Clinton acknowledged her role in the security failings, no getting away from that.
The Republican investigation was to whether she acted 'improper' and as most of these investigations in the US just end up failing in one of the houses due to party politics nothing came of it. I think ultimately it was just used to get Clinton in the spotlight and score some political points (as it was obvious she would be the nominee for 2016).
Hard to say how much Benghazi swung it for Trump in the end, but it certainly was a massive stain on Clinton's tenure as sec of state.
It had no bearing for Trump. The e-mails server issue a week before the election is what swung it.
Have to disagree with you on that one then, however I do think the emails played a part too. Especially that strange back and forth the FBI did with the investigation. Along with Benghazi hitting her ability to handle foreign policy, the emails also questioned her competence to handle classified information domestically too. Two massive own goals on her part.
As I mentioned earlier if she had stayed away from the spotlight after 2008 i'm pretty confident she would've won easy. The scandals wouldn't have been there.
Have to disagree with you on that one then
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You are quite welcome to. The Benghazi investigation concluded nearly four years before the election with Trump and didn’t find her guilty of anything.
Trumps whole line of attack on her was her e-mails to such an extent he asked for Russia’s help with lofting them to which they obliged.
I concurred with you on that fact about investigation, even stated it was mainly Republican party politics getting her in the spotlight with her being the likely 2016 nominee it was a platform to attack both her character and sec of state tenure which I believe ended shortly after that (not due to that).
But there was no getting away from it, she even acknowledged her failings in Benghazi. Then as you say with the email scandal too I think people had just got fed up with Hilary and the controversey which had followed her around since 2012. A far cry from the days of 2008 when Obama barely defeated her.
But I think it was yourself who I spoke with the other day about American elections, 2016 was a very unique one for a number of reasons. I never stated Benghazi was the sole reason, just like I don't believe the emails were. In an election that close it is hard to pinpoint an exact reason, so it is better just to look at the long and short-term factors I think.
But Benghazi wasn’t a major talking point during the election. He couldn’t hit her with anything. The e-mails on the other hand were his line of attack from the onset.
And it got worse for Clinton a week before when Russia dumped a whole server worth of them and the idiot Comey decided the FBI should investigate them.
I think the problem there is Trump didn't need to hit her with the Benghazi thing, everybody already knew she messed up there and was a reason why she was so unpopular, but she at least she admitted it. Lucky for her Trump also was just about as unpopular.
The e-mail thing however was a bit more about transparency. Clinton wasn't as forthcoming in admitting her failings on that one, which is why Trump I think went harder on that. Then as you say Comey announced the investigation, which in the minds of many confirmed her guilt on that issue. Was it a week before the election or two? However it was terrible timing for her.
Again though because it was such a tight election, I don't want to put it down to just that, but I will say there is a basis to think that the emails may have just swung it to Trump on the day. Not something that can be overlooked for sure.
Clinton wasn't as forthcoming in admitting her failings on that one,
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It wasn’t that. It was her blasé attitude towards it which got under people’s skin and prompted the “lock her up” chants to his base.
Oh how that has come back to bite the orange buffoon.
Fair enough VC, I see what you mean. She certainly didn't handle it like she did with Benghazi.
But like we discussed the other day, I think the independents just held their nose and voted for Trump or some just didn't bother at all. It was just strange to think what should've been Hilary's crowning glory, ended in such a disaster for her.
comment by BraveheartTyke (U6173)
posted 5 minutes ago
Fair enough VC, I see what you mean. She certainly didn't handle it like she did with Benghazi.
But like we discussed the other day, I think the independents just held their nose and voted for Trump or some just didn't bother at all. It was just strange to think what should've been Hilary's crowning glory, ended in such a disaster for her.
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That is pretty much exactly how it happened. Those same Independents ditched him next time round and will again in 2024.
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posted 15 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 27 minutes ago
Why didn't they arrest Tony Blair?
ICC don't have Russia, China, USA, India, Isreal on board. Most of the countries Russia are working with to sell their commodities aren't involved.
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The Metropolitan Police failed to arrest Jack the Ripper; who do those hypocrites think they are bringing the murderer of Sarah Everard to justice?
I fully accept that the Western world needs to go much further in holding its own leaders accountable, and I'd rather we focus on levelling the playing field that way, rather than by shrugging in the direction of genocide in Ukraine.
Anyway, Busby is at least consistent in his abject cynicism.
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A lot of people's thought process seems to go: "Will this put more money in my pocket? No? Then who gives a fᴜck."
comment by it'sonlyagame - today I feel like a Rwandan genocide victim (U6426)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 15 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 27 minutes ago
Why didn't they arrest Tony Blair?
ICC don't have Russia, China, USA, India, Isreal on board. Most of the countries Russia are working with to sell their commodities aren't involved.
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The Metropolitan Police failed to arrest Jack the Ripper; who do those hypocrites think they are bringing the murderer of Sarah Everard to justice?
I fully accept that the Western world needs to go much further in holding its own leaders accountable, and I'd rather we focus on levelling the playing field that way, rather than by shrugging in the direction of genocide in Ukraine.
Anyway, Busby is at least consistent in his abject cynicism.
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A lot of people's thought process seems to go: "Will this put more money in my pocket? No? Then who gives a fᴜck."
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Who are you talking about then, Perez or Laporte ?
RE: Clinton and Benghazi, I'd suggest it's not the content of the investigations that hurt Hilary, but the broader noise machine (then and over decades) that creates an impression of scandal in the minds of people who don't follow news closely.
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posted on 17/3/23
Clinton acknowledged her role in the security failings, no getting away from that.
The Republican investigation was to whether she acted 'improper' and as most of these investigations in the US just end up failing in one of the houses due to party politics nothing came of it. I think ultimately it was just used to get Clinton in the spotlight and score some political points (as it was obvious she would be the nominee for 2016).
Hard to say how much Benghazi swung it for Trump in the end, but it certainly was a massive stain on Clinton's tenure as sec of state.
posted on 17/3/23
It had no bearing for Trump. The e-mails server issue a week before the election is what swung it.
posted on 17/3/23
Have to disagree with you on that one then, however I do think the emails played a part too. Especially that strange back and forth the FBI did with the investigation. Along with Benghazi hitting her ability to handle foreign policy, the emails also questioned her competence to handle classified information domestically too. Two massive own goals on her part.
As I mentioned earlier if she had stayed away from the spotlight after 2008 i'm pretty confident she would've won easy. The scandals wouldn't have been there.
posted on 17/3/23
Have to disagree with you on that one then
….
You are quite welcome to. The Benghazi investigation concluded nearly four years before the election with Trump and didn’t find her guilty of anything.
Trumps whole line of attack on her was her e-mails to such an extent he asked for Russia’s help with lofting them to which they obliged.
posted on 17/3/23
I concurred with you on that fact about investigation, even stated it was mainly Republican party politics getting her in the spotlight with her being the likely 2016 nominee it was a platform to attack both her character and sec of state tenure which I believe ended shortly after that (not due to that).
But there was no getting away from it, she even acknowledged her failings in Benghazi. Then as you say with the email scandal too I think people had just got fed up with Hilary and the controversey which had followed her around since 2012. A far cry from the days of 2008 when Obama barely defeated her.
But I think it was yourself who I spoke with the other day about American elections, 2016 was a very unique one for a number of reasons. I never stated Benghazi was the sole reason, just like I don't believe the emails were. In an election that close it is hard to pinpoint an exact reason, so it is better just to look at the long and short-term factors I think.
posted on 17/3/23
But Benghazi wasn’t a major talking point during the election. He couldn’t hit her with anything. The e-mails on the other hand were his line of attack from the onset.
And it got worse for Clinton a week before when Russia dumped a whole server worth of them and the idiot Comey decided the FBI should investigate them.
posted on 17/3/23
I think the problem there is Trump didn't need to hit her with the Benghazi thing, everybody already knew she messed up there and was a reason why she was so unpopular, but she at least she admitted it. Lucky for her Trump also was just about as unpopular.
The e-mail thing however was a bit more about transparency. Clinton wasn't as forthcoming in admitting her failings on that one, which is why Trump I think went harder on that. Then as you say Comey announced the investigation, which in the minds of many confirmed her guilt on that issue. Was it a week before the election or two? However it was terrible timing for her.
Again though because it was such a tight election, I don't want to put it down to just that, but I will say there is a basis to think that the emails may have just swung it to Trump on the day. Not something that can be overlooked for sure.
posted on 17/3/23
Clinton wasn't as forthcoming in admitting her failings on that one,
….
It wasn’t that. It was her blasé attitude towards it which got under people’s skin and prompted the “lock her up” chants to his base.
Oh how that has come back to bite the orange buffoon.
posted on 17/3/23
Fair enough VC, I see what you mean. She certainly didn't handle it like she did with Benghazi.
But like we discussed the other day, I think the independents just held their nose and voted for Trump or some just didn't bother at all. It was just strange to think what should've been Hilary's crowning glory, ended in such a disaster for her.
posted on 17/3/23
comment by BraveheartTyke (U6173)
posted 5 minutes ago
Fair enough VC, I see what you mean. She certainly didn't handle it like she did with Benghazi.
But like we discussed the other day, I think the independents just held their nose and voted for Trump or some just didn't bother at all. It was just strange to think what should've been Hilary's crowning glory, ended in such a disaster for her.
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That is pretty much exactly how it happened. Those same Independents ditched him next time round and will again in 2024.
posted on 18/3/23
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 15 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 27 minutes ago
Why didn't they arrest Tony Blair?
ICC don't have Russia, China, USA, India, Isreal on board. Most of the countries Russia are working with to sell their commodities aren't involved.
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The Metropolitan Police failed to arrest Jack the Ripper; who do those hypocrites think they are bringing the murderer of Sarah Everard to justice?
I fully accept that the Western world needs to go much further in holding its own leaders accountable, and I'd rather we focus on levelling the playing field that way, rather than by shrugging in the direction of genocide in Ukraine.
Anyway, Busby is at least consistent in his abject cynicism.
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A lot of people's thought process seems to go: "Will this put more money in my pocket? No? Then who gives a fᴜck."
posted on 18/3/23
comment by it'sonlyagame - today I feel like a Rwandan genocide victim (U6426)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 15 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 27 minutes ago
Why didn't they arrest Tony Blair?
ICC don't have Russia, China, USA, India, Isreal on board. Most of the countries Russia are working with to sell their commodities aren't involved.
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The Metropolitan Police failed to arrest Jack the Ripper; who do those hypocrites think they are bringing the murderer of Sarah Everard to justice?
I fully accept that the Western world needs to go much further in holding its own leaders accountable, and I'd rather we focus on levelling the playing field that way, rather than by shrugging in the direction of genocide in Ukraine.
Anyway, Busby is at least consistent in his abject cynicism.
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A lot of people's thought process seems to go: "Will this put more money in my pocket? No? Then who gives a fᴜck."
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Who are you talking about then, Perez or Laporte ?
posted on 18/3/23
RE: Clinton and Benghazi, I'd suggest it's not the content of the investigations that hurt Hilary, but the broader noise machine (then and over decades) that creates an impression of scandal in the minds of people who don't follow news closely.
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