comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Taki Minamino (U20650)
posted 20 seconds ago
Apparently the Belarus president actually fled with his family, can't see it confirmed anywhere though
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https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/06/24/7408310/
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A site called Ukrainska Pravda doesn't immediately strike me as the most reliable source on bad news for the enemies of Ukraine.
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Fair enough - other sources are available.
Anyone with a premium flightradar sub could probably replicate the circumstantial evidence?
Has there ever been a dictator that didn't shat it?
Kicking off lads
https://twitter.com/airlivenet/status/1672553697971261440?s=46&t=bPTrpdgNggCdz9igvhmVyw
Russian guy on the other website I use just now:
"As I've told before, Prigozhin is a psycho cynical reptile, he has no Russian emotional part there. He's not a conscious Jew, but he's not Russian as well.
That is, it is clear that the Ukrainian state is legitimate for him. He has no contempt for Ukraine, for the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Russian feelings and aspirations do not exist, there is no spirit of the Russian Spring in his personal war. He fights with the Ukraine as a full mercenary and sometimes flatters Ukrainians. If it's necessary, he will make a private army, it is necessary he will build a private gulag, no matter in Africa, Ukraine. If he's gonna think that it's in his interests, he will do something completely different, perhaps even against the interests of Russia.
Everything gone ok, because the whole plot should have happened if Russian army had some major problems, now there are no problems and none in army is pro Prigozhin, he seems to be surprised with it and even more surprised after escalation he made yesterday. Normally after it Shoigu and Gerasimov must be replaced, Prigozhin should end up in prison or dead and most of Wagnerites are not ready to fight against compatriots and should become part of existing formations."
Hitchens :
https://twitter.com/ClarkeMicah/status/1672557761459019776
comment by peks - Aliens are here 👽 (U6618)
posted 7 minutes ago
Russian guy on the other website I use just now:
"As I've told before, Prigozhin is a psycho cynical reptile, he has no Russian emotional part there. He's not a conscious Jew, but he's not Russian as well.
That is, it is clear that the Ukrainian state is legitimate for him. He has no contempt for Ukraine, for the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Russian feelings and aspirations do not exist, there is no spirit of the Russian Spring in his personal war. He fights with the Ukraine as a full mercenary and sometimes flatters Ukrainians. If it's necessary, he will make a private army, it is necessary he will build a private gulag, no matter in Africa, Ukraine. If he's gonna think that it's in his interests, he will do something completely different, perhaps even against the interests of Russia.
Everything gone ok, because the whole plot should have happened if Russian army had some major problems, now there are no problems and none in army is pro Prigozhin, he seems to be surprised with it and even more surprised after escalation he made yesterday. Normally after it Shoigu and Gerasimov must be replaced, Prigozhin should end up in prison or dead and most of Wagnerites are not ready to fight against compatriots and should become part of existing formations."
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Seems at odds with most reporting and from other people on the ground on Twitter.
comment by HB Fashion Sakala is offside again (U21935)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by peks - Aliens are here 👽 (U6618)
posted 7 minutes ago
Russian guy on the other website I use just now:
"As I've told before, Prigozhin is a psycho cynical reptile, he has no Russian emotional part there. He's not a conscious Jew, but he's not Russian as well.
That is, it is clear that the Ukrainian state is legitimate for him. He has no contempt for Ukraine, for the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Russian feelings and aspirations do not exist, there is no spirit of the Russian Spring in his personal war. He fights with the Ukraine as a full mercenary and sometimes flatters Ukrainians. If it's necessary, he will make a private army, it is necessary he will build a private gulag, no matter in Africa, Ukraine. If he's gonna think that it's in his interests, he will do something completely different, perhaps even against the interests of Russia.
Everything gone ok, because the whole plot should have happened if Russian army had some major problems, now there are no problems and none in army is pro Prigozhin, he seems to be surprised with it and even more surprised after escalation he made yesterday. Normally after it Shoigu and Gerasimov must be replaced, Prigozhin should end up in prison or dead and most of Wagnerites are not ready to fight against compatriots and should become part of existing formations."
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Seems at odds with most reporting and from other people on the ground on Twitter.
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The type of ‘other websites’ Peks uses aren’t exactly filled with the brainy types
Russian military bombing the bridges on the road to Moscow from the South
Wanger troops are clearly trying to get to Moscow fast and topple the Government
comment by HB Fashion Sakala is offside again (U21935)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by peks - Aliens are here 👽 (U6618)
posted 7 minutes ago
Russian guy on the other website I use just now:
"As I've told before, Prigozhin is a psycho cynical reptile, he has no Russian emotional part there. He's not a conscious Jew, but he's not Russian as well.
That is, it is clear that the Ukrainian state is legitimate for him. He has no contempt for Ukraine, for the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Russian feelings and aspirations do not exist, there is no spirit of the Russian Spring in his personal war. He fights with the Ukraine as a full mercenary and sometimes flatters Ukrainians. If it's necessary, he will make a private army, it is necessary he will build a private gulag, no matter in Africa, Ukraine. If he's gonna think that it's in his interests, he will do something completely different, perhaps even against the interests of Russia.
Everything gone ok, because the whole plot should have happened if Russian army had some major problems, now there are no problems and none in army is pro Prigozhin, he seems to be surprised with it and even more surprised after escalation he made yesterday. Normally after it Shoigu and Gerasimov must be replaced, Prigozhin should end up in prison or dead and most of Wagnerites are not ready to fight against compatriots and should become part of existing formations."
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Seems at odds with most reporting and from other people on the ground on Twitter.
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I'm not Russian but have a little bit of military experience and to be fair that's pretty much how I would view any mercenary groups. They are always a double edged sword I my opinion.
comment by peks - Aliens are here 👽 (U6618)
posted 8 minutes ago
Hitchens :
https://twitter.com/ClarkeMicah/status/1672557761459019776
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The wrong brother died
i asked the Russian guy 3 Qs just before:
Me:
" how do you think the attempted coup will play out?
do you think the CIA has been involved, as coups are their modus operandi?
how will this affect the war in ukraine ?"
His reply
" Well, it seems that it started in conditions Prigozhin didn't expect and with wrong timing, but he already felt that his time is up and escalated all the things. He can harm now the whole situation, but changing political rule in Russia is very unlikely. Army, people don't support what they do. They have chance to end this war as some kind of domestic terrorists."
Here's the deal - Russia gets Ukraine but Zelenksy is installed as President.
Any other wild and wacky?
comment by HB Fashion Sakala is offside again (U21935)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by peks - Aliens are here 👽 (U6618)
posted 7 minutes ago
Russian guy on the other website I use just now:
"As I've told before, Prigozhin is a psycho cynical reptile, he has no Russian emotional part there. He's not a conscious Jew, but he's not Russian as well.
That is, it is clear that the Ukrainian state is legitimate for him. He has no contempt for Ukraine, for the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Russian feelings and aspirations do not exist, there is no spirit of the Russian Spring in his personal war. He fights with the Ukraine as a full mercenary and sometimes flatters Ukrainians. If it's necessary, he will make a private army, it is necessary he will build a private gulag, no matter in Africa, Ukraine. If he's gonna think that it's in his interests, he will do something completely different, perhaps even against the interests of Russia.
Everything gone ok, because the whole plot should have happened if Russian army had some major problems, now there are no problems and none in army is pro Prigozhin, he seems to be surprised with it and even more surprised after escalation he made yesterday. Normally after it Shoigu and Gerasimov must be replaced, Prigozhin should end up in prison or dead and most of Wagnerites are not ready to fight against compatriots and should become part of existing formations."
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Seems at odds with most reporting and from other people on the ground on Twitter.
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Random (possibly) Russian blokes on what I am assuming is an anonymous online forum are probably the very last demographic you’d want to ask if you wanted an assuredly well-informed and legit opinion on what is going on in Russia right now.
‘I was just on this maga forum I use occasionally and the talk is there is that Donald Trump is innocent of all charges’
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernançalvemiro triumvirate (U17054)
posted 2 hours, 39 minutes ago
Interesting that Prigozhin has gone after the oligarchs - "the clan which in practice rules Russia today" - too, blaming them for the war.
I mean, he’s not entirely wrong; but you’d have thought that if this is a real play for power, despite having to win over popular support amongst troops and the public, that’s a pretty risky move. Is he really the guy to dismantle (or trigger the dismantling of) the Russian elite?
My guess is that he’ll be dead, apprehended by the FSB and locked up somewhere very dark and cold, or out of the country on a pretty permanent basis by the end of next week.
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The oligarchs today rely entirely on Putin's patronage to hold on to their wealth. It's lent to them by the security state.
I agree that the odds don't favour Prigozhin, but I wouldn't overstate the capacity of the oligarchy to act autonomously. Wagner's hope is to appeal to lower ranks being unwilling to fire on their forces, so the anti-elitist tone has some rationale.
You’d think Prigozhin must have some sort of plan other than throwing himself into a volcano of certain death. Whether that’s someone on the inside who has assured him (whether he can be trusted or not) that he has support or that the Russian forces won’t stand in his way and they’ll work with him to cut the head off the snake.
I mean, as a Russian soldier you must have some self interest at not wanting to be sent to your death in Ukraine and if enough of them want to join a mutiny that can give the right kind of support for someone who might end the war.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernançalvemiro triumvirate (U17054)
posted 2 hours, 39 minutes ago
Interesting that Prigozhin has gone after the oligarchs - "the clan which in practice rules Russia today" - too, blaming them for the war.
I mean, he’s not entirely wrong; but you’d have thought that if this is a real play for power, despite having to win over popular support amongst troops and the public, that’s a pretty risky move. Is he really the guy to dismantle (or trigger the dismantling of) the Russian elite?
My guess is that he’ll be dead, apprehended by the FSB and locked up somewhere very dark and cold, or out of the country on a pretty permanent basis by the end of next week.
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The oligarchs today rely entirely on Putin's patronage to hold on to their wealth. It's lent to them by the security state.
I agree that the odds don't favour Prigozhin, but I wouldn't overstate the capacity of the oligarchy to act autonomously. Wagner's hope is to appeal to lower ranks being unwilling to fire on their forces, so the anti-elitist tone has some rationale.
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I assumed that’s why he’s gone after them
comment by Robb Cummins-Lyon (U22716)
posted 17 minutes ago
‘I was just on this maga forum I use occasionally and the talk is there is that Donald Trump is innocent of all charges’
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Yup.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernançalvemiro triumvirate (U17054)
posted 2 hours, 39 minutes ago
Interesting that Prigozhin has gone after the oligarchs - "the clan which in practice rules Russia today" - too, blaming them for the war.
I mean, he’s not entirely wrong; but you’d have thought that if this is a real play for power, despite having to win over popular support amongst troops and the public, that’s a pretty risky move. Is he really the guy to dismantle (or trigger the dismantling of) the Russian elite?
My guess is that he’ll be dead, apprehended by the FSB and locked up somewhere very dark and cold, or out of the country on a pretty permanent basis by the end of next week.
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The oligarchs today rely entirely on Putin's patronage to hold on to their wealth. It's lent to them by the security state.
I agree that the odds don't favour Prigozhin, but I wouldn't overstate the capacity of the oligarchy to act autonomously. Wagner's hope is to appeal to lower ranks being unwilling to fire on their forces, so the anti-elitist tone has some rationale.
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It is exactly this which happened during the revolution a century ago. When the red army won they redistributed the land and wealth as per their socialist beliefs. This is how they got the people on board. Wagner appear to be attempting a similar tactic, although a century ago they didn't have Internet propagand to indoctrinate the Russian people(and Peks).
comment by peks - Aliens are here 👽 (U6618)
posted 1 hour, 27 minutes ago
Russian guy on the other website I use just now:
"As I've told before, Prigozhin is a psycho cynical reptile, he has no Russian emotional part there. He's not a conscious Jew, but he's not Russian as well.
That is, it is clear that the Ukrainian state is legitimate for him. He has no contempt for Ukraine, for the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Russian feelings and aspirations do not exist, there is no spirit of the Russian Spring in his personal war. He fights with the Ukraine as a full mercenary and sometimes flatters Ukrainians. If it's necessary, he will make a private army, it is necessary he will build a private gulag, no matter in Africa, Ukraine. If he's gonna think that it's in his interests, he will do something completely different, perhaps even against the interests of Russia.
Everything gone ok, because the whole plot should have happened if Russian army had some major problems, now there are no problems and none in army is pro Prigozhin, he seems to be surprised with it and even more surprised after escalation he made yesterday. Normally after it Shoigu and Gerasimov must be replaced, Prigozhin should end up in prison or dead and most of Wagnerites are not ready to fight against compatriots and should become part of existing formations."
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Tennis forum?
One possibly very crazy theory I saw was this was all a ruse to get Wagner out of Ukraine before tactical nukes are unleashed there.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 56 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernançalvemiro triumvirate (U17054)
posted 2 hours, 39 minutes ago
Interesting that Prigozhin has gone after the oligarchs - "the clan which in practice rules Russia today" - too, blaming them for the war.
I mean, he’s not entirely wrong; but you’d have thought that if this is a real play for power, despite having to win over popular support amongst troops and the public, that’s a pretty risky move. Is he really the guy to dismantle (or trigger the dismantling of) the Russian elite?
My guess is that he’ll be dead, apprehended by the FSB and locked up somewhere very dark and cold, or out of the country on a pretty permanent basis by the end of next week.
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The oligarchs today rely entirely on Putin's patronage to hold on to their wealth. It's lent to them by the security state.
I agree that the odds don't favour Prigozhin, but I wouldn't overstate the capacity of the oligarchy to act autonomously. Wagner's hope is to appeal to lower ranks being unwilling to fire on their forces, so the anti-elitist tone has some rationale.
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And not forgetting that Prigozhin is essentially an oligarch as well.
when the war starts, the politicians sell the weapons and military equipment, the rich people give the food, and the poor people their sons.. when the war comes to an end, the politicians shake hands, the rich people get richer by increasing the price of their goods and foods, and the poor people start seeking dead children
moloch is hungry again
comment by peks - Aliens are here 👽 (U6618)
posted 4 minutes ago
when the war starts, the politicians sell the weapons and military equipment, the rich people give the food, and the poor people their sons.. when the war comes to an end, the politicians shake hands, the rich people get richer by increasing the price of their goods and foods, and the poor people start seeking dead children
moloch is hungry again
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That's your second Judaic reference. Are you trying to get some kind of anti-Semitic message across?
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by peks - Aliens are here 👽 (U6618)
posted 4 minutes ago
when the war starts, the politicians sell the weapons and military equipment, the rich people give the food, and the poor people their sons.. when the war comes to an end, the politicians shake hands, the rich people get richer by increasing the price of their goods and foods, and the poor people start seeking dead children
moloch is hungry again
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That's your second Judaic reference. Are you trying to get some kind of anti-Semitic message across?
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The evil Jews control the world didn't you know?
i didn't even know what maloch was
i was quoting a comment i saw
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Wagner vs Russia
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posted on 24/6/23
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Taki Minamino (U20650)
posted 20 seconds ago
Apparently the Belarus president actually fled with his family, can't see it confirmed anywhere though
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https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/06/24/7408310/
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A site called Ukrainska Pravda doesn't immediately strike me as the most reliable source on bad news for the enemies of Ukraine.
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Fair enough - other sources are available.
Anyone with a premium flightradar sub could probably replicate the circumstantial evidence?
Has there ever been a dictator that didn't shat it?
posted on 24/6/23
Kicking off lads
https://twitter.com/airlivenet/status/1672553697971261440?s=46&t=bPTrpdgNggCdz9igvhmVyw
posted on 24/6/23
Russian guy on the other website I use just now:
"As I've told before, Prigozhin is a psycho cynical reptile, he has no Russian emotional part there. He's not a conscious Jew, but he's not Russian as well.
That is, it is clear that the Ukrainian state is legitimate for him. He has no contempt for Ukraine, for the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Russian feelings and aspirations do not exist, there is no spirit of the Russian Spring in his personal war. He fights with the Ukraine as a full mercenary and sometimes flatters Ukrainians. If it's necessary, he will make a private army, it is necessary he will build a private gulag, no matter in Africa, Ukraine. If he's gonna think that it's in his interests, he will do something completely different, perhaps even against the interests of Russia.
Everything gone ok, because the whole plot should have happened if Russian army had some major problems, now there are no problems and none in army is pro Prigozhin, he seems to be surprised with it and even more surprised after escalation he made yesterday. Normally after it Shoigu and Gerasimov must be replaced, Prigozhin should end up in prison or dead and most of Wagnerites are not ready to fight against compatriots and should become part of existing formations."
posted on 24/6/23
Hitchens :
https://twitter.com/ClarkeMicah/status/1672557761459019776
posted on 24/6/23
comment by peks - Aliens are here 👽 (U6618)
posted 7 minutes ago
Russian guy on the other website I use just now:
"As I've told before, Prigozhin is a psycho cynical reptile, he has no Russian emotional part there. He's not a conscious Jew, but he's not Russian as well.
That is, it is clear that the Ukrainian state is legitimate for him. He has no contempt for Ukraine, for the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Russian feelings and aspirations do not exist, there is no spirit of the Russian Spring in his personal war. He fights with the Ukraine as a full mercenary and sometimes flatters Ukrainians. If it's necessary, he will make a private army, it is necessary he will build a private gulag, no matter in Africa, Ukraine. If he's gonna think that it's in his interests, he will do something completely different, perhaps even against the interests of Russia.
Everything gone ok, because the whole plot should have happened if Russian army had some major problems, now there are no problems and none in army is pro Prigozhin, he seems to be surprised with it and even more surprised after escalation he made yesterday. Normally after it Shoigu and Gerasimov must be replaced, Prigozhin should end up in prison or dead and most of Wagnerites are not ready to fight against compatriots and should become part of existing formations."
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Seems at odds with most reporting and from other people on the ground on Twitter.
posted on 24/6/23
comment by HB Fashion Sakala is offside again (U21935)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by peks - Aliens are here 👽 (U6618)
posted 7 minutes ago
Russian guy on the other website I use just now:
"As I've told before, Prigozhin is a psycho cynical reptile, he has no Russian emotional part there. He's not a conscious Jew, but he's not Russian as well.
That is, it is clear that the Ukrainian state is legitimate for him. He has no contempt for Ukraine, for the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Russian feelings and aspirations do not exist, there is no spirit of the Russian Spring in his personal war. He fights with the Ukraine as a full mercenary and sometimes flatters Ukrainians. If it's necessary, he will make a private army, it is necessary he will build a private gulag, no matter in Africa, Ukraine. If he's gonna think that it's in his interests, he will do something completely different, perhaps even against the interests of Russia.
Everything gone ok, because the whole plot should have happened if Russian army had some major problems, now there are no problems and none in army is pro Prigozhin, he seems to be surprised with it and even more surprised after escalation he made yesterday. Normally after it Shoigu and Gerasimov must be replaced, Prigozhin should end up in prison or dead and most of Wagnerites are not ready to fight against compatriots and should become part of existing formations."
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Seems at odds with most reporting and from other people on the ground on Twitter.
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The type of ‘other websites’ Peks uses aren’t exactly filled with the brainy types
posted on 24/6/23
Russian military bombing the bridges on the road to Moscow from the South
Wanger troops are clearly trying to get to Moscow fast and topple the Government
posted on 24/6/23
comment by HB Fashion Sakala is offside again (U21935)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by peks - Aliens are here 👽 (U6618)
posted 7 minutes ago
Russian guy on the other website I use just now:
"As I've told before, Prigozhin is a psycho cynical reptile, he has no Russian emotional part there. He's not a conscious Jew, but he's not Russian as well.
That is, it is clear that the Ukrainian state is legitimate for him. He has no contempt for Ukraine, for the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Russian feelings and aspirations do not exist, there is no spirit of the Russian Spring in his personal war. He fights with the Ukraine as a full mercenary and sometimes flatters Ukrainians. If it's necessary, he will make a private army, it is necessary he will build a private gulag, no matter in Africa, Ukraine. If he's gonna think that it's in his interests, he will do something completely different, perhaps even against the interests of Russia.
Everything gone ok, because the whole plot should have happened if Russian army had some major problems, now there are no problems and none in army is pro Prigozhin, he seems to be surprised with it and even more surprised after escalation he made yesterday. Normally after it Shoigu and Gerasimov must be replaced, Prigozhin should end up in prison or dead and most of Wagnerites are not ready to fight against compatriots and should become part of existing formations."
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Seems at odds with most reporting and from other people on the ground on Twitter.
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I'm not Russian but have a little bit of military experience and to be fair that's pretty much how I would view any mercenary groups. They are always a double edged sword I my opinion.
posted on 24/6/23
comment by peks - Aliens are here 👽 (U6618)
posted 8 minutes ago
Hitchens :
https://twitter.com/ClarkeMicah/status/1672557761459019776
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The wrong brother died
posted on 24/6/23
i asked the Russian guy 3 Qs just before:
Me:
" how do you think the attempted coup will play out?
do you think the CIA has been involved, as coups are their modus operandi?
how will this affect the war in ukraine ?"
His reply
" Well, it seems that it started in conditions Prigozhin didn't expect and with wrong timing, but he already felt that his time is up and escalated all the things. He can harm now the whole situation, but changing political rule in Russia is very unlikely. Army, people don't support what they do. They have chance to end this war as some kind of domestic terrorists."
posted on 24/6/23
Here's the deal - Russia gets Ukraine but Zelenksy is installed as President.
Any other wild and wacky?
posted on 24/6/23
comment by HB Fashion Sakala is offside again (U21935)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by peks - Aliens are here 👽 (U6618)
posted 7 minutes ago
Russian guy on the other website I use just now:
"As I've told before, Prigozhin is a psycho cynical reptile, he has no Russian emotional part there. He's not a conscious Jew, but he's not Russian as well.
That is, it is clear that the Ukrainian state is legitimate for him. He has no contempt for Ukraine, for the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Russian feelings and aspirations do not exist, there is no spirit of the Russian Spring in his personal war. He fights with the Ukraine as a full mercenary and sometimes flatters Ukrainians. If it's necessary, he will make a private army, it is necessary he will build a private gulag, no matter in Africa, Ukraine. If he's gonna think that it's in his interests, he will do something completely different, perhaps even against the interests of Russia.
Everything gone ok, because the whole plot should have happened if Russian army had some major problems, now there are no problems and none in army is pro Prigozhin, he seems to be surprised with it and even more surprised after escalation he made yesterday. Normally after it Shoigu and Gerasimov must be replaced, Prigozhin should end up in prison or dead and most of Wagnerites are not ready to fight against compatriots and should become part of existing formations."
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Seems at odds with most reporting and from other people on the ground on Twitter.
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Random (possibly) Russian blokes on what I am assuming is an anonymous online forum are probably the very last demographic you’d want to ask if you wanted an assuredly well-informed and legit opinion on what is going on in Russia right now.
posted on 24/6/23
‘I was just on this maga forum I use occasionally and the talk is there is that Donald Trump is innocent of all charges’
posted on 24/6/23
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernançalvemiro triumvirate (U17054)
posted 2 hours, 39 minutes ago
Interesting that Prigozhin has gone after the oligarchs - "the clan which in practice rules Russia today" - too, blaming them for the war.
I mean, he’s not entirely wrong; but you’d have thought that if this is a real play for power, despite having to win over popular support amongst troops and the public, that’s a pretty risky move. Is he really the guy to dismantle (or trigger the dismantling of) the Russian elite?
My guess is that he’ll be dead, apprehended by the FSB and locked up somewhere very dark and cold, or out of the country on a pretty permanent basis by the end of next week.
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The oligarchs today rely entirely on Putin's patronage to hold on to their wealth. It's lent to them by the security state.
I agree that the odds don't favour Prigozhin, but I wouldn't overstate the capacity of the oligarchy to act autonomously. Wagner's hope is to appeal to lower ranks being unwilling to fire on their forces, so the anti-elitist tone has some rationale.
posted on 24/6/23
You’d think Prigozhin must have some sort of plan other than throwing himself into a volcano of certain death. Whether that’s someone on the inside who has assured him (whether he can be trusted or not) that he has support or that the Russian forces won’t stand in his way and they’ll work with him to cut the head off the snake.
I mean, as a Russian soldier you must have some self interest at not wanting to be sent to your death in Ukraine and if enough of them want to join a mutiny that can give the right kind of support for someone who might end the war.
posted on 24/6/23
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernançalvemiro triumvirate (U17054)
posted 2 hours, 39 minutes ago
Interesting that Prigozhin has gone after the oligarchs - "the clan which in practice rules Russia today" - too, blaming them for the war.
I mean, he’s not entirely wrong; but you’d have thought that if this is a real play for power, despite having to win over popular support amongst troops and the public, that’s a pretty risky move. Is he really the guy to dismantle (or trigger the dismantling of) the Russian elite?
My guess is that he’ll be dead, apprehended by the FSB and locked up somewhere very dark and cold, or out of the country on a pretty permanent basis by the end of next week.
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The oligarchs today rely entirely on Putin's patronage to hold on to their wealth. It's lent to them by the security state.
I agree that the odds don't favour Prigozhin, but I wouldn't overstate the capacity of the oligarchy to act autonomously. Wagner's hope is to appeal to lower ranks being unwilling to fire on their forces, so the anti-elitist tone has some rationale.
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I assumed that’s why he’s gone after them
posted on 24/6/23
comment by Robb Cummins-Lyon (U22716)
posted 17 minutes ago
‘I was just on this maga forum I use occasionally and the talk is there is that Donald Trump is innocent of all charges’
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Yup.
posted on 24/6/23
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernançalvemiro triumvirate (U17054)
posted 2 hours, 39 minutes ago
Interesting that Prigozhin has gone after the oligarchs - "the clan which in practice rules Russia today" - too, blaming them for the war.
I mean, he’s not entirely wrong; but you’d have thought that if this is a real play for power, despite having to win over popular support amongst troops and the public, that’s a pretty risky move. Is he really the guy to dismantle (or trigger the dismantling of) the Russian elite?
My guess is that he’ll be dead, apprehended by the FSB and locked up somewhere very dark and cold, or out of the country on a pretty permanent basis by the end of next week.
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The oligarchs today rely entirely on Putin's patronage to hold on to their wealth. It's lent to them by the security state.
I agree that the odds don't favour Prigozhin, but I wouldn't overstate the capacity of the oligarchy to act autonomously. Wagner's hope is to appeal to lower ranks being unwilling to fire on their forces, so the anti-elitist tone has some rationale.
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It is exactly this which happened during the revolution a century ago. When the red army won they redistributed the land and wealth as per their socialist beliefs. This is how they got the people on board. Wagner appear to be attempting a similar tactic, although a century ago they didn't have Internet propagand to indoctrinate the Russian people(and Peks).
posted on 24/6/23
comment by peks - Aliens are here 👽 (U6618)
posted 1 hour, 27 minutes ago
Russian guy on the other website I use just now:
"As I've told before, Prigozhin is a psycho cynical reptile, he has no Russian emotional part there. He's not a conscious Jew, but he's not Russian as well.
That is, it is clear that the Ukrainian state is legitimate for him. He has no contempt for Ukraine, for the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Russian feelings and aspirations do not exist, there is no spirit of the Russian Spring in his personal war. He fights with the Ukraine as a full mercenary and sometimes flatters Ukrainians. If it's necessary, he will make a private army, it is necessary he will build a private gulag, no matter in Africa, Ukraine. If he's gonna think that it's in his interests, he will do something completely different, perhaps even against the interests of Russia.
Everything gone ok, because the whole plot should have happened if Russian army had some major problems, now there are no problems and none in army is pro Prigozhin, he seems to be surprised with it and even more surprised after escalation he made yesterday. Normally after it Shoigu and Gerasimov must be replaced, Prigozhin should end up in prison or dead and most of Wagnerites are not ready to fight against compatriots and should become part of existing formations."
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Tennis forum?
posted on 24/6/23
One possibly very crazy theory I saw was this was all a ruse to get Wagner out of Ukraine before tactical nukes are unleashed there.
posted on 24/6/23
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 56 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernançalvemiro triumvirate (U17054)
posted 2 hours, 39 minutes ago
Interesting that Prigozhin has gone after the oligarchs - "the clan which in practice rules Russia today" - too, blaming them for the war.
I mean, he’s not entirely wrong; but you’d have thought that if this is a real play for power, despite having to win over popular support amongst troops and the public, that’s a pretty risky move. Is he really the guy to dismantle (or trigger the dismantling of) the Russian elite?
My guess is that he’ll be dead, apprehended by the FSB and locked up somewhere very dark and cold, or out of the country on a pretty permanent basis by the end of next week.
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The oligarchs today rely entirely on Putin's patronage to hold on to their wealth. It's lent to them by the security state.
I agree that the odds don't favour Prigozhin, but I wouldn't overstate the capacity of the oligarchy to act autonomously. Wagner's hope is to appeal to lower ranks being unwilling to fire on their forces, so the anti-elitist tone has some rationale.
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And not forgetting that Prigozhin is essentially an oligarch as well.
posted on 24/6/23
when the war starts, the politicians sell the weapons and military equipment, the rich people give the food, and the poor people their sons.. when the war comes to an end, the politicians shake hands, the rich people get richer by increasing the price of their goods and foods, and the poor people start seeking dead children
moloch is hungry again
posted on 24/6/23
comment by peks - Aliens are here 👽 (U6618)
posted 4 minutes ago
when the war starts, the politicians sell the weapons and military equipment, the rich people give the food, and the poor people their sons.. when the war comes to an end, the politicians shake hands, the rich people get richer by increasing the price of their goods and foods, and the poor people start seeking dead children
moloch is hungry again
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That's your second Judaic reference. Are you trying to get some kind of anti-Semitic message across?
posted on 24/6/23
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by peks - Aliens are here 👽 (U6618)
posted 4 minutes ago
when the war starts, the politicians sell the weapons and military equipment, the rich people give the food, and the poor people their sons.. when the war comes to an end, the politicians shake hands, the rich people get richer by increasing the price of their goods and foods, and the poor people start seeking dead children
moloch is hungry again
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That's your second Judaic reference. Are you trying to get some kind of anti-Semitic message across?
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The evil Jews control the world didn't you know?
posted on 24/6/23
i didn't even know what maloch was
i was quoting a comment i saw
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