Maguire just isnt good enough.
Donny just needs to get fit. He looked OK yesterday.
Don't forget the yellow card Maguire got - a classic classic Harry bundle.
As for Donny - he looks like a rabbit in the headlights. Doesn't want the ball.
He looked OK yesterday.
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posted 2 minutes ago
He looked OK yesterday.
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Donny is done I think.
Maguire really does need a decent World Cup for his confidence. If Varane wasn't injury prone then I'd suggest moving Maguire on in January and using Tuanzebe and Jones as cover for Varane, Martinez and Lindelof but that'd mean quite a few injury prone CBs to depend on.
In my ideal January we'd sell AWB, Maguire, Donny and Ronaldo and get a CF in and, if possible, a durable CB as cover/competition.
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 12 seconds ago
Donny is done I think.
Maguire really does need a decent World Cup for his confidence. If Varane wasn't injury prone then I'd suggest moving Maguire on in January and using Tuanzebe and Jones as cover for Varane, Martinez and Lindelof but that'd mean quite a few injury prone CBs to depend on.
In my ideal January we'd sell AWB, Maguire, Donny and Ronaldo and get a CF in and, if possible, a durable CB as cover/competition.
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What is the deal with Tuanzebe and Jones? They haven't been seen for months.
I do think Donny is probably done. The only thing I'd say in his defence is I think he's a player whose off the ball movement is critical to his game and therefore so is being on the same wavelength as his team-mates. In the league defeat to Villa I saw him making quite a lot of good runs and no one ever passed to him. Surround him with a bunch of Ajax trained players who are also running off the ball and he'd probably look better. A few months into ETH's reprogramming, and with Ronaldo dropping sluggishly into the wrong spaces, demanding the ball, and it's obviously going to not show him at his best.
He's yet another player we bought without really understanding his profile or having a proper plan how to use him. But all that said, I don't think he'll make it.
That summer when we spent £83m on VdB, Diallo, Pellistri and Telles was some great business by the club.
Russian
I think his whole game is about his moment off the ball, don’t think he gets many touches of it even at Ajax. His game is about movement and good chemistry with those around him, something that was never likely to happen at our club.
Maguire - I don't think he's anywhere near as bad as most of you do. I also don't see him getting shifted quickly, due to the amount spent on him and the high wages / lack of suitors who will match them equation. But I'd say Martinez is our most important player at the moment, critical to how we play, and a fast, efficient defender to sweep up second balls is a better partner. So Martinez + Varane is first choice. In the absence of Martinez, Maguire is probably our best understudy for playing on the left. So maybe we have a slightly awkward situation with a highly paid asset on the fringe of the team for another year or two.
Donny just needs to get fit.
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Good grief
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 3 minutes ago
I do think Donny is probably done. The only thing I'd say in his defence is I think he's a player whose off the ball movement is critical to his game and therefore so is being on the same wavelength as his team-mates. In the league defeat to Villa I saw him making quite a lot of good runs and no one ever passed to him. Surround him with a bunch of Ajax trained players who are also running off the ball and he'd probably look better. A few months into ETH's reprogramming, and with Ronaldo dropping sluggishly into the wrong spaces, demanding the ball, and it's obviously going to not show him at his best.
He's yet another player we bought without really understanding his profile or having a proper plan how to use him. But all that said, I don't think he'll make it.
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Agree with this completely. Donny doesn't "hide" as some are claiming; he makes really good subtle runs and movements into space and wants to play quick one-twos. He's not a Bruno or Eriksen type player that will come and seek the ball to make stuff happen (hence his much lower number of touches per game). Despite the clear development of our play, we're still fairly direct with players like Bruno wanting to hit the early killer ball, Rashford looking to chop inside, shoot and Ronaldo being Ronaldo etc.
Donny just gets bypassed when we play this way, and he's neither adapted his own game to suit nor really been given the opportunities within the context of a strong first 11 previously. He's simply not going to get in ahead of Bruno and making cameo appearances isn't going to benefit him or the team. He needs to leave.
On Maguire... he's playing below his best level which is maybe making people think that he's worse than he is - his confidence looks low. That said, he exudes panic when things are going on around him, both with & without the ball. Varane & Martinez have a certain air of assertiveness, composure & class that is a clear upgrade on Maguire and he's another that I think should probably be moved on in time.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 5 minutes ago
Maguire - I don't think he's anywhere near as bad as most of you do. I also don't see him getting shifted quickly, due to the amount spent on him and the high wages / lack of suitors who will match them equation. But I'd say Martinez is our most important player at the moment, critical to how we play, and a fast, efficient defender to sweep up second balls is a better partner. So Martinez + Varane is first choice. In the absence of Martinez, Maguire is probably our best understudy for playing on the left. So maybe we have a slightly awkward situation with a highly paid asset on the fringe of the team for another year or two.
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I think Varane is equally as important if not more important than Varane. We've conceded very few goals with Varane in the team. Watkin's goal last night doesn't happen with Varane there imo.
Butcher, I cannot fathom your support for Donny. We were all excited when we signed him, plus he seems a nice guy eager to fit in.
But he has done nothing for us, it maybe because it's not a system that suits, we'll hard luck, but he's contributed nothing in two years.
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I think Varane is equally as important if not more important than Varane.
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disagree, i'd say that varane is more important
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 5 minutes ago
Maguire - I don't think he's anywhere near as bad as most of you do. I also don't see him getting shifted quickly, due to the amount spent on him and the high wages / lack of suitors who will match them equation. But I'd say Martinez is our most important player at the moment, critical to how we play, and a fast, efficient defender to sweep up second balls is a better partner. So Martinez + Varane is first choice. In the absence of Martinez, Maguire is probably our best understudy for playing on the left. So maybe we have a slightly awkward situation with a highly paid asset on the fringe of the team for another year or two.
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I think Varane is equally as important if not more important than Varane. We've conceded very few goals with Varane in the team. Watkin's goal last night doesn't happen with Varane there imo.
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*Martinez
From a defensive point of view Varane is more important. He has the pace to snuff out attacks that our other CB's don't have.
Martinez is important in terms of starting attacks.
Donny would do well somewhere like Villa under Emery, as one of the wide midfielders in his 442 system.
I think Varane is equally as important if not more important than Varane.
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I will have some of what you are drinking.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 51 seconds ago
I think Varane is equally as important if not more important than Varane.
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I will have some of what you are drinking.
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you're 5 hours behind us, you wait your turn to get drunk
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
I think Varane is equally as important if not more important than Varane.
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I will have some of what you are drinking.
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Only Espresso so far but it's my brothers 30th this weekend so that will soon change.
The problem with Donny is quite simple.
Playing in the Eredivisie for for Ajax, probably the best organised team in this league, with like minded players and coaches around him, he looked quite useful. The Eridivesie is a mid-standard European Football league. Therefore inviting good players at that level to step- up to higher standard leagues is always going to be a gamble. Some players do it seemlessly. Martinez and Anthony look like they will make the mark although still early days for them both yet. Donny has been in the PL for 3 years now. He has had 2 clubs, played under 4 managers and still shows no improvement from the day he came.
Lets just conclude now that it really hasnt worked out for him in the PL and that he had most likely, already had found his level in the Dutch leagues, a level at which he really needs to return to. Or maybe the Championship even would suit him if he really wants to live and work in the UK. It happens to all footballers and managers and coaches this. You will eventually find your level and it might not be the very, very top one, that the PL certainly is.
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
I think Varane is equally as important if not more important than Varane.
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I will have some of what you are drinking.
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Only Espresso so far but it's my brothers 30th this weekend so that will soon change.
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Where are you heading for it? My mates and I are headed for Dublin tomorrow for a sesh
On a positive note.
Watching Garancho last night, he could be a major part the future of Man United. Bums off seats, is that lad when he gets the ball. Hope United sign him up at OT for a long time.
(Was like a throwback to watching Kanchelskis and even a young Giggs a couple of times).
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 40 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 5 minutes ago
Maguire - I don't think he's anywhere near as bad as most of you do. I also don't see him getting shifted quickly, due to the amount spent on him and the high wages / lack of suitors who will match them equation. But I'd say Martinez is our most important player at the moment, critical to how we play, and a fast, efficient defender to sweep up second balls is a better partner. So Martinez + Varane is first choice. In the absence of Martinez, Maguire is probably our best understudy for playing on the left. So maybe we have a slightly awkward situation with a highly paid asset on the fringe of the team for another year or two.
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I think Varane is equally as important if not more important than Varane. We've conceded very few goals with Varane in the team. Watkin's goal last night doesn't happen with Varane there imo.
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I disagree. Martinez is crucial not just in terms of building from the back, but also in the 'rest defence' as the one who typically aggressively engages as the ball breaks. This compresses the space the other side is attacking, makes us more robust, more likely to nick the ball and counter. Having a player in that role necessitates having a player in the Varane role. However, if we lost one of them, I'd feel much more confident about finding a Varane replacement in the transfer market (good in the air, fast, calm). I don't think there are many players with Martinez's skill set out there. Varane is more of a Rolls Royce than a lot of the other options; on the other hand, there are probably a lot of players with his kind of profile who don't get injured half as often.
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posted on 11/11/22
Maguire just isnt good enough.
Donny just needs to get fit. He looked OK yesterday.
posted on 11/11/22
Don't forget the yellow card Maguire got - a classic classic Harry bundle.
As for Donny - he looks like a rabbit in the headlights. Doesn't want the ball.
posted on 11/11/22
He looked OK yesterday.
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Lol...
posted on 11/11/22
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 2 minutes ago
He looked OK yesterday.
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No prizes for guessing who wrote that
posted on 11/11/22
Donny is done I think.
Maguire really does need a decent World Cup for his confidence. If Varane wasn't injury prone then I'd suggest moving Maguire on in January and using Tuanzebe and Jones as cover for Varane, Martinez and Lindelof but that'd mean quite a few injury prone CBs to depend on.
In my ideal January we'd sell AWB, Maguire, Donny and Ronaldo and get a CF in and, if possible, a durable CB as cover/competition.
posted on 11/11/22
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 12 seconds ago
Donny is done I think.
Maguire really does need a decent World Cup for his confidence. If Varane wasn't injury prone then I'd suggest moving Maguire on in January and using Tuanzebe and Jones as cover for Varane, Martinez and Lindelof but that'd mean quite a few injury prone CBs to depend on.
In my ideal January we'd sell AWB, Maguire, Donny and Ronaldo and get a CF in and, if possible, a durable CB as cover/competition.
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What is the deal with Tuanzebe and Jones? They haven't been seen for months.
posted on 11/11/22
I do think Donny is probably done. The only thing I'd say in his defence is I think he's a player whose off the ball movement is critical to his game and therefore so is being on the same wavelength as his team-mates. In the league defeat to Villa I saw him making quite a lot of good runs and no one ever passed to him. Surround him with a bunch of Ajax trained players who are also running off the ball and he'd probably look better. A few months into ETH's reprogramming, and with Ronaldo dropping sluggishly into the wrong spaces, demanding the ball, and it's obviously going to not show him at his best.
He's yet another player we bought without really understanding his profile or having a proper plan how to use him. But all that said, I don't think he'll make it.
posted on 11/11/22
That summer when we spent £83m on VdB, Diallo, Pellistri and Telles was some great business by the club.
posted on 11/11/22
Russian
I think his whole game is about his moment off the ball, don’t think he gets many touches of it even at Ajax. His game is about movement and good chemistry with those around him, something that was never likely to happen at our club.
posted on 11/11/22
Maguire - I don't think he's anywhere near as bad as most of you do. I also don't see him getting shifted quickly, due to the amount spent on him and the high wages / lack of suitors who will match them equation. But I'd say Martinez is our most important player at the moment, critical to how we play, and a fast, efficient defender to sweep up second balls is a better partner. So Martinez + Varane is first choice. In the absence of Martinez, Maguire is probably our best understudy for playing on the left. So maybe we have a slightly awkward situation with a highly paid asset on the fringe of the team for another year or two.
posted on 11/11/22
Donny just needs to get fit.
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Good grief
posted on 11/11/22
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 3 minutes ago
I do think Donny is probably done. The only thing I'd say in his defence is I think he's a player whose off the ball movement is critical to his game and therefore so is being on the same wavelength as his team-mates. In the league defeat to Villa I saw him making quite a lot of good runs and no one ever passed to him. Surround him with a bunch of Ajax trained players who are also running off the ball and he'd probably look better. A few months into ETH's reprogramming, and with Ronaldo dropping sluggishly into the wrong spaces, demanding the ball, and it's obviously going to not show him at his best.
He's yet another player we bought without really understanding his profile or having a proper plan how to use him. But all that said, I don't think he'll make it.
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Agree with this completely. Donny doesn't "hide" as some are claiming; he makes really good subtle runs and movements into space and wants to play quick one-twos. He's not a Bruno or Eriksen type player that will come and seek the ball to make stuff happen (hence his much lower number of touches per game). Despite the clear development of our play, we're still fairly direct with players like Bruno wanting to hit the early killer ball, Rashford looking to chop inside, shoot and Ronaldo being Ronaldo etc.
Donny just gets bypassed when we play this way, and he's neither adapted his own game to suit nor really been given the opportunities within the context of a strong first 11 previously. He's simply not going to get in ahead of Bruno and making cameo appearances isn't going to benefit him or the team. He needs to leave.
On Maguire... he's playing below his best level which is maybe making people think that he's worse than he is - his confidence looks low. That said, he exudes panic when things are going on around him, both with & without the ball. Varane & Martinez have a certain air of assertiveness, composure & class that is a clear upgrade on Maguire and he's another that I think should probably be moved on in time.
posted on 11/11/22
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 5 minutes ago
Maguire - I don't think he's anywhere near as bad as most of you do. I also don't see him getting shifted quickly, due to the amount spent on him and the high wages / lack of suitors who will match them equation. But I'd say Martinez is our most important player at the moment, critical to how we play, and a fast, efficient defender to sweep up second balls is a better partner. So Martinez + Varane is first choice. In the absence of Martinez, Maguire is probably our best understudy for playing on the left. So maybe we have a slightly awkward situation with a highly paid asset on the fringe of the team for another year or two.
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I think Varane is equally as important if not more important than Varane. We've conceded very few goals with Varane in the team. Watkin's goal last night doesn't happen with Varane there imo.
posted on 11/11/22
Butcher, I cannot fathom your support for Donny. We were all excited when we signed him, plus he seems a nice guy eager to fit in.
But he has done nothing for us, it maybe because it's not a system that suits, we'll hard luck, but he's contributed nothing in two years.
posted on 11/11/22
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posted 3 seconds ago
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I think Varane is equally as important if not more important than Varane.
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disagree, i'd say that varane is more important
posted on 11/11/22
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 5 minutes ago
Maguire - I don't think he's anywhere near as bad as most of you do. I also don't see him getting shifted quickly, due to the amount spent on him and the high wages / lack of suitors who will match them equation. But I'd say Martinez is our most important player at the moment, critical to how we play, and a fast, efficient defender to sweep up second balls is a better partner. So Martinez + Varane is first choice. In the absence of Martinez, Maguire is probably our best understudy for playing on the left. So maybe we have a slightly awkward situation with a highly paid asset on the fringe of the team for another year or two.
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I think Varane is equally as important if not more important than Varane. We've conceded very few goals with Varane in the team. Watkin's goal last night doesn't happen with Varane there imo.
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*Martinez
posted on 11/11/22
From a defensive point of view Varane is more important. He has the pace to snuff out attacks that our other CB's don't have.
Martinez is important in terms of starting attacks.
posted on 11/11/22
Donny would do well somewhere like Villa under Emery, as one of the wide midfielders in his 442 system.
posted on 11/11/22
I think Varane is equally as important if not more important than Varane.
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I will have some of what you are drinking.
posted on 11/11/22
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 51 seconds ago
I think Varane is equally as important if not more important than Varane.
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I will have some of what you are drinking.
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you're 5 hours behind us, you wait your turn to get drunk
posted on 11/11/22
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
I think Varane is equally as important if not more important than Varane.
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I will have some of what you are drinking.
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Only Espresso so far but it's my brothers 30th this weekend so that will soon change.
posted on 11/11/22
The problem with Donny is quite simple.
Playing in the Eredivisie for for Ajax, probably the best organised team in this league, with like minded players and coaches around him, he looked quite useful. The Eridivesie is a mid-standard European Football league. Therefore inviting good players at that level to step- up to higher standard leagues is always going to be a gamble. Some players do it seemlessly. Martinez and Anthony look like they will make the mark although still early days for them both yet. Donny has been in the PL for 3 years now. He has had 2 clubs, played under 4 managers and still shows no improvement from the day he came.
Lets just conclude now that it really hasnt worked out for him in the PL and that he had most likely, already had found his level in the Dutch leagues, a level at which he really needs to return to. Or maybe the Championship even would suit him if he really wants to live and work in the UK. It happens to all footballers and managers and coaches this. You will eventually find your level and it might not be the very, very top one, that the PL certainly is.
posted on 11/11/22
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
I think Varane is equally as important if not more important than Varane.
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I will have some of what you are drinking.
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Only Espresso so far but it's my brothers 30th this weekend so that will soon change.
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Where are you heading for it? My mates and I are headed for Dublin tomorrow for a sesh
posted on 11/11/22
On a positive note.
Watching Garancho last night, he could be a major part the future of Man United. Bums off seats, is that lad when he gets the ball. Hope United sign him up at OT for a long time.
(Was like a throwback to watching Kanchelskis and even a young Giggs a couple of times).
posted on 11/11/22
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 40 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 5 minutes ago
Maguire - I don't think he's anywhere near as bad as most of you do. I also don't see him getting shifted quickly, due to the amount spent on him and the high wages / lack of suitors who will match them equation. But I'd say Martinez is our most important player at the moment, critical to how we play, and a fast, efficient defender to sweep up second balls is a better partner. So Martinez + Varane is first choice. In the absence of Martinez, Maguire is probably our best understudy for playing on the left. So maybe we have a slightly awkward situation with a highly paid asset on the fringe of the team for another year or two.
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I think Varane is equally as important if not more important than Varane. We've conceded very few goals with Varane in the team. Watkin's goal last night doesn't happen with Varane there imo.
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I disagree. Martinez is crucial not just in terms of building from the back, but also in the 'rest defence' as the one who typically aggressively engages as the ball breaks. This compresses the space the other side is attacking, makes us more robust, more likely to nick the ball and counter. Having a player in that role necessitates having a player in the Varane role. However, if we lost one of them, I'd feel much more confident about finding a Varane replacement in the transfer market (good in the air, fast, calm). I don't think there are many players with Martinez's skill set out there. Varane is more of a Rolls Royce than a lot of the other options; on the other hand, there are probably a lot of players with his kind of profile who don't get injured half as often.
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