The police and their actions were awful in the aftermath

What annoys me though is the insistence from Liverpool supporters that is was everything and everyone else’s fault that this disaster happened without one single person actually saying that their own supporters were partly responsible…not wholly, but partly responsible for what took place that awful day

And I don’t care what any politician or judges say, those who were there know what really happened

comment by HEY, WE'RE BACK (U22866)
posted 6 seconds ago
The police and their actions were awful in the aftermath

What annoys me though is the insistence from Liverpool supporters that is was everything and everyone else’s fault that this disaster happened without one single person actually saying that their own supporters were partly responsible…not wholly, but partly responsible for what took place that awful day

And I don’t care what any politician or judges say, those who were there know what really happened
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I don't see how that is not a reasonable conclusion to the known facts. A leads to B, leads to C.

Ticketless supporters were there in there 1000’s - ask any Forest supporter who was there - you were stopped literally every 2 minutes being asked if you had any spare tickets - the night before the game is was even highlighted on TV News for those without tickets not to attend, because there had been groups organising themselves to go to Sheffield even though they didn’t have tickets - there was mass hysteria in the weeks leading up to game of Liverpool supporters insisting they wanted more tickets and that there will be hoards there without tickets

comment by Bored As Fudge Again (U21998)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by HEY, WE'RE BACK (U22866)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Bored As Fudge Again (U21998)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by HEY, WE'RE BACK (U22866)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by HEY, WE'RE BACK (U22866)
posted 1 minute ago
TBF - this Forum is governed by dictators - The Admins openly admit to this forum NOT being open to free speech

I’ve been banned from here previously for sharing my views on Hillsborough which TBH aren’t popular or accepted by the majority

But from someone who was actually there, I feel my opinion is just as valid as those who weren’t there and who tell me I’m working for saying what I say

The irony is, this forum is all about opinions and debating, but as I say, I’ve had my account banned for speaking out on a subject, which just made me walk away and not comm et on here for a couple of years

I’ve only come back on here in the past month, but expect to be kicked out again for saying what I’ve just said
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What you said has been refuted, debunked, apologised for been shown to be incorrect with evidence. You can say what you want, doesn't mean there aren't consequences for being a vindictive lying сunt. Free speech doesn't entitle you to protection from consequences of your speech. I don't think you know what free speech means.
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‘What you said has been refuted, debunked, apologised for been shown to be incorrect with evidence. ‘


By people who weren’t even there

I know what I saw and witnessed that day, and no amount of screaming, accusing, lying or cancelling will ever change my mind to the things I saw an witnessed

Trust that helps
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Not wanting to open a can of worms, but I am fascinated to know what your views are that are not popular.
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My views on Hillsborough are simple:


Having been there, I 100% believe that the innocent victims of Hillsborough were those who had been in the ground for a couple of hours - they were killed because of a crush when the gates were opened and the 1000’s of ticketless supporters that were undoubtedly there saw their opportunity of getting into the match on a freebie

Of course there were other factors involved, and I’m not saying that the Liverpool supporters intended for anything like what happened to happen

However, the whitewash over the years to say that the Liverpool supporters were totally blameless is totally incorrect - they contributed to causing that disaster - which should never have happened

But for them to continually scream victim and Justice without actually facing up to the part they played is utterly dishonest wrong

The poor innocents one were killed at the front ofnthe stadium partly by the hoards behind them, many without tickets

I’ll probably get banned for voicing these views, but TBH, I don’t greatly care, I’ve not been on here for the past 2 years anyway, so I’ll hardly miss it

I just find it a shame that the admins don’t allow ALL views to be shared and debated but rather ban someone who actually speaks the truth from his perspective
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Just out of interest how do you know many were without tickets just because you were there? This has been proven incorrect on multiple occasions.

Also how did Liverpool fans contribute to the deaths apart from unknowingly being directed into an already full area? This again has been proven multiple times or you being there you somehow so the fans entered differently from your seat?

You're a lying сunt and your lies has been proven incorrect by actual evidence and police admitting what actually happened as well as being told what to say and having their evidence changed by their bosses.

That's not free speech, that's being a сunt.
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Are you saying that there were not tickets supporters trying to gain access to the ground?
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No I'm saying it wasn't a contributing cause as per the actual evidence and findings. It was a normal amount for the times which was a small minority. This small minority did not contribute to crushing since they were such a small minority. What contributed and has actually been proven with evidence is police directed fans into already full areas and they had nowhere to go since there were still a stream of fans behind them trying to get in, not knowing about what was unfolding at the front.

comment by HEY, WE'RE BACK (U22866)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Bored As Fudge Again (U21998)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by HEY, WE'RE BACK (U22866)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by HEY, WE'RE BACK (U22866)
posted 1 minute ago
TBF - this Forum is governed by dictators - The Admins openly admit to this forum NOT being open to free speech

I’ve been banned from here previously for sharing my views on Hillsborough which TBH aren’t popular or accepted by the majority

But from someone who was actually there, I feel my opinion is just as valid as those who weren’t there and who tell me I’m working for saying what I say

The irony is, this forum is all about opinions and debating, but as I say, I’ve had my account banned for speaking out on a subject, which just made me walk away and not comm et on here for a couple of years

I’ve only come back on here in the past month, but expect to be kicked out again for saying what I’ve just said
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What you said has been refuted, debunked, apologised for been shown to be incorrect with evidence. You can say what you want, doesn't mean there aren't consequences for being a vindictive lying сunt. Free speech doesn't entitle you to protection from consequences of your speech. I don't think you know what free speech means.
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‘What you said has been refuted, debunked, apologised for been shown to be incorrect with evidence. ‘


By people who weren’t even there

I know what I saw and witnessed that day, and no amount of screaming, accusing, lying or cancelling will ever change my mind to the things I saw an witnessed

Trust that helps
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Not wanting to open a can of worms, but I am fascinated to know what your views are that are not popular.
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My views on Hillsborough are simple:


Having been there, I 100% believe that the innocent victims of Hillsborough were those who had been in the ground for a couple of hours - they were killed because of a crush when the gates were opened and the 1000’s of ticketless supporters that were undoubtedly there saw their opportunity of getting into the match on a freebie

Of course there were other factors involved, and I’m not saying that the Liverpool supporters intended for anything like what happened to happen

However, the whitewash over the years to say that the Liverpool supporters were totally blameless is totally incorrect - they contributed to causing that disaster - which should never have happened

But for them to continually scream victim and Justice without actually facing up to the part they played is utterly dishonest wrong

The poor innocents one were killed at the front ofnthe stadium partly by the hoards behind them, many without tickets

I’ll probably get banned for voicing these views, but TBH, I don’t greatly care, I’ve not been on here for the past 2 years anyway, so I’ll hardly miss it

I just find it a shame that the admins don’t allow ALL views to be shared and debated but rather ban someone who actually speaks the truth from his perspective
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Amazing story. Shame your version is purely fiction and the facts presented through years of inquiries show that Liverpool supporters were NOT the cause of the Hillsborough disaster.

You should be a hollywood writer. 🙄

comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by HEY, WE'RE BACK (U22866)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Bored As Fudge Again (U21998)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by HEY, WE'RE BACK (U22866)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by HEY, WE'RE BACK (U22866)
posted 1 minute ago
TBF - this Forum is governed by dictators - The Admins openly admit to this forum NOT being open to free speech

I’ve been banned from here previously for sharing my views on Hillsborough which TBH aren’t popular or accepted by the majority

But from someone who was actually there, I feel my opinion is just as valid as those who weren’t there and who tell me I’m working for saying what I say

The irony is, this forum is all about opinions and debating, but as I say, I’ve had my account banned for speaking out on a subject, which just made me walk away and not comm et on here for a couple of years

I’ve only come back on here in the past month, but expect to be kicked out again for saying what I’ve just said
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What you said has been refuted, debunked, apologised for been shown to be incorrect with evidence. You can say what you want, doesn't mean there aren't consequences for being a vindictive lying сunt. Free speech doesn't entitle you to protection from consequences of your speech. I don't think you know what free speech means.
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‘What you said has been refuted, debunked, apologised for been shown to be incorrect with evidence. ‘


By people who weren’t even there

I know what I saw and witnessed that day, and no amount of screaming, accusing, lying or cancelling will ever change my mind to the things I saw an witnessed

Trust that helps
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Not wanting to open a can of worms, but I am fascinated to know what your views are that are not popular.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
My views on Hillsborough are simple:


Having been there, I 100% believe that the innocent victims of Hillsborough were those who had been in the ground for a couple of hours - they were killed because of a crush when the gates were opened and the 1000’s of ticketless supporters that were undoubtedly there saw their opportunity of getting into the match on a freebie

Of course there were other factors involved, and I’m not saying that the Liverpool supporters intended for anything like what happened to happen

However, the whitewash over the years to say that the Liverpool supporters were totally blameless is totally incorrect - they contributed to causing that disaster - which should never have happened

But for them to continually scream victim and Justice without actually facing up to the part they played is utterly dishonest wrong

The poor innocents one were killed at the front ofnthe stadium partly by the hoards behind them, many without tickets

I’ll probably get banned for voicing these views, but TBH, I don’t greatly care, I’ve not been on here for the past 2 years anyway, so I’ll hardly miss it

I just find it a shame that the admins don’t allow ALL views to be shared and debated but rather ban someone who actually speaks the truth from his perspective
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Just out of interest how do you know many were without tickets just because you were there? This has been proven incorrect on multiple occasions.

Also how did Liverpool fans contribute to the deaths apart from unknowingly being directed into an already full area? This again has been proven multiple times or you being there you somehow so the fans entered differently from your seat?

You're a lying сunt and your lies has been proven incorrect by actual evidence and police admitting what actually happened as well as being told what to say and having their evidence changed by their bosses.

That's not free speech, that's being a сunt.
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comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bored As Fudge Again (U21998)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by HEY, WE'RE BACK (U22866)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Bored As Fudge Again (U21998)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by HEY, WE'RE BACK (U22866)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by HEY, WE'RE BACK (U22866)
posted 1 minute ago
TBF - this Forum is governed by dictators - The Admins openly admit to this forum NOT being open to free speech

I’ve been banned from here previously for sharing my views on Hillsborough which TBH aren’t popular or accepted by the majority

But from someone who was actually there, I feel my opinion is just as valid as those who weren’t there and who tell me I’m working for saying what I say

The irony is, this forum is all about opinions and debating, but as I say, I’ve had my account banned for speaking out on a subject, which just made me walk away and not comm et on here for a couple of years

I’ve only come back on here in the past month, but expect to be kicked out again for saying what I’ve just said
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What you said has been refuted, debunked, apologised for been shown to be incorrect with evidence. You can say what you want, doesn't mean there aren't consequences for being a vindictive lying сunt. Free speech doesn't entitle you to protection from consequences of your speech. I don't think you know what free speech means.
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‘What you said has been refuted, debunked, apologised for been shown to be incorrect with evidence. ‘


By people who weren’t even there

I know what I saw and witnessed that day, and no amount of screaming, accusing, lying or cancelling will ever change my mind to the things I saw an witnessed

Trust that helps
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Not wanting to open a can of worms, but I am fascinated to know what your views are that are not popular.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
My views on Hillsborough are simple:


Having been there, I 100% believe that the innocent victims of Hillsborough were those who had been in the ground for a couple of hours - they were killed because of a crush when the gates were opened and the 1000’s of ticketless supporters that were undoubtedly there saw their opportunity of getting into the match on a freebie

Of course there were other factors involved, and I’m not saying that the Liverpool supporters intended for anything like what happened to happen

However, the whitewash over the years to say that the Liverpool supporters were totally blameless is totally incorrect - they contributed to causing that disaster - which should never have happened

But for them to continually scream victim and Justice without actually facing up to the part they played is utterly dishonest wrong

The poor innocents one were killed at the front ofnthe stadium partly by the hoards behind them, many without tickets

I’ll probably get banned for voicing these views, but TBH, I don’t greatly care, I’ve not been on here for the past 2 years anyway, so I’ll hardly miss it

I just find it a shame that the admins don’t allow ALL views to be shared and debated but rather ban someone who actually speaks the truth from his perspective
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Just out of interest how do you know many were without tickets just because you were there? This has been proven incorrect on multiple occasions.

Also how did Liverpool fans contribute to the deaths apart from unknowingly being directed into an already full area? This again has been proven multiple times or you being there you somehow so the fans entered differently from your seat?

You're a lying сunt and your lies has been proven incorrect by actual evidence and police admitting what actually happened as well as being told what to say and having their evidence changed by their bosses.

That's not free speech, that's being a сunt.
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Are you saying that there were not tickets supporters trying to gain access to the ground?
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No I'm saying it wasn't a contributing cause as per the actual evidence and findings. It was a normal amount for the times which was a small minority. This small minority did not contribute to crushing since they were such a small minority. What contributed and has actually been proven with evidence is police directed fans into already full areas and they had nowhere to go since there were still a stream of fans behind them trying to get in, not knowing about what was unfolding at the front.
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You haven’t got a clue what you’re talking about

You probably weren’t even there

Once again spouting nonesense that you’ve been fed down the years by those who know they have blood on their hands doing and saying anything to justify theirs actions as not being responsible

Those who were there know the truth - and no amount of screaming or shouting people down will alter the fact

Because you see ‘FACTS’ don't care about emotions or feelings

I don’t have anything else to say on the matter

End of!

Suggest we leave the Hillsborough stuff alone. There are people who lost friends and loved ones who are far more invested n it than those of us on the outside who cannot comprehend the loss.

comment by HEY, WE'RE BACK (U22866)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bored As Fudge Again (U21998)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by HEY, WE'RE BACK (U22866)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Bored As Fudge Again (U21998)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by HEY, WE'RE BACK (U22866)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by HEY, WE'RE BACK (U22866)
posted 1 minute ago
TBF - this Forum is governed by dictators - The Admins openly admit to this forum NOT being open to free speech

I’ve been banned from here previously for sharing my views on Hillsborough which TBH aren’t popular or accepted by the majority

But from someone who was actually there, I feel my opinion is just as valid as those who weren’t there and who tell me I’m working for saying what I say

The irony is, this forum is all about opinions and debating, but as I say, I’ve had my account banned for speaking out on a subject, which just made me walk away and not comm et on here for a couple of years

I’ve only come back on here in the past month, but expect to be kicked out again for saying what I’ve just said
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What you said has been refuted, debunked, apologised for been shown to be incorrect with evidence. You can say what you want, doesn't mean there aren't consequences for being a vindictive lying сunt. Free speech doesn't entitle you to protection from consequences of your speech. I don't think you know what free speech means.
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‘What you said has been refuted, debunked, apologised for been shown to be incorrect with evidence. ‘


By people who weren’t even there

I know what I saw and witnessed that day, and no amount of screaming, accusing, lying or cancelling will ever change my mind to the things I saw an witnessed

Trust that helps
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not wanting to open a can of worms, but I am fascinated to know what your views are that are not popular.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
My views on Hillsborough are simple:


Having been there, I 100% believe that the innocent victims of Hillsborough were those who had been in the ground for a couple of hours - they were killed because of a crush when the gates were opened and the 1000’s of ticketless supporters that were undoubtedly there saw their opportunity of getting into the match on a freebie

Of course there were other factors involved, and I’m not saying that the Liverpool supporters intended for anything like what happened to happen

However, the whitewash over the years to say that the Liverpool supporters were totally blameless is totally incorrect - they contributed to causing that disaster - which should never have happened

But for them to continually scream victim and Justice without actually facing up to the part they played is utterly dishonest wrong

The poor innocents one were killed at the front ofnthe stadium partly by the hoards behind them, many without tickets

I’ll probably get banned for voicing these views, but TBH, I don’t greatly care, I’ve not been on here for the past 2 years anyway, so I’ll hardly miss it

I just find it a shame that the admins don’t allow ALL views to be shared and debated but rather ban someone who actually speaks the truth from his perspective
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Just out of interest how do you know many were without tickets just because you were there? This has been proven incorrect on multiple occasions.

Also how did Liverpool fans contribute to the deaths apart from unknowingly being directed into an already full area? This again has been proven multiple times or you being there you somehow so the fans entered differently from your seat?

You're a lying сunt and your lies has been proven incorrect by actual evidence and police admitting what actually happened as well as being told what to say and having their evidence changed by their bosses.

That's not free speech, that's being a сunt.
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Are you saying that there were not tickets supporters trying to gain access to the ground?
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No I'm saying it wasn't a contributing cause as per the actual evidence and findings. It was a normal amount for the times which was a small minority. This small minority did not contribute to crushing since they were such a small minority. What contributed and has actually been proven with evidence is police directed fans into already full areas and they had nowhere to go since there were still a stream of fans behind them trying to get in, not knowing about what was unfolding at the front.
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You haven’t got a clue what you’re talking about

You probably weren’t even there

Once again spouting nonesense that you’ve been fed down the years by those who know they have blood on their hands doing and saying anything to justify theirs actions as not being responsible

Those who were there know the truth - and no amount of screaming or shouting people down will alter the fact

Because you see ‘FACTS’ don't care about emotions or feelings

I don’t have anything else to say on the matter

End of!
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I indeed was not there. However I tend to rely on actual facts and evidence and not hearsay, especially hearsay from сunts like you.

You claim because you were there you knew there were thousands without tickets who contributed to the deaths, how? There has been actual evidence provided, written evidence from police at the time who actually were literally right there where the events unfolded, not sitting in there seat far away from it, able to see the crush but not what happened to cause it.

You claim about a whitewash with the findings using actual evidence that was no changed or redacted by order from above. The actual whitewash occured right after the disaster and has been proven beyond doubt, again with actual evidence.

So again, I'll go with actual evidence rather than made up accounts from somebody claiming to be there as if they could have seen the cause from their seats.

I'll also add this is not all you claimed in the past and if anybody is in any doubt about what he claimed, again read the Sun's claims.

You see it's always the сunts who cry about free speech because they don't get to spout their drivel without consequences.

I remember when my kid was trying to get past the stair gate. Banging on it trying to get through. So I opened it and the the little facker fell down the stairs and died. Yet people are trying to say he was the victim. I was there. He was the one trying to get down the stairs. I know the TRUTH

Struggling to tell which one is Barry and which one is the Forest fan when scrolling through all these reply chains.

Free speech has consequences.

Or a least it should, for all.

comment by Ruben The King Amorim Tim Tagi Dim (U10026)
posted 42 seconds ago
Struggling to tell which one is Barry and which one is the Forest fan when scrolling through all these reply chains.
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I think Barry is the one who isn't a сunt. Should be pretty easy. Don't tell Barry I said that, he might take it as a compliment.

comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by Ruben The King Amorim Tim Tagi Dim (U10026)
posted 42 seconds ago
Struggling to tell which one is Barry and which one is the Forest fan when scrolling through all these reply chains.
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I think Barry is the one who isn't a сunt. Should be pretty easy. Don't tell Barry I said that, he might take it as a compliment.
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Who is Barry? Now I'm really confused

comment by Randy Wolters (U1734)
posted 4 minutes ago
I remember when my kid was trying to get past the stair gate. Banging on it trying to get through. So I opened it and the the little facker fell down the stairs and died. Yet people are trying to say he was the victim. I was there. He was the one trying to get down the stairs. I know the TRUTH
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Someone tell me I just read Randy's comment wrong

comment by Bored As Fudge Again (U21998)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by Ruben The King Amorim Tim Tagi Dim (U10026)
posted 42 seconds ago
Struggling to tell which one is Barry and which one is the Forest fan when scrolling through all these reply chains.
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I think Barry is the one who isn't a сunt. Should be pretty easy. Don't tell Barry I said that, he might take it as a compliment.
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Who is Barry? Now I'm really confused
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He's the one acting like a caant to get other caants to react to him because only a caant gets baited what is, to the rest of us, obvious over the top caantism

comment by Bãleș left boot (U22081)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bored As Fudge Again (U21998)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by Ruben The King Amorim Tim Tagi Dim (U10026)
posted 42 seconds ago
Struggling to tell which one is Barry and which one is the Forest fan when scrolling through all these reply chains.
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I think Barry is the one who isn't a сunt. Should be pretty easy. Don't tell Barry I said that, he might take it as a compliment.
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Who is Barry? Now I'm really confused
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He's the one acting like a caant to get other caants to react to him because only a caant gets baited what is, to the rest of us, obvious over the top caantism
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Ok, but that didn't narrow it for me, lol

comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by HEY, WE'RE BACK (U22866)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bored As Fudge Again (U21998)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by HEY, WE'RE BACK (U22866)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Bored As Fudge Again (U21998)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by HEY, WE'RE BACK (U22866)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by HEY, WE'RE BACK (U22866)
posted 1 minute ago
TBF - this Forum is governed by dictators - The Admins openly admit to this forum NOT being open to free speech

I’ve been banned from here previously for sharing my views on Hillsborough which TBH aren’t popular or accepted by the majority

But from someone who was actually there, I feel my opinion is just as valid as those who weren’t there and who tell me I’m working for saying what I say

The irony is, this forum is all about opinions and debating, but as I say, I’ve had my account banned for speaking out on a subject, which just made me walk away and not comm et on here for a couple of years

I’ve only come back on here in the past month, but expect to be kicked out again for saying what I’ve just said
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What you said has been refuted, debunked, apologised for been shown to be incorrect with evidence. You can say what you want, doesn't mean there aren't consequences for being a vindictive lying сunt. Free speech doesn't entitle you to protection from consequences of your speech. I don't think you know what free speech means.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
‘What you said has been refuted, debunked, apologised for been shown to be incorrect with evidence. ‘


By people who weren’t even there

I know what I saw and witnessed that day, and no amount of screaming, accusing, lying or cancelling will ever change my mind to the things I saw an witnessed

Trust that helps
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not wanting to open a can of worms, but I am fascinated to know what your views are that are not popular.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
My views on Hillsborough are simple:


Having been there, I 100% believe that the innocent victims of Hillsborough were those who had been in the ground for a couple of hours - they were killed because of a crush when the gates were opened and the 1000’s of ticketless supporters that were undoubtedly there saw their opportunity of getting into the match on a freebie

Of course there were other factors involved, and I’m not saying that the Liverpool supporters intended for anything like what happened to happen

However, the whitewash over the years to say that the Liverpool supporters were totally blameless is totally incorrect - they contributed to causing that disaster - which should never have happened

But for them to continually scream victim and Justice without actually facing up to the part they played is utterly dishonest wrong

The poor innocents one were killed at the front ofnthe stadium partly by the hoards behind them, many without tickets

I’ll probably get banned for voicing these views, but TBH, I don’t greatly care, I’ve not been on here for the past 2 years anyway, so I’ll hardly miss it

I just find it a shame that the admins don’t allow ALL views to be shared and debated but rather ban someone who actually speaks the truth from his perspective
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Just out of interest how do you know many were without tickets just because you were there? This has been proven incorrect on multiple occasions.

Also how did Liverpool fans contribute to the deaths apart from unknowingly being directed into an already full area? This again has been proven multiple times or you being there you somehow so the fans entered differently from your seat?

You're a lying сunt and your lies has been proven incorrect by actual evidence and police admitting what actually happened as well as being told what to say and having their evidence changed by their bosses.

That's not free speech, that's being a сunt.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Are you saying that there were not tickets supporters trying to gain access to the ground?
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No I'm saying it wasn't a contributing cause as per the actual evidence and findings. It was a normal amount for the times which was a small minority. This small minority did not contribute to crushing since they were such a small minority. What contributed and has actually been proven with evidence is police directed fans into already full areas and they had nowhere to go since there were still a stream of fans behind them trying to get in, not knowing about what was unfolding at the front.
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You haven’t got a clue what you’re talking about

You probably weren’t even there

Once again spouting nonesense that you’ve been fed down the years by those who know they have blood on their hands doing and saying anything to justify theirs actions as not being responsible

Those who were there know the truth - and no amount of screaming or shouting people down will alter the fact

Because you see ‘FACTS’ don't care about emotions or feelings

I don’t have anything else to say on the matter

End of!
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I indeed was not there. However I tend to rely on actual facts and evidence and not hearsay, especially hearsay from сunts like you.

You claim because you were there you knew there were thousands without tickets who contributed to the deaths, how? There has been actual evidence provided, written evidence from police at the time who actually were literally right there where the events unfolded, not sitting in there seat far away from it, able to see the crush but not what happened to cause it.

You claim about a whitewash with the findings using actual evidence that was no changed or redacted by order from above. The actual whitewash occured right after the disaster and has been proven beyond doubt, again with actual evidence.

So again, I'll go with actual evidence rather than made up accounts from somebody claiming to be there as if they could have seen the cause from their seats.

I'll also add this is not all you claimed in the past and if anybody is in any doubt about what he claimed, again read the Sun's claims.

You see it's always the сunts who cry about free speech because they don't get to spout their drivel without consequences.
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The very fact you resort to insults, swear words and cursing people not only shows how utterly immature you are, but it also highlights your flimsy lightweight argument

1000’s of Forest supporters saw and know what happened, and agree on this same stance

Why do you think we were never asked for our version of events by those who wanted to paint a particular picture

Anyway, I’m not interested in wasting my time with angry little boys who weren’t even there - go spew your bile elsewhere

I have nothing more to say on the subject - bye

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TBF - this Forum is governed by dictators - The Admins openly admit to this forum NOT being open to free speech

I’ve been banned from here previously for sharing my views on Hillsborough which TBH aren’t popular or accepted by the majority

But from someone who was actually there, I feel my opinion is just as valid as those who weren’t there and who tell me I’m working for saying what I say

The irony is, this forum is all about opinions and debating, but as I say, I’ve had my account banned for speaking out on a subject, which just made me walk away and not comm et on here for a couple of years

I’ve only come back on here in the past month, but expect to be kicked out again for saying what I’ve just said
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What you said has been refuted, debunked, apologised for been shown to be incorrect with evidence. You can say what you want, doesn't mean there aren't consequences for being a vindictive lying сunt. Free speech doesn't entitle you to protection from consequences of your speech. I don't think you know what free speech means.
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‘What you said has been refuted, debunked, apologised for been shown to be incorrect with evidence. ‘


By people who weren’t even there

I know what I saw and witnessed that day, and no amount of screaming, accusing, lying or cancelling will ever change my mind to the things I saw an witnessed

Trust that helps
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Not wanting to open a can of worms, but I am fascinated to know what your views are that are not popular.
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My views on Hillsborough are simple:


Having been there, I 100% believe that the innocent victims of Hillsborough were those who had been in the ground for a couple of hours - they were killed because of a crush when the gates were opened and the 1000’s of ticketless supporters that were undoubtedly there saw their opportunity of getting into the match on a freebie

Of course there were other factors involved, and I’m not saying that the Liverpool supporters intended for anything like what happened to happen

However, the whitewash over the years to say that the Liverpool supporters were totally blameless is totally incorrect - they contributed to causing that disaster - which should never have happened

But for them to continually scream victim and Justice without actually facing up to the part they played is utterly dishonest wrong

The poor innocents one were killed at the front ofnthe stadium partly by the hoards behind them, many without tickets

I’ll probably get banned for voicing these views, but TBH, I don’t greatly care, I’ve not been on here for the past 2 years anyway, so I’ll hardly miss it

I just find it a shame that the admins don’t allow ALL views to be shared and debated but rather ban someone who actually speaks the truth from his perspective
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Just out of interest how do you know many were without tickets just because you were there? This has been proven incorrect on multiple occasions.

Also how did Liverpool fans contribute to the deaths apart from unknowingly being directed into an already full area? This again has been proven multiple times or you being there you somehow so the fans entered differently from your seat?

You're a lying сunt and your lies has been proven incorrect by actual evidence and police admitting what actually happened as well as being told what to say and having their evidence changed by their bosses.

That's not free speech, that's being a сunt.
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Are you saying that there were not tickets supporters trying to gain access to the ground?
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No I'm saying it wasn't a contributing cause as per the actual evidence and findings. It was a normal amount for the times which was a small minority. This small minority did not contribute to crushing since they were such a small minority. What contributed and has actually been proven with evidence is police directed fans into already full areas and they had nowhere to go since there were still a stream of fans behind them trying to get in, not knowing about what was unfolding at the front.
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You haven’t got a clue what you’re talking about

You probably weren’t even there

Once again spouting nonesense that you’ve been fed down the years by those who know they have blood on their hands doing and saying anything to justify theirs actions as not being responsible

Those who were there know the truth - and no amount of screaming or shouting people down will alter the fact

Because you see ‘FACTS’ don't care about emotions or feelings

I don’t have anything else to say on the matter

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I indeed was not there. However I tend to rely on actual facts and evidence and not hearsay, especially hearsay from сunts like you.

You claim because you were there you knew there were thousands without tickets who contributed to the deaths, how? There has been actual evidence provided, written evidence from police at the time who actually were literally right there where the events unfolded, not sitting in there seat far away from it, able to see the crush but not what happened to cause it.

You claim about a whitewash with the findings using actual evidence that was no changed or redacted by order from above. The actual whitewash occured right after the disaster and has been proven beyond doubt, again with actual evidence.

So again, I'll go with actual evidence rather than made up accounts from somebody claiming to be there as if they could have seen the cause from their seats.

I'll also add this is not all you claimed in the past and if anybody is in any doubt about what he claimed, again read the Sun's claims.

You see it's always the сunts who cry about free speech because they don't get to spout their drivel without consequences.
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The very fact you resort to insults, swear words and cursing people not only shows how utterly immature you are, but it also highlights your flimsy lightweight argument

1000’s of Forest supporters saw and know what happened, and agree on this same stance

Why do you think we were never asked for our version of events by those who wanted to paint a particular picture

Anyway, I’m not interested in wasting my time with angry little boys who weren’t even there - go spew your bile elsewhere

I have nothing more to say on the subject - bye


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Good on you mate. The woke probably would have thrown a tantrum and stormed out when challenged their views

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It was my article that got posts stopped, mainly because of one idiot who reacts by throwing insults if he doesn’t agree with anyone. He even suggested that the majority of people on here are ignorant and also that white people shouldn’t have an opinion on racism.

He also thinks that anyone who disagrees with him is either a right wing thug or a naaazi!

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Yeah free speech for everyone except me eh.

Funny that.
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It was the moderators that shut my post down sizzle, not me. However if you do continue to resort to insults and obnoxious comments then it will most likely happen again.

Free speech is one thing, however to say that most people on here are ignorant and that white people cannot comment on racism is not only wrong but also a type of censorship.
FREE SPEECH you say, but only if it applies to you.

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“I was there eventhough i was held back behind a wall of police officers on my side of the stadium, I can give my full biased account! Dont read the real facts, mine are more important!”

You see the reason why several folks on here take issue with what you’re saying is because you ignore facts that have been presented just to push a narrative since you CLEARLY have an ax to grind with Liverpool.

Everyone on here can see through your nonsense. What happened? Did a Liverpool supporter pump your missus lately?

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TBF - this Forum is governed by dictators - The Admins openly admit to this forum NOT being open to free speech

I’ve been banned from here previously for sharing my views on Hillsborough which TBH aren’t popular or accepted by the majority

But from someone who was actually there, I feel my opinion is just as valid as those who weren’t there and who tell me I’m working for saying what I say

The irony is, this forum is all about opinions and debating, but as I say, I’ve had my account banned for speaking out on a subject, which just made me walk away and not comm et on here for a couple of years

I’ve only come back on here in the past month, but expect to be kicked out again for saying what I’ve just said
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What you said has been refuted, debunked, apologised for been shown to be incorrect with evidence. You can say what you want, doesn't mean there aren't consequences for being a vindictive lying сunt. Free speech doesn't entitle you to protection from consequences of your speech. I don't think you know what free speech means.
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‘What you said has been refuted, debunked, apologised for been shown to be incorrect with evidence. ‘


By people who weren’t even there

I know what I saw and witnessed that day, and no amount of screaming, accusing, lying or cancelling will ever change my mind to the things I saw an witnessed

Trust that helps
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Not wanting to open a can of worms, but I am fascinated to know what your views are that are not popular.
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My views on Hillsborough are simple:


Having been there, I 100% believe that the innocent victims of Hillsborough were those who had been in the ground for a couple of hours - they were killed because of a crush when the gates were opened and the 1000’s of ticketless supporters that were undoubtedly there saw their opportunity of getting into the match on a freebie

Of course there were other factors involved, and I’m not saying that the Liverpool supporters intended for anything like what happened to happen

However, the whitewash over the years to say that the Liverpool supporters were totally blameless is totally incorrect - they contributed to causing that disaster - which should never have happened

But for them to continually scream victim and Justice without actually facing up to the part they played is utterly dishonest wrong

The poor innocents one were killed at the front ofnthe stadium partly by the hoards behind them, many without tickets

I’ll probably get banned for voicing these views, but TBH, I don’t greatly care, I’ve not been on here for the past 2 years anyway, so I’ll hardly miss it

I just find it a shame that the admins don’t allow ALL views to be shared and debated but rather ban someone who actually speaks the truth from his perspective
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Just out of interest how do you know many were without tickets just because you were there? This has been proven incorrect on multiple occasions.

Also how did Liverpool fans contribute to the deaths apart from unknowingly being directed into an already full area? This again has been proven multiple times or you being there you somehow so the fans entered differently from your seat?

You're a lying сunt and your lies has been proven incorrect by actual evidence and police admitting what actually happened as well as being told what to say and having their evidence changed by their bosses.

That's not free speech, that's being a сunt.
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Are you saying that there were not tickets supporters trying to gain access to the ground?
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No I'm saying it wasn't a contributing cause as per the actual evidence and findings. It was a normal amount for the times which was a small minority. This small minority did not contribute to crushing since they were such a small minority. What contributed and has actually been proven with evidence is police directed fans into already full areas and they had nowhere to go since there were still a stream of fans behind them trying to get in, not knowing about what was unfolding at the front.
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You haven’t got a clue what you’re talking about

You probably weren’t even there

Once again spouting nonesense that you’ve been fed down the years by those who know they have blood on their hands doing and saying anything to justify theirs actions as not being responsible

Those who were there know the truth - and no amount of screaming or shouting people down will alter the fact

Because you see ‘FACTS’ don't care about emotions or feelings

I don’t have anything else to say on the matter

End of!
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I indeed was not there. However I tend to rely on actual facts and evidence and not hearsay, especially hearsay from сunts like you.

You claim because you were there you knew there were thousands without tickets who contributed to the deaths, how? There has been actual evidence provided, written evidence from police at the time who actually were literally right there where the events unfolded, not sitting in there seat far away from it, able to see the crush but not what happened to cause it.

You claim about a whitewash with the findings using actual evidence that was no changed or redacted by order from above. The actual whitewash occured right after the disaster and has been proven beyond doubt, again with actual evidence.

So again, I'll go with actual evidence rather than made up accounts from somebody claiming to be there as if they could have seen the cause from their seats.

I'll also add this is not all you claimed in the past and if anybody is in any doubt about what he claimed, again read the Sun's claims.

You see it's always the сunts who cry about free speech because they don't get to spout their drivel without consequences.
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The very fact you resort to insults, swear words and cursing people not only shows how utterly immature you are, but it also highlights your flimsy lightweight argument

1000’s of Forest supporters saw and know what happened, and agree on this same stance

Why do you think we were never asked for our version of events by those who wanted to paint a particular picture

Anyway, I’m not interested in wasting my time with angry little boys who weren’t even there - go spew your bile elsewhere

I have nothing more to say on the subject - bye


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What concerns you about insults and swear words? Free speech!

The funny thing is “woke” used to mean things like realising (& being against) the bigger picture/government agenda on things like:

- 9/11 was an inside job used as an excuse to go to war for oil/power in middle east
- similar about the whole of the war on Islam/Islamophobia
- Feminism is an idea planted to break up the family unit to allow the state more control over our children
- & increases tax revenue
- governments are introducing cashless society to have greater control on the population
- the goverment/West is pushing a gay agenda to emasculate men

So none of that is Left wing. It was basically anti a lot of the far left wing things we are now seeing.

So all this to say, the far right have completely ruined that word and missed the original purpose. My opinion or course

I don't think being woke was ever a synonym for conspiracy theorist