While we're at it, I also have Sling and Peacock subscriptions. Those two get me access to the Prem
and all the top euro leagues. FA Cup, Champions League, and other Euro cups. Oh, and South & North American Cups like CONCACAF, and Copa America.
European Championships. And obviously, the World Cup. Qualifiers and tournaments.
And the MLS - but that's sh 1 the.
Like I said, I spend too much money - and time
watching football. Beats doing drugs. Sorta.
comment by Dennis - Always Leeds - Always Loyal. (U23086)
posted 1 hour, 36 minutes ago
Is there a team out of Portsmouth, Derby or the chasing pack capable of doing an Ipswich next season?
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Portsmouth have money, they normally fall apart after Christmas every season and they started to this season, but they managed to hold off and then finish very strongly.
If we don't go up, I think we'll walk it next season. But we need to move quite a few on and add to what talent we have
comment by Batty (U4664)
posted 15 minutes ago
I spend too much money on sports tv subscriptions.
ESPN being one. With that one I can watch Championship, League One, and League Two matches.
In other words, I watch everything they put on, including Plymouth games. And then highlights of every game.
It's great. He did look good. He played more like a 10 at times. More advanced. But that's my opinion.
His manager's opinion is the one that matters.
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Yet the question remains, which matches di you actually watch?
Sorry Batty, not meaning to push on you personally but I always find it incredible when these players go out on loan and suddenly answer to everything.
Only ones I can think of in last 40 years who came back better after loan were Somma and Beckford and look how Somma turned out....
I absolutely agree that this is do or die. I have felt all season that if we don’t go up this season, we will do another long stretch. Player mutiny of sorts again will happen, dealing with loanees, no PL money……our squad has to be massively reconstructed irrespective of what league we are in. It looks like a right conundrum to me . It feels like our only hope is a Coventry win….can’t see us winning playoffs at all.
A lot of pessimism on here about next season in the championship. I think if we stay down, we go up automatically next season. We’ve got 90 points - that would have taken us up in any other season, in fact is only 3 less points than Bielsa’s amazing team that won the league by 10 points. As disappointing as the last 5 games have been, the club is incredibly unlucky to not be looking at a promotion now.
Next year it’s very unlikely they’ll be 4 teams that all get above 85 points as this season. The teams coming down will be competitive but they don’t have the quality of players that Leicester came down with and there won’t be another Ipswich.
Summerville will definitely go, and probably Gnonto after he wanted to leave last year. Archie Gray might but then he looks a way off being ready to play midfield in the PL. We’d get good fees for all 3. Rutter I would be surprised if anyone paid what the club would want because as great as he can be, he’s still very raw. 6 goals is a pretty awful return.
I can’t see others leaving, maybe Meslier but he’s easily replaceable. We’ll have the bulk of a team that has just narrowly missed out, we’d need 4 or 5 signings. Rodon would be a very achievable deal, he’s got a year left on his contract, this is the most club football he’s played since going to Spurs, I think that’s an easy one to sort.
The loanees are an issue again, I’d think that a couple would want a permanent move now that would allow us to recoup some funds. Harrison surely will go permanently to a prem club, they won’t want to be going out on loan constantly. Maybe even one will return here and try rebuild their career, Kristensen wouldn’t be a shock as we have a gap at right back and he’s had an awful year at Roma.
Bielsa’s first season felt the same - we had to go up. We sold 2 of our best players and brought in some loanees and stormed the league
"I think if we stay down, we go up automatically next season. We’ve got 90 points - that would have taken us up in any other season, "
Just because we got 90 points doesn't mean we get 90 points next season.
Teams coming down will be better quality than us and then its us again 3 others plays a wildcard (like Ipswich were) instead of us against 2 others and a wildcard this season except we have a lesser teams because we'll have lost 2/3/4 players, really not seeing how people think we'll suddenly walk this league next season.
And all whilst trying to pay off 190m.
I think all loanees would like a permanent move, but the reason why we said we couldnt do it last season (we'd make a loss) are even starker now as these players have a year left of contract so are worth less and haven't done themselves any favours with their performances....we are going to struggle to get anything for any of them now and some of them we have let go already for effectively nothing - Koch.
I don't know how that plays out this summer, but it's huge liability for us if we go up and even more so if we don't.
Obviously it doesn’t guarantee 90 points but it tells us that over the season we have been a great team, even after effectively giving everyone else a month headstart. That’s not going to disappear over the summer.
Without the chaos of last August and Farke being able to have a proper preseason knowing who his team is going to be, will give us a better start to the season. We will lose a couple of players at least but the bulk of this team that has got 90 points will still be here.
We can’t say we’ll be a lesser team, we've not seen who replaces the ones who leave. All ifs and buts, none of us can say what state the team will be in, but I don’t see this nightmare scenario painted in this thread where all our good players leave and we don’t replace them.
Obviously it doesn’t guarantee 90 points but it tells us that over the season we have been a great team, even after effectively giving everyone else a month headstart. That’s not going to disappear over the summer.
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Look at what happened to Barnsley, 5th in 2021, relegated bottom next season. Huddersfield third in 2022, 18th the next season. Look at us winning title in 92, couldn't win a game away from home the next season.
Just cos we had a good season this year absolutely no guarantee of anything next year especially when most of our good players will be sold if we dont go up.
Only ray of hope I see is that our transfer business in terms of inbound players was better than it has been in recent years, but then we went and did absolutely nothing in January which might well have cost us chance of promotion.
...bulk of the players thst have scored goals this season?
Look at what happened to Barnsley, 5th in 2021, relegated bottom next season. Huddersfield third in 2022, 18th the next season. Look at us winning title in 92, couldn't win a game away from home the next season.
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All those teams mention overachieved. Do you think this Leeds team have over achieved being at the top this season? I don’t.
I only really expect Gnonto and Summerville to go this summer. I just cannot see a club paying the fee for Rutter given how raw he still is. James has been inconsistent in the PL. Gray will have interest but I think an extra year helps him. We obviously need to replace them but I’m hopeful we will, it’s not major surgery like last summer that’s needed
the fee for Rutter?
What fee?
We owe 190m, we're not really the ones being able to dictate fees here.
I agree and extra year will help Gray, do you think the club will think that though when they're offered 50mill?
comment by Batty (U4664)
posted 17 hours, 5 minutes ago
While we're at it, I also have Sling and Peacock subscriptions. Those two get me access to the Prem
and all the top euro leagues. FA Cup, Champions League, and other Euro cups. Oh, and South & North American Cups like CONCACAF, and Copa America.
European Championships. And obviously, the World Cup. Qualifiers and tournaments.
And the MLS - but that's sh 1 the.
Like I said, I spend too much money - and time
watching football. Beats doing drugs. Sorta.
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Ever thought of getting a dog, Batty? It might make you happier
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 8 hours, 13 minutes ago
Obviously it doesn’t guarantee 90 points but it tells us that over the season we have been a great team, even after effectively giving everyone else a month headstart. That’s not going to disappear over the summer.
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Look at what happened to Barnsley, 5th in 2021, relegated bottom next season. Huddersfield third in 2022, 18th the next season. Look at us winning title in 92, couldn't win a game away from home the next season.
Just cos we had a good season this year absolutely no guarantee of anything next year especially when most of our good players will be sold if we dont go up.
Only ray of hope I see is that our transfer business in terms of inbound players was better than it has been in recent years, but then we went and did absolutely nothing in January which might well have cost us chance of promotion.
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I agree with you about our improvement in the transfer market but I was gutted in January when we didn't get Carvalho because we couldn't guarantee him first team football.
But didn't the 49'ers buy the club at a cut-price rate precisely because of the difficulties with debt and loan players? Shouldn't the funds be in place to clear our debts from next season? I remember this issue being raised at the time of the takeover and being told that the 49'ers had made provision in the costs for a second season in the Championship if it was needed.
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 8 hours, 57 minutes ago
the fee for Rutter?
What fee?
We owe 190m, we're not really the ones being able to dictate fees here.
I agree and extra year will help Gray, do you think the club will think that though when they're offered 50mill?
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Come on it’s not a fire sale, of course Leeds can dictate a fee. I don’t see anyone paying what Rutter is worth yet, maybe wrong and someone will think they can iron out those bits of game.
An offer like that for Gray definitely but again I don’t see clubs offering that kind of money for him at current stage.
This £190 isn’t all due as one big payment one 1st August. It’s what is remaining in transfer fees over years, it’s obviously worrying long term but it’s not a case of Leeds need to sell all their players this summer to pay for that. From what I’ve read, about £80 million is due between June 2023 and June 2024, well we’ve already sold Sinisterra and Adams in that time so it’s not as bleak as you’re making out. Plus as comment above, 49ers may be planning to cover the cash flow costs, it’s not all player sales.
Summerville, Gnonto, Harrison and maybe one other - that raises a good chunk of money.
Not sure the teams coming down have a better squad than us currently. Sheffield Utd are awful.
comment by Batty (U4664)
posted 20 hours, 36 minutes ago
If we don't go up:
Rodon & Anthony return to parent clubs. Will Roberts
return to Burnley if they get relegated? Probably.
I can see Rutter & Meslier moving to French clubs
for collectively 20 mill maybe 25 mill.
Summerville to the Prem for anywhere between
20 - 40 mill. Gnonto to a Euro side 15 - 20 maybe.
Firpo will go back to Spain. Might get 5 mill for him.
A lot of chatter around Gray. He'll be sold.
Could see 20 - 25 mill for him.
Cooper & Shacks will move on.
What will the club do about Prioe? He doesn't fit
Farke's system. No way we get back what we paid.
Probably 10 - 12 for him after this season.
Can't see Byram staying. Good player but made of glass.
Be shocked if Cresswell & Joffy don't press for moves
after being messed about by Farke all season.
Perkins and Gyabi? I'd keep Gyabi.
Positive: we have Bamford 2 more seasons.
Leaves a handful of Farke's core group to build around.
And then there's the 190 mill and loanee headaches.
Fun summer.
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Daftest comment ive read in a while. So you'd sell the entire squad even though we had finished third 🤣
comment by Outwood White (U9610)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Batty (U4664)
posted 20 hours, 36 minutes ago
If we don't go up:
Rodon & Anthony return to parent clubs. Will Roberts
return to Burnley if they get relegated? Probably.
I can see Rutter & Meslier moving to French clubs
for collectively 20 mill maybe 25 mill.
Summerville to the Prem for anywhere between
20 - 40 mill. Gnonto to a Euro side 15 - 20 maybe.
Firpo will go back to Spain. Might get 5 mill for him.
A lot of chatter around Gray. He'll be sold.
Could see 20 - 25 mill for him.
Cooper & Shacks will move on.
What will the club do about Prioe? He doesn't fit
Farke's system. No way we get back what we paid.
Probably 10 - 12 for him after this season.
Can't see Byram staying. Good player but made of glass.
Be shocked if Cresswell & Joffy don't press for moves
after being messed about by Farke all season.
Perkins and Gyabi? I'd keep Gyabi.
Positive: we have Bamford 2 more seasons.
Leaves a handful of Farke's core group to build around.
And then there's the 190 mill and loanee headaches.
Fun summer.
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Daftest comment ive read in a while. So you'd sell the entire squad even though we had finished third 🤣
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Think you are missing the point, this is the reality in which we are likely to find ourselves.
I don't agree with Batty's assessment it's far too negative. I don't think he wants a clear out though given how we have capitulated recently changes would really benefit us.
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posted 2 hours ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 8 hours, 57 minutes ago
the fee for Rutter?
What fee?
We owe 190m, we're not really the ones being able to dictate fees here.
I agree and extra year will help Gray, do you think the club will think that though when they're offered 50mill?
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Come on it’s not a fire sale, of course Leeds can dictate a fee. I don’t see anyone paying what Rutter is worth yet, maybe wrong and someone will think they can iron out those bits of game.
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Out of interest, if we had to sell, what is Rutter worth? We clearly paid way over market value for him and the £35.5m is said to have been quite a monkey on his back, how much is he worth now?
comment by Dennis - Always Leeds - Always Loyal. (U23086)
posted 1 hour, 50 minutes ago
comment by Outwood White (U9610)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Batty (U4664)
posted 20 hours, 36 minutes ago
If we don't go up:
Rodon & Anthony return to parent clubs. Will Roberts
return to Burnley if they get relegated? Probably.
I can see Rutter & Meslier moving to French clubs
for collectively 20 mill maybe 25 mill.
Summerville to the Prem for anywhere between
20 - 40 mill. Gnonto to a Euro side 15 - 20 maybe.
Firpo will go back to Spain. Might get 5 mill for him.
A lot of chatter around Gray. He'll be sold.
Could see 20 - 25 mill for him.
Cooper & Shacks will move on.
What will the club do about Prioe? He doesn't fit
Farke's system. No way we get back what we paid.
Probably 10 - 12 for him after this season.
Can't see Byram staying. Good player but made of glass.
Be shocked if Cresswell & Joffy don't press for moves
after being messed about by Farke all season.
Perkins and Gyabi? I'd keep Gyabi.
Positive: we have Bamford 2 more seasons.
Leaves a handful of Farke's core group to build around.
And then there's the 190 mill and loanee headaches.
Fun summer.
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Daftest comment ive read in a while. So you'd sell the entire squad even though we had finished third 🤣
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Think you are missing the point, this is the reality in which we are likely to find ourselves.
I don't agree with Batty's assessment it's far too negative. I don't think he wants a clear out though given how we have capitulated recently changes would really benefit us.
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A few changes - no a drastic rebuild. We will probably lose Gnonto and Summerville. Think we will keep the rest. So Rutter is now a bad player yet he was in the EFL team of the season?!
The fringe players are an issue.
Shackleton, Anthony, Cresswell, Gelhardt, Cooper, Ayling
Barely seen any of these players so wouldnt be a big loss if we lose any of them.
comment by Outwood White (U9610)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Dennis - Always Leeds - Always Loyal. (U23086)
posted 1 hour, 50 minutes ago
comment by Outwood White (U9610)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Batty (U4664)
posted 20 hours, 36 minutes ago
If we don't go up:
Rodon & Anthony return to parent clubs. Will Roberts
return to Burnley if they get relegated? Probably.
I can see Rutter & Meslier moving to French clubs
for collectively 20 mill maybe 25 mill.
Summerville to the Prem for anywhere between
20 - 40 mill. Gnonto to a Euro side 15 - 20 maybe.
Firpo will go back to Spain. Might get 5 mill for him.
A lot of chatter around Gray. He'll be sold.
Could see 20 - 25 mill for him.
Cooper & Shacks will move on.
What will the club do about Prioe? He doesn't fit
Farke's system. No way we get back what we paid.
Probably 10 - 12 for him after this season.
Can't see Byram staying. Good player but made of glass.
Be shocked if Cresswell & Joffy don't press for moves
after being messed about by Farke all season.
Perkins and Gyabi? I'd keep Gyabi.
Positive: we have Bamford 2 more seasons.
Leaves a handful of Farke's core group to build around.
And then there's the 190 mill and loanee headaches.
Fun summer.
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Daftest comment ive read in a while. So you'd sell the entire squad even though we had finished third 🤣
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Think you are missing the point, this is the reality in which we are likely to find ourselves.
I don't agree with Batty's assessment it's far too negative. I don't think he wants a clear out though given how we have capitulated recently changes would really benefit us.
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A few changes - no a drastic rebuild. We will probably lose Gnonto and Summerville. Think we will keep the rest. So Rutter is now a bad player yet he was in the EFL team of the season?!
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Who is saying Rutter is a bad player?
comment by Outwood White (U9610)
posted 14 minutes ago
The fringe players are an issue.
Shackleton, Anthony, Cresswell, Gelhardt, Cooper, Ayling
Barely seen any of these players so wouldnt be a big loss if we lose any of them.
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Anthony is a loan player, there is no requirement for us to buy him, he will not be part of the squad after May 31st, I suspect the same will be true of both Rodon and Roberts.
Ayling is tipped to sign for Sheffield Wednesday.
I am expecting that Shackleton will move on.
Expecting Joffy to press for a move as he's effectively been unused this season - 9 appearances (mostly sub?). He's better than that at this level, same for Cresswell who's proved he's good.
Rutter is still young and is definitely the most creative in the EFL on his day, problem is his goal scoring is poor for the position he plays , 6 ,and his decision making needs a lot of improvement.
We have 25 goals from James and Piroe alone, and 27 from Wilf and Cry. (Paddy has 8).
Not sure we need a clear out, but we do need to fix the Piroe conundrum.
Suspect Rodon may be gone as other teams have watched him being very good this season.
Anthony has been under used and he will be another who wants to avoid being mister 80 minutes every now and again. Ironically I don't think the Cherries need him going by latest results, but he will want away to first team footy.
Yes Anthony and Rodon are loanees but can't see them coming back.
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posted on 28/4/24
While we're at it, I also have Sling and Peacock subscriptions. Those two get me access to the Prem
and all the top euro leagues. FA Cup, Champions League, and other Euro cups. Oh, and South & North American Cups like CONCACAF, and Copa America.
European Championships. And obviously, the World Cup. Qualifiers and tournaments.
And the MLS - but that's sh 1 the.
Like I said, I spend too much money - and time
watching football. Beats doing drugs. Sorta.
posted on 28/4/24
comment by Dennis - Always Leeds - Always Loyal. (U23086)
posted 1 hour, 36 minutes ago
Is there a team out of Portsmouth, Derby or the chasing pack capable of doing an Ipswich next season?
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Portsmouth have money, they normally fall apart after Christmas every season and they started to this season, but they managed to hold off and then finish very strongly.
If we don't go up, I think we'll walk it next season. But we need to move quite a few on and add to what talent we have
posted on 28/4/24
comment by Batty (U4664)
posted 15 minutes ago
I spend too much money on sports tv subscriptions.
ESPN being one. With that one I can watch Championship, League One, and League Two matches.
In other words, I watch everything they put on, including Plymouth games. And then highlights of every game.
It's great. He did look good. He played more like a 10 at times. More advanced. But that's my opinion.
His manager's opinion is the one that matters.
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Yet the question remains, which matches di you actually watch?
posted on 28/4/24
Sorry Batty, not meaning to push on you personally but I always find it incredible when these players go out on loan and suddenly answer to everything.
Only ones I can think of in last 40 years who came back better after loan were Somma and Beckford and look how Somma turned out....
posted on 28/4/24
I absolutely agree that this is do or die. I have felt all season that if we don’t go up this season, we will do another long stretch. Player mutiny of sorts again will happen, dealing with loanees, no PL money……our squad has to be massively reconstructed irrespective of what league we are in. It looks like a right conundrum to me . It feels like our only hope is a Coventry win….can’t see us winning playoffs at all.
posted on 28/4/24
A lot of pessimism on here about next season in the championship. I think if we stay down, we go up automatically next season. We’ve got 90 points - that would have taken us up in any other season, in fact is only 3 less points than Bielsa’s amazing team that won the league by 10 points. As disappointing as the last 5 games have been, the club is incredibly unlucky to not be looking at a promotion now.
Next year it’s very unlikely they’ll be 4 teams that all get above 85 points as this season. The teams coming down will be competitive but they don’t have the quality of players that Leicester came down with and there won’t be another Ipswich.
Summerville will definitely go, and probably Gnonto after he wanted to leave last year. Archie Gray might but then he looks a way off being ready to play midfield in the PL. We’d get good fees for all 3. Rutter I would be surprised if anyone paid what the club would want because as great as he can be, he’s still very raw. 6 goals is a pretty awful return.
I can’t see others leaving, maybe Meslier but he’s easily replaceable. We’ll have the bulk of a team that has just narrowly missed out, we’d need 4 or 5 signings. Rodon would be a very achievable deal, he’s got a year left on his contract, this is the most club football he’s played since going to Spurs, I think that’s an easy one to sort.
The loanees are an issue again, I’d think that a couple would want a permanent move now that would allow us to recoup some funds. Harrison surely will go permanently to a prem club, they won’t want to be going out on loan constantly. Maybe even one will return here and try rebuild their career, Kristensen wouldn’t be a shock as we have a gap at right back and he’s had an awful year at Roma.
Bielsa’s first season felt the same - we had to go up. We sold 2 of our best players and brought in some loanees and stormed the league
posted on 28/4/24
"I think if we stay down, we go up automatically next season. We’ve got 90 points - that would have taken us up in any other season, "
Just because we got 90 points doesn't mean we get 90 points next season.
Teams coming down will be better quality than us and then its us again 3 others plays a wildcard (like Ipswich were) instead of us against 2 others and a wildcard this season except we have a lesser teams because we'll have lost 2/3/4 players, really not seeing how people think we'll suddenly walk this league next season.
And all whilst trying to pay off 190m.
I think all loanees would like a permanent move, but the reason why we said we couldnt do it last season (we'd make a loss) are even starker now as these players have a year left of contract so are worth less and haven't done themselves any favours with their performances....we are going to struggle to get anything for any of them now and some of them we have let go already for effectively nothing - Koch.
I don't know how that plays out this summer, but it's huge liability for us if we go up and even more so if we don't.
posted on 28/4/24
Obviously it doesn’t guarantee 90 points but it tells us that over the season we have been a great team, even after effectively giving everyone else a month headstart. That’s not going to disappear over the summer.
Without the chaos of last August and Farke being able to have a proper preseason knowing who his team is going to be, will give us a better start to the season. We will lose a couple of players at least but the bulk of this team that has got 90 points will still be here.
We can’t say we’ll be a lesser team, we've not seen who replaces the ones who leave. All ifs and buts, none of us can say what state the team will be in, but I don’t see this nightmare scenario painted in this thread where all our good players leave and we don’t replace them.
posted on 28/4/24
Obviously it doesn’t guarantee 90 points but it tells us that over the season we have been a great team, even after effectively giving everyone else a month headstart. That’s not going to disappear over the summer.
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Look at what happened to Barnsley, 5th in 2021, relegated bottom next season. Huddersfield third in 2022, 18th the next season. Look at us winning title in 92, couldn't win a game away from home the next season.
Just cos we had a good season this year absolutely no guarantee of anything next year especially when most of our good players will be sold if we dont go up.
Only ray of hope I see is that our transfer business in terms of inbound players was better than it has been in recent years, but then we went and did absolutely nothing in January which might well have cost us chance of promotion.
posted on 28/4/24
...bulk of the players thst have scored goals this season?
posted on 28/4/24
Look at what happened to Barnsley, 5th in 2021, relegated bottom next season. Huddersfield third in 2022, 18th the next season. Look at us winning title in 92, couldn't win a game away from home the next season.
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All those teams mention overachieved. Do you think this Leeds team have over achieved being at the top this season? I don’t.
I only really expect Gnonto and Summerville to go this summer. I just cannot see a club paying the fee for Rutter given how raw he still is. James has been inconsistent in the PL. Gray will have interest but I think an extra year helps him. We obviously need to replace them but I’m hopeful we will, it’s not major surgery like last summer that’s needed
posted on 28/4/24
the fee for Rutter?
What fee?
We owe 190m, we're not really the ones being able to dictate fees here.
I agree and extra year will help Gray, do you think the club will think that though when they're offered 50mill?
posted on 29/4/24
comment by Batty (U4664)
posted 17 hours, 5 minutes ago
While we're at it, I also have Sling and Peacock subscriptions. Those two get me access to the Prem
and all the top euro leagues. FA Cup, Champions League, and other Euro cups. Oh, and South & North American Cups like CONCACAF, and Copa America.
European Championships. And obviously, the World Cup. Qualifiers and tournaments.
And the MLS - but that's sh 1 the.
Like I said, I spend too much money - and time
watching football. Beats doing drugs. Sorta.
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Ever thought of getting a dog, Batty? It might make you happier
posted on 29/4/24
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 8 hours, 13 minutes ago
Obviously it doesn’t guarantee 90 points but it tells us that over the season we have been a great team, even after effectively giving everyone else a month headstart. That’s not going to disappear over the summer.
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Look at what happened to Barnsley, 5th in 2021, relegated bottom next season. Huddersfield third in 2022, 18th the next season. Look at us winning title in 92, couldn't win a game away from home the next season.
Just cos we had a good season this year absolutely no guarantee of anything next year especially when most of our good players will be sold if we dont go up.
Only ray of hope I see is that our transfer business in terms of inbound players was better than it has been in recent years, but then we went and did absolutely nothing in January which might well have cost us chance of promotion.
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I agree with you about our improvement in the transfer market but I was gutted in January when we didn't get Carvalho because we couldn't guarantee him first team football.
But didn't the 49'ers buy the club at a cut-price rate precisely because of the difficulties with debt and loan players? Shouldn't the funds be in place to clear our debts from next season? I remember this issue being raised at the time of the takeover and being told that the 49'ers had made provision in the costs for a second season in the Championship if it was needed.
posted on 29/4/24
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 8 hours, 57 minutes ago
the fee for Rutter?
What fee?
We owe 190m, we're not really the ones being able to dictate fees here.
I agree and extra year will help Gray, do you think the club will think that though when they're offered 50mill?
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Come on it’s not a fire sale, of course Leeds can dictate a fee. I don’t see anyone paying what Rutter is worth yet, maybe wrong and someone will think they can iron out those bits of game.
An offer like that for Gray definitely but again I don’t see clubs offering that kind of money for him at current stage.
This £190 isn’t all due as one big payment one 1st August. It’s what is remaining in transfer fees over years, it’s obviously worrying long term but it’s not a case of Leeds need to sell all their players this summer to pay for that. From what I’ve read, about £80 million is due between June 2023 and June 2024, well we’ve already sold Sinisterra and Adams in that time so it’s not as bleak as you’re making out. Plus as comment above, 49ers may be planning to cover the cash flow costs, it’s not all player sales.
Summerville, Gnonto, Harrison and maybe one other - that raises a good chunk of money.
posted on 29/4/24
Not sure the teams coming down have a better squad than us currently. Sheffield Utd are awful.
posted on 29/4/24
comment by Batty (U4664)
posted 20 hours, 36 minutes ago
If we don't go up:
Rodon & Anthony return to parent clubs. Will Roberts
return to Burnley if they get relegated? Probably.
I can see Rutter & Meslier moving to French clubs
for collectively 20 mill maybe 25 mill.
Summerville to the Prem for anywhere between
20 - 40 mill. Gnonto to a Euro side 15 - 20 maybe.
Firpo will go back to Spain. Might get 5 mill for him.
A lot of chatter around Gray. He'll be sold.
Could see 20 - 25 mill for him.
Cooper & Shacks will move on.
What will the club do about Prioe? He doesn't fit
Farke's system. No way we get back what we paid.
Probably 10 - 12 for him after this season.
Can't see Byram staying. Good player but made of glass.
Be shocked if Cresswell & Joffy don't press for moves
after being messed about by Farke all season.
Perkins and Gyabi? I'd keep Gyabi.
Positive: we have Bamford 2 more seasons.
Leaves a handful of Farke's core group to build around.
And then there's the 190 mill and loanee headaches.
Fun summer.
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Daftest comment ive read in a while. So you'd sell the entire squad even though we had finished third 🤣
posted on 29/4/24
comment by Outwood White (U9610)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Batty (U4664)
posted 20 hours, 36 minutes ago
If we don't go up:
Rodon & Anthony return to parent clubs. Will Roberts
return to Burnley if they get relegated? Probably.
I can see Rutter & Meslier moving to French clubs
for collectively 20 mill maybe 25 mill.
Summerville to the Prem for anywhere between
20 - 40 mill. Gnonto to a Euro side 15 - 20 maybe.
Firpo will go back to Spain. Might get 5 mill for him.
A lot of chatter around Gray. He'll be sold.
Could see 20 - 25 mill for him.
Cooper & Shacks will move on.
What will the club do about Prioe? He doesn't fit
Farke's system. No way we get back what we paid.
Probably 10 - 12 for him after this season.
Can't see Byram staying. Good player but made of glass.
Be shocked if Cresswell & Joffy don't press for moves
after being messed about by Farke all season.
Perkins and Gyabi? I'd keep Gyabi.
Positive: we have Bamford 2 more seasons.
Leaves a handful of Farke's core group to build around.
And then there's the 190 mill and loanee headaches.
Fun summer.
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Daftest comment ive read in a while. So you'd sell the entire squad even though we had finished third 🤣
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Think you are missing the point, this is the reality in which we are likely to find ourselves.
I don't agree with Batty's assessment it's far too negative. I don't think he wants a clear out though given how we have capitulated recently changes would really benefit us.
posted on 29/4/24
comment by Best fans - Leeds Carajo (U2196)
posted 2 hours ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 8 hours, 57 minutes ago
the fee for Rutter?
What fee?
We owe 190m, we're not really the ones being able to dictate fees here.
I agree and extra year will help Gray, do you think the club will think that though when they're offered 50mill?
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Come on it’s not a fire sale, of course Leeds can dictate a fee. I don’t see anyone paying what Rutter is worth yet, maybe wrong and someone will think they can iron out those bits of game.
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Out of interest, if we had to sell, what is Rutter worth? We clearly paid way over market value for him and the £35.5m is said to have been quite a monkey on his back, how much is he worth now?
posted on 29/4/24
comment by Dennis - Always Leeds - Always Loyal. (U23086)
posted 1 hour, 50 minutes ago
comment by Outwood White (U9610)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Batty (U4664)
posted 20 hours, 36 minutes ago
If we don't go up:
Rodon & Anthony return to parent clubs. Will Roberts
return to Burnley if they get relegated? Probably.
I can see Rutter & Meslier moving to French clubs
for collectively 20 mill maybe 25 mill.
Summerville to the Prem for anywhere between
20 - 40 mill. Gnonto to a Euro side 15 - 20 maybe.
Firpo will go back to Spain. Might get 5 mill for him.
A lot of chatter around Gray. He'll be sold.
Could see 20 - 25 mill for him.
Cooper & Shacks will move on.
What will the club do about Prioe? He doesn't fit
Farke's system. No way we get back what we paid.
Probably 10 - 12 for him after this season.
Can't see Byram staying. Good player but made of glass.
Be shocked if Cresswell & Joffy don't press for moves
after being messed about by Farke all season.
Perkins and Gyabi? I'd keep Gyabi.
Positive: we have Bamford 2 more seasons.
Leaves a handful of Farke's core group to build around.
And then there's the 190 mill and loanee headaches.
Fun summer.
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Daftest comment ive read in a while. So you'd sell the entire squad even though we had finished third 🤣
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Think you are missing the point, this is the reality in which we are likely to find ourselves.
I don't agree with Batty's assessment it's far too negative. I don't think he wants a clear out though given how we have capitulated recently changes would really benefit us.
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A few changes - no a drastic rebuild. We will probably lose Gnonto and Summerville. Think we will keep the rest. So Rutter is now a bad player yet he was in the EFL team of the season?!
posted on 29/4/24
The fringe players are an issue.
Shackleton, Anthony, Cresswell, Gelhardt, Cooper, Ayling
Barely seen any of these players so wouldnt be a big loss if we lose any of them.
posted on 29/4/24
comment by Outwood White (U9610)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Dennis - Always Leeds - Always Loyal. (U23086)
posted 1 hour, 50 minutes ago
comment by Outwood White (U9610)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Batty (U4664)
posted 20 hours, 36 minutes ago
If we don't go up:
Rodon & Anthony return to parent clubs. Will Roberts
return to Burnley if they get relegated? Probably.
I can see Rutter & Meslier moving to French clubs
for collectively 20 mill maybe 25 mill.
Summerville to the Prem for anywhere between
20 - 40 mill. Gnonto to a Euro side 15 - 20 maybe.
Firpo will go back to Spain. Might get 5 mill for him.
A lot of chatter around Gray. He'll be sold.
Could see 20 - 25 mill for him.
Cooper & Shacks will move on.
What will the club do about Prioe? He doesn't fit
Farke's system. No way we get back what we paid.
Probably 10 - 12 for him after this season.
Can't see Byram staying. Good player but made of glass.
Be shocked if Cresswell & Joffy don't press for moves
after being messed about by Farke all season.
Perkins and Gyabi? I'd keep Gyabi.
Positive: we have Bamford 2 more seasons.
Leaves a handful of Farke's core group to build around.
And then there's the 190 mill and loanee headaches.
Fun summer.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Daftest comment ive read in a while. So you'd sell the entire squad even though we had finished third 🤣
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Think you are missing the point, this is the reality in which we are likely to find ourselves.
I don't agree with Batty's assessment it's far too negative. I don't think he wants a clear out though given how we have capitulated recently changes would really benefit us.
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A few changes - no a drastic rebuild. We will probably lose Gnonto and Summerville. Think we will keep the rest. So Rutter is now a bad player yet he was in the EFL team of the season?!
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Who is saying Rutter is a bad player?
posted on 29/4/24
comment by Outwood White (U9610)
posted 14 minutes ago
The fringe players are an issue.
Shackleton, Anthony, Cresswell, Gelhardt, Cooper, Ayling
Barely seen any of these players so wouldnt be a big loss if we lose any of them.
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Anthony is a loan player, there is no requirement for us to buy him, he will not be part of the squad after May 31st, I suspect the same will be true of both Rodon and Roberts.
Ayling is tipped to sign for Sheffield Wednesday.
I am expecting that Shackleton will move on.
posted on 29/4/24
Expecting Joffy to press for a move as he's effectively been unused this season - 9 appearances (mostly sub?). He's better than that at this level, same for Cresswell who's proved he's good.
Rutter is still young and is definitely the most creative in the EFL on his day, problem is his goal scoring is poor for the position he plays , 6 ,and his decision making needs a lot of improvement.
We have 25 goals from James and Piroe alone, and 27 from Wilf and Cry. (Paddy has 8).
Not sure we need a clear out, but we do need to fix the Piroe conundrum.
Suspect Rodon may be gone as other teams have watched him being very good this season.
Anthony has been under used and he will be another who wants to avoid being mister 80 minutes every now and again. Ironically I don't think the Cherries need him going by latest results, but he will want away to first team footy.
posted on 29/4/24
Yes Anthony and Rodon are loanees but can't see them coming back.
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