Ruud as interim till the summer and then go for a bigger name probably makes more sense.
Not convinced on Potter, Marco Silva, Glasner, Southgate or McKenna personally. Tuchel apparently turned us down so I'm not sure that one is still a goer. Maybe be the wanted more power on signings.
What another fine mess we have got ourselves into, eh? This club finds the ocean floor and still manages to find new depths thereafter. It's quite honestly incredible.
Looking at the current odds. Gary Neville is 100-1 with one bookie.. don't dilly dally get on bally
I can see Ruud in an interim role without seriously being considered for the job full-time. Even if he has an Ole type effect first time round, I don't really see him as long-term manager and if I hope the board aren't sucked into some emotional decision if that does happen. I do thinking keeping Ruud on would be useful, but that would be up to any future manager of course.
Out of the names mentioned, only Tuchel and McKenna appeal. Tuchel has had success at the highest level, and hopefully he could give a good kick up the backsides to the squad and get them playing to their full potential.
Mckenna is of course unproven, but being fairly unknown in terms of his own potential, we just don't know how far he could go and he could have that 'X' factor. And hey, sometimes you need to take a risk.
There is no magic formula to what makes a great manager, but of the rest of the names, none are screaming out at me that I could be the one.
But just as there are only a handful of great players in every generation, the same applies to managers.
Think United should give everything and convince Klopp to take over.
Ratcliffe needs to show proper ambition and pull out all the stops for Alonso.
That would be a statement signing like no other.
comment by HenryKamp (U21315)
posted 7 minutes ago
Think United should give everything and convince Klopp to take over.
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Id take that
We need someone who is experienced managing in multiple leagues, not just some ex players because they scored some goals.
Let's get someone who has been there and done it across different leagues across the world, someone like Tuchel, Ancelotti, Conte, Rooney, Pochettino, Emery.
Typical United...New season and barely October and they want their latest manager OUT
I think it's pretty clear that ETH got a stay of execution only because it wasn't possible to appoint the right long-term successor in the summer. This was either because the new leadership team had only just got their feet under the desk and needed to do more work to sketch out a detailed footballing strategy, or they knew what they wanted but the best candidates weren't available. It's quite possible that progress has been made on the 'what do we want?' question, in which case ETH's position should be even more precarious. It's also very possible that the outstanding candidates are unavailable or unattainable right now. If that's the case, I guess we're in a situation of weighing up the pros and cons of an interim manager vs sticking with ETH. There are trade-offs to be had in that case (appointing an interim means committing to two sets of upheaval rather than one; and it's a decision to use a manager who we don't really believe has the qualities to lead the team). So that comes down to just how bad things have got with ETH. I guess if we're in freefall, then merely stabilising the dressing room is worth the downsides of the temporary manager.
As for names:
Ruud really didn't impress at PSV. There's nothing to suggest he has the tactical sophistication to find solutions to our flaws.
Southgate - he's a figurehead, not a tactician.
Tuchel - clever and I guess he has the presence to get his ideas across; as you said Robb, if he said no in the summer, will he say yes now?
Potter - really hard to know. Very impressive at Brighton; not the only coach to fail at a clown-car Chelsea; just not a very wide body of work to draw conclusions from.
McKenna - talented, but a similar lack of evidence.
Generally, anyone in a job where they are valued will see United as a big risk at the moment. It could be that the leadership team concludes they need to progress further with the backroom changes before they can attract the world-class coach they need. But maybe they do get forced to go for an interim one in the meantime.
Maybe Ole in for the rest of the season 😹
comment by it'sonlyagame - in Springfield they're eating the dogs (U6426)
posted 39 minutes ago
Ratcliffe needs to show proper ambition and pull out all the stops for Alonso.
That would be a statement signing like no other.
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Alonso opted in the summer to stay at Leverkusen despite interest from a number of elite clubs because he wanted to continue on the project, attempting to retain the Bundesliga and getting to lead his team into the CL. Why would he leave Leverkusen three months later, after a good start to the season, for a club that's trying to claw itself out of a decade of crisis?
You sound so old fashioned saying McKenna is the "Hipster's favourite"... He is the skibidty slay favourite, ffs.
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin (U2958)
posted 20 seconds ago
You sound so old fashioned saying McKenna is the "Hipster's favourite"... He is the skibidty slay favourite, ffs.
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Cope
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 8 minutes ago
Typical United...New season and barely October and they want their latest manager OUT
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Latest? He's been here two and bit years mate. He's had over 80 PL games.
😂
Diego Simeone for me.
Commands respect and it'll Pi** everyone else off
comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
comment by HenryKamp (U21315)
posted 7 minutes ago
Think United should give everything and convince Klopp to take over.
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Id take that
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Klopp wouldn’t though 👍
whatever happens the last thing United need is another interim manager for the rest of the season. A supply teacher policy will fall right into the hands of these baztard lazy players who dont care and wont work and give them an excuse to basically write off this season when its only a few games in. It's still salvagable, with a new and permanent, disciplinarian, manager. I dont believe that INEOS dont have a plan B up their sleeve. They knew that endosrsing TH was going to be a hell of a gamble (just because United beat a hungover City in the Cup final). However, the longer we allow TH to manage this club the deeper the problem will become. All this TH crap has to end now and a new start begin straight away. Hes clearly not the messiah from Ajax (he won stuff there you know) as many thought he might be. I believe in what INEOs are doing is the right way forward and the restructuring is just what we need. They have made one mistake in their plan and that is making TH the Coach. This is easily remedied within an organise structure such as INEOS are creating. Just facking do it.
Ruid wasnt brought in by the club. He was brought in at ETH's request.
If he gets sacked, Ruud goes as well. He's part of the failure.
We need to start acting like a big club.
This would never happen at Real, Barca, Juve etc
None of the ones mentioned.
Mind you it's bloody difficult.
Who is an elite manager who is available.
We want someone like Klopp who had had success elsewhere. But so did ETH.
Take a chance on McKenna, who would be my choice, but tell him there's hardly any money to spend unless he shows he's the man.
Who else? It's difficult in fact I don't know.
Look at Bayern's choice, Failing manager of Burnley.
It's anybody's guess.
Same old story.
We will change the manager, and they will be a lamb to the slaughter.
Poor squad, poor infrastructure above the manager in place for decades previous to now, and that hierarchy is just finding their feet.
New (minority) ownership also just finding their feet. Glazers still Amorite ownership and sucking the lifeblood out of the club in the back ground.
Poor signings and hundreds of millions lost based on manager preference rather than data, and following an actual statistical club based model.
What’s the definition of insanity again?
McKenna would get the nod from me, although see above.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 7 minutes ago
None of the ones mentioned.
Mind you it's bloody difficult.
Who is an elite manager who is available.
We want someone like Klopp who had had success elsewhere. But so did ETH.
Take a chance on McKenna, who would be my choice, but tell him there's hardly any money to spend unless he shows he's the man.
Who else? It's difficult in fact I don't know.
Look at Bayern's choice, Failing manager of Burnley.
It's anybody's guess.
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That's the thing for me, there is no template or mould as to who could be the next great manager - but it's more likely to be someone who is showing potential but not quite proven yet, as opposed to someone who has been managing for a good while and is doing well for a good while at a certain level of club.
But whoever is chosen, it's more likely to be someone who isn't as successful as we want, rather than turning out to be the right guy - there aren't many SAFs, Wengers, Mourinhos (at his peak), Peps, Klopps etc out there.
That's why I think Tuchel, who maybe could be, or McKenna, who is unknown, are the 2 to choose from. But it could be someone else that we haven't thought of..................
comment by (U14502)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
Diego Simeone for me.
Commands respect and it'll Pi** everyone else off
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I hate Simeone’s football (still), and he’s probably unobtainable; but he might be the best candidate for the job if we’re talking results in the short term and sorting out the squad in the medium term.
These players need disciplining very, very, very hard indeed.
Tuchel would be absolutely rinsed by this dressing room, as would Southgate and Potter, IMO.
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
Tuchel would be absolutely rinsed by this dressing room, as would Southgate and Potter, IMO.
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Define dressing room though as loads of the old guard have been moved on. The vast majority of players in the squad now haven’t got that history of being troublemakers.
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by (U14502)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
Diego Simeone for me.
Commands respect and it'll Pi** everyone else off
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I hate Simeone’s football (still), and he’s probably unobtainable; but he might be the best candidate for the job if we’re talking results in the short term and sorting out the squad in the medium term.
These players need disciplining very, very, very hard indeed.
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I get the feeling a lot of their attitude comes from two things which need addressing.
1) Wages. There is no obvious wage structure or hierarchy at United. Players are paid some of the the highest average wages in the world, for average, and even below average output in return.
2) Performance. There needs to be more of a link between wages and performance at the club. This is so that poor performances are not tolerated ie. the player just picking up his astronomical weekly wage packet, with no retrospective action based on their performance or output a la Martial. Bonuses / incentives based on performance / minutes on the pitch need to be more heavily involved in contracts I would say.
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posted on 30/9/24
Ruud as interim till the summer and then go for a bigger name probably makes more sense.
Not convinced on Potter, Marco Silva, Glasner, Southgate or McKenna personally. Tuchel apparently turned us down so I'm not sure that one is still a goer. Maybe be the wanted more power on signings.
What another fine mess we have got ourselves into, eh? This club finds the ocean floor and still manages to find new depths thereafter. It's quite honestly incredible.
posted on 30/9/24
Looking at the current odds. Gary Neville is 100-1 with one bookie.. don't dilly dally get on bally
posted on 30/9/24
I can see Ruud in an interim role without seriously being considered for the job full-time. Even if he has an Ole type effect first time round, I don't really see him as long-term manager and if I hope the board aren't sucked into some emotional decision if that does happen. I do thinking keeping Ruud on would be useful, but that would be up to any future manager of course.
Out of the names mentioned, only Tuchel and McKenna appeal. Tuchel has had success at the highest level, and hopefully he could give a good kick up the backsides to the squad and get them playing to their full potential.
Mckenna is of course unproven, but being fairly unknown in terms of his own potential, we just don't know how far he could go and he could have that 'X' factor. And hey, sometimes you need to take a risk.
There is no magic formula to what makes a great manager, but of the rest of the names, none are screaming out at me that I could be the one.
But just as there are only a handful of great players in every generation, the same applies to managers.
posted on 30/9/24
Think United should give everything and convince Klopp to take over.
posted on 30/9/24
Ratcliffe needs to show proper ambition and pull out all the stops for Alonso.
That would be a statement signing like no other.
posted on 30/9/24
comment by HenryKamp (U21315)
posted 7 minutes ago
Think United should give everything and convince Klopp to take over.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Id take that
posted on 30/9/24
We need someone who is experienced managing in multiple leagues, not just some ex players because they scored some goals.
Let's get someone who has been there and done it across different leagues across the world, someone like Tuchel, Ancelotti, Conte, Rooney, Pochettino, Emery.
posted on 30/9/24
Typical United...New season and barely October and they want their latest manager OUT
posted on 30/9/24
I think it's pretty clear that ETH got a stay of execution only because it wasn't possible to appoint the right long-term successor in the summer. This was either because the new leadership team had only just got their feet under the desk and needed to do more work to sketch out a detailed footballing strategy, or they knew what they wanted but the best candidates weren't available. It's quite possible that progress has been made on the 'what do we want?' question, in which case ETH's position should be even more precarious. It's also very possible that the outstanding candidates are unavailable or unattainable right now. If that's the case, I guess we're in a situation of weighing up the pros and cons of an interim manager vs sticking with ETH. There are trade-offs to be had in that case (appointing an interim means committing to two sets of upheaval rather than one; and it's a decision to use a manager who we don't really believe has the qualities to lead the team). So that comes down to just how bad things have got with ETH. I guess if we're in freefall, then merely stabilising the dressing room is worth the downsides of the temporary manager.
As for names:
Ruud really didn't impress at PSV. There's nothing to suggest he has the tactical sophistication to find solutions to our flaws.
Southgate - he's a figurehead, not a tactician.
Tuchel - clever and I guess he has the presence to get his ideas across; as you said Robb, if he said no in the summer, will he say yes now?
Potter - really hard to know. Very impressive at Brighton; not the only coach to fail at a clown-car Chelsea; just not a very wide body of work to draw conclusions from.
McKenna - talented, but a similar lack of evidence.
Generally, anyone in a job where they are valued will see United as a big risk at the moment. It could be that the leadership team concludes they need to progress further with the backroom changes before they can attract the world-class coach they need. But maybe they do get forced to go for an interim one in the meantime.
posted on 30/9/24
Maybe Ole in for the rest of the season 😹
posted on 30/9/24
comment by it'sonlyagame - in Springfield they're eating the dogs (U6426)
posted 39 minutes ago
Ratcliffe needs to show proper ambition and pull out all the stops for Alonso.
That would be a statement signing like no other.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Alonso opted in the summer to stay at Leverkusen despite interest from a number of elite clubs because he wanted to continue on the project, attempting to retain the Bundesliga and getting to lead his team into the CL. Why would he leave Leverkusen three months later, after a good start to the season, for a club that's trying to claw itself out of a decade of crisis?
posted on 30/9/24
You sound so old fashioned saying McKenna is the "Hipster's favourite"... He is the skibidty slay favourite, ffs.
posted on 30/9/24
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin (U2958)
posted 20 seconds ago
You sound so old fashioned saying McKenna is the "Hipster's favourite"... He is the skibidty slay favourite, ffs.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Cope
posted on 30/9/24
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 8 minutes ago
Typical United...New season and barely October and they want their latest manager OUT
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Latest? He's been here two and bit years mate. He's had over 80 PL games.
😂
posted on 30/9/24
Diego Simeone for me.
Commands respect and it'll Pi** everyone else off
posted on 30/9/24
comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
comment by HenryKamp (U21315)
posted 7 minutes ago
Think United should give everything and convince Klopp to take over.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Id take that
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Klopp wouldn’t though 👍
posted on 30/9/24
whatever happens the last thing United need is another interim manager for the rest of the season. A supply teacher policy will fall right into the hands of these baztard lazy players who dont care and wont work and give them an excuse to basically write off this season when its only a few games in. It's still salvagable, with a new and permanent, disciplinarian, manager. I dont believe that INEOS dont have a plan B up their sleeve. They knew that endosrsing TH was going to be a hell of a gamble (just because United beat a hungover City in the Cup final). However, the longer we allow TH to manage this club the deeper the problem will become. All this TH crap has to end now and a new start begin straight away. Hes clearly not the messiah from Ajax (he won stuff there you know) as many thought he might be. I believe in what INEOs are doing is the right way forward and the restructuring is just what we need. They have made one mistake in their plan and that is making TH the Coach. This is easily remedied within an organise structure such as INEOS are creating. Just facking do it.
posted on 30/9/24
Ruid wasnt brought in by the club. He was brought in at ETH's request.
If he gets sacked, Ruud goes as well. He's part of the failure.
We need to start acting like a big club.
This would never happen at Real, Barca, Juve etc
posted on 30/9/24
None of the ones mentioned.
Mind you it's bloody difficult.
Who is an elite manager who is available.
We want someone like Klopp who had had success elsewhere. But so did ETH.
Take a chance on McKenna, who would be my choice, but tell him there's hardly any money to spend unless he shows he's the man.
Who else? It's difficult in fact I don't know.
Look at Bayern's choice, Failing manager of Burnley.
It's anybody's guess.
posted on 30/9/24
Same old story.
We will change the manager, and they will be a lamb to the slaughter.
Poor squad, poor infrastructure above the manager in place for decades previous to now, and that hierarchy is just finding their feet.
New (minority) ownership also just finding their feet. Glazers still Amorite ownership and sucking the lifeblood out of the club in the back ground.
Poor signings and hundreds of millions lost based on manager preference rather than data, and following an actual statistical club based model.
What’s the definition of insanity again?
McKenna would get the nod from me, although see above.
posted on 30/9/24
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 7 minutes ago
None of the ones mentioned.
Mind you it's bloody difficult.
Who is an elite manager who is available.
We want someone like Klopp who had had success elsewhere. But so did ETH.
Take a chance on McKenna, who would be my choice, but tell him there's hardly any money to spend unless he shows he's the man.
Who else? It's difficult in fact I don't know.
Look at Bayern's choice, Failing manager of Burnley.
It's anybody's guess.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's the thing for me, there is no template or mould as to who could be the next great manager - but it's more likely to be someone who is showing potential but not quite proven yet, as opposed to someone who has been managing for a good while and is doing well for a good while at a certain level of club.
But whoever is chosen, it's more likely to be someone who isn't as successful as we want, rather than turning out to be the right guy - there aren't many SAFs, Wengers, Mourinhos (at his peak), Peps, Klopps etc out there.
That's why I think Tuchel, who maybe could be, or McKenna, who is unknown, are the 2 to choose from. But it could be someone else that we haven't thought of..................
posted on 30/9/24
comment by (U14502)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
Diego Simeone for me.
Commands respect and it'll Pi** everyone else off
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I hate Simeone’s football (still), and he’s probably unobtainable; but he might be the best candidate for the job if we’re talking results in the short term and sorting out the squad in the medium term.
These players need disciplining very, very, very hard indeed.
posted on 30/9/24
Tuchel would be absolutely rinsed by this dressing room, as would Southgate and Potter, IMO.
posted on 30/9/24
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
Tuchel would be absolutely rinsed by this dressing room, as would Southgate and Potter, IMO.
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Define dressing room though as loads of the old guard have been moved on. The vast majority of players in the squad now haven’t got that history of being troublemakers.
posted on 30/9/24
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by (U14502)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
Diego Simeone for me.
Commands respect and it'll Pi** everyone else off
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I hate Simeone’s football (still), and he’s probably unobtainable; but he might be the best candidate for the job if we’re talking results in the short term and sorting out the squad in the medium term.
These players need disciplining very, very, very hard indeed.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I get the feeling a lot of their attitude comes from two things which need addressing.
1) Wages. There is no obvious wage structure or hierarchy at United. Players are paid some of the the highest average wages in the world, for average, and even below average output in return.
2) Performance. There needs to be more of a link between wages and performance at the club. This is so that poor performances are not tolerated ie. the player just picking up his astronomical weekly wage packet, with no retrospective action based on their performance or output a la Martial. Bonuses / incentives based on performance / minutes on the pitch need to be more heavily involved in contracts I would say.
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