FatJan
All of that is irrelevant, as it will not go through.
are you going to stop supporting Liverpool, as they have shown themselves to be greedy bar sterds and immoral.
FatJan
All of that is irrelevant, as it will not go through.
are you going to stop supporting Liverpool, as they have shown themselves to be greedy bar sterds and immoral.
--------------
No because I'm not completely against the idea of it. I'm open to the idea providing of it not blindly saying no. I'm just asking the question that if you are passionately against tthe idea, will that mean you'll stop watching football. The answer from everyone will be no. They'll carry on watching it, just like after people made noises about Sky ruining football, or that the money from the Champions League ruined football.
^^I'm open to the idea of it not blindly saying no even.
Ok but if somehow this did go through, would Chelsea take the moral high ground
======================
What in your opinion would constitute moral high ground?
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 hour, 29 minutes ago
Considering the fact that Valencia are in financial difficulties they couldn't attract flies atm never mind good players.
Nonsense, yet again
..........................
Do you want me to name the rest of the teams in La Liga then?
Really, you are much better than this.
And you sort of prove the point everyone is making to you.
If Barca and Real were not getting most of the TV money, maybe Valencia would not be in financial difficulties.
Mind you there is a common denominator in Liverpool's and Valencia's lack of readies.
___________________________________________
Valencia is a very bad example to use to make your point. The fact that Barca received more revenue from TV deals has no bearing whatsoever on Valencia's current financial plight. That's purely down to in fighting, bad financial management and a 'creative' bookkeeper. If the club had been run correctly it could have capitalised on it's relative success in the mis 2000's. There would have been no need to sell star players to try and balance the books and players and staff's salaries would have been paid on time. Even if they felt the need to sell the likes of Villa and Silva then with the right team behind the screens there would have been ample profit to reinvest towards strengthening the team and keep them very competitive.
A lot of Barca's revenue generation is being totally overlooked in this thread. Their name alone is a world brand that generates interest and money in the same way as Man Utd do with sponsorship deals (not TV) and merchandise sales.
The fact that at every home match they get maybe 50,000 more fans in their stadium than other clubs goes a long way to helping their income.
In the transfer market they are also handy. They can bring in both Fabregas and Sanchez and let a few players go and have a net spend the same size as we paid for Jordan Henderson - not many teams can do that. Their academy also generates a bit of income - €21million in the last couple of seasons alone on sales of players not deemed 'good enough.'
All in all there are reasons galore as to why Barca have their success and generate income on a scale that is hard for other Spanish clubs tom comprehend. It is however, foolish to suggest that TV rights and revenue is the reason that Barca normally finish La Liga season 20 ood points above the majority of the other teams
Ok but if somehow this did go through, would Chelsea take the moral high ground
======================
What in your opinion would constitute moral high ground?
---------------------
Well you exact words were -
"If you want to go it alone I think I can speak for the vast majority and say Bye,go play in the Championship if you don't like it."
So if Chelsea were to entertain the idea would you want them to go play in the Championship. Or would you rather Chelsea were totally against the idea even if it meant that Roman would make more money.
A lot of Barca's revenue generation is being totally overlooked in this thread.
..........................
It is irrelevant, that is why.
The thread is about creating a wider gap, on top of the rest of your revenue due to having your own TV rights.
Real Madrid and Barcelona were already financial power houses in La Liga before they negotiated their own TV rights.
The gap between them and the rest has widned, both financially and by points in the table, since then.
You and Hoody must be the only two people on earth who can not grasp this.
Trying to get this very easy point across to you reminds me of Blackadder trying to teach Baldrick how to count.
LCFHB
This is a good read, and will help you understand it a bit more.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8545202.stm
@Vidicschin (U3584) -
You are banging on about Barca's TV deal being the key factor in them widening the gap between them and other teams in the table in recent tiimes. Of course they have received more money than the other teams. You have said yourself that they were already a financial powerhouse before the TV deal was signed. This is my point exactly. The fact that they have been so financially sound even before the TV deal has allowed them to move on in leaps and bounds compared to other teams.
My point that I mentioned earlier is if for example a team such as Valencia had beeen successfully ran by it's directors there is no reason as to why they wouldn't have had the financial muscle to compete with teams such as Barca in the transfer market
You are banging on about Barca's TV deal being the key factor in them widening the gap between them and other teams in the table in recent tiimes.
.................
It is. Same with Madrid.
Look at the league tables from the years before they had the new TV deals. The points gap was nowhere near what it is now.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 15 minutes ago
You are banging on about Barca's TV deal being the key factor in them widening the gap between them and other teams in the table in recent tiimes.
.................
It is. Same with Madrid.
Look at the league tables from the years before they had the new TV deals. The points gap was nowhere near what it is now.
___________________________________________
Barcelona signed a TV deal in 2008 worth £81.4m per year.
In the 2004-5 season they finished 1st, 19 points above 3rd placed Villarreal.
19 points is quite a margin in my book and this was without their mega TV deal
LCHB
Difference between top two (Barca and Real except for 07/08 when Barca were third)
04/05 14 pts
05/06 1 pt
06/07 5 pts
07/08 10 pts
08/09 8 pts
Barca and Real own TV rights come into effect
09/10 25 pts
10/11 21 pts
Can you see how the gap widned now, please, before one of us dies.
Vidicschin (U3584) -
Yes I see where you're coming from. I have all along. I still feel though that if teams such as Valencia had been ran correctly then they should have had much more say in La Liga in recent years.
One thing we haven't really touched on is their scouting and youth set-up. Players like Messi have contributed greatly to Barca's dominance along with several academy graduates.
This has no relation to a TV deal
comment by LastChanceForHangingBaskets (U1826)
posted 3 minutes ago
Vidicschin (U3584) -
Yes I see where you're coming from. I have all along.
.......................
Jesus wept, That's three hours I am not going to get back.
Yes there are going to be other factors, but they are minor compared to the amount of extra revenue those two teams receive, over the lesser clubs.
And we all know one of the culprits of Valencias financial decline.
But thats another issue.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by LastChanceForHangingBaskets (U1826)
posted 3 minutes ago
Vidicschin (U3584) -
Yes I see where you're coming from. I have all along.
.......................
Jesus wept, That's three hours I am not going to get back.
Yes there are going to be other factors, but they are minor compared to the amount of extra revenue those two teams receive, over the lesser clubs.
And we all know one of the culprits of Valencias financial decline.
But thats another issue.
___________________________________________
All you needed to do was mention this in the first place. One sensible post with no mention of TV revenue
PS - you should really talk to someone about your "issues"
Ok but if somehow this did go through, would Chelsea take the moral high ground
======================
What in your opinion would constitute moral high ground?
---------------------
Well you exact words were -
"If you want to go it alone I think I can speak for the vast majority and say Bye,go play in the Championship if you don't like it."
======================================
Sorry,what does my comment have to do with 'moral high ground'?
You're the club that wants to go it alone.Chelsea want to stand with the rest of the Prem.
Until you explain YOUR meaning of 'moral high ground' I can not answer your question.Certainly my suggesting you disappear down to the Championship is not referencing moral high ground towards your club
I still feel though that if teams such as Valencia had been ran correctly
-----------------------------------
Barcelona have massive debts. Take away the money they earn from TV rights - or rather put the money they do receive in line with other clubs in la Liga - and their debts would be even bigger.
If Liverpool were run correctly (especially during the H&G era), then a strong argument can be made that they would have remained a Champions League club. Liverpool have fallen away where it really matters - on the pitch - and they are now wanting to fall back upon their (undoubted) popularity world-wide in order to try and bridge the gap.
So now Liverpool, via Ayre, are proposing a TV rights deal that is, to all intents and purposes, similar to the way it operates in Spain. The irony being that Valencia would most probably want a domestic rights deal that is similar to the International rights deal for PL clubs.
Ripley
You are so wrong mate.There is not a doubt in my mind Ayre and the owners are lining this up as an excuse for no new stadium.
This would never get passed and he is fully aware of that.Hell,he must have sounded teams out before making such a rash statement and even ManU and Chelsea have already said NO.
It's a con,don't for one second believe this is actually about tv rights because it isn't.
@RipleysCat (U1862) -
Yes that's all fine and well. I am not at all in favour of Ayre's suggestions.
What a lot of people need to realise is that for clubs to compete then they may believe they have to look after their own needs first. It's a business and that's how it is these days whether we like it one bit or not.
You talk about irony in your post. What's ironic is that the actions from clubs like Man City will gradually make more and more clubs think of these sort of ideas in order to keep up with the clubs with 'bottomless pits' as owners
There used to be a club in the league that for years and years was funded by a family of immense wealth made through the Football Pools.This club was able to go out and poach the best players year after year and pay the best wages year after year.This brought them great success,only recently surpassed.
It's funny but that clubs fans are now moaning when other teams do what they did for decades
You could well be right in regards to your point about City (and the reaction from other clubs in respect to City). That isn't an example of irony however.
CPofL. #FreeRA (U9740) -
You don't know a lot about football do you. I guessyou jumped on the bandwagon when Roman rolled into town
How did you find a space. That bandwagon was very full as I remember it
You don't know a lot about football do you.
================================
Coming from you that is a compliment.
Decades you were a rich mans toy,nothing more.
You only exist because Everton wouldn't pay more rent.
comment by CPofL. #FreeRA (U9740)
posted 8 minutes ago
You don't know a lot about football do you.
================================
Coming from you that is a compliment.
Decades you were a rich mans toy,nothing more.
___________________________________________
You should check some other clubs transfer activity in the time you are referring to
If that was the case at least our rich man achieved sustained success at the highest level
Your rich man will be throwing his toys away when he realises they are not going to bring him what he wants
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posted on 12/10/11
FatJan
All of that is irrelevant, as it will not go through.
are you going to stop supporting Liverpool, as they have shown themselves to be greedy bar sterds and immoral.
posted on 12/10/11
FatJan
All of that is irrelevant, as it will not go through.
are you going to stop supporting Liverpool, as they have shown themselves to be greedy bar sterds and immoral.
--------------
No because I'm not completely against the idea of it. I'm open to the idea providing of it not blindly saying no. I'm just asking the question that if you are passionately against tthe idea, will that mean you'll stop watching football. The answer from everyone will be no. They'll carry on watching it, just like after people made noises about Sky ruining football, or that the money from the Champions League ruined football.
posted on 12/10/11
^^I'm open to the idea of it not blindly saying no even.
posted on 12/10/11
Ok but if somehow this did go through, would Chelsea take the moral high ground
======================
What in your opinion would constitute moral high ground?
posted on 12/10/11
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 hour, 29 minutes ago
Considering the fact that Valencia are in financial difficulties they couldn't attract flies atm never mind good players.
Nonsense, yet again
..........................
Do you want me to name the rest of the teams in La Liga then?
Really, you are much better than this.
And you sort of prove the point everyone is making to you.
If Barca and Real were not getting most of the TV money, maybe Valencia would not be in financial difficulties.
Mind you there is a common denominator in Liverpool's and Valencia's lack of readies.
___________________________________________
Valencia is a very bad example to use to make your point. The fact that Barca received more revenue from TV deals has no bearing whatsoever on Valencia's current financial plight. That's purely down to in fighting, bad financial management and a 'creative' bookkeeper. If the club had been run correctly it could have capitalised on it's relative success in the mis 2000's. There would have been no need to sell star players to try and balance the books and players and staff's salaries would have been paid on time. Even if they felt the need to sell the likes of Villa and Silva then with the right team behind the screens there would have been ample profit to reinvest towards strengthening the team and keep them very competitive.
A lot of Barca's revenue generation is being totally overlooked in this thread. Their name alone is a world brand that generates interest and money in the same way as Man Utd do with sponsorship deals (not TV) and merchandise sales.
The fact that at every home match they get maybe 50,000 more fans in their stadium than other clubs goes a long way to helping their income.
In the transfer market they are also handy. They can bring in both Fabregas and Sanchez and let a few players go and have a net spend the same size as we paid for Jordan Henderson - not many teams can do that. Their academy also generates a bit of income - €21million in the last couple of seasons alone on sales of players not deemed 'good enough.'
All in all there are reasons galore as to why Barca have their success and generate income on a scale that is hard for other Spanish clubs tom comprehend. It is however, foolish to suggest that TV rights and revenue is the reason that Barca normally finish La Liga season 20 ood points above the majority of the other teams
posted on 12/10/11
Ok but if somehow this did go through, would Chelsea take the moral high ground
======================
What in your opinion would constitute moral high ground?
---------------------
Well you exact words were -
"If you want to go it alone I think I can speak for the vast majority and say Bye,go play in the Championship if you don't like it."
So if Chelsea were to entertain the idea would you want them to go play in the Championship. Or would you rather Chelsea were totally against the idea even if it meant that Roman would make more money.
posted on 12/10/11
A lot of Barca's revenue generation is being totally overlooked in this thread.
..........................
It is irrelevant, that is why.
The thread is about creating a wider gap, on top of the rest of your revenue due to having your own TV rights.
Real Madrid and Barcelona were already financial power houses in La Liga before they negotiated their own TV rights.
The gap between them and the rest has widned, both financially and by points in the table, since then.
You and Hoody must be the only two people on earth who can not grasp this.
Trying to get this very easy point across to you reminds me of Blackadder trying to teach Baldrick how to count.
posted on 12/10/11
LCFHB
This is a good read, and will help you understand it a bit more.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8545202.stm
posted on 12/10/11
@Vidicschin (U3584) -
You are banging on about Barca's TV deal being the key factor in them widening the gap between them and other teams in the table in recent tiimes. Of course they have received more money than the other teams. You have said yourself that they were already a financial powerhouse before the TV deal was signed. This is my point exactly. The fact that they have been so financially sound even before the TV deal has allowed them to move on in leaps and bounds compared to other teams.
My point that I mentioned earlier is if for example a team such as Valencia had beeen successfully ran by it's directors there is no reason as to why they wouldn't have had the financial muscle to compete with teams such as Barca in the transfer market
posted on 12/10/11
You are banging on about Barca's TV deal being the key factor in them widening the gap between them and other teams in the table in recent tiimes.
.................
It is. Same with Madrid.
Look at the league tables from the years before they had the new TV deals. The points gap was nowhere near what it is now.
posted on 12/10/11
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 15 minutes ago
You are banging on about Barca's TV deal being the key factor in them widening the gap between them and other teams in the table in recent tiimes.
.................
It is. Same with Madrid.
Look at the league tables from the years before they had the new TV deals. The points gap was nowhere near what it is now.
___________________________________________
Barcelona signed a TV deal in 2008 worth £81.4m per year.
In the 2004-5 season they finished 1st, 19 points above 3rd placed Villarreal.
19 points is quite a margin in my book and this was without their mega TV deal
posted on 12/10/11
LCHB
Difference between top two (Barca and Real except for 07/08 when Barca were third)
04/05 14 pts
05/06 1 pt
06/07 5 pts
07/08 10 pts
08/09 8 pts
Barca and Real own TV rights come into effect
09/10 25 pts
10/11 21 pts
Can you see how the gap widned now, please, before one of us dies.
posted on 12/10/11
Vidicschin (U3584) -
Yes I see where you're coming from. I have all along. I still feel though that if teams such as Valencia had been ran correctly then they should have had much more say in La Liga in recent years.
One thing we haven't really touched on is their scouting and youth set-up. Players like Messi have contributed greatly to Barca's dominance along with several academy graduates.
This has no relation to a TV deal
posted on 12/10/11
comment by LastChanceForHangingBaskets (U1826)
posted 3 minutes ago
Vidicschin (U3584) -
Yes I see where you're coming from. I have all along.
.......................
Jesus wept, That's three hours I am not going to get back.
Yes there are going to be other factors, but they are minor compared to the amount of extra revenue those two teams receive, over the lesser clubs.
And we all know one of the culprits of Valencias financial decline.
But thats another issue.
posted on 12/10/11
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by LastChanceForHangingBaskets (U1826)
posted 3 minutes ago
Vidicschin (U3584) -
Yes I see where you're coming from. I have all along.
.......................
Jesus wept, That's three hours I am not going to get back.
Yes there are going to be other factors, but they are minor compared to the amount of extra revenue those two teams receive, over the lesser clubs.
And we all know one of the culprits of Valencias financial decline.
But thats another issue.
___________________________________________
All you needed to do was mention this in the first place. One sensible post with no mention of TV revenue
PS - you should really talk to someone about your "issues"
posted on 12/10/11
Ok but if somehow this did go through, would Chelsea take the moral high ground
======================
What in your opinion would constitute moral high ground?
---------------------
Well you exact words were -
"If you want to go it alone I think I can speak for the vast majority and say Bye,go play in the Championship if you don't like it."
======================================
Sorry,what does my comment have to do with 'moral high ground'?
You're the club that wants to go it alone.Chelsea want to stand with the rest of the Prem.
Until you explain YOUR meaning of 'moral high ground' I can not answer your question.Certainly my suggesting you disappear down to the Championship is not referencing moral high ground towards your club
posted on 12/10/11
I still feel though that if teams such as Valencia had been ran correctly
-----------------------------------
Barcelona have massive debts. Take away the money they earn from TV rights - or rather put the money they do receive in line with other clubs in la Liga - and their debts would be even bigger.
If Liverpool were run correctly (especially during the H&G era), then a strong argument can be made that they would have remained a Champions League club. Liverpool have fallen away where it really matters - on the pitch - and they are now wanting to fall back upon their (undoubted) popularity world-wide in order to try and bridge the gap.
So now Liverpool, via Ayre, are proposing a TV rights deal that is, to all intents and purposes, similar to the way it operates in Spain. The irony being that Valencia would most probably want a domestic rights deal that is similar to the International rights deal for PL clubs.
posted on 12/10/11
Ripley
You are so wrong mate.There is not a doubt in my mind Ayre and the owners are lining this up as an excuse for no new stadium.
This would never get passed and he is fully aware of that.Hell,he must have sounded teams out before making such a rash statement and even ManU and Chelsea have already said NO.
It's a con,don't for one second believe this is actually about tv rights because it isn't.
posted on 12/10/11
@RipleysCat (U1862) -
Yes that's all fine and well. I am not at all in favour of Ayre's suggestions.
What a lot of people need to realise is that for clubs to compete then they may believe they have to look after their own needs first. It's a business and that's how it is these days whether we like it one bit or not.
You talk about irony in your post. What's ironic is that the actions from clubs like Man City will gradually make more and more clubs think of these sort of ideas in order to keep up with the clubs with 'bottomless pits' as owners
posted on 12/10/11
There used to be a club in the league that for years and years was funded by a family of immense wealth made through the Football Pools.This club was able to go out and poach the best players year after year and pay the best wages year after year.This brought them great success,only recently surpassed.
It's funny but that clubs fans are now moaning when other teams do what they did for decades
posted on 12/10/11
You could well be right in regards to your point about City (and the reaction from other clubs in respect to City). That isn't an example of irony however.
posted on 12/10/11
CPofL. #FreeRA (U9740) -
You don't know a lot about football do you. I guessyou jumped on the bandwagon when Roman rolled into town
How did you find a space. That bandwagon was very full as I remember it
posted on 12/10/11
You don't know a lot about football do you.
================================
Coming from you that is a compliment.
Decades you were a rich mans toy,nothing more.
posted on 12/10/11
You only exist because Everton wouldn't pay more rent.
posted on 12/10/11
comment by CPofL. #FreeRA (U9740)
posted 8 minutes ago
You don't know a lot about football do you.
================================
Coming from you that is a compliment.
Decades you were a rich mans toy,nothing more.
___________________________________________
You should check some other clubs transfer activity in the time you are referring to
If that was the case at least our rich man achieved sustained success at the highest level
Your rich man will be throwing his toys away when he realises they are not going to bring him what he wants
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