comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
posted 10 seconds ago
29 Pl games. There are 38 games in a season mate.
That's 76%
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well you prob should have said league games at the start and not specify 10 mins into the debate thats what you meant.
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comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 42 seconds ago
He won’t be the one choosing who we buy and how much we spend. If he’s replaced it’ll still be the same people in charge of doing that.
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The players purchased will be suited for Amorims system. Not rocket science.
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yes they will and will be scouted, analysed and approached by the recruitment team with Amorim having a say and perhaps approving the deal but that will be it.
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If you were a united fan you know this is absolute bollox.
The manager always has the say in recruitment at this club.
There won't be any players bought that Ruben doesn't want. He's been given full control, just as previous managers were.
Do you think Ruben had nothing to do with the Dorgu purchase?
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Is Manutd1982 not a Man Utd fan.
I think Ruben prob let the recruitment team know that LB was a priority position.
The recruitment team would have either used the data they collated already and used it in combination of the budget available and then picked out maybe 2/3 targets and Amorim with the recruitment team would decide over those players together.
You must mental if you thin that Ruben deals with budgets and scouting for players as well as coaching the team.
Managers are more coaches now and the club hires more specific staff to deal with scouting and deals with new players.
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The way that it works is that Amorim identifies the profile of the player he needs. The scouting/recruitment team do their job to identify targets and present them to Amorim and he has the final say over player signings. We don't/won't sign anyone without his approval.
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yup thats pretty much what Im saying.
Ruben will let the team know whatws priority or what he needs now, the team will use the data combined with what they have already got in combinatino with the budget. and Amorim and the recruitment team will together decide which player from the list provided.
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
posted 10 seconds ago
29 Pl games. There are 38 games in a season mate.
That's 76%
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well you prob should have said league games at the start and not specify 10 mins into the debate thats what you meant.
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posted 29 seconds ago
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posted 1 minute ago
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posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 42 seconds ago
He won’t be the one choosing who we buy and how much we spend. If he’s replaced it’ll still be the same people in charge of doing that.
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The players purchased will be suited for Amorims system. Not rocket science.
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yes they will and will be scouted, analysed and approached by the recruitment team with Amorim having a say and perhaps approving the deal but that will be it.
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If you were a united fan you know this is absolute bollox.
The manager always has the say in recruitment at this club.
There won't be any players bought that Ruben doesn't want. He's been given full control, just as previous managers were.
Do you think Ruben had nothing to do with the Dorgu purchase?
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Is Manutd1982 not a Man Utd fan.
I think Ruben prob let the recruitment team know that LB was a priority position.
The recruitment team would have either used the data they collated already and used it in combination of the budget available and then picked out maybe 2/3 targets and Amorim with the recruitment team would decide over those players together.
You must mental if you thin that Ruben deals with budgets and scouting for players as well as coaching the team.
Managers are more coaches now and the club hires more specific staff to deal with scouting and deals with new players.
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The way that it works is that Amorim identifies the profile of the player he needs. The scouting/recruitment team do their job to identify targets and present them to Amorim and he has the final say over player signings. We don't/won't sign anyone without his approval.
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yup thats pretty much what Im saying.
Ruben will let the team know whatws priority or what he needs now, the team will use the data combined with what they have already got in combinatino with the budget. and Amorim and the recruitment team will together decide which player from the list provided.
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Not sure you'll be spending hundreds of millions this summer. No Europe, 16th place finish and a stadium to pay for. Would imagine you are gonna need to sell a lot and get of some of those crazy wages off the books first.
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 1 second ago
Not sure you'll be spending hundreds of millions this summer. No Europe, 16th place finish and a stadium to pay for. Would imagine you are gonna need to sell a lot and get of some of those crazy wages off the books first.
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the club have confirmed that they need to sell to spend. I think it was worked out that Man Utd have about 50m left in the FFP kitty to spend currently.
comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
posted 10 seconds ago
29 Pl games. There are 38 games in a season mate.
That's 76%
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well you prob should have said league games at the start and not specify 10 mins into the debate thats what you meant.
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yes it would appear that you do have egg on your face.
I suggest you spend a bit more time researching how your club is run.
The bigger issue is whether he is good enough to coach the players at Manchester United. Evidence thus far would suggest not.
From a Spurs perspective, the line up last night was very odd.
I think he expected Spurs to sit back and pack the central areas so went for ballers more than pace, and Rasmus as a target rather than a false 9.
There was a clear plan to get crosses in try and cause a bit of panic, and to win cheap freekicks and launch it into the box from anywhere.
There was certainly no tactical sophistication about it but may be that is impacted by the quality he had at his disposal.
Certainly Spurs tactics were limited by the missing all our technical midfielders, while United generally lack that quality altogether.
Mount was largely anonymous but so was Bruno so i think you have to give a bit of respect to Spurs for shutting United down for periods and keeping them at arms length, and not necessarily blame the players and the tactics, because he doesn't have a quality hand to play.
The alternative was to start with what you ended with, pace out wide, a bit more flair in the CM. But in the end, Spurs were just sitting back, clearing it and handing it straight back as they tried to hold what they had.
The guy needs another season and some signings. Even if he is just the fall guy in another year, no-one is going to walk into that squad and turn them into world beaters. These are some first steps in a pretty long journey for Utd. I think you have to accept that and hope the manager gets you to the next level (chasing European places, good domestic cup runs) before you can judge whether he has what it takes to go beyond that and be a contender higher up. Making United great again is not a quick fix.
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comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
posted 4 minutes ago
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posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
posted 10 seconds ago
29 Pl games. There are 38 games in a season mate.
That's 76%
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well you prob should have said league games at the start and not specify 10 mins into the debate thats what you meant.
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yes it would appear that you do have egg on your face.
I suggest you spend a bit more time researching how your club is run.
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It's just pretty easy to figure out mate. I'm talking about the PL season, which contains 38 games. He managed 29 of them.
Do I need to spell it out for you? Jesus wept. Tart.
comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
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comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
posted 4 minutes ago
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posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
posted 10 seconds ago
29 Pl games. There are 38 games in a season mate.
That's 76%
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well you prob should have said league games at the start and not specify 10 mins into the debate thats what you meant.
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yes it would appear that you do have egg on your face.
I suggest you spend a bit more time researching how your club is run.
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It's just pretty easy to figure out mate. I'm talking about the PL season, which contains 38 games. He managed 29 of them.
Do I need to spell it out for you? Jesus wept. Tart.
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yeah , given that I hadnt counted how many games you had played when you said 29 games i didnt know you meant league games specifically, why you have only used that figure I dont know.
hardly important he joined in November, that aint an entire season no matter what way you spin it. And he doesnt have hundreds of millions to spend in the summer FFS.
yeah , given that I hadnt counted how many games you had played when you said 29 games i didnt know you meant league games specifically, why you have only used that figure I dont know.
hardly important he joined in November, that aint an entire season no matter what way you spin it. And he doesnt have hundreds of millions to spend in the summer FFS.
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Cunha
Delap
That'll be over 100 million. That's 100s, no?
Unless those players have now gone out the window due to the Europa loss?
There is more to it than just systems. I get that each manager will prefer players to do certain things, but dare I say, it's still just playing football. Players have to adapt etc and most can do that. So it has to come down to Amorim as a coach also. Sporting isn't the same as Utd, but Amorim obviously has talent. Maybe the job is too big for him, maybe after the summer he will have really worked it out better, but the pressure is really on now.
But any players he brings in, like at all clubs, if it goes pear-shaped, the new manager will fancy some and less so others. The important thing is not to overspend in terms of value etc which has got us where we are.
comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
posted 5 minutes ago
yeah , given that I hadnt counted how many games you had played when you said 29 games i didnt know you meant league games specifically, why you have only used that figure I dont know.
hardly important he joined in November, that aint an entire season no matter what way you spin it. And he doesnt have hundreds of millions to spend in the summer FFS.
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Cunha
Delap
That'll be over 100 million. That's 100s, no?
Unless those players have now gone out the window due to the Europa loss?
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How much he has will be down to how much we can get back in, plus the £50m that FFP currently allows.
I suspect he will have somewhere around the £120-£150m mark to spend.
He hasn't had a full season, or preseason. Barring one all those players were at the club.
It is impressive though that you are 100% sure of how to pick the team, which subs to use and when.
Football has never been a game I'm sure about.
Unintended things can often happen.
But it's a team game, to be successful each player has to play to be a part of it. Garnacho for example (who I like) doesn't play got the team, he plays mainly for himself.
However poor Rasmus is he gets no feed from Nacho.
comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 48 seconds ago
and he hasnt had an entire season at all ... he has had 1 winter transfer window to which the club brought in a young cheap LB.
I dont know what was to be expected tbh. you have a very poor squad right now full of over paid players that dont seem to hve any real desire. And 1 transfer window bringing in a LB wasnt gonna change that.
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Come on, he had what, 29 facking matches. Near enough an entire season with cups included.
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its really not, its half a season. you have played 59 games this season so if your 29 is correct then its half a season.
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29 out of 38 is half a season? Epic maths.
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Are you thick?
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
posted 5 minutes ago
yeah , given that I hadnt counted how many games you had played when you said 29 games i didnt know you meant league games specifically, why you have only used that figure I dont know.
hardly important he joined in November, that aint an entire season no matter what way you spin it. And he doesnt have hundreds of millions to spend in the summer FFS.
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Anyway
Cunha
Delap
That'll be over 100 million. That's 100s, no?
Unless those players have now gone out the window due to the Europa loss?
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How much he has will be down to how much we can get back in, plus the £50m that FFP currently allows.
I suspect he will have somewhere around the £120-£150m mark to spend.
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Just want to see some savviness in this window. If the Cunha deal is in installments as rumoured then that's a decent start.
Not convinced by Delap, though I'm not sure what realistic striker options are actually out there.
The last time we beat a team that wasn’t in the bottom three in the league was in January, one of only three we have beaten.
comment by Pun (U21588)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
posted 5 minutes ago
yeah , given that I hadnt counted how many games you had played when you said 29 games i didnt know you meant league games specifically, why you have only used that figure I dont know.
hardly important he joined in November, that aint an entire season no matter what way you spin it. And he doesnt have hundreds of millions to spend in the summer FFS.
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Anyway
Cunha
Delap
That'll be over 100 million. That's 100s, no?
Unless those players have now gone out the window due to the Europa loss?
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How much he has will be down to how much we can get back in, plus the £50m that FFP currently allows.
I suspect he will have somewhere around the £120-£150m mark to spend.
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Just want to see some savviness in this window. If the Cunha deal is in installments as rumoured then that's a decent start.
Not convinced by Delap, though I'm not sure what realistic striker options are actually out there.
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I'd be exploring Osimhen personally. Ideally we would get him on a year long loan with an agreed price should we wish to sign him after that. That would give us some wriggle room to spend in other areas this summer.
comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
posted 20 minutes ago
yeah , given that I hadnt counted how many games you had played when you said 29 games i didnt know you meant league games specifically, why you have only used that figure I dont know.
hardly important he joined in November, that aint an entire season no matter what way you spin it. And he doesnt have hundreds of millions to spend in the summer FFS.
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Anyway
Cunha
Delap
That'll be over 100 million. That's 100s, no?
Unless those players have now gone out the window due to the Europa loss?
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Only Cunha looks to be close to a done deal.
no hundreds of millions would be 200m plus surely? hence the pluralisation.
As Elvis said it will depend on how much you bring in
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
posted 5 minutes ago
yeah , given that I hadnt counted how many games you had played when you said 29 games i didnt know you meant league games specifically, why you have only used that figure I dont know.
hardly important he joined in November, that aint an entire season no matter what way you spin it. And he doesnt have hundreds of millions to spend in the summer FFS.
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Anyway
Cunha
Delap
That'll be over 100 million. That's 100s, no?
Unless those players have now gone out the window due to the Europa loss?
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How much he has will be down to how much we can get back in, plus the £50m that FFP currently allows.
I suspect he will have somewhere around the £120-£150m mark to spend.
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With FFP its not as simple as bringing in £50m gives you £50m to spend. It all depends on the outgoing player's value and whether it is a profit or loss on player trading. Then if the idea is to reduce costs then the cost of the replacement, in amortisation and wages, needs to be less than outgoing, and significantly less if there is a loss in player trading (sale value < amortised value).
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Pun (U21588)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
posted 5 minutes ago
yeah , given that I hadnt counted how many games you had played when you said 29 games i didnt know you meant league games specifically, why you have only used that figure I dont know.
hardly important he joined in November, that aint an entire season no matter what way you spin it. And he doesnt have hundreds of millions to spend in the summer FFS.
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Anyway
Cunha
Delap
That'll be over 100 million. That's 100s, no?
Unless those players have now gone out the window due to the Europa loss?
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How much he has will be down to how much we can get back in, plus the £50m that FFP currently allows.
I suspect he will have somewhere around the £120-£150m mark to spend.
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Just want to see some savviness in this window. If the Cunha deal is in installments as rumoured then that's a decent start.
Not convinced by Delap, though I'm not sure what realistic striker options are actually out there.
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I'd be exploring Osimhen personally. Ideally we would get him on a year long loan with an agreed price should we wish to sign him after that. That would give us some wriggle room to spend in other areas this summer.
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Its defo in Napolis best interest to sell him asap. they wanted t sell last summer but he couldnt agree terms with either Arsenal or Chelsea (forget which one) so arranged a last minute deal to Turkey. Both the player and the club are desperate to part ways
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
posted 5 minutes ago
yeah , given that I hadnt counted how many games you had played when you said 29 games i didnt know you meant league games specifically, why you have only used that figure I dont know.
hardly important he joined in November, that aint an entire season no matter what way you spin it. And he doesnt have hundreds of millions to spend in the summer FFS.
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Anyway
Cunha
Delap
That'll be over 100 million. That's 100s, no?
Unless those players have now gone out the window due to the Europa loss?
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How much he has will be down to how much we can get back in, plus the £50m that FFP currently allows.
I suspect he will have somewhere around the £120-£150m mark to spend.
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With FFP its not as simple as bringing in £50m gives you £50m to spend. It all depends on the outgoing player's value and whether it is a profit or loss on player trading. Then if the idea is to reduce costs then the cost of the replacement, in amortisation and wages, needs to be less than outgoing, and significantly less if there is a loss in player trading (sale value < amortised value).
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Yeh I know all this. Which is why we will likely sell one of Mainoo and Nacho this summer. Probably Nacho after his outburst. Getting rid of Rashford will also be a priority. Perhaps Amass and Collyer too.
If Amorim was manager at any other club you'd all be calling useless and a clown. He's your AVB and will be gone by Christmas if not sooner.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
posted 5 minutes ago
yeah , given that I hadnt counted how many games you had played when you said 29 games i didnt know you meant league games specifically, why you have only used that figure I dont know.
hardly important he joined in November, that aint an entire season no matter what way you spin it. And he doesnt have hundreds of millions to spend in the summer FFS.
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Anyway
Cunha
Delap
That'll be over 100 million. That's 100s, no?
Unless those players have now gone out the window due to the Europa loss?
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How much he has will be down to how much we can get back in, plus the £50m that FFP currently allows.
I suspect he will have somewhere around the £120-£150m mark to spend.
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With FFP its not as simple as bringing in £50m gives you £50m to spend. It all depends on the outgoing player's value and whether it is a profit or loss on player trading. Then if the idea is to reduce costs then the cost of the replacement, in amortisation and wages, needs to be less than outgoing, and significantly less if there is a loss in player trading (sale value < amortised value).
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Yeh I know all this. Which is why we will likely sell one of Mainoo and Nacho this summer. Probably Nacho after his outburst. Getting rid of Rashford will also be a priority. Perhaps Amass and Collyer too.
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But cashing in on youth is a short term fix, and really should be 2nd to getting rid of expensive players.
Casemiro, Antony, Sancho are probably costing you £40/45m of amortisation, even though 2 aren't even playing for you.
Get them off your books and you don't need to sell the likes of nacho, although he seems to be setting bridges on fire
Gotta ask yourself whether you are going to get better players in than Mainoo and Nacho for the money you will make from them. I'd suggest not.
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posted 1 week, 1 day ago
comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
posted 10 seconds ago
29 Pl games. There are 38 games in a season mate.
That's 76%
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well you prob should have said league games at the start and not specify 10 mins into the debate thats what you meant.
posted 1 week, 1 day ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 42 seconds ago
He won’t be the one choosing who we buy and how much we spend. If he’s replaced it’ll still be the same people in charge of doing that.
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The players purchased will be suited for Amorims system. Not rocket science.
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yes they will and will be scouted, analysed and approached by the recruitment team with Amorim having a say and perhaps approving the deal but that will be it.
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If you were a united fan you know this is absolute bollox.
The manager always has the say in recruitment at this club.
There won't be any players bought that Ruben doesn't want. He's been given full control, just as previous managers were.
Do you think Ruben had nothing to do with the Dorgu purchase?
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Is Manutd1982 not a Man Utd fan.
I think Ruben prob let the recruitment team know that LB was a priority position.
The recruitment team would have either used the data they collated already and used it in combination of the budget available and then picked out maybe 2/3 targets and Amorim with the recruitment team would decide over those players together.
You must mental if you thin that Ruben deals with budgets and scouting for players as well as coaching the team.
Managers are more coaches now and the club hires more specific staff to deal with scouting and deals with new players.
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The way that it works is that Amorim identifies the profile of the player he needs. The scouting/recruitment team do their job to identify targets and present them to Amorim and he has the final say over player signings. We don't/won't sign anyone without his approval.
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yup thats pretty much what Im saying.
Ruben will let the team know whatws priority or what he needs now, the team will use the data combined with what they have already got in combinatino with the budget. and Amorim and the recruitment team will together decide which player from the list provided.
posted 1 week, 1 day ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
posted 10 seconds ago
29 Pl games. There are 38 games in a season mate.
That's 76%
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well you prob should have said league games at the start and not specify 10 mins into the debate thats what you meant.
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posted 1 week, 1 day ago
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posted 29 seconds ago
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posted 1 minute ago
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posted 1 minute ago
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posted 10 minutes ago
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posted 37 seconds ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 42 seconds ago
He won’t be the one choosing who we buy and how much we spend. If he’s replaced it’ll still be the same people in charge of doing that.
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The players purchased will be suited for Amorims system. Not rocket science.
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yes they will and will be scouted, analysed and approached by the recruitment team with Amorim having a say and perhaps approving the deal but that will be it.
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If you were a united fan you know this is absolute bollox.
The manager always has the say in recruitment at this club.
There won't be any players bought that Ruben doesn't want. He's been given full control, just as previous managers were.
Do you think Ruben had nothing to do with the Dorgu purchase?
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Is Manutd1982 not a Man Utd fan.
I think Ruben prob let the recruitment team know that LB was a priority position.
The recruitment team would have either used the data they collated already and used it in combination of the budget available and then picked out maybe 2/3 targets and Amorim with the recruitment team would decide over those players together.
You must mental if you thin that Ruben deals with budgets and scouting for players as well as coaching the team.
Managers are more coaches now and the club hires more specific staff to deal with scouting and deals with new players.
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The way that it works is that Amorim identifies the profile of the player he needs. The scouting/recruitment team do their job to identify targets and present them to Amorim and he has the final say over player signings. We don't/won't sign anyone without his approval.
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yup thats pretty much what Im saying.
Ruben will let the team know whatws priority or what he needs now, the team will use the data combined with what they have already got in combinatino with the budget. and Amorim and the recruitment team will together decide which player from the list provided.
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posted 1 week, 1 day ago
Not sure you'll be spending hundreds of millions this summer. No Europe, 16th place finish and a stadium to pay for. Would imagine you are gonna need to sell a lot and get of some of those crazy wages off the books first.
posted 1 week, 1 day ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 1 second ago
Not sure you'll be spending hundreds of millions this summer. No Europe, 16th place finish and a stadium to pay for. Would imagine you are gonna need to sell a lot and get of some of those crazy wages off the books first.
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the club have confirmed that they need to sell to spend. I think it was worked out that Man Utd have about 50m left in the FFP kitty to spend currently.
posted 1 week, 1 day ago
comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
posted 10 seconds ago
29 Pl games. There are 38 games in a season mate.
That's 76%
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well you prob should have said league games at the start and not specify 10 mins into the debate thats what you meant.
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yes it would appear that you do have egg on your face.
I suggest you spend a bit more time researching how your club is run.
posted 1 week, 1 day ago
The bigger issue is whether he is good enough to coach the players at Manchester United. Evidence thus far would suggest not.
posted 1 week, 1 day ago
From a Spurs perspective, the line up last night was very odd.
I think he expected Spurs to sit back and pack the central areas so went for ballers more than pace, and Rasmus as a target rather than a false 9.
There was a clear plan to get crosses in try and cause a bit of panic, and to win cheap freekicks and launch it into the box from anywhere.
There was certainly no tactical sophistication about it but may be that is impacted by the quality he had at his disposal.
Certainly Spurs tactics were limited by the missing all our technical midfielders, while United generally lack that quality altogether.
Mount was largely anonymous but so was Bruno so i think you have to give a bit of respect to Spurs for shutting United down for periods and keeping them at arms length, and not necessarily blame the players and the tactics, because he doesn't have a quality hand to play.
The alternative was to start with what you ended with, pace out wide, a bit more flair in the CM. But in the end, Spurs were just sitting back, clearing it and handing it straight back as they tried to hold what they had.
The guy needs another season and some signings. Even if he is just the fall guy in another year, no-one is going to walk into that squad and turn them into world beaters. These are some first steps in a pretty long journey for Utd. I think you have to accept that and hope the manager gets you to the next level (chasing European places, good domestic cup runs) before you can judge whether he has what it takes to go beyond that and be a contender higher up. Making United great again is not a quick fix.
posted 1 week, 1 day ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
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comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
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comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
posted 10 seconds ago
29 Pl games. There are 38 games in a season mate.
That's 76%
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well you prob should have said league games at the start and not specify 10 mins into the debate thats what you meant.
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yes it would appear that you do have egg on your face.
I suggest you spend a bit more time researching how your club is run.
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It's just pretty easy to figure out mate. I'm talking about the PL season, which contains 38 games. He managed 29 of them.
Do I need to spell it out for you? Jesus wept. Tart.
posted 1 week, 1 day ago
comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
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comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
posted 10 seconds ago
29 Pl games. There are 38 games in a season mate.
That's 76%
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well you prob should have said league games at the start and not specify 10 mins into the debate thats what you meant.
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yes it would appear that you do have egg on your face.
I suggest you spend a bit more time researching how your club is run.
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It's just pretty easy to figure out mate. I'm talking about the PL season, which contains 38 games. He managed 29 of them.
Do I need to spell it out for you? Jesus wept. Tart.
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yeah , given that I hadnt counted how many games you had played when you said 29 games i didnt know you meant league games specifically, why you have only used that figure I dont know.
hardly important he joined in November, that aint an entire season no matter what way you spin it. And he doesnt have hundreds of millions to spend in the summer FFS.
posted 1 week, 1 day ago
yeah , given that I hadnt counted how many games you had played when you said 29 games i didnt know you meant league games specifically, why you have only used that figure I dont know.
hardly important he joined in November, that aint an entire season no matter what way you spin it. And he doesnt have hundreds of millions to spend in the summer FFS.
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Anyway
Cunha
Delap
That'll be over 100 million. That's 100s, no?
Unless those players have now gone out the window due to the Europa loss?
posted 1 week, 1 day ago
There is more to it than just systems. I get that each manager will prefer players to do certain things, but dare I say, it's still just playing football. Players have to adapt etc and most can do that. So it has to come down to Amorim as a coach also. Sporting isn't the same as Utd, but Amorim obviously has talent. Maybe the job is too big for him, maybe after the summer he will have really worked it out better, but the pressure is really on now.
But any players he brings in, like at all clubs, if it goes pear-shaped, the new manager will fancy some and less so others. The important thing is not to overspend in terms of value etc which has got us where we are.
posted 1 week, 1 day ago
comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
posted 5 minutes ago
yeah , given that I hadnt counted how many games you had played when you said 29 games i didnt know you meant league games specifically, why you have only used that figure I dont know.
hardly important he joined in November, that aint an entire season no matter what way you spin it. And he doesnt have hundreds of millions to spend in the summer FFS.
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Anyway
Cunha
Delap
That'll be over 100 million. That's 100s, no?
Unless those players have now gone out the window due to the Europa loss?
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How much he has will be down to how much we can get back in, plus the £50m that FFP currently allows.
I suspect he will have somewhere around the £120-£150m mark to spend.
posted 1 week, 1 day ago
He hasn't had a full season, or preseason. Barring one all those players were at the club.
It is impressive though that you are 100% sure of how to pick the team, which subs to use and when.
Football has never been a game I'm sure about.
Unintended things can often happen.
But it's a team game, to be successful each player has to play to be a part of it. Garnacho for example (who I like) doesn't play got the team, he plays mainly for himself.
However poor Rasmus is he gets no feed from Nacho.
posted 1 week, 1 day ago
comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
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comment by whodunnit (U22710)
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comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 48 seconds ago
and he hasnt had an entire season at all ... he has had 1 winter transfer window to which the club brought in a young cheap LB.
I dont know what was to be expected tbh. you have a very poor squad right now full of over paid players that dont seem to hve any real desire. And 1 transfer window bringing in a LB wasnt gonna change that.
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Come on, he had what, 29 facking matches. Near enough an entire season with cups included.
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its really not, its half a season. you have played 59 games this season so if your 29 is correct then its half a season.
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29 out of 38 is half a season? Epic maths.
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Are you thick?
posted 1 week, 1 day ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
posted 5 minutes ago
yeah , given that I hadnt counted how many games you had played when you said 29 games i didnt know you meant league games specifically, why you have only used that figure I dont know.
hardly important he joined in November, that aint an entire season no matter what way you spin it. And he doesnt have hundreds of millions to spend in the summer FFS.
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Anyway
Cunha
Delap
That'll be over 100 million. That's 100s, no?
Unless those players have now gone out the window due to the Europa loss?
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How much he has will be down to how much we can get back in, plus the £50m that FFP currently allows.
I suspect he will have somewhere around the £120-£150m mark to spend.
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Just want to see some savviness in this window. If the Cunha deal is in installments as rumoured then that's a decent start.
Not convinced by Delap, though I'm not sure what realistic striker options are actually out there.
posted 1 week, 1 day ago
The last time we beat a team that wasn’t in the bottom three in the league was in January, one of only three we have beaten.
posted 1 week, 1 day ago
comment by Pun (U21588)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
posted 5 minutes ago
yeah , given that I hadnt counted how many games you had played when you said 29 games i didnt know you meant league games specifically, why you have only used that figure I dont know.
hardly important he joined in November, that aint an entire season no matter what way you spin it. And he doesnt have hundreds of millions to spend in the summer FFS.
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Anyway
Cunha
Delap
That'll be over 100 million. That's 100s, no?
Unless those players have now gone out the window due to the Europa loss?
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How much he has will be down to how much we can get back in, plus the £50m that FFP currently allows.
I suspect he will have somewhere around the £120-£150m mark to spend.
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Just want to see some savviness in this window. If the Cunha deal is in installments as rumoured then that's a decent start.
Not convinced by Delap, though I'm not sure what realistic striker options are actually out there.
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I'd be exploring Osimhen personally. Ideally we would get him on a year long loan with an agreed price should we wish to sign him after that. That would give us some wriggle room to spend in other areas this summer.
posted 1 week, 1 day ago
comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
posted 20 minutes ago
yeah , given that I hadnt counted how many games you had played when you said 29 games i didnt know you meant league games specifically, why you have only used that figure I dont know.
hardly important he joined in November, that aint an entire season no matter what way you spin it. And he doesnt have hundreds of millions to spend in the summer FFS.
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Anyway
Cunha
Delap
That'll be over 100 million. That's 100s, no?
Unless those players have now gone out the window due to the Europa loss?
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Only Cunha looks to be close to a done deal.
no hundreds of millions would be 200m plus surely? hence the pluralisation.
As Elvis said it will depend on how much you bring in
posted 1 week, 1 day ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
posted 5 minutes ago
yeah , given that I hadnt counted how many games you had played when you said 29 games i didnt know you meant league games specifically, why you have only used that figure I dont know.
hardly important he joined in November, that aint an entire season no matter what way you spin it. And he doesnt have hundreds of millions to spend in the summer FFS.
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Anyway
Cunha
Delap
That'll be over 100 million. That's 100s, no?
Unless those players have now gone out the window due to the Europa loss?
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How much he has will be down to how much we can get back in, plus the £50m that FFP currently allows.
I suspect he will have somewhere around the £120-£150m mark to spend.
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With FFP its not as simple as bringing in £50m gives you £50m to spend. It all depends on the outgoing player's value and whether it is a profit or loss on player trading. Then if the idea is to reduce costs then the cost of the replacement, in amortisation and wages, needs to be less than outgoing, and significantly less if there is a loss in player trading (sale value < amortised value).
posted 1 week, 1 day ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Pun (U21588)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
posted 5 minutes ago
yeah , given that I hadnt counted how many games you had played when you said 29 games i didnt know you meant league games specifically, why you have only used that figure I dont know.
hardly important he joined in November, that aint an entire season no matter what way you spin it. And he doesnt have hundreds of millions to spend in the summer FFS.
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Anyway
Cunha
Delap
That'll be over 100 million. That's 100s, no?
Unless those players have now gone out the window due to the Europa loss?
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How much he has will be down to how much we can get back in, plus the £50m that FFP currently allows.
I suspect he will have somewhere around the £120-£150m mark to spend.
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Just want to see some savviness in this window. If the Cunha deal is in installments as rumoured then that's a decent start.
Not convinced by Delap, though I'm not sure what realistic striker options are actually out there.
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I'd be exploring Osimhen personally. Ideally we would get him on a year long loan with an agreed price should we wish to sign him after that. That would give us some wriggle room to spend in other areas this summer.
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Its defo in Napolis best interest to sell him asap. they wanted t sell last summer but he couldnt agree terms with either Arsenal or Chelsea (forget which one) so arranged a last minute deal to Turkey. Both the player and the club are desperate to part ways
posted 1 week, 1 day ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
posted 5 minutes ago
yeah , given that I hadnt counted how many games you had played when you said 29 games i didnt know you meant league games specifically, why you have only used that figure I dont know.
hardly important he joined in November, that aint an entire season no matter what way you spin it. And he doesnt have hundreds of millions to spend in the summer FFS.
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Anyway
Cunha
Delap
That'll be over 100 million. That's 100s, no?
Unless those players have now gone out the window due to the Europa loss?
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How much he has will be down to how much we can get back in, plus the £50m that FFP currently allows.
I suspect he will have somewhere around the £120-£150m mark to spend.
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With FFP its not as simple as bringing in £50m gives you £50m to spend. It all depends on the outgoing player's value and whether it is a profit or loss on player trading. Then if the idea is to reduce costs then the cost of the replacement, in amortisation and wages, needs to be less than outgoing, and significantly less if there is a loss in player trading (sale value < amortised value).
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Yeh I know all this. Which is why we will likely sell one of Mainoo and Nacho this summer. Probably Nacho after his outburst. Getting rid of Rashford will also be a priority. Perhaps Amass and Collyer too.
posted 1 week, 1 day ago
If Amorim was manager at any other club you'd all be calling useless and a clown. He's your AVB and will be gone by Christmas if not sooner.
posted 1 week, 1 day ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
posted 5 minutes ago
yeah , given that I hadnt counted how many games you had played when you said 29 games i didnt know you meant league games specifically, why you have only used that figure I dont know.
hardly important he joined in November, that aint an entire season no matter what way you spin it. And he doesnt have hundreds of millions to spend in the summer FFS.
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Anyway
Cunha
Delap
That'll be over 100 million. That's 100s, no?
Unless those players have now gone out the window due to the Europa loss?
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How much he has will be down to how much we can get back in, plus the £50m that FFP currently allows.
I suspect he will have somewhere around the £120-£150m mark to spend.
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With FFP its not as simple as bringing in £50m gives you £50m to spend. It all depends on the outgoing player's value and whether it is a profit or loss on player trading. Then if the idea is to reduce costs then the cost of the replacement, in amortisation and wages, needs to be less than outgoing, and significantly less if there is a loss in player trading (sale value < amortised value).
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Yeh I know all this. Which is why we will likely sell one of Mainoo and Nacho this summer. Probably Nacho after his outburst. Getting rid of Rashford will also be a priority. Perhaps Amass and Collyer too.
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But cashing in on youth is a short term fix, and really should be 2nd to getting rid of expensive players.
Casemiro, Antony, Sancho are probably costing you £40/45m of amortisation, even though 2 aren't even playing for you.
Get them off your books and you don't need to sell the likes of nacho, although he seems to be setting bridges on fire
Gotta ask yourself whether you are going to get better players in than Mainoo and Nacho for the money you will make from them. I'd suggest not.
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