Arsenal's performances were rubbish and they were doing badly. And Wenger hasn't won anything for 6 or 7 years now.
We just won something, our performances are regularly good to excellent but our finishing has been abysmal. The progress and direction is obviously a vast improvement over last year and we've replaced half the side. Wenger's been building for years and years and we've only just started.
red_man,
On that note, i must admit i was very surprised to hear that Liverpool have scored more goals than just 5 other Prem clubs. Which, when you look at Suarez (yes, i know he was banned for 5 Prem games (i think)), Bellamy, Carroll & even Kuyt, its a weird stat to have.
redconn
Are you saying that the CC is the reason Kenny is still the right man for the job - or just that its the reason the pundits, the media & the fans have gone easy on him?
he was banned for 9 matches
Chicken (£20m+£6m = £26m) ©™ (U1043)
I think Spurs had a similar problem last year didn't they?
redconn,
he was banned for 9 matches
====================
Well, one was for a normal sending off wasn't it?
And i think i'm right in saying that of the 8 handed out for racism, he only missed 5 Prem matches.
red_man,
Yes, our strikers were very goal shy last season.
Chicken (£20m+£6m = £26m) ©™ (U1043)
"Are you saying that the CC is the reason Kenny is still the right man for the job - or just that its the reason the pundits, the media & the fans have gone easy on him?"
Kenny's the right man for the job because he's got us moving in the right direction. Yes it's not perfect, there are still issues to address, but I'm sure he's aware of that. He's done well in his first full season back. We've won a trophy and play some decent stuff. It'd be a different story, with rival fans and out own, if we'd finish some of the chances and put teams to the sword.
Kenny doesn't get the level of criticism other managers do because he's doing a good job. Week in week out of positive, attacking football, we create a glut of chances, play nearly every side we play off the park, confident and rock solid at the back.
But for some reason the side is facing a plague of no confidence in front of goal when it comes to everything from sitters to penalties.
I can't think of any reason you can criticise Kenny for that.
The progress and direction we're headed is so obviously upward that only someone who deliberately doesn't want to see it would suggest otherwise.
Okay fair enough. Just wondered what your thoughts on it was.
Where did it go wrong then, as in how have Liverpool slipped so far since being more-or-less guaranteed, oe certainly expected, to finish 4th or above?
It cant all be Hodgson's fault.
>>Where did it go wrong then
the curse of players who never had problems finishing before suddenly not being able to. Throughout the entire side.
I can't explain it.
comment by Chicken (£20m+£6m = £26m) &c... (U1043)
posted 13 minutes ago
Okay fair enough. Just wondered what your thoughts on it was.
Where did it go wrong then, as in how have Liverpool slipped so far since being more-or-less guaranteed, oe certainly expected, to finish 4th or above?
It cant all be Hodgson's fault.
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Many factors. Mainly the previous owners. After initially buying the club and landing it with debt, they were able to spend, to get us on a competitive level. However as the interest mounted up and the problems they were having with the manager, who was frustrated, with the lack of backing, when we could have progressed even further, the owners were more interested in themselves, than the club.
Benitez being sacked was a major factor also, with players leaving following his sacking and being replace by Hodgson, who wasn't good enough.
Luckily the club was wrestled away from them.
Whilst suffering these problems, we were unable to attract Champions League players, as we were no longer Champions League standard.
However this years has shown some encouraging signs and to cut a long story short and to give you some ammo, next year is our year.
next year is our year.
====================
For what, a CL placing or better?
comment by Chicken (£20m+£6m = £26m) &c... (U1043)
posted 2 minutes ago
next year is our year.
====================
For what, a CL placing or better?
---------------------------------------------
On a serious note, yes. A Champions League place. To be honest, it is great to win domestic trophis but the Champions League is where we belong, so that is the aim.
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Fred Bassett
Why did you delete my last post instead of replying? You were happy to reply to tell me i was wrong, deluded or whatever.
We spent how long debating about it? the least you can do is be man enough to say "Fair enough, you were right".
Wow Chicken. Not one to let things fester are you?
terminator1
I just think, if you're going to abuse someone as a WUM, deluded, thick & all the other things i got called - and i turn out to be pretty much 100% spot on, i think a bit of credit would be nice.
Poor chicken - still doesn't get the point!
CutMeAndIBleedRed
Poor chicken - still doesn't get the point!
====================
Ah so you're now going for the patronising technique, instead of the insulting way.
Why cant you just grow some balls & say "Ok, its a fair cop, maybe you had a point all along"?
I think my "point" has been pretty much proved to an absolute "T". I dont think i could have been more spot on with my analysis & view point, to be fair.
No - your point has in no way been proved. Go back and read what i wrote during this thread. I think there is even something in there pre-empting this conversation!
The point was not about who got 4th, who was going to get 4th or who was favourite to get 4th - it was about who was in the running! You haven't understood that all along, so I am not being patronising, I am presuming you are having some troubles understanding the concept!
CutMeAndIBleedRed,
The actual converastion was about who was genuine contenders for 4th. If you want to be clever, we could say every club was a contender because mathematically i would imagine most clubs could have finished 4th at the time we were posting.
My view point was that you were not realistic contenders & that Liverpool would fade away well before the 4 top positions really become serious at the business end of the season.
I said this from a neutral point of view, you were saying it from a pro-Liverpool point of view, and i said at the time, it was easier to see this from an outsider looking in.
As i say, and i dont mean this patronisingly either, i would have thought at least one of you, after all the abuse i received throughout, would have been gracious enough to admit that my insight was pretty accurate.
I think you'll agree that it would be very rare that a genuine contender for 4th finishes 8th.
'The actual converastion was about who was genuine contenders for 4th'
And, at the point of the conversation, we were. Simple as that. no more, no less. Just because we didn't get there, does not we weren't contenders. Chelsea were contenders but didn't get 4th - does that mean you were wrong there? No. Fulham were not contenders even though they were mathematically in with a shout!
This has nothing to do with being a Liverpool fan, if you'd asked me the same question a month ago I would have said we had no chance. Things change and that was all we were trying to tell you. Your adamant view that we had no chance is where you went wrong. If you had said - 'Liverpool are contenders, but i personally thing they won't make it' i would have personally had no issue what so ever. It is the 'mystic meg' style of your prediction that are so annoying!
CutMeAndIBleedRed
You're getting confused with contenders & genuine contenders. As i said, all clubs that are mathematically in with a shout could be called contenders, but that wasnt the point.
I think my prediction about Chelsea was pretty close, seeing as they were still in contention up until the penultimate game of the season.
At the start of next season, i doubt you'll be saying Reading are contenders for the title, although at the time of writing they will technically be exactly that.
As i say, it would have been nice for at least one of you to claim that maybe, just maybe, an outsider looking in (like me) might actually have a less biased view on Liverpool being genuine contenders, compared to the fans that idolise their club & want them to be the best.
I think you have to admit that everything i was trying to convince you on has happened (within a whisker here & there).
What i said at the time was that only Liverpool fans thought you were genuine contenders & you are again proving this to be true with your comments.
If you cant admit you were wrong in this debate, you never will admit you're wrong anywhere.
You are hilarious You just don't get it!
We are always contenders to get forth - nothing to do with me being a liverpool fan! Arsenal are always contender to win the title. Sunderland are always contenders to go down. We are there because we regularly get there. Your prediction coming right has ABSOLUTLY NOTHING to do with us being contenders (and genuine ones at that!) You had ABSOLUTELY no way of knowing liverpool wouldn't finish 4th or even close - you guessed it bases on your own anti-liverpool bias if anything!
As time goes by, these things change. Arsenal being mid table 3/4 of the way through means they are not really contenders anymore. Tottenham being 3rd 3/4 of the way through mean they are. What you seem to forget is that Liverpool WERE in 4th at the time of your prediction, so to say they are not genuine contenders AT THAT POINT is nothing short of ridiculous.
I frequently admit I am wrong, it seems to be you that has this difficulty but I'm sure you feel otherwise (as in every thread I have ever read you in!)
Good luck to you - any 'genuine contenders' for the lottery this weekend?!
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posted on 5/3/12
Arsenal's performances were rubbish and they were doing badly. And Wenger hasn't won anything for 6 or 7 years now.
We just won something, our performances are regularly good to excellent but our finishing has been abysmal. The progress and direction is obviously a vast improvement over last year and we've replaced half the side. Wenger's been building for years and years and we've only just started.
posted on 5/3/12
red_man,
On that note, i must admit i was very surprised to hear that Liverpool have scored more goals than just 5 other Prem clubs. Which, when you look at Suarez (yes, i know he was banned for 5 Prem games (i think)), Bellamy, Carroll & even Kuyt, its a weird stat to have.
posted on 5/3/12
redconn
Are you saying that the CC is the reason Kenny is still the right man for the job - or just that its the reason the pundits, the media & the fans have gone easy on him?
posted on 5/3/12
he was banned for 9 matches
posted on 5/3/12
Chicken (£20m+£6m = £26m) ©™ (U1043)
I think Spurs had a similar problem last year didn't they?
posted on 5/3/12
redconn,
he was banned for 9 matches
====================
Well, one was for a normal sending off wasn't it?
And i think i'm right in saying that of the 8 handed out for racism, he only missed 5 Prem matches.
posted on 5/3/12
red_man,
Yes, our strikers were very goal shy last season.
posted on 5/3/12
Chicken (£20m+£6m = £26m) ©™ (U1043)
"Are you saying that the CC is the reason Kenny is still the right man for the job - or just that its the reason the pundits, the media & the fans have gone easy on him?"
Kenny's the right man for the job because he's got us moving in the right direction. Yes it's not perfect, there are still issues to address, but I'm sure he's aware of that. He's done well in his first full season back. We've won a trophy and play some decent stuff. It'd be a different story, with rival fans and out own, if we'd finish some of the chances and put teams to the sword.
posted on 5/3/12
Kenny doesn't get the level of criticism other managers do because he's doing a good job. Week in week out of positive, attacking football, we create a glut of chances, play nearly every side we play off the park, confident and rock solid at the back.
But for some reason the side is facing a plague of no confidence in front of goal when it comes to everything from sitters to penalties.
I can't think of any reason you can criticise Kenny for that.
The progress and direction we're headed is so obviously upward that only someone who deliberately doesn't want to see it would suggest otherwise.
posted on 5/3/12
Okay fair enough. Just wondered what your thoughts on it was.
Where did it go wrong then, as in how have Liverpool slipped so far since being more-or-less guaranteed, oe certainly expected, to finish 4th or above?
It cant all be Hodgson's fault.
posted on 5/3/12
>>Where did it go wrong then
the curse of players who never had problems finishing before suddenly not being able to. Throughout the entire side.
I can't explain it.
posted on 5/3/12
comment by Chicken (£20m+£6m = £26m) &c... (U1043)
posted 13 minutes ago
Okay fair enough. Just wondered what your thoughts on it was.
Where did it go wrong then, as in how have Liverpool slipped so far since being more-or-less guaranteed, oe certainly expected, to finish 4th or above?
It cant all be Hodgson's fault.
--------------------------------------------------
Many factors. Mainly the previous owners. After initially buying the club and landing it with debt, they were able to spend, to get us on a competitive level. However as the interest mounted up and the problems they were having with the manager, who was frustrated, with the lack of backing, when we could have progressed even further, the owners were more interested in themselves, than the club.
Benitez being sacked was a major factor also, with players leaving following his sacking and being replace by Hodgson, who wasn't good enough.
Luckily the club was wrestled away from them.
Whilst suffering these problems, we were unable to attract Champions League players, as we were no longer Champions League standard.
However this years has shown some encouraging signs and to cut a long story short and to give you some ammo, next year is our year.
posted on 5/3/12
next year is our year.
====================
For what, a CL placing or better?
posted on 5/3/12
comment by Chicken (£20m+£6m = £26m) &c... (U1043)
posted 2 minutes ago
next year is our year.
====================
For what, a CL placing or better?
---------------------------------------------
On a serious note, yes. A Champions League place. To be honest, it is great to win domestic trophis but the Champions League is where we belong, so that is the aim.
posted on 2/4/12
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posted on 14/5/12
Fred Bassett
Why did you delete my last post instead of replying? You were happy to reply to tell me i was wrong, deluded or whatever.
We spent how long debating about it? the least you can do is be man enough to say "Fair enough, you were right".
posted on 14/5/12
Wow Chicken. Not one to let things fester are you?
posted on 14/5/12
terminator1
I just think, if you're going to abuse someone as a WUM, deluded, thick & all the other things i got called - and i turn out to be pretty much 100% spot on, i think a bit of credit would be nice.
posted on 15/5/12
Poor chicken - still doesn't get the point!
posted on 15/5/12
CutMeAndIBleedRed
Poor chicken - still doesn't get the point!
====================
Ah so you're now going for the patronising technique, instead of the insulting way.
Why cant you just grow some balls & say "Ok, its a fair cop, maybe you had a point all along"?
I think my "point" has been pretty much proved to an absolute "T". I dont think i could have been more spot on with my analysis & view point, to be fair.
posted on 15/5/12
No - your point has in no way been proved. Go back and read what i wrote during this thread. I think there is even something in there pre-empting this conversation!
The point was not about who got 4th, who was going to get 4th or who was favourite to get 4th - it was about who was in the running! You haven't understood that all along, so I am not being patronising, I am presuming you are having some troubles understanding the concept!
posted on 15/5/12
CutMeAndIBleedRed,
The actual converastion was about who was genuine contenders for 4th. If you want to be clever, we could say every club was a contender because mathematically i would imagine most clubs could have finished 4th at the time we were posting.
My view point was that you were not realistic contenders & that Liverpool would fade away well before the 4 top positions really become serious at the business end of the season.
I said this from a neutral point of view, you were saying it from a pro-Liverpool point of view, and i said at the time, it was easier to see this from an outsider looking in.
As i say, and i dont mean this patronisingly either, i would have thought at least one of you, after all the abuse i received throughout, would have been gracious enough to admit that my insight was pretty accurate.
I think you'll agree that it would be very rare that a genuine contender for 4th finishes 8th.
posted on 15/5/12
'The actual converastion was about who was genuine contenders for 4th'
And, at the point of the conversation, we were. Simple as that. no more, no less. Just because we didn't get there, does not we weren't contenders. Chelsea were contenders but didn't get 4th - does that mean you were wrong there? No. Fulham were not contenders even though they were mathematically in with a shout!
This has nothing to do with being a Liverpool fan, if you'd asked me the same question a month ago I would have said we had no chance. Things change and that was all we were trying to tell you. Your adamant view that we had no chance is where you went wrong. If you had said - 'Liverpool are contenders, but i personally thing they won't make it' i would have personally had no issue what so ever. It is the 'mystic meg' style of your prediction that are so annoying!
posted on 15/5/12
CutMeAndIBleedRed
You're getting confused with contenders & genuine contenders. As i said, all clubs that are mathematically in with a shout could be called contenders, but that wasnt the point.
I think my prediction about Chelsea was pretty close, seeing as they were still in contention up until the penultimate game of the season.
At the start of next season, i doubt you'll be saying Reading are contenders for the title, although at the time of writing they will technically be exactly that.
As i say, it would have been nice for at least one of you to claim that maybe, just maybe, an outsider looking in (like me) might actually have a less biased view on Liverpool being genuine contenders, compared to the fans that idolise their club & want them to be the best.
I think you have to admit that everything i was trying to convince you on has happened (within a whisker here & there).
What i said at the time was that only Liverpool fans thought you were genuine contenders & you are again proving this to be true with your comments.
If you cant admit you were wrong in this debate, you never will admit you're wrong anywhere.
posted on 15/5/12
You are hilarious You just don't get it!
We are always contenders to get forth - nothing to do with me being a liverpool fan! Arsenal are always contender to win the title. Sunderland are always contenders to go down. We are there because we regularly get there. Your prediction coming right has ABSOLUTLY NOTHING to do with us being contenders (and genuine ones at that!) You had ABSOLUTELY no way of knowing liverpool wouldn't finish 4th or even close - you guessed it bases on your own anti-liverpool bias if anything!
As time goes by, these things change. Arsenal being mid table 3/4 of the way through means they are not really contenders anymore. Tottenham being 3rd 3/4 of the way through mean they are. What you seem to forget is that Liverpool WERE in 4th at the time of your prediction, so to say they are not genuine contenders AT THAT POINT is nothing short of ridiculous.
I frequently admit I am wrong, it seems to be you that has this difficulty but I'm sure you feel otherwise (as in every thread I have ever read you in!)
Good luck to you - any 'genuine contenders' for the lottery this weekend?!
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