“They have destroyed everything good about this club, everything that we were is gone now”
You can’t put it anymore succinctly than that
The careful for what you wish for argument doesn’t hold water anymore
comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted 5 hours, 25 minutes ago
I mean what’s to say 98. It really is as bad as it gets right now because the players have stopped fighting. I can almost accept everything else but that is just depressing.
Believe it or not, I was willing to give RvN next season to see if he could get us back up a mo th or two back but right now the poison flowing through the club seems to be so toxic he needs to go.
There’s talk of Rudkin going in the summer and links to Rosenior so there might be significant change that’s needed to try and get us back in some sort of shape. But if we don’t see that I’m confident we’ll continue so long like a stone.
It’s awful and painful to watch and like many other fans I’ve stopped even caring. Don’t even know who we’re playing next. The club need to act. I still support the ownership and want them to make big changes in the summer. RvN said that Enzo had said they’re the best people to work for in the game and they care. I still believe that but they also need to act with conviction and make the changes needed to fix this.
It’s so bad. I’ve never seen a team with so little fight ever. What the hell is that?
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The thing is, Mersey, you do care. I care, you care, we all care but, perhaps, not at this particular moment in time because our destiny is out of our hands.
I maintained a ‘listening watch’ on this column last night whilst tuned into a commentary on a national radio station and the vibes being sent out from the commentary team watching the match were, in the main, simply negative. I saw Chris Sutton forecast a 5-0 defeat ahead of the game. By the sounds of things, given the opportunities Manchester City had to score, he should have been spot on. The fallout on Foxestalk must be horrendous today. The BBC gave Luke Thomas the highest points score for his performance last night. Everyone else was in the 2. whatever bracket I think. How dreadful is that?
Like everyone else, I just want to see out this disastrous season, right now if I had the power to do so.
comment by 98 Problems (and promotion ain’t one) (U12353)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
“If you are wondering why I'm not in the full on 'KP/Top out' camp I'm still wary about changing owners - be very careful what you wish for”
I was making the same argument in 2023 about sticking with our current owners and continually backing them to get it right
Be careful what you wish for - because in wishing and hoping that Top is going to become a competent owner - you’re going to be very disappointed while you watch this club plummet lows you didn’t think was possible 5 years ago.
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If you look back on my posts you will see me being pilloried for daring to say 'get to 40 points' when we were flying high, so I have been well aware that we could fall from the summit.
I'd be more ready to contemplate a change in ownership if you can guarantee the prospective owners will be as generous and have the club's interests in mind as much as KP have.
Foxello - I don't disagree with much of what you say, but to compare the 2007/8 situation to where we are now is like comparing apples to oranges. Despite the current mess and ineptitude we're still in a far better position than we were 17 years ago - we'll get relegated with a squad of players who ought to make a decent showing next season. Of course if the mistakes keep on happening things will likely deteriorate further - eg retaining Rudkin, keeping RVN as manager etc. I'm quite hopeful we'll have a reasonable season - we'll see.
The standout game for me from 2007/8 was the 0-0 draw with Bristol at home, we absolutely battered them and Huuuuume missed an absolute sitter - two more points there and we''d have stayed up.
I'm not insane so don't claim Cooper was the second coming, but he was brought in to do a job, and was achieving it when he was sacked. If Top had stuck with him who knows where we'd be now?
comment by Foxello - "a miserable Rodgers obsessed weirdo" (U6985)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
Also, reason #1047 why this season sucks:
We supposedly have one of the best academies in the country, and have some bright young players coming through. Yet despite how bad we are, none of them are breaking the first team. Cooper was suppose to be someone who was 'good at bringing through young players' yet didn't bother, and in Van Nistelrooy we seem to have the only Dutchman who doesn't believe in giving young players a chance, so we persist with Jordan bloody Ayew, Skipp, Faes, Reid and the rest of this bloody bunch of degenerates.
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I don't disagree with much of what you say here, I'd like to see Monga on the pitch before he departs for his golden future.
Nuneaton, I don't want to bother getting into the minutiae of why this season is worse than that one. But I do think it's all relative to the position and circumstances you face at the time. For example, if we went solely off our position in the football structure, then technically speaking the League One title season was the 'worst in our history' because that was statistically our lowest league position in the football pyramid. But you'd have to be completely delusion to think that.
In 2008, we had been in a steady decline since 2000, had loads of financial difficulties going back to administration and, at the time when we finally got an ambitious owner, just made a series of bad decisions. This time, our decline has been much sharper and almost entirely self-induced (with a helping hand from FFP/EFL). We have gone from a position where we were the best non-big-6 club in the country to a second relegation in three years. Last season was suppose to be the reset, but it's just led to an even worse season and an even steeper decline, because the club has done nothing to try and stay up.
"The standout game for me from 2007/8 was the 0-0 draw with Bristol at home, we absolutely battered them and Huuuuume missed an absolute sitter - two more points there and we''d have stayed up."
I remember that game well. We should have won 3 or 4 nil against a club in the play off places. Dickson Etuhu missed an absolute sitter as well. When have we ever this season showed that same level of effort or desire? None of our wins have been deserved and have been more due to our opponents having off days rather than anything we did well. It's another reason why this is the worst season in our history, for me at least.
As for next season - I don't share your ambition. Maybe I'm wrong and we'll be pushing for promotion again. Say we do go up - what then? I don't see how we improve our current situation under these owners. We'll just come up with a squad not good enough to stay up, sign a bunch of players that don't improve us, embarrass ourselves and then we are back to square one again, each time going around in circles with ever-reducing returns. Being content to become a yo-yo club again is a complete betrayal of Vichai's legacy.
I think Bristol were top at the time.
I agree with much of what you say, I just think that the best opportunity to get back to the promised land is to stick with KP, rather than roll the dice with a new set of unknown owners, who could just as easily turn out to be asset strippers as an improvement.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying this has been an enjoyable season by any stretch of the imagination. I suspect that those who have been supporting for longer can remember poor seasons, but this has to rank with the worst for sure. What I find particularly depressing is that the supporters in the stadium have given up. I suppose I can't get too aeriated because I spent last season not getting too excited because I suspected we would struggle this year and Rudders was still firmly in place. What gives me a bit more hope at the moment is the indication that he might just be on his way. We'll see.
comment by Nuneaton_fox (U7936)
posted about 10 hours ago
comment by 98 Problems (and promotion ain’t one) (U12353)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
“If you are wondering why I'm not in the full on 'KP/Top out' camp I'm still wary about changing owners - be very careful what you wish for”
I was making the same argument in 2023 about sticking with our current owners and continually backing them to get it right
Be careful what you wish for - because in wishing and hoping that Top is going to become a competent owner - you’re going to be very disappointed while you watch this club plummet lows you didn’t think was possible 5 years ago.
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If you look back on my posts you will see me being pilloried for daring to say 'get to 40 points' when we were flying high, so I have been well aware that we could fall from the summit.
I'd be more ready to contemplate a change in ownership if you can guarantee the prospective owners will be as generous and have the club's interests in mind as much as KP have.
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Since when does having the clubs interests at heart have anything to do with competence? You’re basically sitting there saying you’re backing Top and the KP while they are literally driving the club off the edge of the cliff because they’re a generous bunch whose heart is in the right place
I’m beginning to think you and Mersey might actually be the same poster
No one can guarantee anything about change, but if you haven’t seen enough evidence that this ownership is destroying this football club by now then there’s nothing I I can say that will change your mind.
Hey, you leave off my alter ego 98!!
I think we all know we’re in a big mess right now but I think k everyone is presenting different solutions to fix it. What we all know is that to fix it we need change. The question is what change and where.
Now
Historically a new owner could come in and throw money at change and that would fix some things even if others were wrong. See the Eriksson era for how money can help but not resolve. See Man Utd for further proof, one of the highest spending clubs of the last decade!!!
So what’s needed is change and leadership. We need our next Pearson moment. How do we get it? For me the owners (Top and KP) have limited ability to do much anymore due to FFP so their main job is to simply appoint the right leaders. The question we’re all then asking is can they?
For me if we replace RvN in the summer (I think we have to now) and Rudkin (I think it’s finally coming) that’s all the owners can do.
It’s then a case of trusting the leaders to lead. Unlike now which is one of the most horrible periods of supporting the club I’ve ever had.
I think you’ve hit the nail on the head here Mersey (for the first time in 3 years 😂) - it’s about leadership. That’s what I want to see - that leadership shoud come from the Chairman.
The question everything comes back to is this - from all the evidence of the last 3 years, do we believe this chairman is capable of implementing the real leadership this club desperately needs? Does he have the leadership skills himself to steer this club into some sort of direction?
Because if he just doesn’t have it in the locker, then any changes he makes this summer risks further damage.
Consider for a moment that he personally stepped in to make the disastrous RVN appointment. That, according to John Percy was Tops decision alone.
Consider also that he personally decided to keep Rudkin after our abysmal relegation season when it was obvious that he was clearly responsible for mismanaging £120m of player contracts and also allowed Rodgers to wield unprecedented influence
The reason i believe we need new owners - is nothing to do with fixing anything in the short term. It’s to re-establish this club with a new leadership. A chairman who is not just ambitious, but who is competent.
I am at the point of firmly believing that no long term good will come from any changes implementing by a broken ownership
RvN has clearly been an unmitigated disaster 98 and Top has to take responsibility for that doesn’t he.
98, I can reassure you that I am not Mersey in disguise
You are willing to roll the dice with new ownership in the hope that we will somehow end up with a competent chairman; in turn risking us getting someone in who may be even worse than Top has proved to be, and in addition could turn out to be a charlatan without the club's best interests at heart and/or an asset stripper. To me that is not a risk worth taking whilst there is a glimmer of hope down the KP tunnel - which there is now with the potential for changes at DoF level.
At the very least, if you are still completely intent on change in ownership, and utterly convinced that the management/Top/KP are useless, ask yourself one question - in selecting new owners, who would be in charge of the process including due diligence of their suitability? Would that give you any comfort that the right choice would be made?
Oh I’m absolutely willing to roll the dice Nuneaton, because from a footballing perspective, I don’t think the Venkys could have engineered such an incredible design. The King Power group may not be asset strippers but financially they’ve absolutely ruined us through their appalling mismanagement of club finances, transfer policy and wage expenditure
They’ve made sure that we are financially in the wilderness for years. So yeah - I’m willing to roll the dice, because I don’t think we can survive another 3 years of this - not if we want to stay in the top 2 divisions in any case
We are at the blackjack table with a 7 of hearts and a 5 of spades. You’re sitting there not wanting to take another card because we might go bust. I’m saying if we stick with that hand - we’ll win nothing. It’s so bad.
We are in a terrible mess - completely of this ownerships making. Top still cares. I don’t think he would sell us to an asset stripper. But unfortunately Nuneaton, you may be happy with your lot - the rest of us can’t settle for that
On what planet are you 98 if you think I am happy with the present situation? I just think that sticking with Top/KP is the least worst option for the time being.
How are you so confident that Top and the present management - who have proven to be utterly incompetent over the last few years (no argument there) - would make a sound choice of replacement owners?
comment by Nuneaton_fox (U7936)
posted about 9 hours ago
On what planet are you 98 if you think I am happy with the present situation? I just think that sticking with Top/KP is the least worst option for the time being.
How are you so confident that Top and the present management - who have proven to be utterly incompetent over the last few years (no argument there) - would make a sound choice of replacement owners?
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I didn’t mean you were necessarily happy with the situation - but happy with your lot, as in, it’s bad but I’ll take it because the other option could be worse
That line of thinking absolutely staggers me I’ll be honest. If 98% of football owners were asset stripping charlatans then I understand it - they’re not. You seem to be thinking that Ashley and Karl Oyston are the only alternatives we have
Also it’s not like there’s going to be a queue of bidders willing to buy the club so I’m not quite sure what selection process you are referring to. It’s much more likely that a consortium for eg shows an interest and what I’m saying is, because Top evidently still cares for the club, I don’t think he’s going to let it fall into the wrong hands - eg the likes of owners I’ve mentioned above.
By your logic, we’re stuck with these owners forever because you don’t trust them to find a better buyer for us. It’s absolutely bizarre thinking I’ll be honest.
We definitely wouldn't want to risk someone like Mike Ashley becoming owner. He took over a financially stable club that had been a Premier League top half regular, pushing for Champions League on a frequent basis, and turned them into a basket case that were relegated twice. Thank god we don't have that level of incompetence to worry about!
comment by Foxello - "a miserable Rodgers obsessed weirdo" (U6985)
posted 17 minutes ago
We definitely wouldn't want to risk someone like Mike Ashley becoming owner. He took over a financially stable club that had been a Premier League top half regular, pushing for Champions League on a frequent basis, and turned them into a basket case that were relegated twice. Thank god we don't have that level of incompetence to worry about!
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😂😂😂😂 Exactly!
Anyone know what happened to the stadium expansion? That just been scrapped entirely now? Be nice if our owners communicated about that wouldn’t it.
I know you’re all out for new owners Foxello and 98 but under PSR I’m not sure what a new owner could do other than play the rules constantly like Chelsea. For me we need to get more stable again and build back in a slow way with a manager that can lead a long term strategy.
I’m still happy to give KP the summer to see if they can get that right.
I think we can safely assume that the stadium expansion is done for. There's no need for a 40,000+ capacity when the current stadium will be a third empty next season and possibly before the end of this one. They should have done it before the training ground was built but got their priorities wrong. Now we have a massive white elephant at Seagrave that has done nothing to aid the development of the football club and is the epitome of the comfortable culture that has turned it into a luxury spa retreat rather than a place of work and development.
"I know you’re all out for new owners Foxello and 98 but under PSR I’m not sure what a new owner could do other than play the rules constantly like Chelsea."
It's not all about spending money. It's about competency and having a strategy. We use to have both and a very clear recruitment policy that underpinned the aims and ambitions of the club. That has been lost now. I don't want a change of ownership because we'll have tens of hundreds of millions to spend - I want change because it's a chance to properly reset and become both competent and ambitious again.
comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted about 3 hours ago
Anyone know what happened to the stadium expansion? That just been scrapped entirely now? Be nice if our owners communicated about that wouldn’t it.
I know you’re all out for new owners Foxello and 98 but under PSR I’m not sure what a new owner could do other than play the rules constantly like Chelsea. For me we need to get more stable again and build back in a slow way with a manager that can lead a long term strategy.
I’m still happy to give KP the summer to see if they can get that right.
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“For me we need to get more stable again and build back in a slow way with a manager that can lead a long term”
This is exactly why I want knee owners.
There is nothing to suggest Top and the King Power group can achieve this. Absolutely zero evidence in any of their decisions in the last 3 years. If they could show any signs of being able to do that I wouldn’t be calling for new owners
We all know Mersey that in 12 months time you’ll be giving them another 12 months so it’s a bit of a pointless debate
I understand why you want new owners 98, but you can’t understand why I don’t yet.
There is no right or wrong to this with risks both ways. But I personally don’t believe the club is being mismanaged badly. We had a long term strategy that we tore up for Rodgers and were suffering for getting it badly wrong. We’ve gone back to the formula that served us well but managerial appointments have let us down after Maresca. The owners got that one right (ish) though and it’s not easy. Look at Man U for an example of how new owners don’t bring success.
I understand that under new owners and a total reset of the club we could get back to a steady footing. I also think it’s a big risk if they don’t understand how football differs from business.
I think our owners get that and I like them. The fact that Maresca is quoted as saying “they’re the best owners in football” when asked by RvN tells you a lot for me.
“But I personally don’t believe the club is being mismanaged badly.”
Wow. Just where do you start with this? 😂😂😂😂
I actually just don’t know how to debate with you anymore Mersey. If you can’t see the gross mismanagement that is going on and has led to the first fan protest against Leicesters ownership I’ve ever witnessed, there’s nothing else to say
You’ve always given this ownership every benefit of the doubt at every opportunity and you always will. So let’s stop going around in circles. You think our owners are a great bunch, made one big mistake with Rodgers and that alongside FFP is the root cause of everything
There’s nothing left to discuss
And by the way - stop making things up 😂
There isn’t a quote where Maresca described Leicesters owners as “the best owners in football”. It just isn’t true
He said from his experience they are the best football people he has met. Considering he’s managed the grand sum of two football clubs (aside from his mini stint at Parma) that’s lovely of him to say, but it’s not saying a huge amount either.
Even if it was - so what? I’m sure they’re lovely people, doesn’t make them competent owners
I just hope you and Nuneaton get a chance to sit together for the league 1 season in 3 years time. You can then both discuss your mutual admiration of the ownership and what a cracking bunch of guys they all are
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posted on 3/4/25
“They have destroyed everything good about this club, everything that we were is gone now”
You can’t put it anymore succinctly than that
The careful for what you wish for argument doesn’t hold water anymore
posted on 3/4/25
comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted 5 hours, 25 minutes ago
I mean what’s to say 98. It really is as bad as it gets right now because the players have stopped fighting. I can almost accept everything else but that is just depressing.
Believe it or not, I was willing to give RvN next season to see if he could get us back up a mo th or two back but right now the poison flowing through the club seems to be so toxic he needs to go.
There’s talk of Rudkin going in the summer and links to Rosenior so there might be significant change that’s needed to try and get us back in some sort of shape. But if we don’t see that I’m confident we’ll continue so long like a stone.
It’s awful and painful to watch and like many other fans I’ve stopped even caring. Don’t even know who we’re playing next. The club need to act. I still support the ownership and want them to make big changes in the summer. RvN said that Enzo had said they’re the best people to work for in the game and they care. I still believe that but they also need to act with conviction and make the changes needed to fix this.
It’s so bad. I’ve never seen a team with so little fight ever. What the hell is that?
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The thing is, Mersey, you do care. I care, you care, we all care but, perhaps, not at this particular moment in time because our destiny is out of our hands.
I maintained a ‘listening watch’ on this column last night whilst tuned into a commentary on a national radio station and the vibes being sent out from the commentary team watching the match were, in the main, simply negative. I saw Chris Sutton forecast a 5-0 defeat ahead of the game. By the sounds of things, given the opportunities Manchester City had to score, he should have been spot on. The fallout on Foxestalk must be horrendous today. The BBC gave Luke Thomas the highest points score for his performance last night. Everyone else was in the 2. whatever bracket I think. How dreadful is that?
Like everyone else, I just want to see out this disastrous season, right now if I had the power to do so.
posted on 3/4/25
comment by 98 Problems (and promotion ain’t one) (U12353)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
“If you are wondering why I'm not in the full on 'KP/Top out' camp I'm still wary about changing owners - be very careful what you wish for”
I was making the same argument in 2023 about sticking with our current owners and continually backing them to get it right
Be careful what you wish for - because in wishing and hoping that Top is going to become a competent owner - you’re going to be very disappointed while you watch this club plummet lows you didn’t think was possible 5 years ago.
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If you look back on my posts you will see me being pilloried for daring to say 'get to 40 points' when we were flying high, so I have been well aware that we could fall from the summit.
I'd be more ready to contemplate a change in ownership if you can guarantee the prospective owners will be as generous and have the club's interests in mind as much as KP have.
posted on 3/4/25
Foxello - I don't disagree with much of what you say, but to compare the 2007/8 situation to where we are now is like comparing apples to oranges. Despite the current mess and ineptitude we're still in a far better position than we were 17 years ago - we'll get relegated with a squad of players who ought to make a decent showing next season. Of course if the mistakes keep on happening things will likely deteriorate further - eg retaining Rudkin, keeping RVN as manager etc. I'm quite hopeful we'll have a reasonable season - we'll see.
The standout game for me from 2007/8 was the 0-0 draw with Bristol at home, we absolutely battered them and Huuuuume missed an absolute sitter - two more points there and we''d have stayed up.
I'm not insane so don't claim Cooper was the second coming, but he was brought in to do a job, and was achieving it when he was sacked. If Top had stuck with him who knows where we'd be now?
posted on 3/4/25
comment by Foxello - "a miserable Rodgers obsessed weirdo" (U6985)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
Also, reason #1047 why this season sucks:
We supposedly have one of the best academies in the country, and have some bright young players coming through. Yet despite how bad we are, none of them are breaking the first team. Cooper was suppose to be someone who was 'good at bringing through young players' yet didn't bother, and in Van Nistelrooy we seem to have the only Dutchman who doesn't believe in giving young players a chance, so we persist with Jordan bloody Ayew, Skipp, Faes, Reid and the rest of this bloody bunch of degenerates.
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I don't disagree with much of what you say here, I'd like to see Monga on the pitch before he departs for his golden future.
posted on 3/4/25
Nuneaton, I don't want to bother getting into the minutiae of why this season is worse than that one. But I do think it's all relative to the position and circumstances you face at the time. For example, if we went solely off our position in the football structure, then technically speaking the League One title season was the 'worst in our history' because that was statistically our lowest league position in the football pyramid. But you'd have to be completely delusion to think that.
In 2008, we had been in a steady decline since 2000, had loads of financial difficulties going back to administration and, at the time when we finally got an ambitious owner, just made a series of bad decisions. This time, our decline has been much sharper and almost entirely self-induced (with a helping hand from FFP/EFL). We have gone from a position where we were the best non-big-6 club in the country to a second relegation in three years. Last season was suppose to be the reset, but it's just led to an even worse season and an even steeper decline, because the club has done nothing to try and stay up.
"The standout game for me from 2007/8 was the 0-0 draw with Bristol at home, we absolutely battered them and Huuuuume missed an absolute sitter - two more points there and we''d have stayed up."
I remember that game well. We should have won 3 or 4 nil against a club in the play off places. Dickson Etuhu missed an absolute sitter as well. When have we ever this season showed that same level of effort or desire? None of our wins have been deserved and have been more due to our opponents having off days rather than anything we did well. It's another reason why this is the worst season in our history, for me at least.
As for next season - I don't share your ambition. Maybe I'm wrong and we'll be pushing for promotion again. Say we do go up - what then? I don't see how we improve our current situation under these owners. We'll just come up with a squad not good enough to stay up, sign a bunch of players that don't improve us, embarrass ourselves and then we are back to square one again, each time going around in circles with ever-reducing returns. Being content to become a yo-yo club again is a complete betrayal of Vichai's legacy.
posted on 3/4/25
I think Bristol were top at the time.
I agree with much of what you say, I just think that the best opportunity to get back to the promised land is to stick with KP, rather than roll the dice with a new set of unknown owners, who could just as easily turn out to be asset strippers as an improvement.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying this has been an enjoyable season by any stretch of the imagination. I suspect that those who have been supporting for longer can remember poor seasons, but this has to rank with the worst for sure. What I find particularly depressing is that the supporters in the stadium have given up. I suppose I can't get too aeriated because I spent last season not getting too excited because I suspected we would struggle this year and Rudders was still firmly in place. What gives me a bit more hope at the moment is the indication that he might just be on his way. We'll see.
posted on 3/4/25
comment by Nuneaton_fox (U7936)
posted about 10 hours ago
comment by 98 Problems (and promotion ain’t one) (U12353)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
“If you are wondering why I'm not in the full on 'KP/Top out' camp I'm still wary about changing owners - be very careful what you wish for”
I was making the same argument in 2023 about sticking with our current owners and continually backing them to get it right
Be careful what you wish for - because in wishing and hoping that Top is going to become a competent owner - you’re going to be very disappointed while you watch this club plummet lows you didn’t think was possible 5 years ago.
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If you look back on my posts you will see me being pilloried for daring to say 'get to 40 points' when we were flying high, so I have been well aware that we could fall from the summit.
I'd be more ready to contemplate a change in ownership if you can guarantee the prospective owners will be as generous and have the club's interests in mind as much as KP have.
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Since when does having the clubs interests at heart have anything to do with competence? You’re basically sitting there saying you’re backing Top and the KP while they are literally driving the club off the edge of the cliff because they’re a generous bunch whose heart is in the right place
I’m beginning to think you and Mersey might actually be the same poster
No one can guarantee anything about change, but if you haven’t seen enough evidence that this ownership is destroying this football club by now then there’s nothing I I can say that will change your mind.
posted on 5/4/25
Hey, you leave off my alter ego 98!!
I think we all know we’re in a big mess right now but I think k everyone is presenting different solutions to fix it. What we all know is that to fix it we need change. The question is what change and where.
Now
Historically a new owner could come in and throw money at change and that would fix some things even if others were wrong. See the Eriksson era for how money can help but not resolve. See Man Utd for further proof, one of the highest spending clubs of the last decade!!!
So what’s needed is change and leadership. We need our next Pearson moment. How do we get it? For me the owners (Top and KP) have limited ability to do much anymore due to FFP so their main job is to simply appoint the right leaders. The question we’re all then asking is can they?
For me if we replace RvN in the summer (I think we have to now) and Rudkin (I think it’s finally coming) that’s all the owners can do.
It’s then a case of trusting the leaders to lead. Unlike now which is one of the most horrible periods of supporting the club I’ve ever had.
posted on 5/4/25
I think you’ve hit the nail on the head here Mersey (for the first time in 3 years 😂) - it’s about leadership. That’s what I want to see - that leadership shoud come from the Chairman.
The question everything comes back to is this - from all the evidence of the last 3 years, do we believe this chairman is capable of implementing the real leadership this club desperately needs? Does he have the leadership skills himself to steer this club into some sort of direction?
Because if he just doesn’t have it in the locker, then any changes he makes this summer risks further damage.
Consider for a moment that he personally stepped in to make the disastrous RVN appointment. That, according to John Percy was Tops decision alone.
Consider also that he personally decided to keep Rudkin after our abysmal relegation season when it was obvious that he was clearly responsible for mismanaging £120m of player contracts and also allowed Rodgers to wield unprecedented influence
The reason i believe we need new owners - is nothing to do with fixing anything in the short term. It’s to re-establish this club with a new leadership. A chairman who is not just ambitious, but who is competent.
I am at the point of firmly believing that no long term good will come from any changes implementing by a broken ownership
posted on 5/4/25
RvN has clearly been an unmitigated disaster 98 and Top has to take responsibility for that doesn’t he.
posted on 5/4/25
98, I can reassure you that I am not Mersey in disguise
You are willing to roll the dice with new ownership in the hope that we will somehow end up with a competent chairman; in turn risking us getting someone in who may be even worse than Top has proved to be, and in addition could turn out to be a charlatan without the club's best interests at heart and/or an asset stripper. To me that is not a risk worth taking whilst there is a glimmer of hope down the KP tunnel - which there is now with the potential for changes at DoF level.
At the very least, if you are still completely intent on change in ownership, and utterly convinced that the management/Top/KP are useless, ask yourself one question - in selecting new owners, who would be in charge of the process including due diligence of their suitability? Would that give you any comfort that the right choice would be made?
posted on 5/4/25
Oh I’m absolutely willing to roll the dice Nuneaton, because from a footballing perspective, I don’t think the Venkys could have engineered such an incredible design. The King Power group may not be asset strippers but financially they’ve absolutely ruined us through their appalling mismanagement of club finances, transfer policy and wage expenditure
They’ve made sure that we are financially in the wilderness for years. So yeah - I’m willing to roll the dice, because I don’t think we can survive another 3 years of this - not if we want to stay in the top 2 divisions in any case
We are at the blackjack table with a 7 of hearts and a 5 of spades. You’re sitting there not wanting to take another card because we might go bust. I’m saying if we stick with that hand - we’ll win nothing. It’s so bad.
We are in a terrible mess - completely of this ownerships making. Top still cares. I don’t think he would sell us to an asset stripper. But unfortunately Nuneaton, you may be happy with your lot - the rest of us can’t settle for that
posted on 6/4/25
On what planet are you 98 if you think I am happy with the present situation? I just think that sticking with Top/KP is the least worst option for the time being.
How are you so confident that Top and the present management - who have proven to be utterly incompetent over the last few years (no argument there) - would make a sound choice of replacement owners?
posted on 6/4/25
comment by Nuneaton_fox (U7936)
posted about 9 hours ago
On what planet are you 98 if you think I am happy with the present situation? I just think that sticking with Top/KP is the least worst option for the time being.
How are you so confident that Top and the present management - who have proven to be utterly incompetent over the last few years (no argument there) - would make a sound choice of replacement owners?
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I didn’t mean you were necessarily happy with the situation - but happy with your lot, as in, it’s bad but I’ll take it because the other option could be worse
That line of thinking absolutely staggers me I’ll be honest. If 98% of football owners were asset stripping charlatans then I understand it - they’re not. You seem to be thinking that Ashley and Karl Oyston are the only alternatives we have
Also it’s not like there’s going to be a queue of bidders willing to buy the club so I’m not quite sure what selection process you are referring to. It’s much more likely that a consortium for eg shows an interest and what I’m saying is, because Top evidently still cares for the club, I don’t think he’s going to let it fall into the wrong hands - eg the likes of owners I’ve mentioned above.
By your logic, we’re stuck with these owners forever because you don’t trust them to find a better buyer for us. It’s absolutely bizarre thinking I’ll be honest.
posted on 6/4/25
We definitely wouldn't want to risk someone like Mike Ashley becoming owner. He took over a financially stable club that had been a Premier League top half regular, pushing for Champions League on a frequent basis, and turned them into a basket case that were relegated twice. Thank god we don't have that level of incompetence to worry about!
posted on 6/4/25
comment by Foxello - "a miserable Rodgers obsessed weirdo" (U6985)
posted 17 minutes ago
We definitely wouldn't want to risk someone like Mike Ashley becoming owner. He took over a financially stable club that had been a Premier League top half regular, pushing for Champions League on a frequent basis, and turned them into a basket case that were relegated twice. Thank god we don't have that level of incompetence to worry about!
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😂😂😂😂 Exactly!
posted on 6/4/25
Anyone know what happened to the stadium expansion? That just been scrapped entirely now? Be nice if our owners communicated about that wouldn’t it.
I know you’re all out for new owners Foxello and 98 but under PSR I’m not sure what a new owner could do other than play the rules constantly like Chelsea. For me we need to get more stable again and build back in a slow way with a manager that can lead a long term strategy.
I’m still happy to give KP the summer to see if they can get that right.
posted on 6/4/25
I think we can safely assume that the stadium expansion is done for. There's no need for a 40,000+ capacity when the current stadium will be a third empty next season and possibly before the end of this one. They should have done it before the training ground was built but got their priorities wrong. Now we have a massive white elephant at Seagrave that has done nothing to aid the development of the football club and is the epitome of the comfortable culture that has turned it into a luxury spa retreat rather than a place of work and development.
"I know you’re all out for new owners Foxello and 98 but under PSR I’m not sure what a new owner could do other than play the rules constantly like Chelsea."
It's not all about spending money. It's about competency and having a strategy. We use to have both and a very clear recruitment policy that underpinned the aims and ambitions of the club. That has been lost now. I don't want a change of ownership because we'll have tens of hundreds of millions to spend - I want change because it's a chance to properly reset and become both competent and ambitious again.
posted on 6/4/25
comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted about 3 hours ago
Anyone know what happened to the stadium expansion? That just been scrapped entirely now? Be nice if our owners communicated about that wouldn’t it.
I know you’re all out for new owners Foxello and 98 but under PSR I’m not sure what a new owner could do other than play the rules constantly like Chelsea. For me we need to get more stable again and build back in a slow way with a manager that can lead a long term strategy.
I’m still happy to give KP the summer to see if they can get that right.
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“For me we need to get more stable again and build back in a slow way with a manager that can lead a long term”
This is exactly why I want knee owners.
There is nothing to suggest Top and the King Power group can achieve this. Absolutely zero evidence in any of their decisions in the last 3 years. If they could show any signs of being able to do that I wouldn’t be calling for new owners
We all know Mersey that in 12 months time you’ll be giving them another 12 months so it’s a bit of a pointless debate
posted on 6/4/25
New owners*
posted on 6/4/25
I understand why you want new owners 98, but you can’t understand why I don’t yet.
There is no right or wrong to this with risks both ways. But I personally don’t believe the club is being mismanaged badly. We had a long term strategy that we tore up for Rodgers and were suffering for getting it badly wrong. We’ve gone back to the formula that served us well but managerial appointments have let us down after Maresca. The owners got that one right (ish) though and it’s not easy. Look at Man U for an example of how new owners don’t bring success.
I understand that under new owners and a total reset of the club we could get back to a steady footing. I also think it’s a big risk if they don’t understand how football differs from business.
I think our owners get that and I like them. The fact that Maresca is quoted as saying “they’re the best owners in football” when asked by RvN tells you a lot for me.
posted on 6/4/25
“But I personally don’t believe the club is being mismanaged badly.”
Wow. Just where do you start with this? 😂😂😂😂
I actually just don’t know how to debate with you anymore Mersey. If you can’t see the gross mismanagement that is going on and has led to the first fan protest against Leicesters ownership I’ve ever witnessed, there’s nothing else to say
You’ve always given this ownership every benefit of the doubt at every opportunity and you always will. So let’s stop going around in circles. You think our owners are a great bunch, made one big mistake with Rodgers and that alongside FFP is the root cause of everything
There’s nothing left to discuss
posted on 6/4/25
And by the way - stop making things up 😂
There isn’t a quote where Maresca described Leicesters owners as “the best owners in football”. It just isn’t true
He said from his experience they are the best football people he has met. Considering he’s managed the grand sum of two football clubs (aside from his mini stint at Parma) that’s lovely of him to say, but it’s not saying a huge amount either.
Even if it was - so what? I’m sure they’re lovely people, doesn’t make them competent owners
I just hope you and Nuneaton get a chance to sit together for the league 1 season in 3 years time. You can then both discuss your mutual admiration of the ownership and what a cracking bunch of guys they all are
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