I'm looking forward to all the Ox comparisons
Looks a great prospect, just hope he can make the jump up to the prem.
Arsene – not sure how much you have seen of Powell but he is nothing like Oxlade-Chamberlain. He is taller and of quite a big build for an 18 year old – doesn’t have as much pace and tends to play in behind a main striker rather than out on the wing a dribbler more in the david silva/juan mata way rather than a winger like robben or ribery.
I find it quite an odd signing as many have pointed out its not an area we need another youngster in – I don’t think we really need another striker at all but some will say “what if Rooney and/or welbeck gets injured” and I suppose in that case it may be sensible to have back-up but to have an 18 year old as that back-up when he himself isn’t and “out and out striker” at a cost of 8million doesn’t seem good business
im not sure about this, i mean we have just agrred to sign Kagawa for an initial 4 million pound more than this kid
8 million is a lot to spend on someone who hasnt even played in the championship!!!!!!!
i hope im proved wrong but to me it seems a lot.
The article says 6 million not 8! Still alot of money though!
I was píssed off when I heard we were missing out on him but then I heard the deal could rise to as high as £8M. No thanks!!!
It highlights the problem with buying English players unfortunately, they just cost too much money.
First off no one knows the price yet, but even if it could eventually reach 8m that could still prove a bargain if you know anything about the lad, his pedigree,mid past performances and his potential.
Secondly those talking about his position off the main striker are correct in terms of his preference but he's much more versatile than that.
Thirdly those talking about not needing a youngster in that position seem to forget we sold Morrison, so you could argue SAF has replaced that player albeit they have different assets. Kagawa still would have come if Morrison had remained at the club IMO, so think of it as the Morrison money plus a bit extra for the great attitude.
Lastly from what I've seen of the lad and what I'm told by friends who are season ticket holders in that division he does have a bit of Gerrard about him. I've seen similar things written re that as well. Obviously he has a long way to go but if he's anything like that no one will be moaning about even the max price being talked about which would oly be paid if he was a big success.
First off no one knows the price yet, but even if it could eventually reach 8m that could still prove a bargain if you know anything about the lad, his pedigree,mid past performances and his potential.
Secondly those talking about his position off the main striker are correct in terms of his preference but he's much more versatile than that.
Thirdly those talking about not needing a youngster in that position seem to forget we sold Morrison, so you could argue SAF has replaced that player albeit they have different assets. Kagawa still would have come if Morrison had remained at the club IMO, so think of it as the Morrison money plus a bit extra for the great attitude.
Lastly from what I've seen of the lad and what I'm told by friends who are season ticket holders in that division he does have a bit of Gerrard about him. I've seen similar things written re that as well. Obviously he has a long way to go but if he's anything like that no one will be moaning about even the max price being talked about which would oly be paid if he was a big success.
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you seem to know a lot of people who know a lot of things
the fact is, if the fee being knocked about is true, then thats up to 8 million pound spent on an unproven youngster, in the 3rd tier of english football who's favoured position is where Rooney, Kagawa and Young play or can play.
im not saying the kid doesnt have talent, but the 3 players mentioned above have plenty of years left in them, so how much playing time is powell going to get over the next 3 or 4 years???
for me thats 8 million pound that would be better spent elsewhere.
what will probably end up happening is we will sign him, he will spend a couple of years in the reserves, playing in carling cup games or be on the fringe.
in the meantime we will sign other players over this time to play in midfield, and as seems to be happening a lot with our youngsters, his contract will wind down and we'll lose him for peanuts
agree with everything big dunc has said – we’ve also been linked with Henriques who is playing his football in the Chilean first division who would apparently cost only 3mill. They may be different sorts of players but just goes to shows the kind of premium clubs have to pay for english youngsters. The kid is probably no more talented then Morrison or Pogba and we have let them go for next to nothing…
Morrison not being offered a contract had nothing to do with his talent, it was his attitude that was unacceptable and SAF rightly got rid.
Pogba was totally different and if he refuses to sign a contract the there's very little you can do unless you advocate giving youth/reserve players massive contracts and deal with all the associated problems that would cause across the whole squad, let alone when trying to buy new payers.
No one knows the exact price of Powell, but at least he's performed exceptionally in English football and is unlikely to have problems adapting to a move to Manchester. You can't say an 18 year old Chilean is as likely to integrate culturally etc as well as an English player. Plus in the case of the Chilean those terms were agreed some time ago when he was c15 so the price (if true) is not a fair comparison anyway.
Ultimately English players should be core to a successful English club long term, so the fact the English talent has a premium shouldn't be a shock.
No one knows the exact price of Powell, but at least he's performed exceptionally in English football and is unlikely to have problems adapting to a move to Manchester
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in the third tier of english football
lets put things into perspective here ffs.
its like saying we'll pay 10 million for jordan Rhodes who had a decent season for huddersfield!
im sure he wouldnt be banging in 30 goals a season in the PL.
theres a big step up from the championship to the PL, never mind league 1!
someone might wanna copy and paste this as i think pea blocked me as i didnt agree with one of his opionions once
personally i just think he likes the sound of his own voice and he likes to think he is always right!
plus am i the only one that thinks his stories are a tad far fetched??
i mean we are interested in Powell, and all of a sudden he has watched him a few times and has friends who are season ticket holders at crewe
Pea – I’m not saying there is much we could do in those situations but simply how gutting it is to lose 2 of the best youngsters we have had coming through and have to pay 8mill for someone who may not be any better.
He’s performed well yes – but in the fourth division of english football. It would be interesting to see how our reserve/academy players did in that league to get a better idea of the standard.
I agree english players should be the core – but the premiums aren’t justifiable. If the FA wanted a good english teams they would srap the 90 minute rule and also allow academies to coach players for more than 2/3 hours a day
First of all the figure quoted by both The Sun and The Telegraph is 6m - not the 8m everyone is moaning about.
Secondly, every report I have read has said that the deal will be 2/3m upfront, rising to 5/6m. If the deal is structured in that way then I see no problem with it. It isn't like the 2/3m we spend right now is going to prevent us from purchasing a top class CM or LB.
If we do end up paying the full 5/6m or even 8m that people are crying about, then that indicates that Powell has reached the level required at United. And he will therefore have been worth whatever we have indeed paid for him.
I suspect the same people that are moaning about this potential deal are the same ones who moan that we missed out on Bale, Ox, etc.
comment by duncanedwards_legend (U11713)
in the third tier of english football
lets put things into perspective here ffs.
its like saying we'll pay 10 million for jordan Rhodes who had a decent season for huddersfield!
im sure he wouldnt be banging in 30 goals a season in the PL.
theres a big step up from the championship to the PL, never mind league 1!
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First of all Crewe were playing in LEague 2 - which is the 4th tier of Enlgish football, not 4th.
Second, League 2 is a higher standard than reserve football. Were you against Pogba getting any playing time last season? For an 17 year old to be one of, if not the standout player of the season, is a good achievement.
I suspect the same people that are moaning about this potential deal are the same ones who moan that we missed out on Bale, Ox, etc.
theres a big difference though mate in playing for a team in league 2 ( thought it was actually one) and the PL.
the problem i have is every time we get a promising youngster, we end up letting shoving them in the reserves or let them have a little CC action, then end up losing them for nothing.
it happened with Pogbs, morrsion to an extent (i know he was sold cos of his his attituted, but his contract was nearly up) fryers whose contract is nearly up, and also pettrucci, who i rate better than all the others, and his contract is nearly up.
I would prefer this deal to be that we pay less and let him play another year (or two possibly) at crewe if he isn’t going to come straight into the first team – which I don’t think he will as he is not quite ready and we also have ¾ players vying for the position
comment by duncanedwards_legend (U11713)
posted 1 minute ago
I suspect the same people that are moaning about this potential deal are the same ones who moan that we missed out on Bale, Ox, etc.
theres a big difference though mate in playing for a team in league 2 ( thought it was actually one) and the PL.
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Yes there is a step up to the PL, but it is no bigger than coming from the reserves to the PL. I personally believe that the quality of League 2 is better than the reserves, plus Powell has been mixing it with full grown blokes every week. Ox was playing in League 1 in 2010/11 and he managed to step up into the PL. There is very little between League 1 and League 2 and Powell has stood out at that level. So if Ox can make the step up, why not Powell?
Players like Bale, Ox, Walcott etc. don't come around too often. If you get the chance to sign a good young British talent for a few million then you buy them. As if they make the grade they are likely to stick around for a good few years. At a club like United then will probably stay for their career.
I think people are being way too harsh on pea, what division a player starts in has no relation to his ability or potential. Crewe are a well known source of producing great young English talent thanks largely to Dario Grady and it seems Powell is the pick of the bunch right now. Not every young talent gets snapped up by the big clubs from a very young age, look at Hart at City.
Also pea is right in saying £8m might not be the actual figure as none of us really know and knowing people who are season ticket holders in League 2 isn't that strange, I know a load of people who are season ticket holders in the Championship, League 1 and 2.
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
Also pea is right in saying £8m might not be the actual figure as none of us really know and knowing people who are season ticket holders in League 2 isn't that strange, I know a load of people who are season ticket holders in the Championship, League 1 and 2.
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Totally agree. Found it strange that someone would question whether another poster has friends that are Crewe season ticket holders. Not exactly a huge stretch of the imagination is it?
Quick question: Exactly how much better is powell better than Pogba? How many games did he get with us? How good do you think Pogba would be in a div 1 team?
People keep comparing ox and walcott to him as if fergie has been willing to throw youngsters into his midfield like wenger has been willing to. If pogba was in arsenal he most likely would be anchoring their midfield now.
The biggest joke of this all is the people saying powell could come good are the same people who want us to sign a starting midfielder to join the 7 other ones in our FIRST TEAM! How is this going to work? The rotation situation is already ridiculous and you think adding an 18 yr old is what is best for the team AND the youngster? Get real... 8 million is money that could be easily wasted following our track record with young midfielders.
Quick question: Exactly how much better is powell better than Pogba? How many games did he get with us? How good do you think Pogba would be in a div 1 team?
People keep comparing ox and walcott to him as if fergie has been willing to throw youngsters into his midfield like wenger has been willing to. If pogba was in arsenal he most likely would be anchoring their midfield now.
The biggest joke of this all is the people saying powell could come good are the same people who want us to sign a starting midfielder to join the 7 other ones in our FIRST TEAM! How is this going to work? The rotation situation is already ridiculous and you think adding an 18 yr old is what is best for the team AND the youngster? Get real... 8 million is money that could be easily wasted following our track record with young midfielders.
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exactly, and the fact he is english shouldnt mean we should spend the money on him.
it all a difference of opinion, and mine is he wont get the game time at united.
we did the same with Greening, top prospect for york, but was never going to be good enough at united.
comment by Redasarabiantomatoes (U12026)
posted 1 minute ago
Quick question: Exactly how much better is powell better than Pogba? How many games did he get with us? How good do you think Pogba would be in a div 1 team?
People keep comparing ox and walcott to him as if fergie has been willing to throw youngsters into his midfield like wenger has been willing to. If pogba was in arsenal he most likely would be anchoring their midfield now.
The biggest joke of this all is the people saying powell could come good are the same people who want us to sign a starting midfielder to join the 7 other ones in our FIRST TEAM! How is this going to work? The rotation situation is already ridiculous and you think adding an 18 yr old is what is best for the team AND the youngster? Get real... 8 million is money that could be easily wasted following our track record with young midfielders.
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Whether Powell is better than Pogba right now, I don't know. Pogba would probably have done very well at League 1/2 level last season.
But whether he is better than Pogba right now is irrelevant, as is your point about squad rotation. Well, that is if the reports that he will be loaned out are accurate. Which I suspect they are.
What we will essentially have is a promising youngster that is willing to go out on loan and gain some experience. If he shows the same commitment and develops like Cleverley did then he will get his chance at United. Just like Pogba would if he had a little patience.
We may not blood players as young as Arsenal do - but we do still win trophies. If that means our kids have to be a little more patient then fair enough.
Redasarabiantomatoes
I would like to add that if we do waste money on Powell and he never gets any playing time then the amount wasted will be 2/3m - not the 8m you have stated. So is a 2/3m gamble not worth it?
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posted on 11/6/12
I'm looking forward to all the Ox comparisons
posted on 11/6/12
Looks a great prospect, just hope he can make the jump up to the prem.
posted on 11/6/12
Arsene – not sure how much you have seen of Powell but he is nothing like Oxlade-Chamberlain. He is taller and of quite a big build for an 18 year old – doesn’t have as much pace and tends to play in behind a main striker rather than out on the wing a dribbler more in the david silva/juan mata way rather than a winger like robben or ribery.
I find it quite an odd signing as many have pointed out its not an area we need another youngster in – I don’t think we really need another striker at all but some will say “what if Rooney and/or welbeck gets injured” and I suppose in that case it may be sensible to have back-up but to have an 18 year old as that back-up when he himself isn’t and “out and out striker” at a cost of 8million doesn’t seem good business
posted on 11/6/12
im not sure about this, i mean we have just agrred to sign Kagawa for an initial 4 million pound more than this kid
8 million is a lot to spend on someone who hasnt even played in the championship!!!!!!!
i hope im proved wrong but to me it seems a lot.
posted on 11/6/12
The article says 6 million not 8! Still alot of money though!
posted on 11/6/12
I was píssed off when I heard we were missing out on him but then I heard the deal could rise to as high as £8M. No thanks!!!
posted on 11/6/12
It highlights the problem with buying English players unfortunately, they just cost too much money.
posted on 11/6/12
First off no one knows the price yet, but even if it could eventually reach 8m that could still prove a bargain if you know anything about the lad, his pedigree,mid past performances and his potential.
Secondly those talking about his position off the main striker are correct in terms of his preference but he's much more versatile than that.
Thirdly those talking about not needing a youngster in that position seem to forget we sold Morrison, so you could argue SAF has replaced that player albeit they have different assets. Kagawa still would have come if Morrison had remained at the club IMO, so think of it as the Morrison money plus a bit extra for the great attitude.
Lastly from what I've seen of the lad and what I'm told by friends who are season ticket holders in that division he does have a bit of Gerrard about him. I've seen similar things written re that as well. Obviously he has a long way to go but if he's anything like that no one will be moaning about even the max price being talked about which would oly be paid if he was a big success.
posted on 11/6/12
First off no one knows the price yet, but even if it could eventually reach 8m that could still prove a bargain if you know anything about the lad, his pedigree,mid past performances and his potential.
Secondly those talking about his position off the main striker are correct in terms of his preference but he's much more versatile than that.
Thirdly those talking about not needing a youngster in that position seem to forget we sold Morrison, so you could argue SAF has replaced that player albeit they have different assets. Kagawa still would have come if Morrison had remained at the club IMO, so think of it as the Morrison money plus a bit extra for the great attitude.
Lastly from what I've seen of the lad and what I'm told by friends who are season ticket holders in that division he does have a bit of Gerrard about him. I've seen similar things written re that as well. Obviously he has a long way to go but if he's anything like that no one will be moaning about even the max price being talked about which would oly be paid if he was a big success.
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you seem to know a lot of people who know a lot of things
the fact is, if the fee being knocked about is true, then thats up to 8 million pound spent on an unproven youngster, in the 3rd tier of english football who's favoured position is where Rooney, Kagawa and Young play or can play.
im not saying the kid doesnt have talent, but the 3 players mentioned above have plenty of years left in them, so how much playing time is powell going to get over the next 3 or 4 years???
for me thats 8 million pound that would be better spent elsewhere.
posted on 11/6/12
what will probably end up happening is we will sign him, he will spend a couple of years in the reserves, playing in carling cup games or be on the fringe.
in the meantime we will sign other players over this time to play in midfield, and as seems to be happening a lot with our youngsters, his contract will wind down and we'll lose him for peanuts
posted on 11/6/12
agree with everything big dunc has said – we’ve also been linked with Henriques who is playing his football in the Chilean first division who would apparently cost only 3mill. They may be different sorts of players but just goes to shows the kind of premium clubs have to pay for english youngsters. The kid is probably no more talented then Morrison or Pogba and we have let them go for next to nothing…
posted on 11/6/12
Morrison not being offered a contract had nothing to do with his talent, it was his attitude that was unacceptable and SAF rightly got rid.
Pogba was totally different and if he refuses to sign a contract the there's very little you can do unless you advocate giving youth/reserve players massive contracts and deal with all the associated problems that would cause across the whole squad, let alone when trying to buy new payers.
No one knows the exact price of Powell, but at least he's performed exceptionally in English football and is unlikely to have problems adapting to a move to Manchester. You can't say an 18 year old Chilean is as likely to integrate culturally etc as well as an English player. Plus in the case of the Chilean those terms were agreed some time ago when he was c15 so the price (if true) is not a fair comparison anyway.
Ultimately English players should be core to a successful English club long term, so the fact the English talent has a premium shouldn't be a shock.
posted on 11/6/12
No one knows the exact price of Powell, but at least he's performed exceptionally in English football and is unlikely to have problems adapting to a move to Manchester
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in the third tier of english football
lets put things into perspective here ffs.
its like saying we'll pay 10 million for jordan Rhodes who had a decent season for huddersfield!
im sure he wouldnt be banging in 30 goals a season in the PL.
theres a big step up from the championship to the PL, never mind league 1!
someone might wanna copy and paste this as i think pea blocked me as i didnt agree with one of his opionions once
personally i just think he likes the sound of his own voice and he likes to think he is always right!
plus am i the only one that thinks his stories are a tad far fetched??
i mean we are interested in Powell, and all of a sudden he has watched him a few times and has friends who are season ticket holders at crewe
posted on 11/6/12
Pea – I’m not saying there is much we could do in those situations but simply how gutting it is to lose 2 of the best youngsters we have had coming through and have to pay 8mill for someone who may not be any better.
He’s performed well yes – but in the fourth division of english football. It would be interesting to see how our reserve/academy players did in that league to get a better idea of the standard.
I agree english players should be the core – but the premiums aren’t justifiable. If the FA wanted a good english teams they would srap the 90 minute rule and also allow academies to coach players for more than 2/3 hours a day
posted on 11/6/12
First of all the figure quoted by both The Sun and The Telegraph is 6m - not the 8m everyone is moaning about.
Secondly, every report I have read has said that the deal will be 2/3m upfront, rising to 5/6m. If the deal is structured in that way then I see no problem with it. It isn't like the 2/3m we spend right now is going to prevent us from purchasing a top class CM or LB.
If we do end up paying the full 5/6m or even 8m that people are crying about, then that indicates that Powell has reached the level required at United. And he will therefore have been worth whatever we have indeed paid for him.
I suspect the same people that are moaning about this potential deal are the same ones who moan that we missed out on Bale, Ox, etc.
posted on 11/6/12
comment by duncanedwards_legend (U11713)
in the third tier of english football
lets put things into perspective here ffs.
its like saying we'll pay 10 million for jordan Rhodes who had a decent season for huddersfield!
im sure he wouldnt be banging in 30 goals a season in the PL.
theres a big step up from the championship to the PL, never mind league 1!
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First of all Crewe were playing in LEague 2 - which is the 4th tier of Enlgish football, not 4th.
Second, League 2 is a higher standard than reserve football. Were you against Pogba getting any playing time last season? For an 17 year old to be one of, if not the standout player of the season, is a good achievement.
posted on 11/6/12
I suspect the same people that are moaning about this potential deal are the same ones who moan that we missed out on Bale, Ox, etc.
theres a big difference though mate in playing for a team in league 2 ( thought it was actually one) and the PL.
the problem i have is every time we get a promising youngster, we end up letting shoving them in the reserves or let them have a little CC action, then end up losing them for nothing.
it happened with Pogbs, morrsion to an extent (i know he was sold cos of his his attituted, but his contract was nearly up) fryers whose contract is nearly up, and also pettrucci, who i rate better than all the others, and his contract is nearly up.
posted on 11/6/12
I would prefer this deal to be that we pay less and let him play another year (or two possibly) at crewe if he isn’t going to come straight into the first team – which I don’t think he will as he is not quite ready and we also have ¾ players vying for the position
posted on 11/6/12
comment by duncanedwards_legend (U11713)
posted 1 minute ago
I suspect the same people that are moaning about this potential deal are the same ones who moan that we missed out on Bale, Ox, etc.
theres a big difference though mate in playing for a team in league 2 ( thought it was actually one) and the PL.
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Yes there is a step up to the PL, but it is no bigger than coming from the reserves to the PL. I personally believe that the quality of League 2 is better than the reserves, plus Powell has been mixing it with full grown blokes every week. Ox was playing in League 1 in 2010/11 and he managed to step up into the PL. There is very little between League 1 and League 2 and Powell has stood out at that level. So if Ox can make the step up, why not Powell?
Players like Bale, Ox, Walcott etc. don't come around too often. If you get the chance to sign a good young British talent for a few million then you buy them. As if they make the grade they are likely to stick around for a good few years. At a club like United then will probably stay for their career.
posted on 11/6/12
I think people are being way too harsh on pea, what division a player starts in has no relation to his ability or potential. Crewe are a well known source of producing great young English talent thanks largely to Dario Grady and it seems Powell is the pick of the bunch right now. Not every young talent gets snapped up by the big clubs from a very young age, look at Hart at City.
Also pea is right in saying £8m might not be the actual figure as none of us really know and knowing people who are season ticket holders in League 2 isn't that strange, I know a load of people who are season ticket holders in the Championship, League 1 and 2.
posted on 11/6/12
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
Also pea is right in saying £8m might not be the actual figure as none of us really know and knowing people who are season ticket holders in League 2 isn't that strange, I know a load of people who are season ticket holders in the Championship, League 1 and 2.
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Totally agree. Found it strange that someone would question whether another poster has friends that are Crewe season ticket holders. Not exactly a huge stretch of the imagination is it?
posted on 11/6/12
Quick question: Exactly how much better is powell better than Pogba? How many games did he get with us? How good do you think Pogba would be in a div 1 team?
People keep comparing ox and walcott to him as if fergie has been willing to throw youngsters into his midfield like wenger has been willing to. If pogba was in arsenal he most likely would be anchoring their midfield now.
The biggest joke of this all is the people saying powell could come good are the same people who want us to sign a starting midfielder to join the 7 other ones in our FIRST TEAM! How is this going to work? The rotation situation is already ridiculous and you think adding an 18 yr old is what is best for the team AND the youngster? Get real... 8 million is money that could be easily wasted following our track record with young midfielders.
posted on 11/6/12
Quick question: Exactly how much better is powell better than Pogba? How many games did he get with us? How good do you think Pogba would be in a div 1 team?
People keep comparing ox and walcott to him as if fergie has been willing to throw youngsters into his midfield like wenger has been willing to. If pogba was in arsenal he most likely would be anchoring their midfield now.
The biggest joke of this all is the people saying powell could come good are the same people who want us to sign a starting midfielder to join the 7 other ones in our FIRST TEAM! How is this going to work? The rotation situation is already ridiculous and you think adding an 18 yr old is what is best for the team AND the youngster? Get real... 8 million is money that could be easily wasted following our track record with young midfielders.
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exactly, and the fact he is english shouldnt mean we should spend the money on him.
it all a difference of opinion, and mine is he wont get the game time at united.
we did the same with Greening, top prospect for york, but was never going to be good enough at united.
posted on 11/6/12
comment by Redasarabiantomatoes (U12026)
posted 1 minute ago
Quick question: Exactly how much better is powell better than Pogba? How many games did he get with us? How good do you think Pogba would be in a div 1 team?
People keep comparing ox and walcott to him as if fergie has been willing to throw youngsters into his midfield like wenger has been willing to. If pogba was in arsenal he most likely would be anchoring their midfield now.
The biggest joke of this all is the people saying powell could come good are the same people who want us to sign a starting midfielder to join the 7 other ones in our FIRST TEAM! How is this going to work? The rotation situation is already ridiculous and you think adding an 18 yr old is what is best for the team AND the youngster? Get real... 8 million is money that could be easily wasted following our track record with young midfielders.
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Whether Powell is better than Pogba right now, I don't know. Pogba would probably have done very well at League 1/2 level last season.
But whether he is better than Pogba right now is irrelevant, as is your point about squad rotation. Well, that is if the reports that he will be loaned out are accurate. Which I suspect they are.
What we will essentially have is a promising youngster that is willing to go out on loan and gain some experience. If he shows the same commitment and develops like Cleverley did then he will get his chance at United. Just like Pogba would if he had a little patience.
We may not blood players as young as Arsenal do - but we do still win trophies. If that means our kids have to be a little more patient then fair enough.
posted on 11/6/12
Redasarabiantomatoes
I would like to add that if we do waste money on Powell and he never gets any playing time then the amount wasted will be 2/3m - not the 8m you have stated. So is a 2/3m gamble not worth it?
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