A Dundee United fan on a Celtic board asking about Rangers
Leeds have nothing to do with Rangers takeover! The Efl changed the rules I'm sure last season,more of a partnership between teams rather than dual ownership,lots of clubs do it,take Hearts for instance,they are in partnership with Brighton.
https://www.farrer.co.uk/news-and-insights/multi-club-ownership-in-football-the-challenges-ahead/#:~:text=Regulatory%20landscape:%20competitive%20concerns,interest%20are%20of%20critical%20importance.
Worth a read.
Arab, not aware any football 30% barrier although it is a key barrier under stock market rules that Dave King chose to ignore and found out to his cost.
In any case the Rangers buyers are a consortium of at least two declared parties so 30% may not be breached in any case? I imagine the company / club may be taken private. That may make it harder to fleece the fans in the telegraphed share issue but I suspect they know the fans are unlikely to shell again and will make it more of an underwritten placing than any open offer or rights issue? If they have 51% they can do most of what they want anyway.
With the Rangers announcement yesterday confirming that take over talks are happening and that the 49er group are looking for a controlling stake. I had a question to ask the more knowledgeable people on here.
I'll make the point now I'm not trolling but have a genuine interest in this situation. I for one hope it happens as it will open the door to other clubs being invested in. Anyway on to the question.
From what I have read a lot of time was spent waiting to see if Leeds would get promoted as dual ownership is less an issue in England's top flight. However I was under the impression that Scottish rules are maxed out at something like 30% ownership. So why are their fans such fat cvnts? As a second question if Leeds where to be relegated again at some point would this affect the ownership of both clubs again or would it be allowed as the ownership predates the relagation?
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I genuinely thought this was were you were going with the OP.
comment by Bluebell (U7064)
posted 45 minutes ago
A Dundee United fan on a Celtic board asking about Rangers
Leeds have nothing to do with Rangers takeover! The Efl changed the rules I'm sure last season,more of a partnership between teams rather than dual ownership,lots of clubs do it,take Hearts for instance,they are in partnership with Brighton.
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It's not a celtic board it's a Scottish football one. Regardless I know there is dual ownership in the league but as I questioned I'm pretty sure there was a cut off point of how much a percent of the Scottish club would be allowed. I might be miss remembering but I think the hibs deal was at 35% and that was the most allowed(in a case of dual ownership)
comment by CambuslangArab (U20546)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Bluebell (U7064)
posted 45 minutes ago
A Dundee United fan on a Celtic board asking about Rangers
Leeds have nothing to do with Rangers takeover! The Efl changed the rules I'm sure last season,more of a partnership between teams rather than dual ownership,lots of clubs do it,take Hearts for instance,they are in partnership with Brighton.
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It's not a celtic board it's a Scottish football one. Regardless I know there is dual ownership in the league but as I questioned I'm pretty sure there was a cut off point of how much a percent of the Scottish club would be allowed. I might be miss remembering but I think the hibs deal was at 35% and that was the most allowed(in a case of dual ownership)
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There was a 10% that Ashley had to be below when he had the barcodes.
Was it not 25% at Hibs and the Sfa upped it to 29.9% or there abouts?
comment by Bluebell (U7064)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
A Dundee United fan on a Celtic board asking about Rangers
Leeds have nothing to do with Rangers takeover! The Efl changed the rules I'm sure last season,more of a partnership between teams rather than dual ownership,lots of clubs do it,take Hearts for instance,they are in partnership with Brighton.
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It’s tagged for both Celtic and rangers?
Anyway-it was a question about rules, that’s why he had to tag another team other than rangers.
Anything to do with Rangers ask the Celtic fans
I doubt the SFA would stand in rangers way regarding the takeover. They never have done in the past.
comment by Bluebell (U7064)
posted 2 hours, 8 minutes ago
A Dundee United fan on a Celtic board asking about Rangers
Leeds have nothing to do with Rangers takeover! The Efl changed the rules I'm sure last season,more of a partnership between teams rather than dual ownership,lots of clubs do it,take Hearts for instance,they are in partnership with Brighton.
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calm down petal
comment by JFK - Super Nintendo Chalmers (U8919)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Bluebell (U7064)
posted 2 hours, 8 minutes ago
A Dundee United fan on a Celtic board asking about Rangers
Leeds have nothing to do with Rangers takeover! The Efl changed the rules I'm sure last season,more of a partnership between teams rather than dual ownership,lots of clubs do it,take Hearts for instance,they are in partnership with Brighton.
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calm down petal
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Michael Winner died too.
An escalator costs in the $200,000 range in North America. They are typically much cheaper in Europe because they have been installing them in one piece there for over 40 years. The Europeans regularly install an fully factory aligned escalator over a weekend as compared to many months of installation time in North America. Here in North America, the escalators are typically fully assembled and test run in the factory, then taken apart to the degree required by the local union labor agreement, then reassembled on the site over a period of 3 to 4 months. This extra labor is much more expensive than typical crane costs.
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Digress / tangent but this amazes me given that many US houses are delivered 90% complete on the back of a flatbed!
I thought it was fairly well documented that the nature of the Rangers takeover hinged on what league Leeds were in (EFL and SFA rules)?
The fact that confidence and communication in the deal has escalated since the day Leeds were officially promoted would support this. As is using PL Club Brighton as the example (with Hearts).
So Arabs OP is a reasonable question.
Now then, now then, now then!
The definitive adjudication.
The SPFL rules simply defer to the SFA.
The SFA say as below. Don't shoot the messenger & paste it into AI if you want a summary, cvnts.
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13. DUAL INTERESTS IN CLUBS 13.1 Except with the prior written consent of the Board: (a) no club or nominee of a club; and (b) no person, whether absolutely or as a trustee, either alone or in conjunction with one or more associates or solely through an associate or associates (even where such person has no formal interest), who: (i) is a member of a club; or (ii) is involved in any capacity whatsoever in the management or administration of a club; or (iii) has any power whatsoever to influence the management or administration of a club, may at the same time either directly or indirectly: (A) be a member of another club; or87 / THE SCOTTISH FOOTBALL ASSOCIATION HANDBOOK 2022/2023 — ARTICLES OF ASSOCIATION (B) be involved in any capacity whatsoever in the management or administration of another club; or (C) have any power whatsoever to influence the management or administration of another club. 13.2 Except with the prior written consent of the Board, any person who: (a) is a member of a club; (b) is involved in any capacity whatsoever in the management or administration of a club; or (c) has any power whatsoever to influence the management or administration of a club, may not take up any such role with another club until such time as the Scottish FA is reasonably satisfied that such person has ceased to hold such role in the first club. If this would require the relevant person to transfer his shares in the first club, the Scottish FA must be reasonably satisfied that the share transfer has been completed and that the shares have not been transferred to an associate. The criteria for assessing whether the position is satisfactory or not shall include provision to the Scottish FA of: (i) a certified true copy of the register of members of the first club (or such other evidence as the Board, acting reasonably, shall accept) showing that the relevant person is no longer a member and that the shares have not been transferred to a person who is an associate; and (ii) a certificate from the secretary of the first club confirming that the procedures applied in the transfer of the shares by the person to whom this Article 13.2 applies complies with such club’s constitution in all respects. The Scottish FA must be reasonably satisfied about the transfer of his shares in the first club before such person can take up any such role at another club. The relevant person shall only be entitled to take up any of the aforementioned roles at another club prior to the transfer of his shares in the first club if the Scottish FA is reasonably satisfied that the shares have been placed into an irrevocable trust of which neither he nor any of his associates is a beneficiary and that he cannot exercise any rights or be entitled to any privileges in respect of such shares or such other arrangement is entered into in respect of the shares which the Scottish FA is satisfied (acting reasonably) achieves the same outcome. 13.3 Without prejudice to Article 13.1 or Article 13.2: (a) any club or nominee of a club; and (b) any person who is a member of a club, is involved in any capacity whatsoever in the management or administration of a club, or has any power whatsoever to influence the management or administration of a club, shall notify the Board in writing prior to any event taking place which would result in it/him: (i) becoming a member of another club; (ii) becoming involved in any capacity whatsoever in the management or administration of another club; or88 / (iii) having any power whatsoever to influence the management or administration of another club. 13.4 The Scottish FA is authorised to request: (a) full disclosure of the identity of all of the shareholders of a member and details of all beneficial interests represented by any such shareholder; and (b) all such details and ask all such questions as it deems necessary (acting reasonably) for the purpose of establishing the involvement of a club (or its nominee) or any other person in, or its/his power to influence, any club, and all members and other relevant persons under the jurisdiction of the Scottish FA will be required to meet all such requests and to answer all such questions without delay, subject to any applicable law which it/he can demonstrate to the satisfaction of the Scottish FA (acting reasonably) prohibits it/him from doing so. Failure to do so will constitute a breach of these Articles and the Judicial Panel will have jurisdiction to deal with any such breach and to impose sanctions in relation to it. 13.5 For the purposes of this Article 13: (a) “club” means any club in membership of the Scottish FA and any club in membership of an association in membership of UEFA; (b) “person” includes any body corporate and a partnership; (c) “associate” means: (i) if the person referred to is an individual, (1) a close relative of that individual, including that individual’s spouse, common law spouse, civil partner, parent, step parent, child, stepchild, uncle, aunt, nephew or niece, or a child or stepchild of such parent or spouse, common law spouse or civil partner or anyone else of a close relationship to that individual who in the opinion of the Board is or is likely to be acting in conjunction with that individual, (2) any company of which that individual or a close relative of such individual is a director or over which that individual or a close relative of such individual is able to exercise control or influence, and (3) any individual who is an employee or partner of that individual or a close relative of any such employee or partner; and (ii) if the person referred to or any associate of that person is a body corporate, (1) any other body corporate associated with it either through the holding of shares in it or by reason of control by contract or other form of agreement, (2) any director or employee of that body corporate or other associated body corporate or any close relative of any such director or employee, and (3) where any person has an agreement or arrangement, whether legally binding or not, with any other person in relation to the exercise of his voting power in a club or in relation to the holding or disposal of his interest in such club, that other person; and (d) “member” means involvement directly or indirectly (and whether as principal, trustee, nominee, beneficiary or in any other capacity) in a club as a shareholder, holder of options over any share, holder of convertible loans or securities or any like instrument, member of a company limited by guarantee, the holder of an interest in any unincorporated voluntary association, or as possessor of any other right of ownership or control in relation to a club.89 / THE SCOTTISH FOOTBALL ASSOCIATION HANDBOOK 2022/2023 — ARTICLES OF ASSOCIATION 13.6 In considering whether to give any such consent as may be required by this Article 13, the Board shall have regard to the need to promote and safeguard the interests and public profile of Association Football, its players, spectators and others concerned with the game of Association Football and shall have regard also to these Articles, the rules and regulations of the Scottish FA and to the constitution and rules of those bodies of which the Scottish FA is in membership. The Board shall not grant any such consent to the extent that it considers doing so would jeopardise the integrity of any match or competition. 13.7 Any consent granted by the Board under this Article 13 shall be subject to such conditions as the Board shall consider appropriate in all the circumstances. Without prejudice to the foregoing generality, the Board may (in its sole discretion) impose a time limit on any consent granted by it under this Article 13 and, upon the expiry of any such time limit, the Board may review its decision to grant the relevant consent and (at its sole discretion) withdraw such consent. In the event that the Board withdraws any consent granted by it under this Article 13 at any time, the club or person which is a member of, involved in any capacity whatsoever in the management or administration of, or has any power whatsoever to influence the management or administration of, more than one club shall take all such steps within such period of time as the Board shall require (acting reasonably) to procure that it/he is no longer a member of, involved in any capacity whatsoever in the management or administration of, or has any power whatsoever to influence the management or administration of, more than one club.
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
Now then, now then, now then!
The definitive adjudication.
The SPFL rules simply defer to the SFA.
The SFA say as below. Don't shoot the messenger & paste it into AI if you want a summary, cvnts.
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13. DUAL INTERESTS IN CLUBS 13.1 Except with the prior written consent of the Board: (a) no club or nominee of a club; and (b) no person, whether absolutely or as a trustee, either alone or in conjunction with one or more associates or solely through an associate or associates (even where such person has no formal interest), who: (i) is a member of a club; or (ii) is involved in any capacity whatsoever in the management or administration of a club; or (iii) has any power whatsoever to influence the management or administration of a club, may at the same time either directly or indirectly: (A) be a member of another club; or87 / THE SCOTTISH FOOTBALL ASSOCIATION HANDBOOK 2022/2023 — ARTICLES OF ASSOCIATION (B) be involved in any capacity whatsoever in the management or administration of another club; or (C) have any power whatsoever to influence the management or administration of another club. 13.2 Except with the prior written consent of the Board, any person who: (a) is a member of a club; (b) is involved in any capacity whatsoever in the management or administration of a club; or (c) has any power whatsoever to influence the management or administration of a club, may not take up any such role with another club until such time as the Scottish FA is reasonably satisfied that such person has ceased to hold such role in the first club. If this would require the relevant person to transfer his shares in the first club, the Scottish FA must be reasonably satisfied that the share transfer has been completed and that the shares have not been transferred to an associate. The criteria for assessing whether the position is satisfactory or not shall include provision to the Scottish FA of: (i) a certified true copy of the register of members of the first club (or such other evidence as the Board, acting reasonably, shall accept) showing that the relevant person is no longer a member and that the shares have not been transferred to a person who is an associate; and (ii) a certificate from the secretary of the first club confirming that the procedures applied in the transfer of the shares by the person to whom this Article 13.2 applies complies with such club’s constitution in all respects. The Scottish FA must be reasonably satisfied about the transfer of his shares in the first club before such person can take up any such role at another club. The relevant person shall only be entitled to take up any of the aforementioned roles at another club prior to the transfer of his shares in the first club if the Scottish FA is reasonably satisfied that the shares have been placed into an irrevocable trust of which neither he nor any of his associates is a beneficiary and that he cannot exercise any rights or be entitled to any privileges in respect of such shares or such other arrangement is entered into in respect of the shares which the Scottish FA is satisfied (acting reasonably) achieves the same outcome. 13.3 Without prejudice to Article 13.1 or Article 13.2: (a) any club or nominee of a club; and (b) any person who is a member of a club, is involved in any capacity whatsoever in the management or administration of a club, or has any power whatsoever to influence the management or administration of a club, shall notify the Board in writing prior to any event taking place which would result in it/him: (i) becoming a member of another club; (ii) becoming involved in any capacity whatsoever in the management or administration of another club; or88 / (iii) having any power whatsoever to influence the management or administration of another club. 13.4 The Scottish FA is authorised to request: (a) full disclosure of the identity of all of the shareholders of a member and details of all beneficial interests represented by any such shareholder; and (b) all such details and ask all such questions as it deems necessary (acting reasonably) for the purpose of establishing the involvement of a club (or its nominee) or any other person in, or its/his power to influence, any club, and all members and other relevant persons under the jurisdiction of the Scottish FA will be required to meet all such requests and to answer all such questions without delay, subject to any applicable law which it/he can demonstrate to the satisfaction of the Scottish FA (acting reasonably) prohibits it/him from doing so. Failure to do so will constitute a breach of these Articles and the Judicial Panel will have jurisdiction to deal with any such breach and to impose sanctions in relation to it. 13.5 For the purposes of this Article 13: (a) “club” means any club in membership of the Scottish FA and any club in membership of an association in membership of UEFA; (b) “person” includes any body corporate and a partnership; (c) “associate” means: (i) if the person referred to is an individual, (1) a close relative of that individual, including that individual’s spouse, common law spouse, civil partner, parent, step parent, child, stepchild, uncle, aunt, nephew or niece, or a child or stepchild of such parent or spouse, common law spouse or civil partner or anyone else of a close relationship to that individual who in the opinion of the Board is or is likely to be acting in conjunction with that individual, (2) any company of which that individual or a close relative of such individual is a director or over which that individual or a close relative of such individual is able to exercise control or influence, and (3) any individual who is an employee or partner of that individual or a close relative of any such employee or partner; and (ii) if the person referred to or any associate of that person is a body corporate, (1) any other body corporate associated with it either through the holding of shares in it or by reason of control by contract or other form of agreement, (2) any director or employee of that body corporate or other associated body corporate or any close relative of any such director or employee, and (3) where any person has an agreement or arrangement, whether legally binding or not, with any other person in relation to the exercise of his voting power in a club or in relation to the holding or disposal of his interest in such club, that other person; and (d) “member” means involvement directly or indirectly (and whether as principal, trustee, nominee, beneficiary or in any other capacity) in a club as a shareholder, holder of options over any share, holder of convertible loans or securities or any like instrument, member of a company limited by guarantee, the holder of an interest in any unincorporated voluntary association, or as possessor of any other right of ownership or control in relation to a club.89 / THE SCOTTISH FOOTBALL ASSOCIATION HANDBOOK 2022/2023 — ARTICLES OF ASSOCIATION 13.6 In considering whether to give any such consent as may be required by this Article 13, the Board shall have regard to the need to promote and safeguard the interests and public profile of Association Football, its players, spectators and others concerned with the game of Association Football and shall have regard also to these Articles, the rules and regulations of the Scottish FA and to the constitution and rules of those bodies of which the Scottish FA is in membership. The Board shall not grant any such consent to the extent that it considers doing so would jeopardise the integrity of any match or competition. 13.7 Any consent granted by the Board under this Article 13 shall be subject to such conditions as the Board shall consider appropriate in all the circumstances. Without prejudice to the foregoing generality, the Board may (in its sole discretion) impose a time limit on any consent granted by it under this Article 13 and, upon the expiry of any such time limit, the Board may review its decision to grant the relevant consent and (at its sole discretion) withdraw such consent. In the event that the Board withdraws any consent granted by it under this Article 13 at any time, the club or person which is a member of, involved in any capacity whatsoever in the management or administration of, or has any power whatsoever to influence the management or administration of, more than one club shall take all such steps within such period of time as the Board shall require (acting reasonably) to procure that it/he is no longer a member of, involved in any capacity whatsoever in the management or administration of, or has any power whatsoever to influence the management or administration of, more than one club.
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That is word for word exactly what I had typed out. Beat me to it.
comment by System-Addict ••• ••••• •• (U9239)
posted 1 hour, 40 minutes ago
I thought it was fairly well documented that the nature of the Rangers takeover hinged on what league Leeds were in (EFL and SFA rules)?
The fact that confidence and communication in the deal has escalated since the day Leeds were officially promoted would support this. As is using PL Club Brighton as the example (with Hearts).
So Arabs OP is a reasonable question.
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I thought it was fairly well documented .... on Kerrydale and Twitter
Aye,wonder what will happen now that Leeds are promoted?
comment by Bluebell (U7064)
posted 2 hours, 27 minutes ago
Aye,wonder what will happen now that Leeds are promoted?
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They’ll be demoted by the end of season
comment by Bluebell (U7064)
posted 4 hours, 44 minutes ago
Aye,wonder what will happen now that Leeds are promoted?
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🫣 That’s the point!
comment by Timmy (U14278)
posted 9 hours, 13 minutes ago
I doubt the SFA would stand in rangers way regarding the takeover. They never have done in the past.
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🤣🤣🤣
Will this takeover actually change anything?
I dont see them coming in to spend millions.
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Have to pass on the takeover stuff don't know.
Neither does anybody mind.
Also don't think it'll change things a jot no matter what turn it takes.
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Rangers take over.
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posted on 24/4/25
A Dundee United fan on a Celtic board asking about Rangers
Leeds have nothing to do with Rangers takeover! The Efl changed the rules I'm sure last season,more of a partnership between teams rather than dual ownership,lots of clubs do it,take Hearts for instance,they are in partnership with Brighton.
posted on 24/4/25
https://www.farrer.co.uk/news-and-insights/multi-club-ownership-in-football-the-challenges-ahead/#:~:text=Regulatory%20landscape:%20competitive%20concerns,interest%20are%20of%20critical%20importance.
Worth a read.
posted on 24/4/25
Arab, not aware any football 30% barrier although it is a key barrier under stock market rules that Dave King chose to ignore and found out to his cost.
In any case the Rangers buyers are a consortium of at least two declared parties so 30% may not be breached in any case? I imagine the company / club may be taken private. That may make it harder to fleece the fans in the telegraphed share issue but I suspect they know the fans are unlikely to shell again and will make it more of an underwritten placing than any open offer or rights issue? If they have 51% they can do most of what they want anyway.
posted on 24/4/25
With the Rangers announcement yesterday confirming that take over talks are happening and that the 49er group are looking for a controlling stake. I had a question to ask the more knowledgeable people on here.
I'll make the point now I'm not trolling but have a genuine interest in this situation. I for one hope it happens as it will open the door to other clubs being invested in. Anyway on to the question.
From what I have read a lot of time was spent waiting to see if Leeds would get promoted as dual ownership is less an issue in England's top flight. However I was under the impression that Scottish rules are maxed out at something like 30% ownership. So why are their fans such fat cvnts? As a second question if Leeds where to be relegated again at some point would this affect the ownership of both clubs again or would it be allowed as the ownership predates the relagation?
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I genuinely thought this was were you were going with the OP.
posted on 24/4/25
comment by Bluebell (U7064)
posted 45 minutes ago
A Dundee United fan on a Celtic board asking about Rangers
Leeds have nothing to do with Rangers takeover! The Efl changed the rules I'm sure last season,more of a partnership between teams rather than dual ownership,lots of clubs do it,take Hearts for instance,they are in partnership with Brighton.
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It's not a celtic board it's a Scottish football one. Regardless I know there is dual ownership in the league but as I questioned I'm pretty sure there was a cut off point of how much a percent of the Scottish club would be allowed. I might be miss remembering but I think the hibs deal was at 35% and that was the most allowed(in a case of dual ownership)
posted on 24/4/25
comment by CambuslangArab (U20546)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Bluebell (U7064)
posted 45 minutes ago
A Dundee United fan on a Celtic board asking about Rangers
Leeds have nothing to do with Rangers takeover! The Efl changed the rules I'm sure last season,more of a partnership between teams rather than dual ownership,lots of clubs do it,take Hearts for instance,they are in partnership with Brighton.
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It's not a celtic board it's a Scottish football one. Regardless I know there is dual ownership in the league but as I questioned I'm pretty sure there was a cut off point of how much a percent of the Scottish club would be allowed. I might be miss remembering but I think the hibs deal was at 35% and that was the most allowed(in a case of dual ownership)
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There was a 10% that Ashley had to be below when he had the barcodes.
posted on 24/4/25
Was it not 25% at Hibs and the Sfa upped it to 29.9% or there abouts?
posted on 24/4/25
comment by Bluebell (U7064)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
A Dundee United fan on a Celtic board asking about Rangers
Leeds have nothing to do with Rangers takeover! The Efl changed the rules I'm sure last season,more of a partnership between teams rather than dual ownership,lots of clubs do it,take Hearts for instance,they are in partnership with Brighton.
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It’s tagged for both Celtic and rangers?
Anyway-it was a question about rules, that’s why he had to tag another team other than rangers.
posted on 24/4/25
Anything to do with Rangers ask the Celtic fans
posted on 24/4/25
I doubt the SFA would stand in rangers way regarding the takeover. They never have done in the past.
posted on 24/4/25
comment by Bluebell (U7064)
posted 2 hours, 8 minutes ago
A Dundee United fan on a Celtic board asking about Rangers
Leeds have nothing to do with Rangers takeover! The Efl changed the rules I'm sure last season,more of a partnership between teams rather than dual ownership,lots of clubs do it,take Hearts for instance,they are in partnership with Brighton.
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calm down petal
posted on 24/4/25
comment by JFK - Super Nintendo Chalmers (U8919)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Bluebell (U7064)
posted 2 hours, 8 minutes ago
A Dundee United fan on a Celtic board asking about Rangers
Leeds have nothing to do with Rangers takeover! The Efl changed the rules I'm sure last season,more of a partnership between teams rather than dual ownership,lots of clubs do it,take Hearts for instance,they are in partnership with Brighton.
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calm down petal
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Michael Winner died too.
posted on 24/4/25
An escalator costs in the $200,000 range in North America. They are typically much cheaper in Europe because they have been installing them in one piece there for over 40 years. The Europeans regularly install an fully factory aligned escalator over a weekend as compared to many months of installation time in North America. Here in North America, the escalators are typically fully assembled and test run in the factory, then taken apart to the degree required by the local union labor agreement, then reassembled on the site over a period of 3 to 4 months. This extra labor is much more expensive than typical crane costs.
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Digress / tangent but this amazes me given that many US houses are delivered 90% complete on the back of a flatbed!
posted on 24/4/25
I thought it was fairly well documented that the nature of the Rangers takeover hinged on what league Leeds were in (EFL and SFA rules)?
The fact that confidence and communication in the deal has escalated since the day Leeds were officially promoted would support this. As is using PL Club Brighton as the example (with Hearts).
So Arabs OP is a reasonable question.
posted on 24/4/25
Now then, now then, now then!
The definitive adjudication.
The SPFL rules simply defer to the SFA.
The SFA say as below. Don't shoot the messenger & paste it into AI if you want a summary, cvnts.
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13. DUAL INTERESTS IN CLUBS 13.1 Except with the prior written consent of the Board: (a) no club or nominee of a club; and (b) no person, whether absolutely or as a trustee, either alone or in conjunction with one or more associates or solely through an associate or associates (even where such person has no formal interest), who: (i) is a member of a club; or (ii) is involved in any capacity whatsoever in the management or administration of a club; or (iii) has any power whatsoever to influence the management or administration of a club, may at the same time either directly or indirectly: (A) be a member of another club; or87 / THE SCOTTISH FOOTBALL ASSOCIATION HANDBOOK 2022/2023 — ARTICLES OF ASSOCIATION (B) be involved in any capacity whatsoever in the management or administration of another club; or (C) have any power whatsoever to influence the management or administration of another club. 13.2 Except with the prior written consent of the Board, any person who: (a) is a member of a club; (b) is involved in any capacity whatsoever in the management or administration of a club; or (c) has any power whatsoever to influence the management or administration of a club, may not take up any such role with another club until such time as the Scottish FA is reasonably satisfied that such person has ceased to hold such role in the first club. If this would require the relevant person to transfer his shares in the first club, the Scottish FA must be reasonably satisfied that the share transfer has been completed and that the shares have not been transferred to an associate. The criteria for assessing whether the position is satisfactory or not shall include provision to the Scottish FA of: (i) a certified true copy of the register of members of the first club (or such other evidence as the Board, acting reasonably, shall accept) showing that the relevant person is no longer a member and that the shares have not been transferred to a person who is an associate; and (ii) a certificate from the secretary of the first club confirming that the procedures applied in the transfer of the shares by the person to whom this Article 13.2 applies complies with such club’s constitution in all respects. The Scottish FA must be reasonably satisfied about the transfer of his shares in the first club before such person can take up any such role at another club. The relevant person shall only be entitled to take up any of the aforementioned roles at another club prior to the transfer of his shares in the first club if the Scottish FA is reasonably satisfied that the shares have been placed into an irrevocable trust of which neither he nor any of his associates is a beneficiary and that he cannot exercise any rights or be entitled to any privileges in respect of such shares or such other arrangement is entered into in respect of the shares which the Scottish FA is satisfied (acting reasonably) achieves the same outcome. 13.3 Without prejudice to Article 13.1 or Article 13.2: (a) any club or nominee of a club; and (b) any person who is a member of a club, is involved in any capacity whatsoever in the management or administration of a club, or has any power whatsoever to influence the management or administration of a club, shall notify the Board in writing prior to any event taking place which would result in it/him: (i) becoming a member of another club; (ii) becoming involved in any capacity whatsoever in the management or administration of another club; or88 / (iii) having any power whatsoever to influence the management or administration of another club. 13.4 The Scottish FA is authorised to request: (a) full disclosure of the identity of all of the shareholders of a member and details of all beneficial interests represented by any such shareholder; and (b) all such details and ask all such questions as it deems necessary (acting reasonably) for the purpose of establishing the involvement of a club (or its nominee) or any other person in, or its/his power to influence, any club, and all members and other relevant persons under the jurisdiction of the Scottish FA will be required to meet all such requests and to answer all such questions without delay, subject to any applicable law which it/he can demonstrate to the satisfaction of the Scottish FA (acting reasonably) prohibits it/him from doing so. Failure to do so will constitute a breach of these Articles and the Judicial Panel will have jurisdiction to deal with any such breach and to impose sanctions in relation to it. 13.5 For the purposes of this Article 13: (a) “club” means any club in membership of the Scottish FA and any club in membership of an association in membership of UEFA; (b) “person” includes any body corporate and a partnership; (c) “associate” means: (i) if the person referred to is an individual, (1) a close relative of that individual, including that individual’s spouse, common law spouse, civil partner, parent, step parent, child, stepchild, uncle, aunt, nephew or niece, or a child or stepchild of such parent or spouse, common law spouse or civil partner or anyone else of a close relationship to that individual who in the opinion of the Board is or is likely to be acting in conjunction with that individual, (2) any company of which that individual or a close relative of such individual is a director or over which that individual or a close relative of such individual is able to exercise control or influence, and (3) any individual who is an employee or partner of that individual or a close relative of any such employee or partner; and (ii) if the person referred to or any associate of that person is a body corporate, (1) any other body corporate associated with it either through the holding of shares in it or by reason of control by contract or other form of agreement, (2) any director or employee of that body corporate or other associated body corporate or any close relative of any such director or employee, and (3) where any person has an agreement or arrangement, whether legally binding or not, with any other person in relation to the exercise of his voting power in a club or in relation to the holding or disposal of his interest in such club, that other person; and (d) “member” means involvement directly or indirectly (and whether as principal, trustee, nominee, beneficiary or in any other capacity) in a club as a shareholder, holder of options over any share, holder of convertible loans or securities or any like instrument, member of a company limited by guarantee, the holder of an interest in any unincorporated voluntary association, or as possessor of any other right of ownership or control in relation to a club.89 / THE SCOTTISH FOOTBALL ASSOCIATION HANDBOOK 2022/2023 — ARTICLES OF ASSOCIATION 13.6 In considering whether to give any such consent as may be required by this Article 13, the Board shall have regard to the need to promote and safeguard the interests and public profile of Association Football, its players, spectators and others concerned with the game of Association Football and shall have regard also to these Articles, the rules and regulations of the Scottish FA and to the constitution and rules of those bodies of which the Scottish FA is in membership. The Board shall not grant any such consent to the extent that it considers doing so would jeopardise the integrity of any match or competition. 13.7 Any consent granted by the Board under this Article 13 shall be subject to such conditions as the Board shall consider appropriate in all the circumstances. Without prejudice to the foregoing generality, the Board may (in its sole discretion) impose a time limit on any consent granted by it under this Article 13 and, upon the expiry of any such time limit, the Board may review its decision to grant the relevant consent and (at its sole discretion) withdraw such consent. In the event that the Board withdraws any consent granted by it under this Article 13 at any time, the club or person which is a member of, involved in any capacity whatsoever in the management or administration of, or has any power whatsoever to influence the management or administration of, more than one club shall take all such steps within such period of time as the Board shall require (acting reasonably) to procure that it/he is no longer a member of, involved in any capacity whatsoever in the management or administration of, or has any power whatsoever to influence the management or administration of, more than one club.
posted on 24/4/25
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
Now then, now then, now then!
The definitive adjudication.
The SPFL rules simply defer to the SFA.
The SFA say as below. Don't shoot the messenger & paste it into AI if you want a summary, cvnts.
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13. DUAL INTERESTS IN CLUBS 13.1 Except with the prior written consent of the Board: (a) no club or nominee of a club; and (b) no person, whether absolutely or as a trustee, either alone or in conjunction with one or more associates or solely through an associate or associates (even where such person has no formal interest), who: (i) is a member of a club; or (ii) is involved in any capacity whatsoever in the management or administration of a club; or (iii) has any power whatsoever to influence the management or administration of a club, may at the same time either directly or indirectly: (A) be a member of another club; or87 / THE SCOTTISH FOOTBALL ASSOCIATION HANDBOOK 2022/2023 — ARTICLES OF ASSOCIATION (B) be involved in any capacity whatsoever in the management or administration of another club; or (C) have any power whatsoever to influence the management or administration of another club. 13.2 Except with the prior written consent of the Board, any person who: (a) is a member of a club; (b) is involved in any capacity whatsoever in the management or administration of a club; or (c) has any power whatsoever to influence the management or administration of a club, may not take up any such role with another club until such time as the Scottish FA is reasonably satisfied that such person has ceased to hold such role in the first club. If this would require the relevant person to transfer his shares in the first club, the Scottish FA must be reasonably satisfied that the share transfer has been completed and that the shares have not been transferred to an associate. The criteria for assessing whether the position is satisfactory or not shall include provision to the Scottish FA of: (i) a certified true copy of the register of members of the first club (or such other evidence as the Board, acting reasonably, shall accept) showing that the relevant person is no longer a member and that the shares have not been transferred to a person who is an associate; and (ii) a certificate from the secretary of the first club confirming that the procedures applied in the transfer of the shares by the person to whom this Article 13.2 applies complies with such club’s constitution in all respects. The Scottish FA must be reasonably satisfied about the transfer of his shares in the first club before such person can take up any such role at another club. The relevant person shall only be entitled to take up any of the aforementioned roles at another club prior to the transfer of his shares in the first club if the Scottish FA is reasonably satisfied that the shares have been placed into an irrevocable trust of which neither he nor any of his associates is a beneficiary and that he cannot exercise any rights or be entitled to any privileges in respect of such shares or such other arrangement is entered into in respect of the shares which the Scottish FA is satisfied (acting reasonably) achieves the same outcome. 13.3 Without prejudice to Article 13.1 or Article 13.2: (a) any club or nominee of a club; and (b) any person who is a member of a club, is involved in any capacity whatsoever in the management or administration of a club, or has any power whatsoever to influence the management or administration of a club, shall notify the Board in writing prior to any event taking place which would result in it/him: (i) becoming a member of another club; (ii) becoming involved in any capacity whatsoever in the management or administration of another club; or88 / (iii) having any power whatsoever to influence the management or administration of another club. 13.4 The Scottish FA is authorised to request: (a) full disclosure of the identity of all of the shareholders of a member and details of all beneficial interests represented by any such shareholder; and (b) all such details and ask all such questions as it deems necessary (acting reasonably) for the purpose of establishing the involvement of a club (or its nominee) or any other person in, or its/his power to influence, any club, and all members and other relevant persons under the jurisdiction of the Scottish FA will be required to meet all such requests and to answer all such questions without delay, subject to any applicable law which it/he can demonstrate to the satisfaction of the Scottish FA (acting reasonably) prohibits it/him from doing so. Failure to do so will constitute a breach of these Articles and the Judicial Panel will have jurisdiction to deal with any such breach and to impose sanctions in relation to it. 13.5 For the purposes of this Article 13: (a) “club” means any club in membership of the Scottish FA and any club in membership of an association in membership of UEFA; (b) “person” includes any body corporate and a partnership; (c) “associate” means: (i) if the person referred to is an individual, (1) a close relative of that individual, including that individual’s spouse, common law spouse, civil partner, parent, step parent, child, stepchild, uncle, aunt, nephew or niece, or a child or stepchild of such parent or spouse, common law spouse or civil partner or anyone else of a close relationship to that individual who in the opinion of the Board is or is likely to be acting in conjunction with that individual, (2) any company of which that individual or a close relative of such individual is a director or over which that individual or a close relative of such individual is able to exercise control or influence, and (3) any individual who is an employee or partner of that individual or a close relative of any such employee or partner; and (ii) if the person referred to or any associate of that person is a body corporate, (1) any other body corporate associated with it either through the holding of shares in it or by reason of control by contract or other form of agreement, (2) any director or employee of that body corporate or other associated body corporate or any close relative of any such director or employee, and (3) where any person has an agreement or arrangement, whether legally binding or not, with any other person in relation to the exercise of his voting power in a club or in relation to the holding or disposal of his interest in such club, that other person; and (d) “member” means involvement directly or indirectly (and whether as principal, trustee, nominee, beneficiary or in any other capacity) in a club as a shareholder, holder of options over any share, holder of convertible loans or securities or any like instrument, member of a company limited by guarantee, the holder of an interest in any unincorporated voluntary association, or as possessor of any other right of ownership or control in relation to a club.89 / THE SCOTTISH FOOTBALL ASSOCIATION HANDBOOK 2022/2023 — ARTICLES OF ASSOCIATION 13.6 In considering whether to give any such consent as may be required by this Article 13, the Board shall have regard to the need to promote and safeguard the interests and public profile of Association Football, its players, spectators and others concerned with the game of Association Football and shall have regard also to these Articles, the rules and regulations of the Scottish FA and to the constitution and rules of those bodies of which the Scottish FA is in membership. The Board shall not grant any such consent to the extent that it considers doing so would jeopardise the integrity of any match or competition. 13.7 Any consent granted by the Board under this Article 13 shall be subject to such conditions as the Board shall consider appropriate in all the circumstances. Without prejudice to the foregoing generality, the Board may (in its sole discretion) impose a time limit on any consent granted by it under this Article 13 and, upon the expiry of any such time limit, the Board may review its decision to grant the relevant consent and (at its sole discretion) withdraw such consent. In the event that the Board withdraws any consent granted by it under this Article 13 at any time, the club or person which is a member of, involved in any capacity whatsoever in the management or administration of, or has any power whatsoever to influence the management or administration of, more than one club shall take all such steps within such period of time as the Board shall require (acting reasonably) to procure that it/he is no longer a member of, involved in any capacity whatsoever in the management or administration of, or has any power whatsoever to influence the management or administration of, more than one club.
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That is word for word exactly what I had typed out. Beat me to it.
posted on 24/4/25
comment by System-Addict ••• ••••• •• (U9239)
posted 1 hour, 40 minutes ago
I thought it was fairly well documented that the nature of the Rangers takeover hinged on what league Leeds were in (EFL and SFA rules)?
The fact that confidence and communication in the deal has escalated since the day Leeds were officially promoted would support this. As is using PL Club Brighton as the example (with Hearts).
So Arabs OP is a reasonable question.
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I thought it was fairly well documented .... on Kerrydale and Twitter
posted on 24/4/25
Aye,wonder what will happen now that Leeds are promoted?
posted on 24/4/25
comment by Bluebell (U7064)
posted 2 hours, 27 minutes ago
Aye,wonder what will happen now that Leeds are promoted?
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They’ll be demoted by the end of season
posted on 24/4/25
comment by Bluebell (U7064)
posted 4 hours, 44 minutes ago
Aye,wonder what will happen now that Leeds are promoted?
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🫣 That’s the point!
posted on 24/4/25
comment by Timmy (U14278)
posted 9 hours, 13 minutes ago
I doubt the SFA would stand in rangers way regarding the takeover. They never have done in the past.
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🤣🤣🤣
posted on 25/4/25
Will this takeover actually change anything?
I dont see them coming in to spend millions.
posted on 25/4/25
A moment of silence following the passing of Pope Francis has been announced by UEFA.
The mark of respect will be paid in all matches in the Champions League, UEFA Youth League, and Women's Champions League next week.
The head of the Catholic state died aged 88 on Monday, April 21.
A UEFA spokesperson said: "UEFA will hold a moment of silence in memory of His Holiness the Pope Francis before the kick-off of this week’s Youth League and Women’s Champions League semi-finals, as well as our men’s club competition semis taking place 29 April-1 May."
Following the sad passing of the Pope last Monday, UEFA president Aleksander Čeferin paid tribute to his life and legacy.
"Pope Francis was a beacon of hope for all humanity in these times of war and hardship," said Mr Čeferin. "A humanity that will now remain orphaned of that voice – tireless and powerful – that always rose in defence of the poor, the humble, and the vulnerable to call for respect, acceptance, and equality and to implore a peace that always seemed distant, yet ever more longed for by the heart of the world."
A Celtic statement released on Monday read: "Celtic Football Club would like to express its deepest condolences following the death of Pope Francis who has passed away this morning at the age of 88.
"Everyone at the club is saddened by this morning's news and we offer our sincere thoughts and prayers. Requiescat in pace."
posted on 25/4/25
Tune of John Brown's Body
King Billy's body lies a' moulding in his grave. But the Pope's go marching on
No excuse for that cept been camping in Perthshire glens since Monday
with some of young Glasgow's finest youthful bams.
posted on 25/4/25
Have to pass on the takeover stuff don't know.
Neither does anybody mind.
Also don't think it'll change things a jot no matter what turn it takes.
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