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Spurs wouldn’t be in the mess they’ve been in it their recruitment was good, I’m not sure how anyone can even dispute that.
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Well obviously if we had better players we'd be better. But I think it's a distinction worth making. There's a difference between just straight up poor recruitment - signing players that flop (and worse when they cost a lot) vs a strategy that doesn't deliver success in short term but actually you've signed a bunch of good players.
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
But that’s not really relevant to the original question about signing top players. Spurs wouldn’t be in the mess they’ve been in it their recruitment was good, I’m not sure how anyone can even dispute that.
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You're judging this mess to be as a result of the players.
I think most Spurs fans see the manager as the biggest factor in the mess that is this season. Time will tell but most feel this squad is capable of way more that we've seen this season.
Im not disputing our recruitment could have been better and a couple of top players are needed, but that does not make the rest of the squad rubbish or a waste of money, and we have a number of top players within that who if were put up for sale would have many big clubs interested.
Like, we're in a position now where we don't really need to turnover many at all. Move Davies on, shift a midfielder, find a forward (or Tel comes good) and we're solid. Mostly it needs time.. and probably a new manager
comment by Bãleș left boot (U22081)
posted 6 minutes ago
Spurs wouldn’t be in the mess they’ve been in it their recruitment was good, I’m not sure how anyone can even dispute that.
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Well obviously if we had better players we'd be better. But I think it's a distinction worth making. There's a difference between just straight up poor recruitment - signing players that flop (and worse when they cost a lot) vs a strategy that doesn't deliver success in short term but actually you've signed a bunch of good players.
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You did the former in this period, though. Remains to be seen if you’ve done the latter given how poorly they are all performing.
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comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
But that’s not really relevant to the original question about signing top players. Spurs wouldn’t be in the mess they’ve been in it their recruitment was good, I’m not sure how anyone can even dispute that.
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You're judging this mess to be as a result of the players.
I think most Spurs fans see the manager as the biggest factor in the mess that is this season. Time will tell but most feel this squad is capable of way more that we've seen this season.
Im not disputing our recruitment could have been better and a couple of top players are needed, but that does not make the rest of the squad rubbish or a waste of money, and we have a number of top players within that who if were put up for sale would have many big clubs interested.
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It’s largely because the players aren’t very good, yes. It’s been the issue for years and your fans keep blaming the managers for everything.
Yeah but clearly if they're all performing badly it's on the manager. In terms of big money flops I guess you'd make a case for Johnson, though he's still 22 and Solanke, who's been underwhelming yeah but not one we'd have to shift or anything. And for the money we weren't buying better
If individuals do badly it's the player if they're all doing badly it's on the manager
comment by Bãleș left boot (U22081)
posted 55 seconds ago
Like, we're in a position now where we don't really need to turnover many at all. Move Davies on, shift a midfielder, find a forward (or Tel comes good) and we're solid. Mostly it needs time.. and probably a new manager
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Indeed.
Richarlison & Bissouma from the current squad
Gil and Veliz out on loan, are surplus.
Solomon we could keep as he's done very well but are likley to cash-in.
Its not major surgery needed, its a nip and a tuck
FWIW I'd like the strategy to change this summer. A couple of established players who will make an instant impact. Hard to do when you're not in the CL and/or paying wages over the odds.
comment by Bãleș left boot (U22081)
posted 1 minute ago
Yeah but clearly if they're all performing badly it's on the manager. In terms of big money flops I guess you'd make a case for Johnson, though he's still 22 and Solanke, who's been underwhelming yeah but not one we'd have to shift or anything. And for the money we weren't buying better
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See I don’t agree with that. If the players you sign aren’t very good they won’t perform very well. Not everything is to do with the manager.
Fans tend to massively overrate their own players and the impact of coaches, in my opinion.
You’ve also forgotten that Richarlison is one of the worst signings in prem history.
Recruitment is key to everything.
CL money is utterly ridiculous now. Arsenal got just above 100m euros for getting to the quarters this year, 80m ish last year. How much did spurs sell kane for?
You need good players to get you there.
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 5 minutes ago
You’ve also forgotten that Richarlison is one of the worst signings in prem history.
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Na he cost about the same as Jesus. Obviously with the injuries he's been a bust but nowhere near even Ndombele. Let alone an Anthony
One of the worst. He is one of your most expensive players ever, one of your highest earners and barely plays or scores.
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Bãleș left boot (U22081)
posted 1 minute ago
Yeah but clearly if they're all performing badly it's on the manager. In terms of big money flops I guess you'd make a case for Johnson, though he's still 22 and Solanke, who's been underwhelming yeah but not one we'd have to shift or anything. And for the money we weren't buying better
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See I don’t agree with that. If the players you sign aren’t very good they won’t perform very well. Not everything is to do with the manager.
Fans tend to massively overrate their own players and the impact of coaches, in my opinion.
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It's not all on the manager, that's not what I'm saying. Let's say a manager can improve performances by 10% across the board. Margins are that tight in the PL if you don't show up or are badly set up you're going to get beat.
It's not one or the other - making out like we're so bad because we signed Richarlison or overpaid for Johnson is a nonsense
5th last season then we signed a bunch of kids. Not bad players but not what you needed to improve immediately. Then we had a ton of injuries. Then Ange seems to have gotten worse. That's why we're chit this season.
But there’s a floor and ceiling to what a team can do based on squad of players. Spurs’ has been significantly lowered over the last five years. It’s not just because of those two signings, it’s also because of the other 20 in that time that haven’t been very good either. Spurs were comfortably, consistently ahead of every other team in the league, aside from about four or five teams, for years because they had much better recruitment than everyone else. Now they don’t they’ve been dragged into the back with improving midtable teams, or even overtaken.
That's all fine but you look at the average age of teams we've put out this season. It's a gross oversimplification to say they're all poor players. There's a few poor ones in there for sure, but where we're lacking in a few key areas rather than needing a new squad. A couple of established reliable top performers, a manager that stops us losing silly games, and a bit of time for the youth to come good is what we need.
Thing is a lot of fans, and especially rival fans, are quick to make snap judgements without looking at what's actually going on
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
But that’s not really relevant to the original question about signing top players. Spurs wouldn’t be in the mess they’ve been in it their recruitment was good, I’m not sure how anyone can even dispute that.
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You're judging this mess to be as a result of the players.
I think most Spurs fans see the manager as the biggest factor in the mess that is this season. Time will tell but most feel this squad is capable of way more that we've seen this season.
Im not disputing our recruitment could have been better and a couple of top players are needed, but that does not make the rest of the squad rubbish or a waste of money, and we have a number of top players within that who if were put up for sale would have many big clubs interested.
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It’s largely because the players aren’t very good, yes. It’s been the issue for years and your fans keep blaming the managers for everything.
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Keep up! Levy gets blamed for everything!
And it's not true that the manager always gets the blame. Most fans agree with Conte in terms of the ambition shown. He inherited a squad which was part Poch's aging group, part average cheap signings from covid, and part decent talent. It needed serious work and while some of the signings at the time were 'top players' Romero, Deki, Bentancur, there werent enough for Conte who was rather inpatient.
I’ve not said they’re all poor players, I’m saying most of them aren’t very good. I understand many are young, but then people tend to excuse the levels of performance based on what they could end up being rather than what they currently are - it’s a common theme among football fans - and is deflecting from where Spurs are currently and how they got there, in favour of where they could be based on unrealised potential.
And this conversation has all stemmed from Strike suggesting that £100m in increased revenues isn’t significant because you’ve spent in on Solanke and Jonhson. It doesn’t really matter where Spurs may be in the future when we’re talking about the cumulative amount spent poorly over this period.
Well you said the 20 others.. so yeah the implication is they're pretty well all not good. Having one of the youngest teams in the league consistently isn't some excuse for inconsistent performances, it's a decent reason. We're obviously not happy with the performances overall this season and that's why we want the manager to go. But it's not like we've got a ton of players on circa 200k a week not showing up. No one in their right mind is calling for 20 year olds to get out of our club
And this conversation has all stemmed from Strike suggesting that £100m in increased revenues isn’t significant
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Well yeah that's just wrong. £100m each year is massive in terms of transfer fees but also wages. Which I'd put as a big reason strategy wise that we're not performing. Kids don't get big money. A Perisic equivalent, a Rashford instead of Werner, a Casemiro who's not finished.. we'd be a lot better off
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posted on 2/4/25
https://x.com/levynomics1882/status/1907169247014306162?t=KuVuX_HsBSqj4_7li8GLag&s=19
Another POV
posted on 2/4/25
Spurs wouldn’t be in the mess they’ve been in it their recruitment was good, I’m not sure how anyone can even dispute that.
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Well obviously if we had better players we'd be better. But I think it's a distinction worth making. There's a difference between just straight up poor recruitment - signing players that flop (and worse when they cost a lot) vs a strategy that doesn't deliver success in short term but actually you've signed a bunch of good players.
posted on 2/4/25
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
But that’s not really relevant to the original question about signing top players. Spurs wouldn’t be in the mess they’ve been in it their recruitment was good, I’m not sure how anyone can even dispute that.
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You're judging this mess to be as a result of the players.
I think most Spurs fans see the manager as the biggest factor in the mess that is this season. Time will tell but most feel this squad is capable of way more that we've seen this season.
Im not disputing our recruitment could have been better and a couple of top players are needed, but that does not make the rest of the squad rubbish or a waste of money, and we have a number of top players within that who if were put up for sale would have many big clubs interested.
posted on 2/4/25
Like, we're in a position now where we don't really need to turnover many at all. Move Davies on, shift a midfielder, find a forward (or Tel comes good) and we're solid. Mostly it needs time.. and probably a new manager
posted on 2/4/25
comment by Bãleș left boot (U22081)
posted 6 minutes ago
Spurs wouldn’t be in the mess they’ve been in it their recruitment was good, I’m not sure how anyone can even dispute that.
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Well obviously if we had better players we'd be better. But I think it's a distinction worth making. There's a difference between just straight up poor recruitment - signing players that flop (and worse when they cost a lot) vs a strategy that doesn't deliver success in short term but actually you've signed a bunch of good players.
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You did the former in this period, though. Remains to be seen if you’ve done the latter given how poorly they are all performing.
posted on 2/4/25
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
But that’s not really relevant to the original question about signing top players. Spurs wouldn’t be in the mess they’ve been in it their recruitment was good, I’m not sure how anyone can even dispute that.
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You're judging this mess to be as a result of the players.
I think most Spurs fans see the manager as the biggest factor in the mess that is this season. Time will tell but most feel this squad is capable of way more that we've seen this season.
Im not disputing our recruitment could have been better and a couple of top players are needed, but that does not make the rest of the squad rubbish or a waste of money, and we have a number of top players within that who if were put up for sale would have many big clubs interested.
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It’s largely because the players aren’t very good, yes. It’s been the issue for years and your fans keep blaming the managers for everything.
posted on 2/4/25
Yeah but clearly if they're all performing badly it's on the manager. In terms of big money flops I guess you'd make a case for Johnson, though he's still 22 and Solanke, who's been underwhelming yeah but not one we'd have to shift or anything. And for the money we weren't buying better
posted on 2/4/25
If individuals do badly it's the player if they're all doing badly it's on the manager
posted on 2/4/25
comment by Bãleș left boot (U22081)
posted 55 seconds ago
Like, we're in a position now where we don't really need to turnover many at all. Move Davies on, shift a midfielder, find a forward (or Tel comes good) and we're solid. Mostly it needs time.. and probably a new manager
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Indeed.
Richarlison & Bissouma from the current squad
Gil and Veliz out on loan, are surplus.
Solomon we could keep as he's done very well but are likley to cash-in.
Its not major surgery needed, its a nip and a tuck
posted on 2/4/25
FWIW I'd like the strategy to change this summer. A couple of established players who will make an instant impact. Hard to do when you're not in the CL and/or paying wages over the odds.
posted on 2/4/25
comment by Bãleș left boot (U22081)
posted 1 minute ago
Yeah but clearly if they're all performing badly it's on the manager. In terms of big money flops I guess you'd make a case for Johnson, though he's still 22 and Solanke, who's been underwhelming yeah but not one we'd have to shift or anything. And for the money we weren't buying better
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See I don’t agree with that. If the players you sign aren’t very good they won’t perform very well. Not everything is to do with the manager.
Fans tend to massively overrate their own players and the impact of coaches, in my opinion.
posted on 2/4/25
You’ve also forgotten that Richarlison is one of the worst signings in prem history.
posted on 2/4/25
Recruitment is key to everything.
CL money is utterly ridiculous now. Arsenal got just above 100m euros for getting to the quarters this year, 80m ish last year. How much did spurs sell kane for?
You need good players to get you there.
posted on 2/4/25
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 5 minutes ago
You’ve also forgotten that Richarlison is one of the worst signings in prem history.
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Na he cost about the same as Jesus. Obviously with the injuries he's been a bust but nowhere near even Ndombele. Let alone an Anthony
posted on 2/4/25
One of the worst. He is one of your most expensive players ever, one of your highest earners and barely plays or scores.
posted on 2/4/25
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Bãleș left boot (U22081)
posted 1 minute ago
Yeah but clearly if they're all performing badly it's on the manager. In terms of big money flops I guess you'd make a case for Johnson, though he's still 22 and Solanke, who's been underwhelming yeah but not one we'd have to shift or anything. And for the money we weren't buying better
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See I don’t agree with that. If the players you sign aren’t very good they won’t perform very well. Not everything is to do with the manager.
Fans tend to massively overrate their own players and the impact of coaches, in my opinion.
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It's not all on the manager, that's not what I'm saying. Let's say a manager can improve performances by 10% across the board. Margins are that tight in the PL if you don't show up or are badly set up you're going to get beat.
It's not one or the other - making out like we're so bad because we signed Richarlison or overpaid for Johnson is a nonsense
posted on 2/4/25
5th last season then we signed a bunch of kids. Not bad players but not what you needed to improve immediately. Then we had a ton of injuries. Then Ange seems to have gotten worse. That's why we're chit this season.
posted on 2/4/25
But there’s a floor and ceiling to what a team can do based on squad of players. Spurs’ has been significantly lowered over the last five years. It’s not just because of those two signings, it’s also because of the other 20 in that time that haven’t been very good either. Spurs were comfortably, consistently ahead of every other team in the league, aside from about four or five teams, for years because they had much better recruitment than everyone else. Now they don’t they’ve been dragged into the back with improving midtable teams, or even overtaken.
posted on 2/4/25
*pack
posted on 2/4/25
That's all fine but you look at the average age of teams we've put out this season. It's a gross oversimplification to say they're all poor players. There's a few poor ones in there for sure, but where we're lacking in a few key areas rather than needing a new squad. A couple of established reliable top performers, a manager that stops us losing silly games, and a bit of time for the youth to come good is what we need.
Thing is a lot of fans, and especially rival fans, are quick to make snap judgements without looking at what's actually going on
posted on 2/4/25
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
But that’s not really relevant to the original question about signing top players. Spurs wouldn’t be in the mess they’ve been in it their recruitment was good, I’m not sure how anyone can even dispute that.
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You're judging this mess to be as a result of the players.
I think most Spurs fans see the manager as the biggest factor in the mess that is this season. Time will tell but most feel this squad is capable of way more that we've seen this season.
Im not disputing our recruitment could have been better and a couple of top players are needed, but that does not make the rest of the squad rubbish or a waste of money, and we have a number of top players within that who if were put up for sale would have many big clubs interested.
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It’s largely because the players aren’t very good, yes. It’s been the issue for years and your fans keep blaming the managers for everything.
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Keep up! Levy gets blamed for everything!
And it's not true that the manager always gets the blame. Most fans agree with Conte in terms of the ambition shown. He inherited a squad which was part Poch's aging group, part average cheap signings from covid, and part decent talent. It needed serious work and while some of the signings at the time were 'top players' Romero, Deki, Bentancur, there werent enough for Conte who was rather inpatient.
posted on 2/4/25
I’ve not said they’re all poor players, I’m saying most of them aren’t very good. I understand many are young, but then people tend to excuse the levels of performance based on what they could end up being rather than what they currently are - it’s a common theme among football fans - and is deflecting from where Spurs are currently and how they got there, in favour of where they could be based on unrealised potential.
posted on 2/4/25
And this conversation has all stemmed from Strike suggesting that £100m in increased revenues isn’t significant because you’ve spent in on Solanke and Jonhson. It doesn’t really matter where Spurs may be in the future when we’re talking about the cumulative amount spent poorly over this period.
posted on 2/4/25
Well you said the 20 others.. so yeah the implication is they're pretty well all not good. Having one of the youngest teams in the league consistently isn't some excuse for inconsistent performances, it's a decent reason. We're obviously not happy with the performances overall this season and that's why we want the manager to go. But it's not like we've got a ton of players on circa 200k a week not showing up. No one in their right mind is calling for 20 year olds to get out of our club
posted on 2/4/25
And this conversation has all stemmed from Strike suggesting that £100m in increased revenues isn’t significant
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Well yeah that's just wrong. £100m each year is massive in terms of transfer fees but also wages. Which I'd put as a big reason strategy wise that we're not performing. Kids don't get big money. A Perisic equivalent, a Rashford instead of Werner, a Casemiro who's not finished.. we'd be a lot better off
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