Chicken. When losing an arguement fall back on the old cliche's. What has 'stop living in the past' got to do with this?
terentius1
Chicken. They are the outsiders on this particular day. This is changing on a weekly basis, so to base finishing positions on todays table is pretty silly wouldn't you say?
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No, because its all we have to base it on for now.
I imagine you would agree that Spurs will not win the league. Well, by your secanrio on Liverpool, this doesnt add up. We were just 3pts off until the Wolves game.
Either you believe :
Spurs can win the league & Liverpool can get 4th (based on form)
Or:
You think the table doesn't lie.
Which is it?
Oh & Fred, i'm not a WUM...you should know that.
terentius1
The "stop living in the past" comment was aimed at the poster who has been dishing out the insults non-stop since arriving on this debate, after about 90 posts.
If the poster cant take it, then he shouldnt dish it out.
Fair?
Spurs can win the league & Liverpool can get 4th (based on form)
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Based on the fact that Spurs have been at full tilt all season so far and Liverpool have been crap, that tells me that there is more room for improvement for Liverpool and therefore IF we improve we will get fourth.
Also our competition is far more inconsistent. We're competing with an inconsistent Arsenal, Chelsea and Newcastle whereas you're competiting with an awesome City side and United who are the kings of consistency.
Therefore I think we have a far higher chance of finished 4th than you do of winning the title.
there's a big difference
to win the league you'll have to top city. No one really thinks any team can do that
to get 4th all the sides other than City and Manu are all very capable of a patch of bad form
So you are saying that last week we had a shout but this week the tables proves otherwise? Is that the finally table? No! We have many weeks to go when we can go up and down, as we have been. So, in conclusion, it would take a seriously stupid fool with no knowledge of football to say we have no chance of 4th when just 1 week ago, by your reckoning, we would have had a chance!!!
' Either you believe :
Spurs can win the league & Liverpool can get 4th (based on form)
Or:
You think the table doesn't lie.
Which is it?'
The former - oohhh shot you down in flames! I believe both are possible, I think us getting forth is more likely, not based on the current table, cos you could be top now for all I care, but on the based on the squads (as in how this will affect the FUTURE games), form (and how this will affect the FUTURE games) and games to go (as in games not played yet!) mean City or United are much more likely to win.
as a side note, from March onward our fixtures look fantastic.
'If the poster cant take it, then he shouldnt dish it out.'
I can take it........but it has nothing to do with what I have said!
redconn
to win the league you'll have to top city. No one really thinks any team can do that
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For the record, i dont think we have a chance of the title.
My point is, ive been consistently nit-picked at on this article for basing my opinion on the current table, because there is another 17 games to play.
I have been mocked for using the current table for what i consider to be realistic & reasonable predictions, but then i'm told that "anything can happen".
But when i so much as mention Spurs could progrsss in the 2nd half of the season, this idea is shot down.
Its just a tad biased & hypocritical.
You cant base an argument on one scenario but then mock the same scenario for Spurs (or anyone else). In short, Liverpool are likely to have a better last 17 games than anyone else.
Can you see how biased this is?
I've not said anywhere that Spurs cannot win the league. Can they? Yes. Will they? Imo no. This is not based on current league positions, but on the fact City are a lot stronger than everyone else and I think will last the season out. You said yourself that Spurs were only 3 points off the top until the Wolves game. Backs up what I say about the table changing weekly and not being able to look ton ear ahead based on todays table.
redconn
as a side note, from March onward our fixtures look fantastic.
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Same here (apart from Chelsea away).
I have been mocked for using the current table for what i consider to be realistic & reasonable predictions, but then i'm told that "anything can happen".
But you must see how ridiculous your granular vision is when just ONE game ago, your prediction method would have had us as contenders for forth?!
terentius1
One minute you're basing your opinion on current form (Spurs wont topple City, City are too strong), the next you want to base it on "anything can happen" & Liverpool can make up the ground (even though they dont look strong enough on current form).
Can you see the flaws in your post (i mean this in a nice way - not a patronising way)?
CutMeAndIBleedRed,
If you read my posts properly, i dont have us as contenders for the title, hence i also dont have you contenders for 4th (which was the point i was making).
My point was actually the flipside though, with you's claiming we have no chance of the title (which i agree) but you can (apparently) easily make up 5pts to 4th, by leapfrogging 3 teams.
Its good to be loyal but you have to realistic.
So what you're saying Chicken, is that it's just as easy to leapfrog Chelsea, Arsenal and Newcastle as it is to leapfrog City and United?
I'm not basing anything on current form. Me saying City are stronger than Spurs is based on their squad, which as we all know cost a hell of a lot more than anyone else's. I don't believe that there's as much a gap between the squad strengths of the teams fighting for fourth as there is between the top three. I just cannot see how you can make a long term prediction based on todays tables. Its mad. You're basically saying that everyone's form is going to stay exactly the same for the rest of the season.
'If you read my posts properly' - irony!!
ME: 'I believe both are possible', 'I think us getting forth is more likely', 'City or United are much more likely to win.'
YOU: 'with you's claiming we have no chance of the title'
I am saying we need to leapfrog two teams who are as inconsistent as us and another who many feel are in a bit of a false position at the moment but you need to beat a team who have been consistently strong finishers for the last 20 years and a team with a very, very strong squad riding high on confidence.
I am both loyal and realistic!
'But you must see how ridiculous your granular vision is when just ONE game ago, your prediction method would have had us as contenders for forth?!'
And you didn't answer this!
terentius1
I just cannot see how you can make a long term prediction based on todays tables. Its mad. You're basically saying that everyone's form is going to stay exactly the same for the rest of the season.
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What else do you suggest we make our predictions from?
Its the same with anything, whether its sport, the stocks & shares, the political party polls etc. We can only base realistic predictions on the current status & tables.
Whilst there will always be odd games & surprises, the table will not change ridiculously. I cant remember the last time anyone outside the Top 6 in February made it to 4th place, which is another stat we would be foolish not to take into consideration.
I'm not saying Liverpool should give up, but you have to remember (admit) that the odds are against them at this time, based on the evidence that we have got to hand.
CutMeAndIBleedRed,
'But you must see how ridiculous your granular vision is when just ONE game ago, your prediction method would have had us as contenders for forth?!'
And you didn't answer this!
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But as it stands, you are not.
I hope this answers your point.
Chicken mate.
You really need to get laid!
I wouldn't want you looking after my investments Chicken! Don't you think everyone would be putting their life savings into the stock market if you based it on todays results? Why don't you go down to the bookies and bet your mortgage on the league table being the same at the end of the season? I guarantee you the odds you would get would make you unbelievably rich! Does that not tell you something?
Fred
I take it you dont have a reply to my post then?
'But as it stands, you are not.
I hope this answers your point.'
Yes it does - once again it confirms you know nothing about football - cheers
You are contradicting yourself. On form, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool and Newcastle have all been flurting around the 4th place, yet on ONE particular week, you decide to pick 3 and say it's out of them?! If the form says it's between 4, way cut to three for a given week?!
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posted on 18/1/12
Chicken. When losing an arguement fall back on the old cliche's. What has 'stop living in the past' got to do with this?
posted on 18/1/12
terentius1
Chicken. They are the outsiders on this particular day. This is changing on a weekly basis, so to base finishing positions on todays table is pretty silly wouldn't you say?
=======================
No, because its all we have to base it on for now.
I imagine you would agree that Spurs will not win the league. Well, by your secanrio on Liverpool, this doesnt add up. We were just 3pts off until the Wolves game.
Either you believe :
Spurs can win the league & Liverpool can get 4th (based on form)
Or:
You think the table doesn't lie.
Which is it?
Oh & Fred, i'm not a WUM...you should know that.
posted on 18/1/12
terentius1
The "stop living in the past" comment was aimed at the poster who has been dishing out the insults non-stop since arriving on this debate, after about 90 posts.
If the poster cant take it, then he shouldnt dish it out.
Fair?
posted on 18/1/12
Spurs can win the league & Liverpool can get 4th (based on form)
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Based on the fact that Spurs have been at full tilt all season so far and Liverpool have been crap, that tells me that there is more room for improvement for Liverpool and therefore IF we improve we will get fourth.
Also our competition is far more inconsistent. We're competing with an inconsistent Arsenal, Chelsea and Newcastle whereas you're competiting with an awesome City side and United who are the kings of consistency.
Therefore I think we have a far higher chance of finished 4th than you do of winning the title.
posted on 18/1/12
there's a big difference
to win the league you'll have to top city. No one really thinks any team can do that
to get 4th all the sides other than City and Manu are all very capable of a patch of bad form
posted on 18/1/12
So you are saying that last week we had a shout but this week the tables proves otherwise? Is that the finally table? No! We have many weeks to go when we can go up and down, as we have been. So, in conclusion, it would take a seriously stupid fool with no knowledge of football to say we have no chance of 4th when just 1 week ago, by your reckoning, we would have had a chance!!!
' Either you believe :
Spurs can win the league & Liverpool can get 4th (based on form)
Or:
You think the table doesn't lie.
Which is it?'
The former - oohhh shot you down in flames! I believe both are possible, I think us getting forth is more likely, not based on the current table, cos you could be top now for all I care, but on the based on the squads (as in how this will affect the FUTURE games), form (and how this will affect the FUTURE games) and games to go (as in games not played yet!) mean City or United are much more likely to win.
posted on 18/1/12
as a side note, from March onward our fixtures look fantastic.
posted on 18/1/12
'If the poster cant take it, then he shouldnt dish it out.'
I can take it........but it has nothing to do with what I have said!
posted on 18/1/12
redconn
to win the league you'll have to top city. No one really thinks any team can do that
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For the record, i dont think we have a chance of the title.
My point is, ive been consistently nit-picked at on this article for basing my opinion on the current table, because there is another 17 games to play.
I have been mocked for using the current table for what i consider to be realistic & reasonable predictions, but then i'm told that "anything can happen".
But when i so much as mention Spurs could progrsss in the 2nd half of the season, this idea is shot down.
Its just a tad biased & hypocritical.
You cant base an argument on one scenario but then mock the same scenario for Spurs (or anyone else). In short, Liverpool are likely to have a better last 17 games than anyone else.
Can you see how biased this is?
posted on 18/1/12
I've not said anywhere that Spurs cannot win the league. Can they? Yes. Will they? Imo no. This is not based on current league positions, but on the fact City are a lot stronger than everyone else and I think will last the season out. You said yourself that Spurs were only 3 points off the top until the Wolves game. Backs up what I say about the table changing weekly and not being able to look ton ear ahead based on todays table.
posted on 18/1/12
redconn
as a side note, from March onward our fixtures look fantastic.
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Same here (apart from Chelsea away).
posted on 18/1/12
I have been mocked for using the current table for what i consider to be realistic & reasonable predictions, but then i'm told that "anything can happen".
But you must see how ridiculous your granular vision is when just ONE game ago, your prediction method would have had us as contenders for forth?!
posted on 18/1/12
*too far
posted on 18/1/12
terentius1
One minute you're basing your opinion on current form (Spurs wont topple City, City are too strong), the next you want to base it on "anything can happen" & Liverpool can make up the ground (even though they dont look strong enough on current form).
Can you see the flaws in your post (i mean this in a nice way - not a patronising way)?
posted on 18/1/12
CutMeAndIBleedRed,
If you read my posts properly, i dont have us as contenders for the title, hence i also dont have you contenders for 4th (which was the point i was making).
My point was actually the flipside though, with you's claiming we have no chance of the title (which i agree) but you can (apparently) easily make up 5pts to 4th, by leapfrogging 3 teams.
Its good to be loyal but you have to realistic.
posted on 18/1/12
So what you're saying Chicken, is that it's just as easy to leapfrog Chelsea, Arsenal and Newcastle as it is to leapfrog City and United?
posted on 18/1/12
I'm not basing anything on current form. Me saying City are stronger than Spurs is based on their squad, which as we all know cost a hell of a lot more than anyone else's. I don't believe that there's as much a gap between the squad strengths of the teams fighting for fourth as there is between the top three. I just cannot see how you can make a long term prediction based on todays tables. Its mad. You're basically saying that everyone's form is going to stay exactly the same for the rest of the season.
posted on 18/1/12
'If you read my posts properly' - irony!!
ME: 'I believe both are possible', 'I think us getting forth is more likely', 'City or United are much more likely to win.'
YOU: 'with you's claiming we have no chance of the title'
I am saying we need to leapfrog two teams who are as inconsistent as us and another who many feel are in a bit of a false position at the moment but you need to beat a team who have been consistently strong finishers for the last 20 years and a team with a very, very strong squad riding high on confidence.
I am both loyal and realistic!
posted on 18/1/12
'But you must see how ridiculous your granular vision is when just ONE game ago, your prediction method would have had us as contenders for forth?!'
And you didn't answer this!
posted on 18/1/12
terentius1
I just cannot see how you can make a long term prediction based on todays tables. Its mad. You're basically saying that everyone's form is going to stay exactly the same for the rest of the season.
========================
What else do you suggest we make our predictions from?
Its the same with anything, whether its sport, the stocks & shares, the political party polls etc. We can only base realistic predictions on the current status & tables.
Whilst there will always be odd games & surprises, the table will not change ridiculously. I cant remember the last time anyone outside the Top 6 in February made it to 4th place, which is another stat we would be foolish not to take into consideration.
I'm not saying Liverpool should give up, but you have to remember (admit) that the odds are against them at this time, based on the evidence that we have got to hand.
posted on 18/1/12
CutMeAndIBleedRed,
'But you must see how ridiculous your granular vision is when just ONE game ago, your prediction method would have had us as contenders for forth?!'
And you didn't answer this!
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But as it stands, you are not.
I hope this answers your point.
posted on 18/1/12
Chicken mate.
You really need to get laid!
posted on 18/1/12
I wouldn't want you looking after my investments Chicken! Don't you think everyone would be putting their life savings into the stock market if you based it on todays results? Why don't you go down to the bookies and bet your mortgage on the league table being the same at the end of the season? I guarantee you the odds you would get would make you unbelievably rich! Does that not tell you something?
posted on 18/1/12
Fred
I take it you dont have a reply to my post then?
posted on 18/1/12
'But as it stands, you are not.
I hope this answers your point.'
Yes it does - once again it confirms you know nothing about football - cheers
You are contradicting yourself. On form, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool and Newcastle have all been flurting around the 4th place, yet on ONE particular week, you decide to pick 3 and say it's out of them?! If the form says it's between 4, way cut to three for a given week?!
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