Fine margins tbh. Liverpool should really have more than one goal yesterday and if one of those chances go in, or the penalty is given then the narrative would be a bit different. Having said that it was great game of football and a great advert for the Prem, unlike the Man United game. Both ended in draws but I much prefer Arsenal to Busparkchester United. Kudos to both teams.
Bar that disgusting 20 min spell in the second half from Arsenal and that stupid counter attack given from our own corner we played well. Zinchenko and Martinelli on another day could’ve lost us the game. It was fortunate for us Liverpool poor decision making in final third plus the combo of Rice, Saliba and Gabriel were so solid.
The result was fair. As a home team you expect Liverpool to create more chances. I'll give it to Liverpool. They had the clearer chances all in all.
Great game of football. Two good teams showing how the game should be played.
I am confident of taking all three points when we play them at the Emirates in February .
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Another day, a different game. Fine littel margins can decide games.
We do have a lot of injuries now plus Salah and Endo are off to AFCON and Asia cup who won't be available for the Emirates game(s). We really needed to win yesterday especially after that horrific performance against United. Definitely advantage Arsenal now.
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We do have a lot of injuries now plus Salah and Endo are off to AFCON and Asia cup who won't be available for the Emirates game(s). We really needed to win yesterday especially after that horrific performance against United. Definitely advantage Arsenal now.
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Nothing is done yet. Liverpool are well in.
A lot of games to play for. AFCON and Asia cup also a problem for us as well.
We had also some injuries so that is no excuse.
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Could go either way.
It was a very interesting game. Reminded me of some of our ding dongs with city over the last few years, very intense, 2 high quality teams. Its testament to the job artetas done to see how much arsenal have improved. For years arsenal coming to anfield was almost a given 3 points for us. You just never handled the pressure at all. Yesterday though yous went toe to toe with us and there was very little in it.
Ive said it before but arsenals developmemt has reminded me so much of our own under Klopp. You wejt close last year, Rice appears to be the missing piece. I think youve got a great chance this year at going all the way. Still a year too early for us personally.
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We do have a lot of injuries now plus Salah and Endo are off to AFCON and Asia cup who won't be available for the Emirates game(s). We really needed to win yesterday especially after that horrific performance against United. Definitely advantage Arsenal now.
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Nothing is done yet. Liverpool are well in.
A lot of games to play for. AFCON and Asia cup also a problem for us as well.
We had also some injuries so that is no excuse.
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Liverpool have basically a whole new attack and midfield. I didn't think we'd be where we are at the start of the season. Arsenal have a more settled team that just challenged for the league last season.
It's about cycles. Liverpool are in a rebuild. Klopp's first crop won everything but has passed away. This is a new crop and we still need additions. Arsenal are at the peak of their cycle and need to win things before it lapses. Liverpool done very well to put ourselves in the title conversation.
I’ll always take a point again Liverpool, home or away, unless it’s a game you have to win (like last season).
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We do have a lot of injuries now plus Salah and Endo are off to AFCON and Asia cup who won't be available for the Emirates game(s). We really needed to win yesterday especially after that horrific performance against United. Definitely advantage Arsenal now.
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Nothing is done yet. Liverpool are well in.
A lot of games to play for. AFCON and Asia cup also a problem for us as well.
We had also some injuries so that is no excuse.
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Liverpool have basically a whole new attack and midfield. I didn't think we'd be where we are at the start of the season. Arsenal have a more settled team that just challenged for the league last season.
It's about cycles. Liverpool are in a rebuild. Klopp's first crop won everything but has passed away. This is a new crop and we still need additions. Arsenal are at the peak of their cycle and need to win things before it lapses. Liverpool done very well to put ourselves in the title conversation.
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We are also not at the end of our process yet. Still a lot to improve tactially and physically. Rice has given us the edge for our good defending that lacks a bit quality at the FB position at the moment due to injuries.
Liverpool still good upfront and for me personally the best attack in the league. Your midfield indeed lacks quality especially technically in my view.
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We do have a lot of injuries now plus Salah and Endo are off to AFCON and Asia cup who won't be available for the Emirates game(s). We really needed to win yesterday especially after that horrific performance against United. Definitely advantage Arsenal now.
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Nothing is done yet. Liverpool are well in.
A lot of games to play for. AFCON and Asia cup also a problem for us as well.
We had also some injuries so that is no excuse.
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Liverpool have basically a whole new attack and midfield. I didn't think we'd be where we are at the start of the season. Arsenal have a more settled team that just challenged for the league last season.
It's about cycles. Liverpool are in a rebuild. Klopp's first crop won everything but has passed away. This is a new crop and we still need additions. Arsenal are at the peak of their cycle and need to win things before it lapses. Liverpool done very well to put ourselves in the title conversation.
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We are also not at the end of our process yet. Still a lot to improve tactially and physically. Rice has given us the edge for our good defending that lacks a bit quality at the FB position at the moment due to injuries.
Liverpool still good upfront and for me personally the best attack in the league. Your midfield indeed lacks quality especially technically in my view.
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I feel Arsenal just need a few tweaks here and there. Most of what is needed is already there, especially a good mentality which is vital. We on the other hand have a whole new starting midfield signed just this summer and only Salah remains of our previous attack force.
It's quite an achievement to ship out your midfield and sign 4 new midfielders, 3 starting every game when fit, and still immediately go toe to toe with a more settled side like Arsenal. It's being overlooked a bit IMO.
Liverpool were at home! We'll see if Liverpool's performance yesterday was more indicative of how they are playing, or if they produce what they did against Utd for the rest of the season!
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Liverpool were at home! We'll see if Liverpool's performance yesterday was more indicative of how they are playing, or if they produce what they did against Utd for the rest of the season!
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To be fair to us Arsenal had a full week to prepare while we had to progress in the league cup.
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Liverpool were at home! We'll see if Liverpool's performance yesterday was more indicative of how they are playing, or if they produce what they did against Utd for the rest of the season!
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To be fair to us Arsenal had a full week to prepare while we had to progress in the league cup.
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You rested most of your first team. But you can't deny Liverpool away performances haven't been that great, but have been dominant at home till the Utd game. Like I said, we'll see, but you will certainly be there at the end like City, so I am not suggesting that Liverpool aren't in the title race. Just felt you needed to win more than us.
Arsenal are settling in a new midfield too tbh. Going from partey and xhaka to Rice and Havertz is a big delta.
There's just something off about both teams going forward. The attacks are just not quite clicking.
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Liverpool were at home! We'll see if Liverpool's performance yesterday was more indicative of how they are playing, or if they produce what they did against Utd for the rest of the season!
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To be fair to us Arsenal had a full week to prepare while we had to progress in the league cup.
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You rested most of your first team. But you can't deny Liverpool away performances haven't been that great, but have been dominant at home till the Utd game. Like I said, we'll see, but you will certainly be there at the end like City, so I am not suggesting that Liverpool aren't in the title race. Just felt you needed to win more than us.
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Partey was missing for large parts of last season too. Rice and Havertz didn't even have to move house, did they? Rest of your team is the same and you had made a great move in signing Timber, but the injury curse struck. As I said, you just need tweaks. We have leeway to not win the league because of the revolution of the team whereas Arsenal have to win it soin after challenging last season and playing at an amazing level consistently for a couple years or so now.
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Partey was missing for large parts of last season too. Rice and Havertz didn't even have to move house, did they? Rest of your team is the same and you had made a great move in signing Timber, but the injury curse struck. As I said, you just need tweaks. We have leeway to not win the league because of the revolution of the team whereas Arsenal have to win it soin after challenging last season and playing at an amazing level consistently for a couple years or so now.
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Arteta plays a modified Pep system, which is notoriously difficult to adjust to. You only have to look at how long players take to fit in when they join City. It's the same situation at Arsenal. I don't think rebuilding Havertz from the ground up has been easy or in fact finished. He is going to improve. Rice has fit in very well, but again his game is only half finished. Rice does not have the attacking prowess of Rodri at the moment.
This is why most pundits who watch us often repeat that we haven't clicked yet. Not like last season. We are living of the understanding between Gabriel/Saliba and Rice is a quick learner. Similarly, Raya is still adjusting in his directional kicking, and understanding with his CBs. Thats why he has made mistakes coming for crosses rather than leaving it to them.
So like Liverpool we are nowhere near clicking and are going to get better! You've had Nunez, Diaz and Salah for more than a season and Gakpo joined last Jan. Not sure how you can use that as an excuse to why your attack lacks the penetration of your past! Mane/Salah/Firminho etc. were on another level.
Yeah, McAllister and sobozlai came with good reps. Removing the Stink of chelsea from havertz has been a huge challenge and will continue to be. Parteys injury has not really helped Rice, he's been shunted from #6 to #8 although he is selling at #6 now.
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Partey was missing for large parts of last season too. Rice and Havertz didn't even have to move house, did they? Rest of your team is the same and you had made a great move in signing Timber, but the injury curse struck. As I said, you just need tweaks. We have leeway to not win the league because of the revolution of the team whereas Arsenal have to win it soin after challenging last season and playing at an amazing level consistently for a couple years or so now.
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Arteta plays a modified Pep system, which is notoriously difficult to adjust to. You only have to look at how long players take to fit in when they join City. It's the same situation at Arsenal. I don't think rebuilding Havertz from the ground up has been easy or in fact finished. He is going to improve. Rice has fit in very well, but again his game is only half finished. Rice does not have the attacking prowess of Rodri at the moment.
This is why most pundits who watch us often repeat that we haven't clicked yet. Not like last season. We are living of the understanding between Gabriel/Saliba and Rice is a quick learner. Similarly, Raya is still adjusting in his directional kicking, and understanding with his CBs. Thats why he has made mistakes coming for crosses rather than leaving it to them.
So like Liverpool we are nowhere near clicking and are going to get better! You've had Nunez, Diaz and Salah for more than a season and Gakpo joined last Jan. Not sure how you can use that as an excuse to why your attack lacks the penetration of your past! Mane/Salah/Firminho etc. were on another level.
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Easy to say we've had them for more than a season but Diaz Nunez and Gakpo we're all signed in different transfer windows to go with the revolution of the team.
I didn't use that as an excuse as to why our attack lacks penetration like the past. Does it? We are scoring plenty with a new team. Looking at my comments I don't know where that is coming from tbh. We have brought in Diaz, Nunez, Gakpo, Endo, Grab, AMA, Szobo.
That's 5 out of 6 starters. I've seen a lot of weird opinions since the game but acting like that is not major upheaval is a joke. If Arsenal had to replace just Saka and Martinelli alone, they might never challenge for the league again, you never know. A year is hardly enough as it took Arteta what? 5 years to get Arsenal to almost challenge for the league? What then is one year when tha year is full of arrivals and departures.l?
There's more I could say but I don't see the point. It's obvious to me that Arsenal are making tweaks while we are rebuilding. Denying that is deluded beyond belief
I am not even sure what your point is. Are you trying to make out that Arsenal are further down the line in development than Liverpool? Hilarious. Football doesn't work like that, and it doesn't afford time. Or why are Aston Villa doing so well and Man Utd and Newcastle in free-fall? If you honestly think like that development continues linearly and clubs don't need to spend £200m a season just to stand still, you are deluding yourself. Of course, Klopp will continue to use that excuse forever and not blame the fact that Nunez is a dud and Diaz is not having the sort of impact he had in his first season.
We've had issues with Martinelli regressing, but at least he is young enough to turn his form around. But he won't get that long. Arteta has learnt that from Pep. Every season is new and you literally after to start from beginning assuming nothing!
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I am not even sure what your point is. Are you trying to make out that Arsenal are further down the line in development than Liverpool? Hilarious. Football doesn't work like that, and it doesn't afford time. Or why are Aston Villa doing so well and Man Utd and Newcastle in free-fall? If you honestly think like that development continues linearly and clubs don't need to spend £200m a season just to stand still, you are deluding yourself. Of course, Klopp will continue to use that excuse forever and not blame the fact that Nunez is a dud and Diaz is not having the sort of impact he had in his first season.
We've had issues with Martinelli regressing, but at least he is young enough to turn his form around. But he won't get that long. Arteta has learnt that from Pep. Every season is new and you literally after to start from beginning assuming nothing!
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Remember Martinelli & Nketia haven’t cost us as much as Diaz and Nunez. Cody Gakpo was a panic buy to deny Man U a striker. That was genius by Klopp, coz Man U bought an expensive young Jackson like player.
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I am not even sure what your point is. Are you trying to make out that Arsenal are further down the line in development than Liverpool? Hilarious. Football doesn't work like that, and it doesn't afford time. Or why are Aston Villa doing so well and Man Utd and Newcastle in free-fall? If you honestly think like that development continues linearly and clubs don't need to spend £200m a season just to stand still, you are deluding yourself. Of course, Klopp will continue to use that excuse forever and not blame the fact that Nunez is a dud and Diaz is not having the sort of impact he had in his first season.
We've had issues with Martinelli regressing, but at least he is young enough to turn his form around. But he won't get that long. Arteta has learnt that from Pep. Every season is new and you literally after to start from beginning assuming nothing!
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Remember Martinelli & Nketia haven’t cost us as much as Diaz and Nunez. Cody Gakpo was a panic buy to deny Man U a striker. That was genius by Klopp, coz Man U bought an expensive young Jackson like player.
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OK
We also have players that cost very little or next to nothing and all the players we've brought in cost less than Rice and Havertz alone. You don't wanna go there.
Liverpool for me still title favourits.
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posted on 24/12/23
Fine margins tbh. Liverpool should really have more than one goal yesterday and if one of those chances go in, or the penalty is given then the narrative would be a bit different. Having said that it was great game of football and a great advert for the Prem, unlike the Man United game. Both ended in draws but I much prefer Arsenal to Busparkchester United. Kudos to both teams.
posted on 24/12/23
Bar that disgusting 20 min spell in the second half from Arsenal and that stupid counter attack given from our own corner we played well. Zinchenko and Martinelli on another day could’ve lost us the game. It was fortunate for us Liverpool poor decision making in final third plus the combo of Rice, Saliba and Gabriel were so solid.
posted on 24/12/23
The result was fair. As a home team you expect Liverpool to create more chances. I'll give it to Liverpool. They had the clearer chances all in all.
Great game of football. Two good teams showing how the game should be played.
posted on 24/12/23
I am confident of taking all three points when we play them at the Emirates in February .
posted on 24/12/23
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I am confident of taking all three points when we play them at the Emirates in February .
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Another day, a different game. Fine littel margins can decide games.
posted on 24/12/23
We do have a lot of injuries now plus Salah and Endo are off to AFCON and Asia cup who won't be available for the Emirates game(s). We really needed to win yesterday especially after that horrific performance against United. Definitely advantage Arsenal now.
posted on 24/12/23
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We do have a lot of injuries now plus Salah and Endo are off to AFCON and Asia cup who won't be available for the Emirates game(s). We really needed to win yesterday especially after that horrific performance against United. Definitely advantage Arsenal now.
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Nothing is done yet. Liverpool are well in.
A lot of games to play for. AFCON and Asia cup also a problem for us as well.
We had also some injuries so that is no excuse.
posted on 24/12/23
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I am confident of taking all three points when we play them at the Emirates in February .
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Could go either way.
posted on 24/12/23
It was a very interesting game. Reminded me of some of our ding dongs with city over the last few years, very intense, 2 high quality teams. Its testament to the job artetas done to see how much arsenal have improved. For years arsenal coming to anfield was almost a given 3 points for us. You just never handled the pressure at all. Yesterday though yous went toe to toe with us and there was very little in it.
Ive said it before but arsenals developmemt has reminded me so much of our own under Klopp. You wejt close last year, Rice appears to be the missing piece. I think youve got a great chance this year at going all the way. Still a year too early for us personally.
posted on 24/12/23
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We do have a lot of injuries now plus Salah and Endo are off to AFCON and Asia cup who won't be available for the Emirates game(s). We really needed to win yesterday especially after that horrific performance against United. Definitely advantage Arsenal now.
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Nothing is done yet. Liverpool are well in.
A lot of games to play for. AFCON and Asia cup also a problem for us as well.
We had also some injuries so that is no excuse.
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Liverpool have basically a whole new attack and midfield. I didn't think we'd be where we are at the start of the season. Arsenal have a more settled team that just challenged for the league last season.
It's about cycles. Liverpool are in a rebuild. Klopp's first crop won everything but has passed away. This is a new crop and we still need additions. Arsenal are at the peak of their cycle and need to win things before it lapses. Liverpool done very well to put ourselves in the title conversation.
posted on 24/12/23
I’ll always take a point again Liverpool, home or away, unless it’s a game you have to win (like last season).
posted on 24/12/23
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We do have a lot of injuries now plus Salah and Endo are off to AFCON and Asia cup who won't be available for the Emirates game(s). We really needed to win yesterday especially after that horrific performance against United. Definitely advantage Arsenal now.
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Nothing is done yet. Liverpool are well in.
A lot of games to play for. AFCON and Asia cup also a problem for us as well.
We had also some injuries so that is no excuse.
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Liverpool have basically a whole new attack and midfield. I didn't think we'd be where we are at the start of the season. Arsenal have a more settled team that just challenged for the league last season.
It's about cycles. Liverpool are in a rebuild. Klopp's first crop won everything but has passed away. This is a new crop and we still need additions. Arsenal are at the peak of their cycle and need to win things before it lapses. Liverpool done very well to put ourselves in the title conversation.
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We are also not at the end of our process yet. Still a lot to improve tactially and physically. Rice has given us the edge for our good defending that lacks a bit quality at the FB position at the moment due to injuries.
Liverpool still good upfront and for me personally the best attack in the league. Your midfield indeed lacks quality especially technically in my view.
posted on 24/12/23
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We do have a lot of injuries now plus Salah and Endo are off to AFCON and Asia cup who won't be available for the Emirates game(s). We really needed to win yesterday especially after that horrific performance against United. Definitely advantage Arsenal now.
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Nothing is done yet. Liverpool are well in.
A lot of games to play for. AFCON and Asia cup also a problem for us as well.
We had also some injuries so that is no excuse.
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Liverpool have basically a whole new attack and midfield. I didn't think we'd be where we are at the start of the season. Arsenal have a more settled team that just challenged for the league last season.
It's about cycles. Liverpool are in a rebuild. Klopp's first crop won everything but has passed away. This is a new crop and we still need additions. Arsenal are at the peak of their cycle and need to win things before it lapses. Liverpool done very well to put ourselves in the title conversation.
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We are also not at the end of our process yet. Still a lot to improve tactially and physically. Rice has given us the edge for our good defending that lacks a bit quality at the FB position at the moment due to injuries.
Liverpool still good upfront and for me personally the best attack in the league. Your midfield indeed lacks quality especially technically in my view.
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I feel Arsenal just need a few tweaks here and there. Most of what is needed is already there, especially a good mentality which is vital. We on the other hand have a whole new starting midfield signed just this summer and only Salah remains of our previous attack force.
It's quite an achievement to ship out your midfield and sign 4 new midfielders, 3 starting every game when fit, and still immediately go toe to toe with a more settled side like Arsenal. It's being overlooked a bit IMO.
posted on 24/12/23
Liverpool were at home! We'll see if Liverpool's performance yesterday was more indicative of how they are playing, or if they produce what they did against Utd for the rest of the season!
posted on 24/12/23
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posted 1 hour, 57 minutes ago
Liverpool were at home! We'll see if Liverpool's performance yesterday was more indicative of how they are playing, or if they produce what they did against Utd for the rest of the season!
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To be fair to us Arsenal had a full week to prepare while we had to progress in the league cup.
posted on 24/12/23
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posted 1 hour, 57 minutes ago
Liverpool were at home! We'll see if Liverpool's performance yesterday was more indicative of how they are playing, or if they produce what they did against Utd for the rest of the season!
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To be fair to us Arsenal had a full week to prepare while we had to progress in the league cup.
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You rested most of your first team. But you can't deny Liverpool away performances haven't been that great, but have been dominant at home till the Utd game. Like I said, we'll see, but you will certainly be there at the end like City, so I am not suggesting that Liverpool aren't in the title race. Just felt you needed to win more than us.
posted on 24/12/23
Arsenal are settling in a new midfield too tbh. Going from partey and xhaka to Rice and Havertz is a big delta.
There's just something off about both teams going forward. The attacks are just not quite clicking.
posted on 24/12/23
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posted 1 hour, 57 minutes ago
Liverpool were at home! We'll see if Liverpool's performance yesterday was more indicative of how they are playing, or if they produce what they did against Utd for the rest of the season!
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To be fair to us Arsenal had a full week to prepare while we had to progress in the league cup.
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You rested most of your first team. But you can't deny Liverpool away performances haven't been that great, but have been dominant at home till the Utd game. Like I said, we'll see, but you will certainly be there at the end like City, so I am not suggesting that Liverpool aren't in the title race. Just felt you needed to win more than us.
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Partey was missing for large parts of last season too. Rice and Havertz didn't even have to move house, did they? Rest of your team is the same and you had made a great move in signing Timber, but the injury curse struck. As I said, you just need tweaks. We have leeway to not win the league because of the revolution of the team whereas Arsenal have to win it soin after challenging last season and playing at an amazing level consistently for a couple years or so now.
posted on 24/12/23
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Partey was missing for large parts of last season too. Rice and Havertz didn't even have to move house, did they? Rest of your team is the same and you had made a great move in signing Timber, but the injury curse struck. As I said, you just need tweaks. We have leeway to not win the league because of the revolution of the team whereas Arsenal have to win it soin after challenging last season and playing at an amazing level consistently for a couple years or so now.
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Arteta plays a modified Pep system, which is notoriously difficult to adjust to. You only have to look at how long players take to fit in when they join City. It's the same situation at Arsenal. I don't think rebuilding Havertz from the ground up has been easy or in fact finished. He is going to improve. Rice has fit in very well, but again his game is only half finished. Rice does not have the attacking prowess of Rodri at the moment.
This is why most pundits who watch us often repeat that we haven't clicked yet. Not like last season. We are living of the understanding between Gabriel/Saliba and Rice is a quick learner. Similarly, Raya is still adjusting in his directional kicking, and understanding with his CBs. Thats why he has made mistakes coming for crosses rather than leaving it to them.
So like Liverpool we are nowhere near clicking and are going to get better! You've had Nunez, Diaz and Salah for more than a season and Gakpo joined last Jan. Not sure how you can use that as an excuse to why your attack lacks the penetration of your past! Mane/Salah/Firminho etc. were on another level.
posted on 25/12/23
Yeah, McAllister and sobozlai came with good reps. Removing the Stink of chelsea from havertz has been a huge challenge and will continue to be. Parteys injury has not really helped Rice, he's been shunted from #6 to #8 although he is selling at #6 now.
posted on 25/12/23
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 day ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - "When the facts are in your favour, you argue the facts. When facts are not in your favour you argue the process." (U1282)
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Partey was missing for large parts of last season too. Rice and Havertz didn't even have to move house, did they? Rest of your team is the same and you had made a great move in signing Timber, but the injury curse struck. As I said, you just need tweaks. We have leeway to not win the league because of the revolution of the team whereas Arsenal have to win it soin after challenging last season and playing at an amazing level consistently for a couple years or so now.
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Arteta plays a modified Pep system, which is notoriously difficult to adjust to. You only have to look at how long players take to fit in when they join City. It's the same situation at Arsenal. I don't think rebuilding Havertz from the ground up has been easy or in fact finished. He is going to improve. Rice has fit in very well, but again his game is only half finished. Rice does not have the attacking prowess of Rodri at the moment.
This is why most pundits who watch us often repeat that we haven't clicked yet. Not like last season. We are living of the understanding between Gabriel/Saliba and Rice is a quick learner. Similarly, Raya is still adjusting in his directional kicking, and understanding with his CBs. Thats why he has made mistakes coming for crosses rather than leaving it to them.
So like Liverpool we are nowhere near clicking and are going to get better! You've had Nunez, Diaz and Salah for more than a season and Gakpo joined last Jan. Not sure how you can use that as an excuse to why your attack lacks the penetration of your past! Mane/Salah/Firminho etc. were on another level.
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Easy to say we've had them for more than a season but Diaz Nunez and Gakpo we're all signed in different transfer windows to go with the revolution of the team.
I didn't use that as an excuse as to why our attack lacks penetration like the past. Does it? We are scoring plenty with a new team. Looking at my comments I don't know where that is coming from tbh. We have brought in Diaz, Nunez, Gakpo, Endo, Grab, AMA, Szobo.
That's 5 out of 6 starters. I've seen a lot of weird opinions since the game but acting like that is not major upheaval is a joke. If Arsenal had to replace just Saka and Martinelli alone, they might never challenge for the league again, you never know. A year is hardly enough as it took Arteta what? 5 years to get Arsenal to almost challenge for the league? What then is one year when tha year is full of arrivals and departures.l?
There's more I could say but I don't see the point. It's obvious to me that Arsenal are making tweaks while we are rebuilding. Denying that is deluded beyond belief
posted on 25/12/23
I am not even sure what your point is. Are you trying to make out that Arsenal are further down the line in development than Liverpool? Hilarious. Football doesn't work like that, and it doesn't afford time. Or why are Aston Villa doing so well and Man Utd and Newcastle in free-fall? If you honestly think like that development continues linearly and clubs don't need to spend £200m a season just to stand still, you are deluding yourself. Of course, Klopp will continue to use that excuse forever and not blame the fact that Nunez is a dud and Diaz is not having the sort of impact he had in his first season.
We've had issues with Martinelli regressing, but at least he is young enough to turn his form around. But he won't get that long. Arteta has learnt that from Pep. Every season is new and you literally after to start from beginning assuming nothing!
posted on 25/12/23
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 hour, 52 minutes ago
I am not even sure what your point is. Are you trying to make out that Arsenal are further down the line in development than Liverpool? Hilarious. Football doesn't work like that, and it doesn't afford time. Or why are Aston Villa doing so well and Man Utd and Newcastle in free-fall? If you honestly think like that development continues linearly and clubs don't need to spend £200m a season just to stand still, you are deluding yourself. Of course, Klopp will continue to use that excuse forever and not blame the fact that Nunez is a dud and Diaz is not having the sort of impact he had in his first season.
We've had issues with Martinelli regressing, but at least he is young enough to turn his form around. But he won't get that long. Arteta has learnt that from Pep. Every season is new and you literally after to start from beginning assuming nothing!
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Remember Martinelli & Nketia haven’t cost us as much as Diaz and Nunez. Cody Gakpo was a panic buy to deny Man U a striker. That was genius by Klopp, coz Man U bought an expensive young Jackson like player.
posted on 26/12/23
comment by “Delicious” Saliba (U22894)
posted 9 hours, 59 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 hour, 52 minutes ago
I am not even sure what your point is. Are you trying to make out that Arsenal are further down the line in development than Liverpool? Hilarious. Football doesn't work like that, and it doesn't afford time. Or why are Aston Villa doing so well and Man Utd and Newcastle in free-fall? If you honestly think like that development continues linearly and clubs don't need to spend £200m a season just to stand still, you are deluding yourself. Of course, Klopp will continue to use that excuse forever and not blame the fact that Nunez is a dud and Diaz is not having the sort of impact he had in his first season.
We've had issues with Martinelli regressing, but at least he is young enough to turn his form around. But he won't get that long. Arteta has learnt that from Pep. Every season is new and you literally after to start from beginning assuming nothing!
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Remember Martinelli & Nketia haven’t cost us as much as Diaz and Nunez. Cody Gakpo was a panic buy to deny Man U a striker. That was genius by Klopp, coz Man U bought an expensive young Jackson like player.
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OK
We also have players that cost very little or next to nothing and all the players we've brought in cost less than Rice and Havertz alone. You don't wanna go there.
posted on 26/12/23
Liverpool for me still title favourits.
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