He said he told United in 2018, before he was manager to sign Haaland. Then he went to Salzburg and got injured and Solksjaer said to sign him again for €20m. Then they tried to sign him when he started scoring goals but he went to Dortmund instead
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 1 hour, 40 minutes ago
We’d have broken Haaland anyway.
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This.
comment by UmaThurmans_BigToe (U22864)
posted 2 hours, 38 minutes ago
I think his comments have merit and there is lessons to be learnt for the new guys coming in.
As for what would have happened? I have said before and still believe if United had signed
VVD
KDB
Halaand
Mbappe
Bellingham
Salah
Every single one of them would have flopped. The culture top to bottom was/is is not one where any player can come in and thrive. We've had the best of the best come in at United and turn into a shell of themselves.
What is important now is the club is rebuilt ground up and then maybe in 3-5 seasons from now think about signing the next Mbappe etc and expect them to hit the ground running or signing the next Bellingham and turning him into a world beater.
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Once the players are in the door, I fail to see what impact, if any, the club structure above the manager would have on on field performance.
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 2 hours, 47 minutes ago
It's odd he tells it differently in the Overlap interview.
He says he told United to sign him when he had only recently joined Salzburg and hadn't yet played for them but was available for €20m and then tried to sign him when he was manager of United but Haaland chose Dortmund.
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He recommended the player to United whilst he was at Molde.
He recommended they buy just after his Salzburg move.
The club later bid for him when he was ready to move on, eventually ending up at Dortmund.
Did he say that first bit, I must have missed that?
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 11 minutes ago
Did he say that first bit, I must have missed that?
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Yes. Deffo says it.
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by UmaThurmans_BigToe (U22864)
posted 2 hours, 38 minutes ago
I think his comments have merit and there is lessons to be learnt for the new guys coming in.
As for what would have happened? I have said before and still believe if United had signed
VVD
KDB
Halaand
Mbappe
Bellingham
Salah
Every single one of them would have flopped. The culture top to bottom was/is is not one where any player can come in and thrive. We've had the best of the best come in at United and turn into a shell of themselves.
What is important now is the club is rebuilt ground up and then maybe in 3-5 seasons from now think about signing the next Mbappe etc and expect them to hit the ground running or signing the next Bellingham and turning him into a world beater.
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Once the players are in the door, I fail to see what impact, if any, the club structure above the manager would have on on field performance.
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Could you elaborate? You’ve never told us before what you think of Woodward and the Glazers.
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by UmaThurmans_BigToe (U22864)
posted 2 hours, 38 minutes ago
I think his comments have merit and there is lessons to be learnt for the new guys coming in.
As for what would have happened? I have said before and still believe if United had signed
VVD
KDB
Halaand
Mbappe
Bellingham
Salah
Every single one of them would have flopped. The culture top to bottom was/is is not one where any player can come in and thrive. We've had the best of the best come in at United and turn into a shell of themselves.
What is important now is the club is rebuilt ground up and then maybe in 3-5 seasons from now think about signing the next Mbappe etc and expect them to hit the ground running or signing the next Bellingham and turning him into a world beater.
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Once the players are in the door, I fail to see what impact, if any, the club structure above the manager would have on on field performance.
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Could you elaborate? You’ve never told us before what you think of Woodward and the Glazers.
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Woodward was out of his depth, and the Glazers have sucked every cent they can from the club.
Neither fact changes the point I made.
You didn’t really need to elaborate, RDD. Everyone knows your daft views on them.
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 2 hours, 17 minutes ago
You didn’t really need to elaborate, RDD. Everyone knows your daft views on them.
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One of our many problems is that over the last ten years we haven’t had many sustained periods (longer than 3 months say) when 5 or 6 of our players are all playing well at their best all at the same time.
Instead we have mostly just one, maybe two players in proper form at the same time.
An easy observation is that not one of our first team would get into City’s team, not one. As simple as that is, it does say a lot.
But worse than that for me is that we haven’t had a trio or quartet of players playing very well for two season in a row say. Inspiring the others, dragging the team. We have a Rashford or a Bruno or De Gea when we was literally saving us (before costing us).
Top teams like City, Liverpool and Arsenal now like our old United sides have many (if not nearly all) of their first team in good/very good/top form. Hence why we keep ‘playing in moments’ like GNev says.
Last season when we played well for a few months we had this with Bruno, Rashy, Casemiro, Martinez, Varane (when fit) and Shaw playing 7 or 8 out 10 most weeks. Other than periods like that we have one player that we’re relying on and that won’t get you anywhere other than where we are now. We’re too weak mentally that we only get a rounded good performance when we’re on a bit of a run.
Lots of teams have injuries but we definitely have had a rough ride in that regard to be fair as unlike City, what comes in is nowhere near top 4 material.
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 5 hours, 1 minute ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by UmaThurmans_BigToe (U22864)
posted 2 hours, 38 minutes ago
I think his comments have merit and there is lessons to be learnt for the new guys coming in.
As for what would have happened? I have said before and still believe if United had signed
VVD
KDB
Halaand
Mbappe
Bellingham
Salah
Every single one of them would have flopped. The culture top to bottom was/is is not one where any player can come in and thrive. We've had the best of the best come in at United and turn into a shell of themselves.
What is important now is the club is rebuilt ground up and then maybe in 3-5 seasons from now think about signing the next Mbappe etc and expect them to hit the ground running or signing the next Bellingham and turning him into a world beater.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Once the players are in the door, I fail to see what impact, if any, the club structure above the manager would have on on field performance.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Could you elaborate? You’ve never told us before what you think of Woodward and the Glazers.
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Woodward was out of his depth, and the Glazers have sucked every cent they can from the club.
Neither fact changes the point I made.
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Well that’s the point once they’re in they’re on too much money, don’t have the right attitude and also join a club that was the top dog but isn’t elite anymore in terms of facilities, stadium, supporting staff etc
The structure above was tolerating poor attitudes and performances and even rewarding it. That creates an atmosphere of no consequences for failure, no winning mentality and ‘come here for a nice ride and earn well playing for a big name’.
Fergie or City’s structure wouldn’t have signed most of the players we have and would have fired many much earlier than we ever have. That sets a tone, a standard of excellence. obedience and then you’re left with players all on the same page attitude-wise.
This is why manager after manager has failed after a season or so. It’s not always just down to them, it’s very hard to change a club’s ora these days. Fergie did it, Wenger did it, Pep does as does Klopp. Not many have the gravitas and ability to do this alone as a manager/coach when dealing with top players earning an absolute fortune with huge egos.
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 14 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by UmaThurmans_BigToe (U22864)
posted 2 hours, 38 minutes ago
I think his comments have merit and there is lessons to be learnt for the new guys coming in.
As for what would have happened? I have said before and still believe if United had signed
VVD
KDB
Halaand
Mbappe
Bellingham
Salah
Every single one of them would have flopped. The culture top to bottom was/is is not one where any player can come in and thrive. We've had the best of the best come in at United and turn into a shell of themselves.
What is important now is the club is rebuilt ground up and then maybe in 3-5 seasons from now think about signing the next Mbappe etc and expect them to hit the ground running or signing the next Bellingham and turning him into a world beater.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Once the players are in the door, I fail to see what impact, if any, the club structure above the manager would have on on field performance.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The set the tone and dictate the culture.
If the feeling is that the ultimate bosses do not care so long as the dividends keep coming and that on pitch success is secondary to that, then this will filter down like it would in any organisation.
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 10 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 2 hours, 17 minutes ago
You didn’t really need to elaborate, RDD. Everyone knows your daft views on them.
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?
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Needing to explain the bleedin obvious to RDD.
Again.
LOL.
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 1 hour, 53 minutes ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 2 hours, 17 minutes ago
You didn’t really need to elaborate, RDD. Everyone knows your daft views on them.
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?
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If my boss let me work place fall apart. Recruited and paid garbage employees huge wages, and then "renegotiated" even bigger wages for not achieving anything then yes it will create a bad environment for all staff. Not rocket science. That is part of many problems with this club though
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posted on 6/3/24
He said he told United in 2018, before he was manager to sign Haaland. Then he went to Salzburg and got injured and Solksjaer said to sign him again for €20m. Then they tried to sign him when he started scoring goals but he went to Dortmund instead
posted on 6/3/24
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 1 hour, 40 minutes ago
We’d have broken Haaland anyway.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This.
posted on 6/3/24
comment by UmaThurmans_BigToe (U22864)
posted 2 hours, 38 minutes ago
I think his comments have merit and there is lessons to be learnt for the new guys coming in.
As for what would have happened? I have said before and still believe if United had signed
VVD
KDB
Halaand
Mbappe
Bellingham
Salah
Every single one of them would have flopped. The culture top to bottom was/is is not one where any player can come in and thrive. We've had the best of the best come in at United and turn into a shell of themselves.
What is important now is the club is rebuilt ground up and then maybe in 3-5 seasons from now think about signing the next Mbappe etc and expect them to hit the ground running or signing the next Bellingham and turning him into a world beater.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Once the players are in the door, I fail to see what impact, if any, the club structure above the manager would have on on field performance.
posted on 6/3/24
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 2 hours, 47 minutes ago
It's odd he tells it differently in the Overlap interview.
He says he told United to sign him when he had only recently joined Salzburg and hadn't yet played for them but was available for €20m and then tried to sign him when he was manager of United but Haaland chose Dortmund.
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He recommended the player to United whilst he was at Molde.
He recommended they buy just after his Salzburg move.
The club later bid for him when he was ready to move on, eventually ending up at Dortmund.
posted on 6/3/24
Did he say that first bit, I must have missed that?
posted on 6/3/24
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 11 minutes ago
Did he say that first bit, I must have missed that?
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Yes. Deffo says it.
posted on 6/3/24
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by UmaThurmans_BigToe (U22864)
posted 2 hours, 38 minutes ago
I think his comments have merit and there is lessons to be learnt for the new guys coming in.
As for what would have happened? I have said before and still believe if United had signed
VVD
KDB
Halaand
Mbappe
Bellingham
Salah
Every single one of them would have flopped. The culture top to bottom was/is is not one where any player can come in and thrive. We've had the best of the best come in at United and turn into a shell of themselves.
What is important now is the club is rebuilt ground up and then maybe in 3-5 seasons from now think about signing the next Mbappe etc and expect them to hit the ground running or signing the next Bellingham and turning him into a world beater.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Once the players are in the door, I fail to see what impact, if any, the club structure above the manager would have on on field performance.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Could you elaborate? You’ve never told us before what you think of Woodward and the Glazers.
posted on 6/3/24
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by UmaThurmans_BigToe (U22864)
posted 2 hours, 38 minutes ago
I think his comments have merit and there is lessons to be learnt for the new guys coming in.
As for what would have happened? I have said before and still believe if United had signed
VVD
KDB
Halaand
Mbappe
Bellingham
Salah
Every single one of them would have flopped. The culture top to bottom was/is is not one where any player can come in and thrive. We've had the best of the best come in at United and turn into a shell of themselves.
What is important now is the club is rebuilt ground up and then maybe in 3-5 seasons from now think about signing the next Mbappe etc and expect them to hit the ground running or signing the next Bellingham and turning him into a world beater.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Once the players are in the door, I fail to see what impact, if any, the club structure above the manager would have on on field performance.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Could you elaborate? You’ve never told us before what you think of Woodward and the Glazers.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Woodward was out of his depth, and the Glazers have sucked every cent they can from the club.
Neither fact changes the point I made.
posted on 6/3/24
You didn’t really need to elaborate, RDD. Everyone knows your daft views on them.
posted on 6/3/24
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 2 hours, 17 minutes ago
You didn’t really need to elaborate, RDD. Everyone knows your daft views on them.
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?
posted on 7/3/24
One of our many problems is that over the last ten years we haven’t had many sustained periods (longer than 3 months say) when 5 or 6 of our players are all playing well at their best all at the same time.
Instead we have mostly just one, maybe two players in proper form at the same time.
An easy observation is that not one of our first team would get into City’s team, not one. As simple as that is, it does say a lot.
But worse than that for me is that we haven’t had a trio or quartet of players playing very well for two season in a row say. Inspiring the others, dragging the team. We have a Rashford or a Bruno or De Gea when we was literally saving us (before costing us).
Top teams like City, Liverpool and Arsenal now like our old United sides have many (if not nearly all) of their first team in good/very good/top form. Hence why we keep ‘playing in moments’ like GNev says.
Last season when we played well for a few months we had this with Bruno, Rashy, Casemiro, Martinez, Varane (when fit) and Shaw playing 7 or 8 out 10 most weeks. Other than periods like that we have one player that we’re relying on and that won’t get you anywhere other than where we are now. We’re too weak mentally that we only get a rounded good performance when we’re on a bit of a run.
Lots of teams have injuries but we definitely have had a rough ride in that regard to be fair as unlike City, what comes in is nowhere near top 4 material.
posted on 7/3/24
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 5 hours, 1 minute ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by UmaThurmans_BigToe (U22864)
posted 2 hours, 38 minutes ago
I think his comments have merit and there is lessons to be learnt for the new guys coming in.
As for what would have happened? I have said before and still believe if United had signed
VVD
KDB
Halaand
Mbappe
Bellingham
Salah
Every single one of them would have flopped. The culture top to bottom was/is is not one where any player can come in and thrive. We've had the best of the best come in at United and turn into a shell of themselves.
What is important now is the club is rebuilt ground up and then maybe in 3-5 seasons from now think about signing the next Mbappe etc and expect them to hit the ground running or signing the next Bellingham and turning him into a world beater.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Once the players are in the door, I fail to see what impact, if any, the club structure above the manager would have on on field performance.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Could you elaborate? You’ve never told us before what you think of Woodward and the Glazers.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Woodward was out of his depth, and the Glazers have sucked every cent they can from the club.
Neither fact changes the point I made.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well that’s the point once they’re in they’re on too much money, don’t have the right attitude and also join a club that was the top dog but isn’t elite anymore in terms of facilities, stadium, supporting staff etc
The structure above was tolerating poor attitudes and performances and even rewarding it. That creates an atmosphere of no consequences for failure, no winning mentality and ‘come here for a nice ride and earn well playing for a big name’.
Fergie or City’s structure wouldn’t have signed most of the players we have and would have fired many much earlier than we ever have. That sets a tone, a standard of excellence. obedience and then you’re left with players all on the same page attitude-wise.
This is why manager after manager has failed after a season or so. It’s not always just down to them, it’s very hard to change a club’s ora these days. Fergie did it, Wenger did it, Pep does as does Klopp. Not many have the gravitas and ability to do this alone as a manager/coach when dealing with top players earning an absolute fortune with huge egos.
posted on 7/3/24
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 14 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by UmaThurmans_BigToe (U22864)
posted 2 hours, 38 minutes ago
I think his comments have merit and there is lessons to be learnt for the new guys coming in.
As for what would have happened? I have said before and still believe if United had signed
VVD
KDB
Halaand
Mbappe
Bellingham
Salah
Every single one of them would have flopped. The culture top to bottom was/is is not one where any player can come in and thrive. We've had the best of the best come in at United and turn into a shell of themselves.
What is important now is the club is rebuilt ground up and then maybe in 3-5 seasons from now think about signing the next Mbappe etc and expect them to hit the ground running or signing the next Bellingham and turning him into a world beater.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Once the players are in the door, I fail to see what impact, if any, the club structure above the manager would have on on field performance.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The set the tone and dictate the culture.
If the feeling is that the ultimate bosses do not care so long as the dividends keep coming and that on pitch success is secondary to that, then this will filter down like it would in any organisation.
posted on 7/3/24
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 10 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 2 hours, 17 minutes ago
You didn’t really need to elaborate, RDD. Everyone knows your daft views on them.
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?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
?
posted on 7/3/24
Needing to explain the bleedin obvious to RDD.
Again.
LOL.
posted on 7/3/24
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 1 hour, 53 minutes ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 2 hours, 17 minutes ago
You didn’t really need to elaborate, RDD. Everyone knows your daft views on them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
?
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If my boss let me work place fall apart. Recruited and paid garbage employees huge wages, and then "renegotiated" even bigger wages for not achieving anything then yes it will create a bad environment for all staff. Not rocket science. That is part of many problems with this club though
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