This, in a nutshell is where things go wrong under Levy...
"- play it safe, go with largely what we have bar a few ins and outs and hope we get back into Europe; or,
- invest hard to make sure we get back into Europe, at the risk that if we fail we're in a bit of a mess."
If you go with the first option, you're financially prudent but you'll lack competitiveness and the most likely outcome is a stagnation in on field progress.
If you go with the second option, you take the Arsenal approach. Gamble each year. Go hard and hope you succeed. You might not win anything but the guaranteed CL football based on the on-field investment sees revenues offset that gamble. This is what virtually all successful clubs do.
Levy will always go for the first option and that sums up why we're not even remotely successful under him. It also explains why, when we do qualify for the CL, we rarely continue to do so year on year. If you're persistently careful and hesitant, you'll fall behind. Factor in that he's also a shareholder meaning his first priority will always be financial and you've got a recipe for disaster.
The very fact that he's come out with this statement outlining our spend since 2019 shows a defiance in the face of fan pressure. He's clearly not planning on selling up or changing his policy anytime soon. Not only is he not even wavering under fan pressure, he doesn't even understand it.
I think we all understand that a club has to operate within its means. That's a PL initiative that we can't ignore but I think the difference is about guts. Some owners climb a ladder only looking up not worrying about falling off. Others climb tentatively and constantly look down in fear. Levy is that guy, losing pace as he nervously tries to stand on the next rung before bottling it.
Are you guys any nearer getting your Stadium Naming Rights sorted as must be a healthy chunk of additional revenue associated with that when it happens?
Having lost our only world class player, a real risk of no European football next season, some of the highest prices in the country and risk adverse ownership, there's not much to get excited about ! Can understand why some long term supporters are losing interest. I guess that's why the club appears focused on tourists and corporates. One off concert, fight, PL game of football.... Perfect for a one of weekend in London !!
It feels like its all about the singular event rather than the older school/ "football first" view of looking at the season as a whole.
We're supposed to get excited about the prospect of the Frankfurt game & dream of winning a trophy (which we're no good at) and making the CL when the last 18 months have been desperate
He's a bit kinky isn't he old Levy, a bit of a masochist, gets a bin lorry full of abuse wherever he goes and still seems to be loving life.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 25 minutes ago
This, in a nutshell is where things go wrong under Levy...
"- play it safe, go with largely what we have bar a few ins and outs and hope we get back into Europe; or,
- invest hard to make sure we get back into Europe, at the risk that if we fail we're in a bit of a mess."
If you go with the first option, you're financially prudent but you'll lack competitiveness and the most likely outcome is a stagnation in on field progress.
If you go with the second option, you take the Arsenal approach. Gamble each year. Go hard and hope you succeed. You might not win anything but the guaranteed CL football based on the on-field investment sees revenues offset that gamble. This is what virtually all successful clubs do.
Levy will always go for the first option and that sums up why we're not even remotely successful under him. It also explains why, when we do qualify for the CL, we rarely continue to do so year on year. If you're persistently careful and hesitant, you'll fall behind. Factor in that he's also a shareholder meaning his first priority will always be financial and you've got a recipe for disaster.
The very fact that he's come out with this statement outlining our spend since 2019 shows a defiance in the face of fan pressure. He's clearly not planning on selling up or changing his policy anytime soon. Not only is he not even wavering under fan pressure, he doesn't even understand it.
I think we all understand that a club has to operate within its means. That's a PL initiative that we can't ignore but I think the difference is about guts. Some owners climb a ladder only looking up not worrying about falling off. Others climb tentatively and constantly look down in fear. Levy is that guy, losing pace as he nervously tries to stand on the next rung before bottling it.
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What i find difficult to criticise is Levy not putting us at risk. While it is frustratingly cautious, I think its a bit unfair to have a go at him for not gambling. As we have seen with loads of clubs, if it fails it can set you back years, and the ability to buy yourself out of trouble doesn't exist.
It massively different from someone like Ashley who just neglected the club, or the Glazers who have added a ton of debt, taken dividends and allowed Utd to be rudderless.
Liverpool operate in a very similar way to us. They showed huge caution when Klopp left and didn't give Slot a bean to spend. Part of the reason they didnt dominate more was that they didnt have the depth of squad. I feel what really drove them on was Klopp's strength of character, which saw him get what he wanted (even if he did not get all he wanted).
The closest we have come to this is Conte but this guy lost his shiiiit a season and half in, when actually we seemed to be in a position of growing strength and spending power and another summer and he may have had what he needed. He was just inpatient and unrealistic, and was probably the right man at the wrong time.
My fear with the next man is that without the strength of character, progress will be careful and measured but not single-minded enough. For example, rather than thinking, OK, the squad is pretty strong, with a good blend, we just need to add 2 or 3 starters to take us to the next level, its just more of a same. A starter (Solanke) , a squad player (Odobert), and a 'club signing' (Bergvall).
Klopp wanted VVD. They missed out in the summer, held on, got bent over a bit by Saints but got their man and its proven to be an amazing decision. Rather than us holding out for an over priced, Eze for example, we're more likely to get an Odobert and young Son.v2. It may work out for us, but it is the less risky option and the rewards are less likely to be immediate and by no means certain.
I can understand that the last 2 years have been a massive rebuild of the squad so a blend is always going to happen, but a time has to come at some point when the signings are focussed on immediate progress, taking a step forward now and not just the steady course we have followed for ages without making much progress. That doesn't need massive spending, it might just need a couple big buys instead of 4 or 5 average ones. I do think Levy has nightmares about NDombele and often wakes up sweating and crying.
comment by CNB III (U23232)
posted 49 minutes ago
Are you guys any nearer getting your Stadium Naming Rights sorted as must be a healthy chunk of additional revenue associated with that when it happens?
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You can’t rush these things, 5 years to find a sponsor is nothing
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 8 minutes ago
Having lost our only world class player, a real risk of no European football next season, some of the highest prices in the country and risk adverse ownership, there's not much to get excited about ! Can understand why some long term supporters are losing interest. I guess that's why the club appears focused on tourists and corporates. One off concert, fight, PL game of football.... Perfect for a one of weekend in London !!
It feels like its all about the singular event rather than the older school/ "football first" view of looking at the season as a whole.
We're supposed to get excited about the prospect of the Frankfurt game & dream of winning a trophy (which we're no good at) and making the CL when the last 18 months have been desperate
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Firstly, look at our commercial revenues. They are £100m more than 5 years ago. That pays for an awful lot more, so to be critical of the club looking to diversity and maximise revenues i find a bit weird.
I can appreciate that how loyal fans are treated has not been good and that has caused disharmony, but I see that as a very different issue from maximising the stadium use. We spent £1bn on this thing and we make more money and a better use of it than any other club does from theirs. Should be applauded. I think the success of the stadium should be better used to 'subsidise' the loyal fans and youth a bit, but the same hard commercial approach is taken to all aspects, which should not be applauded.
If you cannot get up for the Frankfurt game then i find that similarly weird. Fans seem less and less able to live in the moment and want to temper any victory with "yes but we're 14th" "yes but we're never going to win the away leg" "yes but Levy blah blah blah".
I cannot wait for the Europa game and gutted i couldn't get to it with my boys. When we get knocked out i will be miserable and the season will be over emotionally. Once the emotion goes then football is just blokes running and kicking a ball. Not sure why some feel
the emotion has gone when we have glory to play for.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 8 minutes ago
Having lost our only world class player, a real risk of no European football next season, some of the highest prices in the country and risk adverse ownership, there's not much to get excited about ! Can understand why some long term supporters are losing interest. I guess that's why the club appears focused on tourists and corporates. One off concert, fight, PL game of football.... Perfect for a one of weekend in London !!
It feels like its all about the singular event rather than the older school/ "football first" view of looking at the season as a whole.
We're supposed to get excited about the prospect of the Frankfurt game & dream of winning a trophy (which we're no good at) and making the CL when the last 18 months have been desperate
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Firstly, look at our commercial revenues. They are £100m more than 5 years ago. That pays for an awful lot more, so to be critical of the club looking to diversity and maximise revenues i find a bit weird.
I can appreciate that how loyal fans are treated has not been good and that has caused disharmony, but I see that as a very different issue from maximising the stadium use. We spent £1bn on this thing and we make more money and a better use of it than any other club does from theirs. Should be applauded. I think the success of the stadium should be better used to 'subsidise' the loyal fans and youth a bit, but the same hard commercial approach is taken to all aspects, which should not be applauded.
If you cannot get up for the Frankfurt game then i find that similarly weird. Fans seem less and less able to live in the moment and want to temper any victory with "yes but we're 14th" "yes but we're never going to win the away leg" "yes but Levy blah blah blah".
I cannot wait for the Europa game and gutted i couldn't get to it with my boys. When we get knocked out i will be miserable and the season will be over emotionally. Once the emotion goes then football is just blokes running and kicking a ball. Not sure why some feel
the emotion has gone when we have glory to play for.
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That £100m is okay, but compared to TV money it just isn’t a game changer, especially when you factor inflation over that 5 year period.
It’s not nothing, but it’s not the magic bullet Levy tried to sell us either.
As for Frankfurt - we can dream, but this manager is useless, it’s a faaacking pipe dream
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 25 minutes ago
He's a bit kinky isn't he old Levy, a bit of a masochist, gets a bin lorry full of abuse wherever he goes and still seems to be loving life.
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There’s a thread on the fighting coooock website currently called: would you dip your cooock in Levy’s pint if he wasn’t looking
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 8 minutes ago
Having lost our only world class player, a real risk of no European football next season, some of the highest prices in the country and risk adverse ownership, there's not much to get excited about ! Can understand why some long term supporters are losing interest. I guess that's why the club appears focused on tourists and corporates. One off concert, fight, PL game of football.... Perfect for a one of weekend in London !!
It feels like its all about the singular event rather than the older school/ "football first" view of looking at the season as a whole.
We're supposed to get excited about the prospect of the Frankfurt game & dream of winning a trophy (which we're no good at) and making the CL when the last 18 months have been desperate
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Firstly, look at our commercial revenues. They are £100m more than 5 years ago. That pays for an awful lot more, so to be critical of the club looking to diversity and maximise revenues i find a bit weird.
I can appreciate that how loyal fans are treated has not been good and that has caused disharmony, but I see that as a very different issue from maximising the stadium use. We spent £1bn on this thing and we make more money and a better use of it than any other club does from theirs. Should be applauded. I think the success of the stadium should be better used to 'subsidise' the loyal fans and youth a bit, but the same hard commercial approach is taken to all aspects, which should not be applauded.
If you cannot get up for the Frankfurt game then i find that similarly weird. Fans seem less and less able to live in the moment and want to temper any victory with "yes but we're 14th" "yes but we're never going to win the away leg" "yes but Levy blah blah blah".
I cannot wait for the Europa game and gutted i couldn't get to it with my boys. When we get knocked out i will be miserable and the season will be over emotionally. Once the emotion goes then football is just blokes running and kicking a ball. Not sure why some feel
the emotion has gone when we have glory to play for.
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That £100m is okay, but compared to TV money it just isn’t a game changer, especially when you factor inflation over that 5 year period.
It’s not nothing, but it’s not the magic bullet Levy tried to sell us either.
As for Frankfurt - we can dream, but this manager is useless, it’s a faaacking pipe dream
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Are you serious? £100m extra revenue not a game changer
Every club gets massive TV money. A clubs ability to increase commercial revenues is what differentiates between the an average club and a top club (financially). If that revenue is diversified and thus not linked to how we fair on the pitch or the next TV deal (NFL, boxing, music, F1) then even better because it is stable.
As for Frankfurt, we're in a knock out competition. Anything can and does happen. Dream FFS!! Isn't that part of what being a fan is?
Don't get this "it's a pipe dream so cannot get up for it" mindset. Fans moan on and on about not winning stuff, we're in a QF, have a chance and it's: Meh! we're gonna lose
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 40 minutes ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 8 minutes ago
Having lost our only world class player, a real risk of no European football next season, some of the highest prices in the country and risk adverse ownership, there's not much to get excited about ! Can understand why some long term supporters are losing interest. I guess that's why the club appears focused on tourists and corporates. One off concert, fight, PL game of football.... Perfect for a one of weekend in London !!
It feels like its all about the singular event rather than the older school/ "football first" view of looking at the season as a whole.
We're supposed to get excited about the prospect of the Frankfurt game & dream of winning a trophy (which we're no good at) and making the CL when the last 18 months have been desperate
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Firstly, look at our commercial revenues. They are £100m more than 5 years ago. That pays for an awful lot more, so to be critical of the club looking to diversity and maximise revenues i find a bit weird.
I can appreciate that how loyal fans are treated has not been good and that has caused disharmony, but I see that as a very different issue from maximising the stadium use. We spent £1bn on this thing and we make more money and a better use of it than any other club does from theirs. Should be applauded. I think the success of the stadium should be better used to 'subsidise' the loyal fans and youth a bit, but the same hard commercial approach is taken to all aspects, which should not be applauded.
If you cannot get up for the Frankfurt game then i find that similarly weird. Fans seem less and less able to live in the moment and want to temper any victory with "yes but we're 14th" "yes but we're never going to win the away leg" "yes but Levy blah blah blah".
I cannot wait for the Europa game and gutted i couldn't get to it with my boys. When we get knocked out i will be miserable and the season will be over emotionally. Once the emotion goes then football is just blokes running and kicking a ball. Not sure why some feel
the emotion has gone when we have glory to play for.
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I have no problem with the commercial uses for the stadium.....makes total sense and Im looking forward to the Frankfurt game. My point being we are 2 bad games away from our season being over and sitting in 14th place in the league having been woeful since Nov 2023. Is that a fair return for all the financial acumen you highlighted ?
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 8 minutes ago
Having lost our only world class player, a real risk of no European football next season, some of the highest prices in the country and risk adverse ownership, there's not much to get excited about ! Can understand why some long term supporters are losing interest. I guess that's why the club appears focused on tourists and corporates. One off concert, fight, PL game of football.... Perfect for a one of weekend in London !!
It feels like its all about the singular event rather than the older school/ "football first" view of looking at the season as a whole.
We're supposed to get excited about the prospect of the Frankfurt game & dream of winning a trophy (which we're no good at) and making the CL when the last 18 months have been desperate
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Firstly, look at our commercial revenues. They are £100m more than 5 years ago. That pays for an awful lot more, so to be critical of the club looking to diversity and maximise revenues i find a bit weird.
I can appreciate that how loyal fans are treated has not been good and that has caused disharmony, but I see that as a very different issue from maximising the stadium use. We spent £1bn on this thing and we make more money and a better use of it than any other club does from theirs. Should be applauded. I think the success of the stadium should be better used to 'subsidise' the loyal fans and youth a bit, but the same hard commercial approach is taken to all aspects, which should not be applauded.
If you cannot get up for the Frankfurt game then i find that similarly weird. Fans seem less and less able to live in the moment and want to temper any victory with "yes but we're 14th" "yes but we're never going to win the away leg" "yes but Levy blah blah blah".
I cannot wait for the Europa game and gutted i couldn't get to it with my boys. When we get knocked out i will be miserable and the season will be over emotionally. Once the emotion goes then football is just blokes running and kicking a ball. Not sure why some feel
the emotion has gone when we have glory to play for.
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That £100m is okay, but compared to TV money it just isn’t a game changer, especially when you factor inflation over that 5 year period.
It’s not nothing, but it’s not the magic bullet Levy tried to sell us either.
As for Frankfurt - we can dream, but this manager is useless, it’s a faaacking pipe dream
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I’d wager if you compared that commercial revenue increase to every other club across that five year period that it would be among the biggest increases in football.
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 8 minutes ago
Having lost our only world class player, a real risk of no European football next season, some of the highest prices in the country and risk adverse ownership, there's not much to get excited about ! Can understand why some long term supporters are losing interest. I guess that's why the club appears focused on tourists and corporates. One off concert, fight, PL game of football.... Perfect for a one of weekend in London !!
It feels like its all about the singular event rather than the older school/ "football first" view of looking at the season as a whole.
We're supposed to get excited about the prospect of the Frankfurt game & dream of winning a trophy (which we're no good at) and making the CL when the last 18 months have been desperate
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Firstly, look at our commercial revenues. They are £100m more than 5 years ago. That pays for an awful lot more, so to be critical of the club looking to diversity and maximise revenues i find a bit weird.
I can appreciate that how loyal fans are treated has not been good and that has caused disharmony, but I see that as a very different issue from maximising the stadium use. We spent £1bn on this thing and we make more money and a better use of it than any other club does from theirs. Should be applauded. I think the success of the stadium should be better used to 'subsidise' the loyal fans and youth a bit, but the same hard commercial approach is taken to all aspects, which should not be applauded.
If you cannot get up for the Frankfurt game then i find that similarly weird. Fans seem less and less able to live in the moment and want to temper any victory with "yes but we're 14th" "yes but we're never going to win the away leg" "yes but Levy blah blah blah".
I cannot wait for the Europa game and gutted i couldn't get to it with my boys. When we get knocked out i will be miserable and the season will be over emotionally. Once the emotion goes then football is just blokes running and kicking a ball. Not sure why some feel
the emotion has gone when we have glory to play for.
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That £100m is okay, but compared to TV money it just isn’t a game changer, especially when you factor inflation over that 5 year period.
It’s not nothing, but it’s not the magic bullet Levy tried to sell us either.
As for Frankfurt - we can dream, but this manager is useless, it’s a faaacking pipe dream
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I’d wager if you compared that commercial revenue increase to every other club across that five year period that it would be among the biggest increases in football.
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Yeah but what you and Devon are not grasping is what does £100m buy you these days in football? By the time you factor in transfer fees, agent fees and wages - it’s not a hugely significant advantage. It’s Brennan Johnson and Kinsky plus a small amount of change
Or Cole Palmer and Michael Olise with £10m to spare. The issue is that your recruitment has been poor, not that these huge increases in revenue aren’t significant.
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 25 minutes ago
He's a bit kinky isn't he old Levy, a bit of a masochist, gets a bin lorry full of abuse wherever he goes and still seems to be loving life.
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There’s a thread on the fighting coooock website currently called: would you dip your cooock in Levy’s pint if he wasn’t looking
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If i was in the same room as Levy I would probably have a hard-on so might be a tough one to achieve
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 8 minutes ago
Or Cole Palmer and Michael Olise with £10m to spare. The issue is that your recruitment has been poor, not that these huge increases in revenue aren’t significant.
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Depends what period you are looking at.
Right now i wouldn't say our recruitment has been poor. Not since Paratici got involved. We are 2 or 3 short of being very strong, but that 2 or 3 need to be oven ready. Not more prospects.
The last five years. One of the biggest spenders in football and haven’t signed any top players.
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 8 minutes ago
Having lost our only world class player, a real risk of no European football next season, some of the highest prices in the country and risk adverse ownership, there's not much to get excited about ! Can understand why some long term supporters are losing interest. I guess that's why the club appears focused on tourists and corporates. One off concert, fight, PL game of football.... Perfect for a one of weekend in London !!
It feels like its all about the singular event rather than the older school/ "football first" view of looking at the season as a whole.
We're supposed to get excited about the prospect of the Frankfurt game & dream of winning a trophy (which we're no good at) and making the CL when the last 18 months have been desperate
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Firstly, look at our commercial revenues. They are £100m more than 5 years ago. That pays for an awful lot more, so to be critical of the club looking to diversity and maximise revenues i find a bit weird.
I can appreciate that how loyal fans are treated has not been good and that has caused disharmony, but I see that as a very different issue from maximising the stadium use. We spent £1bn on this thing and we make more money and a better use of it than any other club does from theirs. Should be applauded. I think the success of the stadium should be better used to 'subsidise' the loyal fans and youth a bit, but the same hard commercial approach is taken to all aspects, which should not be applauded.
If you cannot get up for the Frankfurt game then i find that similarly weird. Fans seem less and less able to live in the moment and want to temper any victory with "yes but we're 14th" "yes but we're never going to win the away leg" "yes but Levy blah blah blah".
I cannot wait for the Europa game and gutted i couldn't get to it with my boys. When we get knocked out i will be miserable and the season will be over emotionally. Once the emotion goes then football is just blokes running and kicking a ball. Not sure why some feel
the emotion has gone when we have glory to play for.
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That £100m is okay, but compared to TV money it just isn’t a game changer, especially when you factor inflation over that 5 year period.
It’s not nothing, but it’s not the magic bullet Levy tried to sell us either.
As for Frankfurt - we can dream, but this manager is useless, it’s a faaacking pipe dream
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I’d wager if you compared that commercial revenue increase to every other club across that five year period that it would be among the biggest increases in football.
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Yeah but what you and Devon are not grasping is what does £100m buy you these days in football? By the time you factor in transfer fees, agent fees and wages - it’s not a hugely significant advantage. It’s Brennan Johnson and Kinsky plus a small amount of change
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SO you'd rather we shut the doors on the stadium mid week, opened it every other weekend for games and did away with £100m (about 20%) of our revenues. We'd have to cut our costs by the same - that's wages and transfers!
Well at least our wage to revenue would be much higher which would keep you happy but the hits to our spending power would see you moan about something else.
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
The last five years. One of the biggest spenders in football and haven’t signed any top players.
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How did being the biggest spender and buying lots of top players go for United?
Same as Spurs: badly. Difference is we acknowledge it.
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 16 minutes ago
Same as Spurs: badly. Difference is we acknowledge it.
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It's the same but different tho init. Our strategy has got us a bunch of promising young players who on the whole are still to come good. Similar result for this season, obviously, but we're not lumbered with the expensive deadwood you guys have collected in recent years
It wasn’t a like for like comparison, it was just pointing out both clubs have spent vast sums of money badly. I’d say the same about Chelsea, even if their strategy is different.
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 18 minutes ago
Same as Spurs: badly. Difference is we acknowledge it.
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Don't think we're in the same boat as United, in terms of signings and squad.
United have spent massive money on what they think are top players and it's been a mess.
We havent shown enough ambition but are not saddled with a squad bloated with expensive duds.
With the right man at the helm and a bit more ambition, the bulk of this Spurs squad can do well.
But that’s not really relevant to the original question about signing top players. Spurs wouldn’t be in the mess they’ve been in it their recruitment was good, I’m not sure how anyone can even dispute that.
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posted on 2/4/25
This, in a nutshell is where things go wrong under Levy...
"- play it safe, go with largely what we have bar a few ins and outs and hope we get back into Europe; or,
- invest hard to make sure we get back into Europe, at the risk that if we fail we're in a bit of a mess."
If you go with the first option, you're financially prudent but you'll lack competitiveness and the most likely outcome is a stagnation in on field progress.
If you go with the second option, you take the Arsenal approach. Gamble each year. Go hard and hope you succeed. You might not win anything but the guaranteed CL football based on the on-field investment sees revenues offset that gamble. This is what virtually all successful clubs do.
Levy will always go for the first option and that sums up why we're not even remotely successful under him. It also explains why, when we do qualify for the CL, we rarely continue to do so year on year. If you're persistently careful and hesitant, you'll fall behind. Factor in that he's also a shareholder meaning his first priority will always be financial and you've got a recipe for disaster.
The very fact that he's come out with this statement outlining our spend since 2019 shows a defiance in the face of fan pressure. He's clearly not planning on selling up or changing his policy anytime soon. Not only is he not even wavering under fan pressure, he doesn't even understand it.
I think we all understand that a club has to operate within its means. That's a PL initiative that we can't ignore but I think the difference is about guts. Some owners climb a ladder only looking up not worrying about falling off. Others climb tentatively and constantly look down in fear. Levy is that guy, losing pace as he nervously tries to stand on the next rung before bottling it.
posted on 2/4/25
Are you guys any nearer getting your Stadium Naming Rights sorted as must be a healthy chunk of additional revenue associated with that when it happens?
posted on 2/4/25
Having lost our only world class player, a real risk of no European football next season, some of the highest prices in the country and risk adverse ownership, there's not much to get excited about ! Can understand why some long term supporters are losing interest. I guess that's why the club appears focused on tourists and corporates. One off concert, fight, PL game of football.... Perfect for a one of weekend in London !!
It feels like its all about the singular event rather than the older school/ "football first" view of looking at the season as a whole.
We're supposed to get excited about the prospect of the Frankfurt game & dream of winning a trophy (which we're no good at) and making the CL when the last 18 months have been desperate
posted on 2/4/25
He's a bit kinky isn't he old Levy, a bit of a masochist, gets a bin lorry full of abuse wherever he goes and still seems to be loving life.
posted on 2/4/25
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 25 minutes ago
This, in a nutshell is where things go wrong under Levy...
"- play it safe, go with largely what we have bar a few ins and outs and hope we get back into Europe; or,
- invest hard to make sure we get back into Europe, at the risk that if we fail we're in a bit of a mess."
If you go with the first option, you're financially prudent but you'll lack competitiveness and the most likely outcome is a stagnation in on field progress.
If you go with the second option, you take the Arsenal approach. Gamble each year. Go hard and hope you succeed. You might not win anything but the guaranteed CL football based on the on-field investment sees revenues offset that gamble. This is what virtually all successful clubs do.
Levy will always go for the first option and that sums up why we're not even remotely successful under him. It also explains why, when we do qualify for the CL, we rarely continue to do so year on year. If you're persistently careful and hesitant, you'll fall behind. Factor in that he's also a shareholder meaning his first priority will always be financial and you've got a recipe for disaster.
The very fact that he's come out with this statement outlining our spend since 2019 shows a defiance in the face of fan pressure. He's clearly not planning on selling up or changing his policy anytime soon. Not only is he not even wavering under fan pressure, he doesn't even understand it.
I think we all understand that a club has to operate within its means. That's a PL initiative that we can't ignore but I think the difference is about guts. Some owners climb a ladder only looking up not worrying about falling off. Others climb tentatively and constantly look down in fear. Levy is that guy, losing pace as he nervously tries to stand on the next rung before bottling it.
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What i find difficult to criticise is Levy not putting us at risk. While it is frustratingly cautious, I think its a bit unfair to have a go at him for not gambling. As we have seen with loads of clubs, if it fails it can set you back years, and the ability to buy yourself out of trouble doesn't exist.
It massively different from someone like Ashley who just neglected the club, or the Glazers who have added a ton of debt, taken dividends and allowed Utd to be rudderless.
Liverpool operate in a very similar way to us. They showed huge caution when Klopp left and didn't give Slot a bean to spend. Part of the reason they didnt dominate more was that they didnt have the depth of squad. I feel what really drove them on was Klopp's strength of character, which saw him get what he wanted (even if he did not get all he wanted).
The closest we have come to this is Conte but this guy lost his shiiiit a season and half in, when actually we seemed to be in a position of growing strength and spending power and another summer and he may have had what he needed. He was just inpatient and unrealistic, and was probably the right man at the wrong time.
My fear with the next man is that without the strength of character, progress will be careful and measured but not single-minded enough. For example, rather than thinking, OK, the squad is pretty strong, with a good blend, we just need to add 2 or 3 starters to take us to the next level, its just more of a same. A starter (Solanke) , a squad player (Odobert), and a 'club signing' (Bergvall).
Klopp wanted VVD. They missed out in the summer, held on, got bent over a bit by Saints but got their man and its proven to be an amazing decision. Rather than us holding out for an over priced, Eze for example, we're more likely to get an Odobert and young Son.v2. It may work out for us, but it is the less risky option and the rewards are less likely to be immediate and by no means certain.
I can understand that the last 2 years have been a massive rebuild of the squad so a blend is always going to happen, but a time has to come at some point when the signings are focussed on immediate progress, taking a step forward now and not just the steady course we have followed for ages without making much progress. That doesn't need massive spending, it might just need a couple big buys instead of 4 or 5 average ones. I do think Levy has nightmares about NDombele and often wakes up sweating and crying.
posted on 2/4/25
comment by CNB III (U23232)
posted 49 minutes ago
Are you guys any nearer getting your Stadium Naming Rights sorted as must be a healthy chunk of additional revenue associated with that when it happens?
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You can’t rush these things, 5 years to find a sponsor is nothing
posted on 2/4/25
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 8 minutes ago
Having lost our only world class player, a real risk of no European football next season, some of the highest prices in the country and risk adverse ownership, there's not much to get excited about ! Can understand why some long term supporters are losing interest. I guess that's why the club appears focused on tourists and corporates. One off concert, fight, PL game of football.... Perfect for a one of weekend in London !!
It feels like its all about the singular event rather than the older school/ "football first" view of looking at the season as a whole.
We're supposed to get excited about the prospect of the Frankfurt game & dream of winning a trophy (which we're no good at) and making the CL when the last 18 months have been desperate
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Firstly, look at our commercial revenues. They are £100m more than 5 years ago. That pays for an awful lot more, so to be critical of the club looking to diversity and maximise revenues i find a bit weird.
I can appreciate that how loyal fans are treated has not been good and that has caused disharmony, but I see that as a very different issue from maximising the stadium use. We spent £1bn on this thing and we make more money and a better use of it than any other club does from theirs. Should be applauded. I think the success of the stadium should be better used to 'subsidise' the loyal fans and youth a bit, but the same hard commercial approach is taken to all aspects, which should not be applauded.
If you cannot get up for the Frankfurt game then i find that similarly weird. Fans seem less and less able to live in the moment and want to temper any victory with "yes but we're 14th" "yes but we're never going to win the away leg" "yes but Levy blah blah blah".
I cannot wait for the Europa game and gutted i couldn't get to it with my boys. When we get knocked out i will be miserable and the season will be over emotionally. Once the emotion goes then football is just blokes running and kicking a ball. Not sure why some feel
the emotion has gone when we have glory to play for.
posted on 2/4/25
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 8 minutes ago
Having lost our only world class player, a real risk of no European football next season, some of the highest prices in the country and risk adverse ownership, there's not much to get excited about ! Can understand why some long term supporters are losing interest. I guess that's why the club appears focused on tourists and corporates. One off concert, fight, PL game of football.... Perfect for a one of weekend in London !!
It feels like its all about the singular event rather than the older school/ "football first" view of looking at the season as a whole.
We're supposed to get excited about the prospect of the Frankfurt game & dream of winning a trophy (which we're no good at) and making the CL when the last 18 months have been desperate
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Firstly, look at our commercial revenues. They are £100m more than 5 years ago. That pays for an awful lot more, so to be critical of the club looking to diversity and maximise revenues i find a bit weird.
I can appreciate that how loyal fans are treated has not been good and that has caused disharmony, but I see that as a very different issue from maximising the stadium use. We spent £1bn on this thing and we make more money and a better use of it than any other club does from theirs. Should be applauded. I think the success of the stadium should be better used to 'subsidise' the loyal fans and youth a bit, but the same hard commercial approach is taken to all aspects, which should not be applauded.
If you cannot get up for the Frankfurt game then i find that similarly weird. Fans seem less and less able to live in the moment and want to temper any victory with "yes but we're 14th" "yes but we're never going to win the away leg" "yes but Levy blah blah blah".
I cannot wait for the Europa game and gutted i couldn't get to it with my boys. When we get knocked out i will be miserable and the season will be over emotionally. Once the emotion goes then football is just blokes running and kicking a ball. Not sure why some feel
the emotion has gone when we have glory to play for.
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That £100m is okay, but compared to TV money it just isn’t a game changer, especially when you factor inflation over that 5 year period.
It’s not nothing, but it’s not the magic bullet Levy tried to sell us either.
As for Frankfurt - we can dream, but this manager is useless, it’s a faaacking pipe dream
posted on 2/4/25
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 25 minutes ago
He's a bit kinky isn't he old Levy, a bit of a masochist, gets a bin lorry full of abuse wherever he goes and still seems to be loving life.
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There’s a thread on the fighting coooock website currently called: would you dip your cooock in Levy’s pint if he wasn’t looking
posted on 2/4/25
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 8 minutes ago
Having lost our only world class player, a real risk of no European football next season, some of the highest prices in the country and risk adverse ownership, there's not much to get excited about ! Can understand why some long term supporters are losing interest. I guess that's why the club appears focused on tourists and corporates. One off concert, fight, PL game of football.... Perfect for a one of weekend in London !!
It feels like its all about the singular event rather than the older school/ "football first" view of looking at the season as a whole.
We're supposed to get excited about the prospect of the Frankfurt game & dream of winning a trophy (which we're no good at) and making the CL when the last 18 months have been desperate
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Firstly, look at our commercial revenues. They are £100m more than 5 years ago. That pays for an awful lot more, so to be critical of the club looking to diversity and maximise revenues i find a bit weird.
I can appreciate that how loyal fans are treated has not been good and that has caused disharmony, but I see that as a very different issue from maximising the stadium use. We spent £1bn on this thing and we make more money and a better use of it than any other club does from theirs. Should be applauded. I think the success of the stadium should be better used to 'subsidise' the loyal fans and youth a bit, but the same hard commercial approach is taken to all aspects, which should not be applauded.
If you cannot get up for the Frankfurt game then i find that similarly weird. Fans seem less and less able to live in the moment and want to temper any victory with "yes but we're 14th" "yes but we're never going to win the away leg" "yes but Levy blah blah blah".
I cannot wait for the Europa game and gutted i couldn't get to it with my boys. When we get knocked out i will be miserable and the season will be over emotionally. Once the emotion goes then football is just blokes running and kicking a ball. Not sure why some feel
the emotion has gone when we have glory to play for.
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That £100m is okay, but compared to TV money it just isn’t a game changer, especially when you factor inflation over that 5 year period.
It’s not nothing, but it’s not the magic bullet Levy tried to sell us either.
As for Frankfurt - we can dream, but this manager is useless, it’s a faaacking pipe dream
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Are you serious? £100m extra revenue not a game changer
Every club gets massive TV money. A clubs ability to increase commercial revenues is what differentiates between the an average club and a top club (financially). If that revenue is diversified and thus not linked to how we fair on the pitch or the next TV deal (NFL, boxing, music, F1) then even better because it is stable.
As for Frankfurt, we're in a knock out competition. Anything can and does happen. Dream FFS!! Isn't that part of what being a fan is?
Don't get this "it's a pipe dream so cannot get up for it" mindset. Fans moan on and on about not winning stuff, we're in a QF, have a chance and it's: Meh! we're gonna lose
posted on 2/4/25
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 40 minutes ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 8 minutes ago
Having lost our only world class player, a real risk of no European football next season, some of the highest prices in the country and risk adverse ownership, there's not much to get excited about ! Can understand why some long term supporters are losing interest. I guess that's why the club appears focused on tourists and corporates. One off concert, fight, PL game of football.... Perfect for a one of weekend in London !!
It feels like its all about the singular event rather than the older school/ "football first" view of looking at the season as a whole.
We're supposed to get excited about the prospect of the Frankfurt game & dream of winning a trophy (which we're no good at) and making the CL when the last 18 months have been desperate
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Firstly, look at our commercial revenues. They are £100m more than 5 years ago. That pays for an awful lot more, so to be critical of the club looking to diversity and maximise revenues i find a bit weird.
I can appreciate that how loyal fans are treated has not been good and that has caused disharmony, but I see that as a very different issue from maximising the stadium use. We spent £1bn on this thing and we make more money and a better use of it than any other club does from theirs. Should be applauded. I think the success of the stadium should be better used to 'subsidise' the loyal fans and youth a bit, but the same hard commercial approach is taken to all aspects, which should not be applauded.
If you cannot get up for the Frankfurt game then i find that similarly weird. Fans seem less and less able to live in the moment and want to temper any victory with "yes but we're 14th" "yes but we're never going to win the away leg" "yes but Levy blah blah blah".
I cannot wait for the Europa game and gutted i couldn't get to it with my boys. When we get knocked out i will be miserable and the season will be over emotionally. Once the emotion goes then football is just blokes running and kicking a ball. Not sure why some feel
the emotion has gone when we have glory to play for.
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I have no problem with the commercial uses for the stadium.....makes total sense and Im looking forward to the Frankfurt game. My point being we are 2 bad games away from our season being over and sitting in 14th place in the league having been woeful since Nov 2023. Is that a fair return for all the financial acumen you highlighted ?
posted on 2/4/25
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 8 minutes ago
Having lost our only world class player, a real risk of no European football next season, some of the highest prices in the country and risk adverse ownership, there's not much to get excited about ! Can understand why some long term supporters are losing interest. I guess that's why the club appears focused on tourists and corporates. One off concert, fight, PL game of football.... Perfect for a one of weekend in London !!
It feels like its all about the singular event rather than the older school/ "football first" view of looking at the season as a whole.
We're supposed to get excited about the prospect of the Frankfurt game & dream of winning a trophy (which we're no good at) and making the CL when the last 18 months have been desperate
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Firstly, look at our commercial revenues. They are £100m more than 5 years ago. That pays for an awful lot more, so to be critical of the club looking to diversity and maximise revenues i find a bit weird.
I can appreciate that how loyal fans are treated has not been good and that has caused disharmony, but I see that as a very different issue from maximising the stadium use. We spent £1bn on this thing and we make more money and a better use of it than any other club does from theirs. Should be applauded. I think the success of the stadium should be better used to 'subsidise' the loyal fans and youth a bit, but the same hard commercial approach is taken to all aspects, which should not be applauded.
If you cannot get up for the Frankfurt game then i find that similarly weird. Fans seem less and less able to live in the moment and want to temper any victory with "yes but we're 14th" "yes but we're never going to win the away leg" "yes but Levy blah blah blah".
I cannot wait for the Europa game and gutted i couldn't get to it with my boys. When we get knocked out i will be miserable and the season will be over emotionally. Once the emotion goes then football is just blokes running and kicking a ball. Not sure why some feel
the emotion has gone when we have glory to play for.
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That £100m is okay, but compared to TV money it just isn’t a game changer, especially when you factor inflation over that 5 year period.
It’s not nothing, but it’s not the magic bullet Levy tried to sell us either.
As for Frankfurt - we can dream, but this manager is useless, it’s a faaacking pipe dream
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I’d wager if you compared that commercial revenue increase to every other club across that five year period that it would be among the biggest increases in football.
posted on 2/4/25
Levy out.
posted on 2/4/25
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 8 minutes ago
Having lost our only world class player, a real risk of no European football next season, some of the highest prices in the country and risk adverse ownership, there's not much to get excited about ! Can understand why some long term supporters are losing interest. I guess that's why the club appears focused on tourists and corporates. One off concert, fight, PL game of football.... Perfect for a one of weekend in London !!
It feels like its all about the singular event rather than the older school/ "football first" view of looking at the season as a whole.
We're supposed to get excited about the prospect of the Frankfurt game & dream of winning a trophy (which we're no good at) and making the CL when the last 18 months have been desperate
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Firstly, look at our commercial revenues. They are £100m more than 5 years ago. That pays for an awful lot more, so to be critical of the club looking to diversity and maximise revenues i find a bit weird.
I can appreciate that how loyal fans are treated has not been good and that has caused disharmony, but I see that as a very different issue from maximising the stadium use. We spent £1bn on this thing and we make more money and a better use of it than any other club does from theirs. Should be applauded. I think the success of the stadium should be better used to 'subsidise' the loyal fans and youth a bit, but the same hard commercial approach is taken to all aspects, which should not be applauded.
If you cannot get up for the Frankfurt game then i find that similarly weird. Fans seem less and less able to live in the moment and want to temper any victory with "yes but we're 14th" "yes but we're never going to win the away leg" "yes but Levy blah blah blah".
I cannot wait for the Europa game and gutted i couldn't get to it with my boys. When we get knocked out i will be miserable and the season will be over emotionally. Once the emotion goes then football is just blokes running and kicking a ball. Not sure why some feel
the emotion has gone when we have glory to play for.
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That £100m is okay, but compared to TV money it just isn’t a game changer, especially when you factor inflation over that 5 year period.
It’s not nothing, but it’s not the magic bullet Levy tried to sell us either.
As for Frankfurt - we can dream, but this manager is useless, it’s a faaacking pipe dream
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I’d wager if you compared that commercial revenue increase to every other club across that five year period that it would be among the biggest increases in football.
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Yeah but what you and Devon are not grasping is what does £100m buy you these days in football? By the time you factor in transfer fees, agent fees and wages - it’s not a hugely significant advantage. It’s Brennan Johnson and Kinsky plus a small amount of change
posted on 2/4/25
Or Cole Palmer and Michael Olise with £10m to spare. The issue is that your recruitment has been poor, not that these huge increases in revenue aren’t significant.
posted on 2/4/25
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 25 minutes ago
He's a bit kinky isn't he old Levy, a bit of a masochist, gets a bin lorry full of abuse wherever he goes and still seems to be loving life.
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There’s a thread on the fighting coooock website currently called: would you dip your cooock in Levy’s pint if he wasn’t looking
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If i was in the same room as Levy I would probably have a hard-on so might be a tough one to achieve
posted on 2/4/25
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 8 minutes ago
Or Cole Palmer and Michael Olise with £10m to spare. The issue is that your recruitment has been poor, not that these huge increases in revenue aren’t significant.
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Depends what period you are looking at.
Right now i wouldn't say our recruitment has been poor. Not since Paratici got involved. We are 2 or 3 short of being very strong, but that 2 or 3 need to be oven ready. Not more prospects.
posted on 2/4/25
The last five years. One of the biggest spenders in football and haven’t signed any top players.
posted on 2/4/25
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 8 minutes ago
Having lost our only world class player, a real risk of no European football next season, some of the highest prices in the country and risk adverse ownership, there's not much to get excited about ! Can understand why some long term supporters are losing interest. I guess that's why the club appears focused on tourists and corporates. One off concert, fight, PL game of football.... Perfect for a one of weekend in London !!
It feels like its all about the singular event rather than the older school/ "football first" view of looking at the season as a whole.
We're supposed to get excited about the prospect of the Frankfurt game & dream of winning a trophy (which we're no good at) and making the CL when the last 18 months have been desperate
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Firstly, look at our commercial revenues. They are £100m more than 5 years ago. That pays for an awful lot more, so to be critical of the club looking to diversity and maximise revenues i find a bit weird.
I can appreciate that how loyal fans are treated has not been good and that has caused disharmony, but I see that as a very different issue from maximising the stadium use. We spent £1bn on this thing and we make more money and a better use of it than any other club does from theirs. Should be applauded. I think the success of the stadium should be better used to 'subsidise' the loyal fans and youth a bit, but the same hard commercial approach is taken to all aspects, which should not be applauded.
If you cannot get up for the Frankfurt game then i find that similarly weird. Fans seem less and less able to live in the moment and want to temper any victory with "yes but we're 14th" "yes but we're never going to win the away leg" "yes but Levy blah blah blah".
I cannot wait for the Europa game and gutted i couldn't get to it with my boys. When we get knocked out i will be miserable and the season will be over emotionally. Once the emotion goes then football is just blokes running and kicking a ball. Not sure why some feel
the emotion has gone when we have glory to play for.
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That £100m is okay, but compared to TV money it just isn’t a game changer, especially when you factor inflation over that 5 year period.
It’s not nothing, but it’s not the magic bullet Levy tried to sell us either.
As for Frankfurt - we can dream, but this manager is useless, it’s a faaacking pipe dream
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I’d wager if you compared that commercial revenue increase to every other club across that five year period that it would be among the biggest increases in football.
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Yeah but what you and Devon are not grasping is what does £100m buy you these days in football? By the time you factor in transfer fees, agent fees and wages - it’s not a hugely significant advantage. It’s Brennan Johnson and Kinsky plus a small amount of change
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SO you'd rather we shut the doors on the stadium mid week, opened it every other weekend for games and did away with £100m (about 20%) of our revenues. We'd have to cut our costs by the same - that's wages and transfers!
Well at least our wage to revenue would be much higher which would keep you happy but the hits to our spending power would see you moan about something else.
posted on 2/4/25
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
The last five years. One of the biggest spenders in football and haven’t signed any top players.
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How did being the biggest spender and buying lots of top players go for United?
posted on 2/4/25
Same as Spurs: badly. Difference is we acknowledge it.
posted on 2/4/25
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 16 minutes ago
Same as Spurs: badly. Difference is we acknowledge it.
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It's the same but different tho init. Our strategy has got us a bunch of promising young players who on the whole are still to come good. Similar result for this season, obviously, but we're not lumbered with the expensive deadwood you guys have collected in recent years
posted on 2/4/25
It wasn’t a like for like comparison, it was just pointing out both clubs have spent vast sums of money badly. I’d say the same about Chelsea, even if their strategy is different.
posted on 2/4/25
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 18 minutes ago
Same as Spurs: badly. Difference is we acknowledge it.
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Don't think we're in the same boat as United, in terms of signings and squad.
United have spent massive money on what they think are top players and it's been a mess.
We havent shown enough ambition but are not saddled with a squad bloated with expensive duds.
With the right man at the helm and a bit more ambition, the bulk of this Spurs squad can do well.
posted on 2/4/25
But that’s not really relevant to the original question about signing top players. Spurs wouldn’t be in the mess they’ve been in it their recruitment was good, I’m not sure how anyone can even dispute that.
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