Mini holte :

1. I believe that THFC PLC want the WHL development back on track.

2. That Levy *individually* would like the OS.

3. That because the JR is at the behest of the *PLC* (Levy is NOT the PLC - I assume you understand this basic point) , even if the WHU bid is shown to be a sham and the OS was offered to the PLC, they would not take it.

Do you understand the above (no matter how many times I cut/paste) ??

The only delusion here is you, and your belief that you understand to the letter the aims and machinations of a major PLC. But to be fair to you, more credible than WHU being in the PL in 2013/14.

It reminds me more of Don King, KFC, the Churchill dog (oh yes) .

Daniel Levy does not want the Olympic Stadium. Unbelievable.

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we need to improve our adapability here.

note to self - must have a plan B.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CezuYq089A&feature=related

You still have things to say on this topic? Perhaps you should minimise the effects of what you have said and say no more.

Daniel Levy does not want the Olympic Stadium. Wow!!

JJFlash

Why has the Council committed to such a venture with a football club?

- West Ham are the only one big club in east London inhibited to 3 million people.

- West Ham's revenues/debts are not worse than some of the clubs in northern England.

Mini Holte :

How many times do you have to be told, any interest in Stratford is in the *SITE* , not the stadium. The stadium would be reduced to a pile of ash as per the Spurs development proposal.

We don't our fans to need telescopes to watch our team, just so that we can pick up a stadium for nothing.

Meanwhile, feel free to answer all the points that are coming in about that prudent WHU bid tender ...

Mossad, "Why has the Council committed to such a venture with a football club?"

Maybe it had something to do with "dozens of gifts" given by WHU to Sir Robin Wales and that some council members didn't want to miss out on "lucrative positions"

You still here? Unbelievable. Your credibility has taken a bit of a whack. Whether you wish to see that is up to you.

"West Ham are the only one big club in east London inhibited to 3 million people."

Which doesn't appear to translate to an increased supporter demographic. I would expect to see a similar waiting list for WHUs season ticket list akin to Spurs much contested one.

Or is the demographic based on a new breed of plastics who are literally waiting for a new stadium to sit in, rather than the club to win something.


"West Ham's revenues/debts are not worse than some of the clubs in northern England"

The aim is to not be in the financial mire, not to boast you have a fiver more than someone who is on the verge of bankruptcy.

Not really a great case you're arguing for one of the most financially striken councils in the UK, to be undertaking such a venture. Especially in the current economic climatel

Mini Holte :

Don't bore us any more with your delusions.
If are incapable of answering the points put to you (for whatever reasons) , merely say so and we are more than gracious enough to let it go (to spare you further embarrassment) .

Are you incapable of answering the points put to you ?? yes or no will suffice.

You have been given a chance to save face, but keep plodding on. You've asked for it...

Mini Holte :

I've asked for plenty of info on how the financially stricken council of Newham can undertake a loan arrangement with a debt-stricken football club, and why councillors of that council were presented with an A4 sheet of paper as the "sum total" of the details of the WHU bid.

I keep asking "for it" , but I don't get given it by you. Go to bed sonny, you are talking financial stuff with one of them "grown ups" you hear about from the kids in the year above you ...

Even if the woman concerned is guilty of wrongdoing, 14 members of the OPLC voted unanimously to give the OS to West Ham. She is a mere employee of the OPLC, and not one of the voting 14 members. How much influence could she have had on the process?

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What a stupid comment to make, any impropriety puts the whole process in doubt.

If this woman for instance provided m,ateria to the rest of the OLP board, of course this could influence them. She may also have had access to information which would be valuable to WHU's bid.

Why did they pay her £20k?

If she has done nothing wrong, why has she been suspended?

I personally think that Newham & WHU are up to their necks in the mire & that further revelations will come out this week......................

For anyone surprised tha Spurs have hired investigators etc, this is standard practice in industry. Kroll, which is a top international company specialising in security & investigation work for many organisations including Sky, IBM, Microsoft, Ford & in some cases governments!

RDBD.........................Agree with you, the Council were only told about this "loan arrangement" 30 minutes before the meeting to approve it. As most of them needed to keep in with the Mayor, in order to keep their £40k a year jobs, they went along with it despite not really understanding it.

that should read material!!

Incidentally, she was not just an employee, she was a Director!!

geniusgreaves: My point is, if the process has to start again, the fact that 14 OPLC members voted for West Ham without any undue pressure, then surely they will vote the same way again. Levy would simply have wasted more resources and provided more custard pies to West Ham fans to throw at Tottenham.

The WH director who has been suspended used to work for Newham as Communications Director. Make of that what you will.

myhammers......................

y point is, if the process has to start again, the fact that 14 OPLC members voted for West Ham without any undue pressure, then surely they will vote the same way again. Levy would simply have wasted more resources and provided more custard pies to West Ham fans to throw at Tottenham.
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Surely that is the crux of the matter..............................we do not know what, if any, undue pressure was applied in this process. Neither do we know what discussions took place between this lady & other Directors regarding the Stadium.

It is highly irregular for the OPLC to have a Director who is also contracted to one of the bidding parties. The fact she hid this from the OPLC is in itself highly suspicious.

And as above, interesting that she also used to work for Newham Council....................................................

Another question springs to mind, why have WHU suspended her partner if all this is above board??????

I am not particularly interested in either sets of fans slinging custard pies at each other, I am in favour of things being done in a fair & equitable manner. This process does not appear to have followed that route, indeed I believe that it has now been a tainted process & at the very least an independent investigation should take place.

I was fairly ambivelant towards Spurs moving to the OS in the first place, however should it be proven that things were indeed illegal in this process, then I would support us moving there.

And if there is proof of bribery & underhand dealings by Newham & WHU, my own feelings would lean towards not only prison sentences, but also to WHU being expelled from the league under the current regulations, this is possible.

Before you come back at me re Harry, let me tell you that if he is guilty of any crimes, then I support whatever punishment he gets.

Myhammers

The OPLC has confirmed that Ms Knight had absolutely no involvement in the bidding process and secret cash was not paid to her. Her work was very transparent and the bidding process was never compromised.

Even if this OPLC employee has broken the rules, so what? Does it make any difference to the fact that all the 14 (?) members of the OPLC voted unanimously in favour of West Ham? It's not like it was a close-run majority decision.

Or are Tottenham suggesting this woman (who deserves to be sacked for naivety alone) nobbled the OPLC members? A serious allegation, similar to their suggestion the OPLC, London Mayor and 2 govt ministers did not follow the correct bidding process procedure and were biased against Tottenham.

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Firstly, this lady did not need to have had access to the bidding process, however her inside knowledge of the way things are done at the OPLC would have been invaluable. Her contact with other key Directors would have been detailed & regular in view of her position.

Secondly the mere fact that WHU were paying a Director of the OPLC creates an air of suspicion, even if entirely innocent.

Thirdly, your comment indicating it is not relevant if she broke the rules as all 14 members of the Board voted for WHU is ridiculous. Of course it matters if the rules are broken, it calls into question the whole integrity of the process and of members of the Board. Who knows who she might have been able to influence.

There is an old saying with Juries for instance, that one or two strong individuals can sway the other 10 or 11 jurors to support their views. This would also apply to Board meetings, especially if one of thse Board members is the Mayor of Newham, who himself received £42,000 worth of gifts from WHU.

Fourthly, the OPLC stated that secret money was not paid to this lady, well it was certainly money they did not know anything about until this blew up!!

Finally, your comment re the government ministers and The Mayor of London shows a lack of understanding on how things work.

They would not know the intricate details of any of the bids, they would rely on their advisers to outline the key points & then go from there.

Having dealt with the Mayors Office office whilst at the ODA, they only know what they are told.............................................

genuis - It was the WH director that used to work for Newham. I don't know about the woman but wouldn't put it past this nest of vipers.

ddd............................thanks for that.

Either way, it certainly smells of rotten fish from where I am standing!!

Myhammers......................................................you really do need to take off the blinkers, you cannot have people working for both sides (however innocent it might be) when so much money & interest is involved.

At best WHU & this woman have behaved in a very stupid fashion, at worst..............................................well that is something we will surely find out.

Now that the Times have alerted other papers, you can rest assured that they will be digging into every corner & crevice to find more information.

GG If you want blinkered try this for size

http://www.kumb.com/story.php?id=125448

In the above they whinge that it was only £1800 she took before the result and only a few grand after the result was known..................They also moan that we used dirty tricks to catch them out on their dirty tricks

Squid.......................................................not surprised, its a heavily loaded hammers site.

And attacking us is the oldest trick when you have been caught with your hand in the till........................................

If it turns out that they were using her to get information on the OS procedures etc, then Gold, Sullivan & Brady should be charged with conspiracy to defraud & if convicted banned from participating in football for life.

West Ham should then be punished by banishment to the Conference.

Oh and compensation should be paid for the monies we spent on our bid!!

and Avram Grant should be reinstated

geniusgreaves: There is an awful lot of conjecture and "what ifs" in your post. We are told this lady's salary is £84,000. And the payment to her is £1868. Does it make sense for her to do what it is being alleged she did? Is that paltry sum what it takes to acquire the £500m OS? I would have enough faith in the 14 OPLC members to have made up their own minds.

I do think it's simply a case of her and West Ham being unprofessional, naive and stupid. That's the way the club has always been run. And she deserves to be suspended or even sacked.

I honestly believe our bid won on merit. I would have no problem with the bidding process starting again. Let Levy waste more money and subject Tottenham to more ridicule as being greedy opportunists.

And perhaps there should be an investigation into Tottenham's underhand tactics. Levy's desperation to leave WHL for the OS is becoming even greater. I can fully understand why he wants it, but he needs to accept that, despite his best efforts, the OS has been given to West Ham. He should now focus on the hope that hundreds of millions of taxpayers' money will be given to Tottenham so that they can build a new Premiership stadium in Haringey. That should be interesting!