 2022 it's a pretty ridiculous thing really.
Like Babyen I'm miffed about William becoming Prince of Wales. It just smacks of being put in our place. I'm a republican but if we have to have a PoW then they should be Welsh, or at the very least, live here and speak the language.
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You'll have independence soon so I can't imagine that the PoW will last. It's also not "being put in your place" it's a continuation of centuries of tradition.
With everything else, if the Welsh public voted to get rid of the price, he'd go.
posted on 11/9/22
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by Utopia - (U11662)
posted 8 minutes ago
Really? A Welshman? And proud by the sound of it, yet on this sad day still has the balls to denounce heritage and sovereignty?
You must be a true man United fan... After all.. they are a Welsh team or do you just choose, ad hock, what's right and wrong?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why is today specifically a sad day? Thursday I can understand. The day of her funeral I could understand, but why "this day"?
----------------------------------------------------------------------Well, today, but you probably won't have noticed, the Queen has made her final journey. Most of rest of the world has sat back and watched with admiration and respect.
Don't worry about it, it's nothing to you.
posted on 11/9/22
comment by Utopia - (U11662)
posted 13 minutes ago
Really? A Welshman? And proud by the sound of it, yet on this sad day still has the balls to denounce heritage and sovereignty?
You must be a true man United fan... After all.. they are a Welsh team or do you just choose, ad hock, what's right and wrong?
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Who’s sovereignty and heritage?
And what does United have to do with the royal family?
You’re talking nonsense.
posted on 11/9/22
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by Utopia - (U11662)
posted 8 minutes ago
Really? A Welshman? And proud by the sound of it, yet on this sad day still has the balls to denounce heritage and sovereignty?
You must be a true man United fan... After all.. they are a Welsh team or do you just choose, ad hock, what's right and wrong?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why is today specifically a sad day? Thursday I can understand. The day of her funeral I could understand, but why "this day"?
----------------------------------------------------------------------Well, today, but you probably won't have noticed, the Queen has made her final journey. Most of rest of the world has sat back and watched with admiration and respect.
Don't worry about it, it's nothing to you.
posted on 11/9/22
comment by 🏴 (U9094)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Utopia - (U11662)
posted 13 minutes ago
Really? A Welshman? And proud by the sound of it, yet on this sad day still has the balls to denounce heritage and sovereignty?
You must be a true man United fan... After all.. they are a Welsh team or do you just choose, ad hock, what's right and wrong?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who’s sovereignty and heritage?
And what does United have to do with the royal family?
You’re talking nonsense.
----------------------------------------------------------------------Well you're wanting to be very Welsh yet support an English team? A little subjective?
posted on 11/9/22
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 hour, 31 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Marcus The Triumvir Antony (U10026)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
The only way the UK Monarchy can be abolished - apart from the unlikely event of a People's Revolution, would be through an Act Of Parliament that has been read and voted through both Houses Of Parliament in the appropriate manner.
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52 seems to think it would be a simple act of ‘democracy’ to enact abolition. It’s far from that.
The first past the post system and the house of lords makes it very difficult to achieve, even if a majority of the actual population were to be in favour of it.
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Which they aren't, sort of making this moot.
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Surely the more interesting question is *why* are a majority of the populace seemingly delighted to have an unelected, wealthy & privileged upper class reigning over them (albeit in a fairly docile, non-interventionist way)?
Support for the very concept of a monarchy is one that has been promulgated, propagated & curated over a long, long period of time through subservient, fawning media & so on. It's very difficult to undo that level of damage inflicted upon a population (on any issue). It'll happen eventually; the 29% of the population who want abolition + the % of those who are polled as 'don't know' whether they're in favour or not will increase over time.
So I don't think there's any moot points to be had. I always think we have to examine why population X thinks/believes in issue/position Y.
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Or maybe it's possible that many millions of people see a benefit that the monarchy bring which you don't happen to agree with?
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Maybe, but I don't think the preponderance of evidence points that way. We have plenty of excellent studies on the insidious role and distorting nature of our print & broadcast corporate media on issue after after, and we have studies on the public's attitudes and understandings of issues and an interesting measure of outcomes.
When we put the two together we see a powerful, status quo serving media and a marginalised, poorly informed public on pretty much every issue.
Do we really expect that the public happen to be uniquely informed about the monarchy in a way in which they consistently show that they aren't on every other issue?
And given that we know that 30% of the population are in favour of abolition, it's fairly easy to observe that media coverage of the Royals in both print & broadcast reflects nothing close to that prevalence of attitudes. I'd be surprised if even 1% of Royal coverage reflected anti-monarchy positions. To give a concrete comparison, only 9% of BBC new coverage in the lead up the US/UK attack on Iraq featured anti-war positions, and public attitudes to the war in March 2003 were close to 50/50 for/against. That's a remarkable figure given the bombardment of pro-war coverage and voices levelled at the public everyday. Do we imagine that more serious journalism that offered a great deal more dissent would have yielded similar public opinion in March 2003? Obviously not.
The same is surely true here. Public attitudes are carefully curated through PR. Were our media actually servants of the public rather than an arm of power, we'd all be subjected to more dissenting views on the monarchy, and public opinion would likely be closer to majority-abolition as a result.
Or you can choose to believe that public support for the monarchy is magically manifest from some deep, reflective, critically thought out and well-informed public consciousness on the merits of the monarchy, in some wild deviation of the norm on literally every other issue... Does that seem remotely likely?
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But you can see through the insidious nature of the media because you are intelligent. Obviously I can't
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As much as my ego would like to pat itself on the back here, unfortunately that isn’t the case. The self-defence from propaganda is simply to *recognise it*. And recognising it only requires a fairly menial amount of reading & research. Once you know how it works & what it looks like, it can’t be unseen. And that’s equally true in some supposedly “free” & democratic societies (such as ours) as in more so-called totalitarian societies.
There’s so much excellent work that exposes systemic bias in media reporting that the only barrier to knowing this stuff is knowing where to look and bothering to spend some time on it. Again, as much as I’d love to take your compliment, it’s really not a question of intelligence!
posted on 11/9/22
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 2 minutes ago
If I met Charles when I was out walking or something I'd talk with him with the same respect as I would any other normal human. However, that's highly unlikely to happen because of the pedestal they're put on. In 2022 it's a pretty ridiculous thing really.
Like Babyen I'm miffed about William becoming Prince of Wales. It just smacks of being put in our place. I'm a republican but if we have to have a PoW then they should be Welsh, or at the very least, live here and speak the language.
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You'll have independence soon so I can't imagine that the PoW will last. It's also not "being put in your place" it's a continuation of centuries of tradition.
With everything else, if the Welsh public voted to get rid of the price, he'd go.
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It does smack of being put in our place. They have no Welsh heritage, so why bestow the title if POW on them?
It’s treating the Welsh as inferior, saying that they rule over us. That’s the symbolism is has.
posted on 11/9/22
That tradition exists because of annexation. It’s not hard to see why the Welsh find it unpalatable.
posted on 11/9/22
comment by 🏴 (U9094)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 2 minutes ago
If I met Charles when I was out walking or something I'd talk with him with the same respect as I would any other normal human. However, that's highly unlikely to happen because of the pedestal they're put on. In 2022 it's a pretty ridiculous thing really.
Like Babyen I'm miffed about William becoming Prince of Wales. It just smacks of being put in our place. I'm a republican but if we have to have a PoW then they should be Welsh, or at the very least, live here and speak the language.
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You'll have independence soon so I can't imagine that the PoW will last. It's also not "being put in your place" it's a continuation of centuries of tradition.
With everything else, if the Welsh public voted to get rid of the price, he'd go.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It does smack of being put in our place. They have no Welsh heritage, so why bestow the title if POW on them?
It’s treating the Welsh as inferior, saying that they rule over us. That’s the symbolism is has.
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He does have Welsh heritage though?
Hopefully there will be a breakup of the UK anyway and you won't have to worry about it anymore.
posted on 11/9/22
comment by Utopia - (U11662)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by 🏴 (U9094)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Utopia - (U11662)
posted 13 minutes ago
Really? A Welshman? And proud by the sound of it, yet on this sad day still has the balls to denounce heritage and sovereignty?
You must be a true man United fan... After all.. they are a Welsh team or do you just choose, ad hock, what's right and wrong?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who’s sovereignty and heritage?
And what does United have to do with the royal family?
You’re talking nonsense.
----------------------------------------------------------------------Well you're wanting to be very Welsh yet support an English team? A little subjective?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I have no issue with the English as times have moved on. I have an issue with the symbolism of the royal family and how they rule over Wales, a country the conquered, and treated their citizens as second class for centuries, trying to strip away their language and culture. Unless you have lived through it, you really can’t fully understand the depth of feelings about it. And don’t be fooled that this an ancient history thing, it isn’t. Even in my lifetime there has been an ongoing battle yo have us represented properly and equally.
posted on 11/9/22
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 hour, 31 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Marcus The Triumvir Antony (U10026)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
The only way the UK Monarchy can be abolished - apart from the unlikely event of a People's Revolution, would be through an Act Of Parliament that has been read and voted through both Houses Of Parliament in the appropriate manner.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
52 seems to think it would be a simple act of ‘democracy’ to enact abolition. It’s far from that.
The first past the post system and the house of lords makes it very difficult to achieve, even if a majority of the actual population were to be in favour of it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Which they aren't, sort of making this moot.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Surely the more interesting question is *why* are a majority of the populace seemingly delighted to have an unelected, wealthy & privileged upper class reigning over them (albeit in a fairly docile, non-interventionist way)?
Support for the very concept of a monarchy is one that has been promulgated, propagated & curated over a long, long period of time through subservient, fawning media & so on. It's very difficult to undo that level of damage inflicted upon a population (on any issue). It'll happen eventually; the 29% of the population who want abolition + the % of those who are polled as 'don't know' whether they're in favour or not will increase over time.
So I don't think there's any moot points to be had. I always think we have to examine why population X thinks/believes in issue/position Y.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Or maybe it's possible that many millions of people see a benefit that the monarchy bring which you don't happen to agree with?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Maybe, but I don't think the preponderance of evidence points that way. We have plenty of excellent studies on the insidious role and distorting nature of our print & broadcast corporate media on issue after after, and we have studies on the public's attitudes and understandings of issues and an interesting measure of outcomes.
When we put the two together we see a powerful, status quo serving media and a marginalised, poorly informed public on pretty much every issue.
Do we really expect that the public happen to be uniquely informed about the monarchy in a way in which they consistently show that they aren't on every other issue?
And given that we know that 30% of the population are in favour of abolition, it's fairly easy to observe that media coverage of the Royals in both print & broadcast reflects nothing close to that prevalence of attitudes. I'd be surprised if even 1% of Royal coverage reflected anti-monarchy positions. To give a concrete comparison, only 9% of BBC new coverage in the lead up the US/UK attack on Iraq featured anti-war positions, and public attitudes to the war in March 2003 were close to 50/50 for/against. That's a remarkable figure given the bombardment of pro-war coverage and voices levelled at the public everyday. Do we imagine that more serious journalism that offered a great deal more dissent would have yielded similar public opinion in March 2003? Obviously not.
The same is surely true here. Public attitudes are carefully curated through PR. Were our media actually servants of the public rather than an arm of power, we'd all be subjected to more dissenting views on the monarchy, and public opinion would likely be closer to majority-abolition as a result.
Or you can choose to believe that public support for the monarchy is magically manifest from some deep, reflective, critically thought out and well-informed public consciousness on the merits of the monarchy, in some wild deviation of the norm on literally every other issue... Does that seem remotely likely?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But you can see through the insidious nature of the media because you are intelligent. Obviously I can't
----------------------------------------------------------------------
As much as my ego would like to pat itself on the back here, unfortunately that isn’t the case. The self-defence from propaganda is simply to *recognise it*. And recognising it only requires a fairly menial amount of reading & research. Once you know how it works & what it looks like, it can’t be unseen. And that’s equally true in some supposedly “free” & democratic societies (such as ours) as in more so-called totalitarian societies.
There’s so much excellent work that exposes systemic bias in media reporting that the only barrier to knowing this stuff is knowing where to look and bothering to spend some time on it. Again, as much as I’d love to take your compliment, it’s really not a question of intelligence!
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My media consists of
The Guardian
The Telegraph
The Independent
The New York Times
Le Monde.
Only the first two are read properly most days. The others I tend to dive into every two or three days.
Of course there is bias, not often the first two agree.
But I think everyone has some bias and looks for evidence to back it up
posted on 11/9/22
comment by Utopia - (U11662)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by Utopia - (U11662)
posted 8 minutes ago
Really? A Welshman? And proud by the sound of it, yet on this sad day still has the balls to denounce heritage and sovereignty?
You must be a true man United fan... After all.. they are a Welsh team or do you just choose, ad hock, what's right and wrong?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why is today specifically a sad day? Thursday I can understand. The day of her funeral I could understand, but why "this day"?
----------------------------------------------------------------------Well, today, but you probably won't have noticed, the Queen has made her final journey. Most of rest of the world has sat back and watched with admiration and respect.
Don't worry about it, it's nothing to you.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nothing to me either, I'm not participating in the official ten days of mourning and grief.
posted on 11/9/22
comment by The Post Nearly Man (U1270)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Utopia - (U11662)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by Utopia - (U11662)
posted 8 minutes ago
Really? A Welshman? And proud by the sound of it, yet on this sad day still has the balls to denounce heritage and sovereignty?
You must be a true man United fan... After all.. they are a Welsh team or do you just choose, ad hock, what's right and wrong?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why is today specifically a sad day? Thursday I can understand. The day of her funeral I could understand, but why "this day"?
----------------------------------------------------------------------Well, today, but you probably won't have noticed, the Queen has made her final journey. Most of rest of the world has sat back and watched with admiration and respect.
Don't worry about it, it's nothing to you.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nothing to me either, I'm not participating in the official ten days of mourning and grief.
----------------------------------------------------------------------in pleased for you, bless your ignorance
posted on 11/9/22
comment by The Post Nearly Man (U1270)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Utopia - (U11662)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by Utopia - (U11662)
posted 8 minutes ago
Really? A Welshman? And proud by the sound of it, yet on this sad day still has the balls to denounce heritage and sovereignty?
You must be a true man United fan... After all.. they are a Welsh team or do you just choose, ad hock, what's right and wrong?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why is today specifically a sad day? Thursday I can understand. The day of her funeral I could understand, but why "this day"?
----------------------------------------------------------------------Well, today, but you probably won't have noticed, the Queen has made her final journey. Most of rest of the world has sat back and watched with admiration and respect.
Don't worry about it, it's nothing to you.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nothing to me either, I'm not participating in the official ten days of mourning and grief.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm with you. I'm just bemused that this Utopia guy thinks its nothing to do with me.
Scottish born and bred. Lived in Canada for ages which is a constitutional monarchy (guess who the monarch is)
So it does affect me. Fvkin news channels on about repetitively 24/7.
posted on 11/9/22
comment by 🏴 (U9094)
posted 6 hours, 8 minutes ago
True story, I met Charles not long ago. I refused to shake his hand. I got a bit of a dressing down from my superiors for that. My response was that it wasn’t in my job description to shake a person’s hand because society says that I should.
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We shall fight them on the beaches Babyern
posted on 11/9/22
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 19 minutes ago
He does have Welsh heritage though?
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WHat, his Da was the PoW?
posted on 11/9/22
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 4 hours, 27 minutes ago
comment by Boca Seniors (U19731)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 hour, 23 minutes ago
comment by TBW - No Mercy (U6489)
posted 38 seconds ago
Some examples of countries with a monarchy.
Thailand
Morocco
Cambodia
Malaysia
Some examples of countries without a monarchy:
France
Germany
Italy
Fun to make lists
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That's why I said it was selective. And that having a monarchy is no indication of success or happiness.
By the way, we have two Moroccan friends who live in Casablanca, they like the King
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The majority hate the facking clown especially his dead father.
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Do they? How do you know? Just interested, nothing to do with the article. He seems quite go-ahead to an outsider. My other half, who is French and the reason I live here, is going to stay with them for a week or so, I'll ask her to canvas a few opinions
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I was born in the Netherlands but my parents are Moroccan.
The ancestors of the current monarchy in Morocco have a bloody history. They took black Africans from other African countries as slaves and sold them to the Portuguese, Spanish and English.
posted on 11/9/22
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 19 minutes ago
He does have Welsh heritage though?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
WHat, his Da was the PoW?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
posted on 11/9/22
comment by Utopia - (U11662)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man (U1270)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Utopia - (U11662)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by Utopia - (U11662)
posted 8 minutes ago
Really? A Welshman? And proud by the sound of it, yet on this sad day still has the balls to denounce heritage and sovereignty?
You must be a true man United fan... After all.. they are a Welsh team or do you just choose, ad hock, what's right and wrong?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why is today specifically a sad day? Thursday I can understand. The day of her funeral I could understand, but why "this day"?
----------------------------------------------------------------------Well, today, but you probably won't have noticed, the Queen has made her final journey. Most of rest of the world has sat back and watched with admiration and respect.
Don't worry about it, it's nothing to you.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nothing to me either, I'm not participating in the official ten days of mourning and grief.
----------------------------------------------------------------------in pleased for you, bless your ignorance
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I don't think you know what 'ignorance' means, judging by the context you just used it in.
posted on 11/9/22
comment by Shinjury list (U1700)
posted 4 hours, 54 minutes ago
How many shook his hand Babyen? And did anyone say, afterwards, that they wished they hadn't as well?
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Everyone mate apparently he had Covid
posted on 11/9/22
comment by 🏴 (U9094)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 2 minutes ago
If I met Charles when I was out walking or something I'd talk with him with the same respect as I would any other normal human. However, that's highly unlikely to happen because of the pedestal they're put on. In 2022 it's a pretty ridiculous thing really.
Like Babyen I'm miffed about William becoming Prince of Wales. It just smacks of being put in our place. I'm a republican but if we have to have a PoW then they should be Welsh, or at the very least, live here and speak the language.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You'll have independence soon so I can't imagine that the PoW will last. It's also not "being put in your place" it's a continuation of centuries of tradition.
With everything else, if the Welsh public voted to get rid of the price, he'd go.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It does smack of being put in our place. They have no Welsh heritage, so why bestow the title if POW on them?
It’s treating the Welsh as inferior, saying that they rule over us. That’s the symbolism is has.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Feel fortunate - they gave Edinburgh a Greek!
TBF they are open in admitting all these titles and patronages are scraps carefully distributed and thrown to 'the regions' as part of the make believe that everyone is equal. Well documented how much so many of them hate Balmoral and the duty of going there every summer to continue the pretence.
posted on 11/9/22
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by 🏴 (U9094)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 2 minutes ago
If I met Charles when I was out walking or something I'd talk with him with the same respect as I would any other normal human. However, that's highly unlikely to happen because of the pedestal they're put on. In 2022 it's a pretty ridiculous thing really.
Like Babyen I'm miffed about William becoming Prince of Wales. It just smacks of being put in our place. I'm a republican but if we have to have a PoW then they should be Welsh, or at the very least, live here and speak the language.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You'll have independence soon so I can't imagine that the PoW will last. It's also not "being put in your place" it's a continuation of centuries of tradition.
With everything else, if the Welsh public voted to get rid of the price, he'd go.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It does smack of being put in our place. They have no Welsh heritage, so why bestow the title if POW on them?
It’s treating the Welsh as inferior, saying that they rule over us. That’s the symbolism is has.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Feel fortunate - they gave Edinburgh a Greek!
TBF they are open in admitting all these titles and patronages are scraps carefully distributed and thrown to 'the regions' as part of the make believe that everyone is equal. Well documented how much so many of them hate Balmoral and the duty of going there every summer to continue the pretence.
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I've ready literally the opposite and frankly Balmoral and Scotland was the queen's favourite place to be, shame with Charles.
I think that's me done for the evening, so much fabrication on this damn forum.
posted on 11/9/22
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by 🏴 (U9094)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 2 minutes ago
If I met Charles when I was out walking or something I'd talk with him with the same respect as I would any other normal human. However, that's highly unlikely to happen because of the pedestal they're put on. In 2022 it's a pretty ridiculous thing really.
Like Babyen I'm miffed about William becoming Prince of Wales. It just smacks of being put in our place. I'm a republican but if we have to have a PoW then they should be Welsh, or at the very least, live here and speak the language.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You'll have independence soon so I can't imagine that the PoW will last. It's also not "being put in your place" it's a continuation of centuries of tradition.
With everything else, if the Welsh public voted to get rid of the price, he'd go.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It does smack of being put in our place. They have no Welsh heritage, so why bestow the title if POW on them?
It’s treating the Welsh as inferior, saying that they rule over us. That’s the symbolism is has.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Feel fortunate - they gave Edinburgh a Greek!
TBF they are open in admitting all these titles and patronages are scraps carefully distributed and thrown to 'the regions' as part of the make believe that everyone is equal. Well documented how much so many of them hate Balmoral and the duty of going there every summer to continue the pretence.
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I've ready literally the opposite and frankly Balmoral and Scotland was the queen's favourite place to be, shame with Charles.
I think that's me done for the evening, so much fabrication on this damn forum.
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I think the sarcasm went over your head. Probably best you call it a night to be honest.
posted on 11/9/22
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 19 minutes ago
He does have Welsh heritage though?
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WHat, his Da was the PoW?
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