comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by Jalisco Red - The Axis of Ant[h]ony (U4195)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Jalisco Red - The Axis of Ant[h]ony (U4195)
posted 1 hour, 24 minutes ago
comment by Clogfack (U1250)
posted 8 minutes ago
You left out Feyenoord. 1969 Dutch champions and 1970 European Cup winners.
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This is just the CL though.
Every team who won the European Cup won their own league the season before. That was how you qualified then.
But the tournament was generally weak, so winners can't really be considered True European Champions.
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Utd should be on 1 then by that metric. They didn’t win the league in 97/98
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I agree, but I didn't want to question Barry's methodology. I'm sure there's some kind of loophole.
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I did question it and my comment was deleted!
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Classic Culer
comment by Jalisco Red - The Axis of Ant[h]ony (U4195)
posted 3 hours, 4 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 19 minutes ago
Why in fack would Rangers be mentioned in any thread about being European champions except in the context of their recently bestowed honour?
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This thread is about the CL, so Rangers' failures are every bit as noteworthy as Celtic's
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Meh, Celtic won it when it was football not moneyball.
I don't agree with European Championship 3rd placed
qualifying teams having a play-off chance to join the Europa League. They had their chance and fluffed it. If you lose in the FA Cup you don't get another chance in the FA Trophy. Just a EUFA money-making exercise.
comment by goadocwatson (U1016)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
I don't agree with European Championship 3rd placed
qualifying teams having a play-off chance to join the Europa League. They had their chance and fluffed it. If you lose in the FA Cup you don't get another chance in the FA Trophy. Just a EUFA money-making exercise.
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The whole thing stinks, Champions League should just be champions but that would hit the UEFA money train. They have a vested interest in the big teams from Western Europe getting through to the last 16 because it brings £££££££££
comment by bomdia (U13941)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by goadocwatson (U1016)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
I don't agree with European Championship 3rd placed
qualifying teams having a play-off chance to join the Europa League. They had their chance and fluffed it. If you lose in the FA Cup you don't get another chance in the FA Trophy. Just a EUFA money-making exercise.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The whole thing stinks, Champions League should just be champions but that would hit the UEFA money train. They have a vested interest in the big teams from Western Europe getting through to the last 16 because it brings £££££££££
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Should it though? The team who have won four of the last five PL's haven't won it, yet the teams who finished second and fourth won the CL two times in the last five CL's.
Makes for a better CL having more top teams in it, in my opinion.
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
comment by bomdia (U13941)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by goadocwatson (U1016)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
I don't agree with European Championship 3rd placed
qualifying teams having a play-off chance to join the Europa League. They had their chance and fluffed it. If you lose in the FA Cup you don't get another chance in the FA Trophy. Just a EUFA money-making exercise.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The whole thing stinks, Champions League should just be champions but that would hit the UEFA money train. They have a vested interest in the big teams from Western Europe getting through to the last 16 because it brings £££££££££
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Should it though? The team who have won four of the last five PL's haven't won it, yet the teams who finished second and fourth won the CL two times in the last five CL's.
Makes for a better CL having more top teams in it, in my opinion.
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Yet the fans bleated about the super league - make yer fackin mind up
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
comment by bomdia (U13941)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by goadocwatson (U1016)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
I don't agree with European Championship 3rd placed
qualifying teams having a play-off chance to join the Europa League. They had their chance and fluffed it. If you lose in the FA Cup you don't get another chance in the FA Trophy. Just a EUFA money-making exercise.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The whole thing stinks, Champions League should just be champions but that would hit the UEFA money train. They have a vested interest in the big teams from Western Europe getting through to the last 16 because it brings £££££££££
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Should it though? The team who have won four of the last five PL's haven't won it, yet the teams who finished second and fourth won the CL two times in the last five CL's.
Makes for a better CL having more top teams in it, in my opinion.
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Yet the fans bleated about the super league - make yer fackin mind up
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My view is based upon what Gary Neville says. Turns out I'm actually for the world cup in Qatar now
comment by Stewart Greacen (U1734)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
comment by bomdia (U13941)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by goadocwatson (U1016)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
I don't agree with European Championship 3rd placed
qualifying teams having a play-off chance to join the Europa League. They had their chance and fluffed it. If you lose in the FA Cup you don't get another chance in the FA Trophy. Just a EUFA money-making exercise.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The whole thing stinks, Champions League should just be champions but that would hit the UEFA money train. They have a vested interest in the big teams from Western Europe getting through to the last 16 because it brings £££££££££
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Should it though? The team who have won four of the last five PL's haven't won it, yet the teams who finished second and fourth won the CL two times in the last five CL's.
Makes for a better CL having more top teams in it, in my opinion.
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Yet the fans bleated about the super league - make yer fackin mind up
----------------------------------------------------------------------
My view is based upon what Gary Neville says. Turns out I'm actually for the world cup in Qatar now
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Are you though?
Or are you just playing Neville's advocate?
comment by Jalisco Red - The Axis of Ant[h]ony (U4195)
posted 1 hour, 37 minutes ago
comment by Stewart Greacen (U1734)
posted 23 minutes ago
My view is based upon what Gary Neville says. Turns out I'm actually for the world cup in Qatar now
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Are you though?
Or are you just playing Neville's advocate?
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Yes, sir!
Barry back to his best
However Liverpool won the league and European Cup the following season three times:
League won in the years 75/76; 76/77; 79/80; 81/82
European Cup won in following campaigns 76/77; 77/78; 80/81; 82/83
That puts us tied with Real
The CL is much harder to win than the old European Cup, before the CL the competition only had a small handful of teams capable of winning it and it was way more possible to get easy draws all the way to the final.
These days there are several clubs from the strongest leagues capable of winning it, there is much more kudos attached to winning the CL than the old European Cup.
What do Spurs fans know about winning the EC1 or the CL? You never won it ffs. We even beat you in the UEFA League final in '74.
comment by Clogfack (U1250)
posted 22 minutes ago
What do Spurs fans know about winning the EC1 or the CL? You never won it ffs. We even beat you in the UEFA League final in '74.
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comment by ●Billy The Spur● 20*21*22* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 1 hour, 24 minutes ago
The CL is much harder to win than the old European Cup, before the CL the competition only had a small handful of teams capable of winning it and it was way more possible to get easy draws all the way to the final.
These days there are several clubs from the strongest leagues capable of winning it, there is much more kudos attached to winning the CL than the old European Cup.
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harder to win now, but easier to qualify for (if you play in one of the big leagues ofcourse)
comment by Clogfack (U1250)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
What do Spurs fans know about winning the EC1 or the CL? You never won it ffs. We even beat you in the UEFA League final in '74.
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Feyenoord even wumming Spurs
Can we please stick to talking about the CHAMPIONS League and not some old boomer cup from like 50 years ago? The world has moved on. We are in charge now. Boomers' main role in life now is sitting on twitter and getting angry at young folk for wanting to change the way things have always been. No one cares about the Boomer cup now.
comment by Michael Edwards FC {Proud owner of the 5 000 000th comment} (U2720)
posted 2 hours, 55 minutes ago
Barry back to his best
However Liverpool won the league and European Cup the following season three times:
League won in the years 75/76; 76/77; 79/80; 81/82
European Cup won in following campaigns 76/77; 77/78; 80/81; 82/83
That puts us tied with Real
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We'd already done that 4 times before you'd even won a single European Cup, you turnip. The OP is specifically about the CL era.
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Michael Edwards FC {Proud owner of the 5 000 000th comment} (U2720)
posted 2 hours, 55 minutes ago
Barry back to his best
However Liverpool won the league and European Cup the following season three times:
League won in the years 75/76; 76/77; 79/80; 81/82
European Cup won in following campaigns 76/77; 77/78; 80/81; 82/83
That puts us tied with Real
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We'd already done that 4 times before you'd even won a single European Cup, you turnip. The OP is specifically about the CL era.
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Was that not back when a magazine in France invited the participants, rather than it officially being league winners?
comment by ●Billy The Spur● 20*21*22* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 1 hour, 58 minutes ago
The CL is much harder to win than the old European Cup, before the CL the competition only had a small handful of teams capable of winning it and it was way more possible to get easy draws all the way to the final.
These days there are several clubs from the strongest leagues capable of winning it, there is much more kudos attached to winning the CL than the old European Cup.
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Just tell me one thing, if it was so much easier under the old format, how come Spurs only ever made the knockout rounds once, and how many times have you made them under the new format?
In reality, it's just a different qualification system where it used to be much, much harder to get an initial bite of the cherry if you hailed from one of the big leagues.
Reaching the knockout stages required either being the trophy holders (only one team per season) or having been the number one team in your national league pyramid after a 9-month long season.
Nowadays, comparatively speaking you can have a relatively poor season the year before, followed by a fairly average 6-game group stage, so there's way more margin for error right up until the closing stages.
When it does get tough, it can be ridiculously so, but that's mostly because of how the competition has become increasingly skewed towards a select few leagues to the detriment of all the rest. It's actually become a lot easier to win if you play in one of the big leagues, and much harder if you're not.
At the end of the day, there's only going to be one champion each season.
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Michael Edwards FC {Proud owner of the 5 000 000th comment} (U2720)
posted 2 hours, 55 minutes ago
Barry back to his best
However Liverpool won the league and European Cup the following season three times:
League won in the years 75/76; 76/77; 79/80; 81/82
European Cup won in following campaigns 76/77; 77/78; 80/81; 82/83
That puts us tied with Real
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We'd already done that 4 times before you'd even won a single European Cup, you turnip. The OP is specifically about the CL era.
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Was that not back when a magazine in France invited the participants, rather than it officially being league winners?
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Dudes won some competitions over croissants and baguettes and bragging about it
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Michael Edwards FC {Proud owner of the 5 000 000th comment} (U2720)
posted 2 hours, 55 minutes ago
Barry back to his best
However Liverpool won the league and European Cup the following season three times:
League won in the years 75/76; 76/77; 79/80; 81/82
European Cup won in following campaigns 76/77; 77/78; 80/81; 82/83
That puts us tied with Real
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We'd already done that 4 times before you'd even won a single European Cup, you turnip. The OP is specifically about the CL era.
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Was that not back when a magazine in France invited the participants, rather than it officially being league winners?
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Haven't we had this discussion before, or was it with some of your fellow Liverpool fans?
The answer is no, not exactly. Invitations were actually sent out for all the major FAs to enter their national champions. It was only when some of them turned down the invitation that the list of entrants was completed with other clubs. Owing to its success, the tournament was immediately taken up by UEFA, so your claim only holds partially true for the maiden edition, and the FAs who opted out that one only have themselves to blame for missing out.
Fun fact, the whole idea of creating the European Cup is said to have arisen because some journo, in typically arrogant English fashion, declared Wolves "Champions of the World" because they beat Honved in a friendly at Molineux. It's explained here:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/dec/13/wolves-world-champions-honved-molineux-hungary-wembley
comment by Michael Edwards FC {Proud owner of the 5 000 0... (U2720)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Michael Edwards FC {Proud owner of the 5 000 000th comment} (U2720)
posted 2 hours, 55 minutes ago
Barry back to his best
However Liverpool won the league and European Cup the following season three times:
League won in the years 75/76; 76/77; 79/80; 81/82
European Cup won in following campaigns 76/77; 77/78; 80/81; 82/83
That puts us tied with Real
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We'd already done that 4 times before you'd even won a single European Cup, you turnip. The OP is specifically about the CL era.
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Was that not back when a magazine in France invited the participants, rather than it officially being league winners?
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Dudes won some competitions over croissants and baguettes and bragging about it
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Yep and English teams weren't in it the first couple of years.
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posted on 7/11/22
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by Jalisco Red - The Axis of Ant[h]ony (U4195)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Jalisco Red - The Axis of Ant[h]ony (U4195)
posted 1 hour, 24 minutes ago
comment by Clogfack (U1250)
posted 8 minutes ago
You left out Feyenoord. 1969 Dutch champions and 1970 European Cup winners.
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This is just the CL though.
Every team who won the European Cup won their own league the season before. That was how you qualified then.
But the tournament was generally weak, so winners can't really be considered True European Champions.
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Utd should be on 1 then by that metric. They didn’t win the league in 97/98
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I agree, but I didn't want to question Barry's methodology. I'm sure there's some kind of loophole.
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I did question it and my comment was deleted!
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Classic Culer
posted on 7/11/22
Hala Madrid
posted on 7/11/22
comment by Jalisco Red - The Axis of Ant[h]ony (U4195)
posted 3 hours, 4 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 19 minutes ago
Why in fack would Rangers be mentioned in any thread about being European champions except in the context of their recently bestowed honour?
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This thread is about the CL, so Rangers' failures are every bit as noteworthy as Celtic's
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Meh, Celtic won it when it was football not moneyball.
posted on 7/11/22
I don't agree with European Championship 3rd placed
qualifying teams having a play-off chance to join the Europa League. They had their chance and fluffed it. If you lose in the FA Cup you don't get another chance in the FA Trophy. Just a EUFA money-making exercise.
posted on 7/11/22
Good table.
posted on 7/11/22
comment by goadocwatson (U1016)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
I don't agree with European Championship 3rd placed
qualifying teams having a play-off chance to join the Europa League. They had their chance and fluffed it. If you lose in the FA Cup you don't get another chance in the FA Trophy. Just a EUFA money-making exercise.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The whole thing stinks, Champions League should just be champions but that would hit the UEFA money train. They have a vested interest in the big teams from Western Europe getting through to the last 16 because it brings £££££££££
posted on 7/11/22
comment by bomdia (U13941)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by goadocwatson (U1016)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
I don't agree with European Championship 3rd placed
qualifying teams having a play-off chance to join the Europa League. They had their chance and fluffed it. If you lose in the FA Cup you don't get another chance in the FA Trophy. Just a EUFA money-making exercise.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The whole thing stinks, Champions League should just be champions but that would hit the UEFA money train. They have a vested interest in the big teams from Western Europe getting through to the last 16 because it brings £££££££££
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Should it though? The team who have won four of the last five PL's haven't won it, yet the teams who finished second and fourth won the CL two times in the last five CL's.
Makes for a better CL having more top teams in it, in my opinion.
posted on 7/11/22
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
comment by bomdia (U13941)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by goadocwatson (U1016)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
I don't agree with European Championship 3rd placed
qualifying teams having a play-off chance to join the Europa League. They had their chance and fluffed it. If you lose in the FA Cup you don't get another chance in the FA Trophy. Just a EUFA money-making exercise.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The whole thing stinks, Champions League should just be champions but that would hit the UEFA money train. They have a vested interest in the big teams from Western Europe getting through to the last 16 because it brings £££££££££
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Should it though? The team who have won four of the last five PL's haven't won it, yet the teams who finished second and fourth won the CL two times in the last five CL's.
Makes for a better CL having more top teams in it, in my opinion.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yet the fans bleated about the super league - make yer fackin mind up
posted on 7/11/22
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
comment by bomdia (U13941)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by goadocwatson (U1016)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
I don't agree with European Championship 3rd placed
qualifying teams having a play-off chance to join the Europa League. They had their chance and fluffed it. If you lose in the FA Cup you don't get another chance in the FA Trophy. Just a EUFA money-making exercise.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The whole thing stinks, Champions League should just be champions but that would hit the UEFA money train. They have a vested interest in the big teams from Western Europe getting through to the last 16 because it brings £££££££££
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Should it though? The team who have won four of the last five PL's haven't won it, yet the teams who finished second and fourth won the CL two times in the last five CL's.
Makes for a better CL having more top teams in it, in my opinion.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yet the fans bleated about the super league - make yer fackin mind up
----------------------------------------------------------------------
My view is based upon what Gary Neville says. Turns out I'm actually for the world cup in Qatar now
posted on 7/11/22
comment by Stewart Greacen (U1734)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
comment by bomdia (U13941)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by goadocwatson (U1016)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
I don't agree with European Championship 3rd placed
qualifying teams having a play-off chance to join the Europa League. They had their chance and fluffed it. If you lose in the FA Cup you don't get another chance in the FA Trophy. Just a EUFA money-making exercise.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The whole thing stinks, Champions League should just be champions but that would hit the UEFA money train. They have a vested interest in the big teams from Western Europe getting through to the last 16 because it brings £££££££££
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Should it though? The team who have won four of the last five PL's haven't won it, yet the teams who finished second and fourth won the CL two times in the last five CL's.
Makes for a better CL having more top teams in it, in my opinion.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yet the fans bleated about the super league - make yer fackin mind up
----------------------------------------------------------------------
My view is based upon what Gary Neville says. Turns out I'm actually for the world cup in Qatar now
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Are you though?
Or are you just playing Neville's advocate?
posted on 8/11/22
comment by Jalisco Red - The Axis of Ant[h]ony (U4195)
posted 1 hour, 37 minutes ago
comment by Stewart Greacen (U1734)
posted 23 minutes ago
My view is based upon what Gary Neville says. Turns out I'm actually for the world cup in Qatar now
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Are you though?
Or are you just playing Neville's advocate?
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Yes, sir!
posted on 8/11/22
Barry back to his best
However Liverpool won the league and European Cup the following season three times:
League won in the years 75/76; 76/77; 79/80; 81/82
European Cup won in following campaigns 76/77; 77/78; 80/81; 82/83
That puts us tied with Real
posted on 8/11/22
4 times
posted on 8/11/22
The CL is much harder to win than the old European Cup, before the CL the competition only had a small handful of teams capable of winning it and it was way more possible to get easy draws all the way to the final.
These days there are several clubs from the strongest leagues capable of winning it, there is much more kudos attached to winning the CL than the old European Cup.
posted on 8/11/22
What do Spurs fans know about winning the EC1 or the CL? You never won it ffs. We even beat you in the UEFA League final in '74.
posted on 8/11/22
comment by Clogfack (U1250)
posted 22 minutes ago
What do Spurs fans know about winning the EC1 or the CL? You never won it ffs. We even beat you in the UEFA League final in '74.
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posted on 8/11/22
comment by ●Billy The Spur● 20*21*22* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 1 hour, 24 minutes ago
The CL is much harder to win than the old European Cup, before the CL the competition only had a small handful of teams capable of winning it and it was way more possible to get easy draws all the way to the final.
These days there are several clubs from the strongest leagues capable of winning it, there is much more kudos attached to winning the CL than the old European Cup.
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harder to win now, but easier to qualify for (if you play in one of the big leagues ofcourse)
posted on 8/11/22
comment by Clogfack (U1250)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
What do Spurs fans know about winning the EC1 or the CL? You never won it ffs. We even beat you in the UEFA League final in '74.
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Feyenoord even wumming Spurs
posted on 8/11/22
Can we please stick to talking about the CHAMPIONS League and not some old boomer cup from like 50 years ago? The world has moved on. We are in charge now. Boomers' main role in life now is sitting on twitter and getting angry at young folk for wanting to change the way things have always been. No one cares about the Boomer cup now.
posted on 8/11/22
comment by Michael Edwards FC {Proud owner of the 5 000 000th comment} (U2720)
posted 2 hours, 55 minutes ago
Barry back to his best
However Liverpool won the league and European Cup the following season three times:
League won in the years 75/76; 76/77; 79/80; 81/82
European Cup won in following campaigns 76/77; 77/78; 80/81; 82/83
That puts us tied with Real
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We'd already done that 4 times before you'd even won a single European Cup, you turnip. The OP is specifically about the CL era.
posted on 8/11/22
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Michael Edwards FC {Proud owner of the 5 000 000th comment} (U2720)
posted 2 hours, 55 minutes ago
Barry back to his best
However Liverpool won the league and European Cup the following season three times:
League won in the years 75/76; 76/77; 79/80; 81/82
European Cup won in following campaigns 76/77; 77/78; 80/81; 82/83
That puts us tied with Real
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We'd already done that 4 times before you'd even won a single European Cup, you turnip. The OP is specifically about the CL era.
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Was that not back when a magazine in France invited the participants, rather than it officially being league winners?
posted on 8/11/22
comment by ●Billy The Spur● 20*21*22* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 1 hour, 58 minutes ago
The CL is much harder to win than the old European Cup, before the CL the competition only had a small handful of teams capable of winning it and it was way more possible to get easy draws all the way to the final.
These days there are several clubs from the strongest leagues capable of winning it, there is much more kudos attached to winning the CL than the old European Cup.
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Just tell me one thing, if it was so much easier under the old format, how come Spurs only ever made the knockout rounds once, and how many times have you made them under the new format?
In reality, it's just a different qualification system where it used to be much, much harder to get an initial bite of the cherry if you hailed from one of the big leagues.
Reaching the knockout stages required either being the trophy holders (only one team per season) or having been the number one team in your national league pyramid after a 9-month long season.
Nowadays, comparatively speaking you can have a relatively poor season the year before, followed by a fairly average 6-game group stage, so there's way more margin for error right up until the closing stages.
When it does get tough, it can be ridiculously so, but that's mostly because of how the competition has become increasingly skewed towards a select few leagues to the detriment of all the rest. It's actually become a lot easier to win if you play in one of the big leagues, and much harder if you're not.
At the end of the day, there's only going to be one champion each season.
posted on 8/11/22
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Michael Edwards FC {Proud owner of the 5 000 000th comment} (U2720)
posted 2 hours, 55 minutes ago
Barry back to his best
However Liverpool won the league and European Cup the following season three times:
League won in the years 75/76; 76/77; 79/80; 81/82
European Cup won in following campaigns 76/77; 77/78; 80/81; 82/83
That puts us tied with Real
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We'd already done that 4 times before you'd even won a single European Cup, you turnip. The OP is specifically about the CL era.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Was that not back when a magazine in France invited the participants, rather than it officially being league winners?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Dudes won some competitions over croissants and baguettes and bragging about it
posted on 8/11/22
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Michael Edwards FC {Proud owner of the 5 000 000th comment} (U2720)
posted 2 hours, 55 minutes ago
Barry back to his best
However Liverpool won the league and European Cup the following season three times:
League won in the years 75/76; 76/77; 79/80; 81/82
European Cup won in following campaigns 76/77; 77/78; 80/81; 82/83
That puts us tied with Real
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We'd already done that 4 times before you'd even won a single European Cup, you turnip. The OP is specifically about the CL era.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Was that not back when a magazine in France invited the participants, rather than it officially being league winners?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Haven't we had this discussion before, or was it with some of your fellow Liverpool fans?
The answer is no, not exactly. Invitations were actually sent out for all the major FAs to enter their national champions. It was only when some of them turned down the invitation that the list of entrants was completed with other clubs. Owing to its success, the tournament was immediately taken up by UEFA, so your claim only holds partially true for the maiden edition, and the FAs who opted out that one only have themselves to blame for missing out.
Fun fact, the whole idea of creating the European Cup is said to have arisen because some journo, in typically arrogant English fashion, declared Wolves "Champions of the World" because they beat Honved in a friendly at Molineux. It's explained here:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/dec/13/wolves-world-champions-honved-molineux-hungary-wembley
posted on 8/11/22
comment by Michael Edwards FC {Proud owner of the 5 000 0... (U2720)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Michael Edwards FC {Proud owner of the 5 000 000th comment} (U2720)
posted 2 hours, 55 minutes ago
Barry back to his best
However Liverpool won the league and European Cup the following season three times:
League won in the years 75/76; 76/77; 79/80; 81/82
European Cup won in following campaigns 76/77; 77/78; 80/81; 82/83
That puts us tied with Real
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We'd already done that 4 times before you'd even won a single European Cup, you turnip. The OP is specifically about the CL era.
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Was that not back when a magazine in France invited the participants, rather than it officially being league winners?
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Dudes won some competitions over croissants and baguettes and bragging about it
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Yep and English teams weren't in it the first couple of years.
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