If they face a point deduction, surely they should do it from next season onwards. This will benefit no one but Arsenal.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 29 seconds ago
If they face a point deduction, surely they should do it from next season onwards. This will benefit no one but Arsenal.
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In fairness, that's not true. Yes it would benefit Arsenal, but also those teams who would go ahead of the if a points deduction was big enough. Could put us into 4th
I think this is going to take months or even years to get to the point where they could give City the charges they agree upon
I think this will rumble on for quite few months or even a couple of years.
I have no doubt that the top legal representation will be hired to challenge any charges.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
If they face a point deduction, surely they should do it from next season onwards. This will benefit no one but Arsenal.
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Not sure of your logic mate... If they are docked 10 points (for example) it would massively help Spurs in their chances for top 4.. all depends on how big the deduction is.... Arsenal are to coz they've been the best team in the league so far
City will have there 50 lawyers all over this and it will get dragged on for months. No chance it will impact this season.
Any title and cup they win should be stripped and they should be kicked out of the PL.
5th place this season could end up being a CL spot too.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 4 minutes ago
If they face a point deduction, surely they should do it from next season onwards. This will benefit no one but Arsenal.
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I agree that any deduction should take place at the start of next season. You want this punishment to affect Man City, not anybody else.
Nothing to see here ------nowt will happen if found guilty. The EPL will bottle any tough decision and just fine them a piddly amount which City will laugh at and pay.
If there is a threat of real punisihment City will tie the EPL up in legal stuff and the EPL will bottle it. The same will happen with Chelsea.
The only teams that kop the real punishment are the lower league teams who have no means to leaglly challange it.
The EPL charter that the clubs sign upto by being in the EPL means nothing. As no punishment will just be accepted if found guilty....... so pointless.
Obviously it will help all those below City because it'll bump everyone up a place but that's no more beneficial than being bumped from say 2nd to 1st (should City overtake Arsenal).
You're probably right, it'll take an age to sort out but it would be typical for a sanction like this to come into effect to benefit the one club we don't want to succeed.
Given how this has played out and how it's affected every side, the sanction really needs to be applied to a season with a fresh slate.
Will be applied next season if anything
I think what is important here is that City havent solely been accused of breaching the odd rule, which attracts the usual financial sanctions and sets a requirement that you get on the right course,....they have actually actively sought to cover up their actions and have refused to cooperate.
Its like being caught speeding...naughty boy, a fine and some points. City have been caught speeding, but they've refused pull over and they've sped off and this offence is way more serious than going 45mph in a 40 zone.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 5 minutes ago
Obviously it will help all those below City because it'll bump everyone up a place but that's no more beneficial than being bumped from say 2nd to 1st (should City overtake Arsenal).
You're probably right, it'll take an age to sort out but it would be typical for a sanction like this to come into effect to benefit the one club we don't want to succeed.
Given how this has played out and how it's affected every side, the sanction really needs to be applied to a season with a fresh slate.
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I wouldn't worry. Very difficult to see this being resolved within the next couple of years after all the legal procedures are worked through. More likely than not it'll end up in a fine anyway
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 29 seconds ago
If they face a point deduction, surely they should do it from next season onwards. This will benefit no one but Arsenal.
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In fairness, that's not true. Yes it would benefit Arsenal, but also those teams who would go ahead of the if a points deduction was big enough. Could put us into 4th
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depending on how many points as well, we'd be bumped up to 8th!
Despite being a Man Utd fan I take no pleasure in seeing Man City's problems. The fans and players are the ones who could suffer through no fault of their own.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 13 minutes ago
Given how this has played out and how it's affected every side, the sanction really needs to be applied to a season with a fresh slate.
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You probably need to gop read the articles of association to find out though probably 600 pages of guff and almost certainly nothing about that in them? Any penalty will be applied at the appropriate legal time - no sooner, no later. Your own club could even be a beneficiary assuming you love your own club more than you hate another?
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 23 minutes ago
Will be applied next season if anything
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Yes or the season after or never
If they get found guilty, could we possibly have a case to sue Man City or even the PL for the occasions we finished 5th and missed out on CL money?
comment by goadocwatson (U1016)
posted 13 minutes ago
Despite being a Man Utd fan I take no pleasure in seeing Man City's problems. The fans and players are the ones who could suffer through no fault of their own.
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I'm inclined to agree with this
comment by goadocwatson (U1016)
posted 10 minutes ago
Despite being a Man Utd fan I take no pleasure in seeing Man City's problems. The fans and players are the ones who could suffer through no fault of their own.
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Well that is tough luck. What about the fans and clubs that missed out because City cheated to win trophies.
This is serious stuff.
comment by Hod idol (U5117)
posted 10 seconds ago
If they get found guilty, could we possibly have a case to sue Man City or even the PL for the occasions we finished 5th and missed out on CL money?
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Yes not just us, any team that has finished 5th in a season where they have broke the rules and qualified for the CL.
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 13 minutes ago
Given how this has played out and how it's affected every side, the sanction really needs to be applied to a season with a fresh slate.
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You probably need to gop read the articles of association to find out though probably 600 pages of guff and almost certainly nothing about that in them? Any penalty will be applied at the appropriate legal time - no sooner, no later. Your own club could even be a beneficiary assuming you love your own club more than you hate another?
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Of course I do. I can't stand those obsessed with rivals, particularly those that absurdly try to wind up fans of clubs in an infinitely better position.
I'm not sure the sanctions will be so severe that it would benefit a club like Spurs to tell the truth. They won't dock them the equivalent of about 20-30 points, which is what the usual gap is between the two clubs most years. It'll benefit those closest to them, which is unfair to clubs that were better during the period in question. Punishing now, albeit their only option, helps to serve the current top teams, not those in transition. Imagine how Liverpool feel. They'd have stormed to about 4 Premier League titles if it weren't for City yet now they're being punished in an age where Liverpool are in mid-table so the benefits are marginal.
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by goadocwatson (U1016)
posted 10 minutes ago
Despite being a Man Utd fan I take no pleasure in seeing Man City's problems. The fans and players are the ones who could suffer through no fault of their own.
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Well that is tough luck. What about the fans and clubs that missed out because City cheated to win trophies.
This is serious stuff.
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Also, if players/staff have rcvd undocumented payments then they have materialabubbly benefitted from not payin tax on em
comment by goadocwatson (U1016)
posted 22 minutes ago
Despite being a Man Utd fan I take no pleasure in seeing Man City's problems. The fans and players are the ones who could suffer through no fault of their own.
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Are you serious?
They've had a decade of glory on the back of what is tantamount to 'pulling a Lance Armstrong'. Those players and fans can bloody well suck it up as far as I'm concerned.
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Hod idol (U5117)
posted 10 seconds ago
If they get found guilty, could we possibly have a case to sue Man City or even the PL for the occasions we finished 5th and missed out on CL money?
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Yes not just us, any team that has finished 5th in a season where they have broke the rules and qualified for the CL.
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If this is true, it opens up a big can of worms. Doesn't give the EPL much incentive to punish City given that they will have a big mess to deal with afterwards with all the legal claims from other clubs.
comment by goadocwatson (U1016)
posted 25 minutes ago
Despite being a Man Utd fan I take no pleasure in seeing Man City's problems. The fans and players are the ones who could suffer through no fault of their own.
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Not entirely.
Player and management payment irregularities are being looked into, so the players could be absolutely complicit in anything that has gone on.
And their fans have been absolutely desperate to convey the 'nothing to see here' message, happy to turn a blind eye.
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posted on 6/2/23
If they face a point deduction, surely they should do it from next season onwards. This will benefit no one but Arsenal.
posted on 6/2/23
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 29 seconds ago
If they face a point deduction, surely they should do it from next season onwards. This will benefit no one but Arsenal.
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In fairness, that's not true. Yes it would benefit Arsenal, but also those teams who would go ahead of the if a points deduction was big enough. Could put us into 4th
posted on 6/2/23
I think this is going to take months or even years to get to the point where they could give City the charges they agree upon
posted on 6/2/23
I think this will rumble on for quite few months or even a couple of years.
I have no doubt that the top legal representation will be hired to challenge any charges.
posted on 6/2/23
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
If they face a point deduction, surely they should do it from next season onwards. This will benefit no one but Arsenal.
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Not sure of your logic mate... If they are docked 10 points (for example) it would massively help Spurs in their chances for top 4.. all depends on how big the deduction is.... Arsenal are to coz they've been the best team in the league so far
posted on 6/2/23
City will have there 50 lawyers all over this and it will get dragged on for months. No chance it will impact this season.
Any title and cup they win should be stripped and they should be kicked out of the PL.
5th place this season could end up being a CL spot too.
posted on 6/2/23
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 4 minutes ago
If they face a point deduction, surely they should do it from next season onwards. This will benefit no one but Arsenal.
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I agree that any deduction should take place at the start of next season. You want this punishment to affect Man City, not anybody else.
posted on 6/2/23
Nothing to see here ------nowt will happen if found guilty. The EPL will bottle any tough decision and just fine them a piddly amount which City will laugh at and pay.
If there is a threat of real punisihment City will tie the EPL up in legal stuff and the EPL will bottle it. The same will happen with Chelsea.
The only teams that kop the real punishment are the lower league teams who have no means to leaglly challange it.
The EPL charter that the clubs sign upto by being in the EPL means nothing. As no punishment will just be accepted if found guilty....... so pointless.
posted on 6/2/23
Obviously it will help all those below City because it'll bump everyone up a place but that's no more beneficial than being bumped from say 2nd to 1st (should City overtake Arsenal).
You're probably right, it'll take an age to sort out but it would be typical for a sanction like this to come into effect to benefit the one club we don't want to succeed.
Given how this has played out and how it's affected every side, the sanction really needs to be applied to a season with a fresh slate.
posted on 6/2/23
Will be applied next season if anything
posted on 6/2/23
I think what is important here is that City havent solely been accused of breaching the odd rule, which attracts the usual financial sanctions and sets a requirement that you get on the right course,....they have actually actively sought to cover up their actions and have refused to cooperate.
Its like being caught speeding...naughty boy, a fine and some points. City have been caught speeding, but they've refused pull over and they've sped off and this offence is way more serious than going 45mph in a 40 zone.
posted on 6/2/23
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 5 minutes ago
Obviously it will help all those below City because it'll bump everyone up a place but that's no more beneficial than being bumped from say 2nd to 1st (should City overtake Arsenal).
You're probably right, it'll take an age to sort out but it would be typical for a sanction like this to come into effect to benefit the one club we don't want to succeed.
Given how this has played out and how it's affected every side, the sanction really needs to be applied to a season with a fresh slate.
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I wouldn't worry. Very difficult to see this being resolved within the next couple of years after all the legal procedures are worked through. More likely than not it'll end up in a fine anyway
posted on 6/2/23
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 29 seconds ago
If they face a point deduction, surely they should do it from next season onwards. This will benefit no one but Arsenal.
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In fairness, that's not true. Yes it would benefit Arsenal, but also those teams who would go ahead of the if a points deduction was big enough. Could put us into 4th
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depending on how many points as well, we'd be bumped up to 8th!
posted on 6/2/23
Despite being a Man Utd fan I take no pleasure in seeing Man City's problems. The fans and players are the ones who could suffer through no fault of their own.
posted on 6/2/23
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 13 minutes ago
Given how this has played out and how it's affected every side, the sanction really needs to be applied to a season with a fresh slate.
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You probably need to gop read the articles of association to find out though probably 600 pages of guff and almost certainly nothing about that in them? Any penalty will be applied at the appropriate legal time - no sooner, no later. Your own club could even be a beneficiary assuming you love your own club more than you hate another?
posted on 6/2/23
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 23 minutes ago
Will be applied next season if anything
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Yes or the season after or never
posted on 6/2/23
If they get found guilty, could we possibly have a case to sue Man City or even the PL for the occasions we finished 5th and missed out on CL money?
posted on 6/2/23
comment by goadocwatson (U1016)
posted 13 minutes ago
Despite being a Man Utd fan I take no pleasure in seeing Man City's problems. The fans and players are the ones who could suffer through no fault of their own.
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I'm inclined to agree with this
posted on 6/2/23
comment by goadocwatson (U1016)
posted 10 minutes ago
Despite being a Man Utd fan I take no pleasure in seeing Man City's problems. The fans and players are the ones who could suffer through no fault of their own.
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Well that is tough luck. What about the fans and clubs that missed out because City cheated to win trophies.
This is serious stuff.
posted on 6/2/23
comment by Hod idol (U5117)
posted 10 seconds ago
If they get found guilty, could we possibly have a case to sue Man City or even the PL for the occasions we finished 5th and missed out on CL money?
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Yes not just us, any team that has finished 5th in a season where they have broke the rules and qualified for the CL.
posted on 6/2/23
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 13 minutes ago
Given how this has played out and how it's affected every side, the sanction really needs to be applied to a season with a fresh slate.
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You probably need to gop read the articles of association to find out though probably 600 pages of guff and almost certainly nothing about that in them? Any penalty will be applied at the appropriate legal time - no sooner, no later. Your own club could even be a beneficiary assuming you love your own club more than you hate another?
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Of course I do. I can't stand those obsessed with rivals, particularly those that absurdly try to wind up fans of clubs in an infinitely better position.
I'm not sure the sanctions will be so severe that it would benefit a club like Spurs to tell the truth. They won't dock them the equivalent of about 20-30 points, which is what the usual gap is between the two clubs most years. It'll benefit those closest to them, which is unfair to clubs that were better during the period in question. Punishing now, albeit their only option, helps to serve the current top teams, not those in transition. Imagine how Liverpool feel. They'd have stormed to about 4 Premier League titles if it weren't for City yet now they're being punished in an age where Liverpool are in mid-table so the benefits are marginal.
posted on 6/2/23
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by goadocwatson (U1016)
posted 10 minutes ago
Despite being a Man Utd fan I take no pleasure in seeing Man City's problems. The fans and players are the ones who could suffer through no fault of their own.
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Well that is tough luck. What about the fans and clubs that missed out because City cheated to win trophies.
This is serious stuff.
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Also, if players/staff have rcvd undocumented payments then they have materialabubbly benefitted from not payin tax on em
posted on 6/2/23
comment by goadocwatson (U1016)
posted 22 minutes ago
Despite being a Man Utd fan I take no pleasure in seeing Man City's problems. The fans and players are the ones who could suffer through no fault of their own.
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Are you serious?
They've had a decade of glory on the back of what is tantamount to 'pulling a Lance Armstrong'. Those players and fans can bloody well suck it up as far as I'm concerned.
posted on 6/2/23
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Hod idol (U5117)
posted 10 seconds ago
If they get found guilty, could we possibly have a case to sue Man City or even the PL for the occasions we finished 5th and missed out on CL money?
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Yes not just us, any team that has finished 5th in a season where they have broke the rules and qualified for the CL.
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If this is true, it opens up a big can of worms. Doesn't give the EPL much incentive to punish City given that they will have a big mess to deal with afterwards with all the legal claims from other clubs.
posted on 6/2/23
comment by goadocwatson (U1016)
posted 25 minutes ago
Despite being a Man Utd fan I take no pleasure in seeing Man City's problems. The fans and players are the ones who could suffer through no fault of their own.
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Not entirely.
Player and management payment irregularities are being looked into, so the players could be absolutely complicit in anything that has gone on.
And their fans have been absolutely desperate to convey the 'nothing to see here' message, happy to turn a blind eye.
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