Brunt, Morrison, Dorrans, Mulumbu, Ohlsson....off the top of my head. There is more.

Temporary glitch tidy.......we'll be back in 2-3 years......will you still be there ????

I just looked, I made It four starters and Olson.

We had 8............114 games later we had improved 3 positions pretty much, and that is if we count O'Hara and Johnson. Hard to count fletcher overall as he was on the bench for a large percentage of games as it was a Doyle or fletcher situation.

Olson on the bench that was

olsson, mulumbu, morrison all regular starters

brunt and dorrans less than 50% of yr games so far

and that's pretty much it

we were fielding 8 or 9 of our championship players regularly in our third season with a few more on the bench.

mulumbu, morrison and brunt were also players who had been with albion in the premier league before, as part of the yo-yo squad. so not quite the same as wolves not refreshing the squad.

Ahhhh, like a beaming light GB makes my explanation ten times better

Keep Mick = no league 1

Yep. A squad has to evolve.
In your case was it just Micks fault or the whole set up of Wolverhampton wanderers top to bottom?
Who authorised transfers and who was scouting?

Also, 2 to 3 years is pushing it from where you are with the players you've got.
Can't see you getting into the top flight for another decade. You just don't have the dosh and have no way of getting it now.
As for us? Who knows? We obviously can't keep improving otherwise we would be champions and no team that runs itself on a sane budget could possibly do that, eh?

IF we get promoted next season will be a genuine opportunity to gain promotion, it happens often and we have a good group assembling here already, a few obvious additions and we can have a good go for sure.

Then push for champions league spot

the money is, to a certain extent, a bit of a red herring. there's only the same pool of players moving around, they are just costing clubs a hell of a lot more these days. and whichever clubs drop out of the prem will have even more pressure to bounce straight back up or potentially go to the wall due to ridiculous wages and contracts.

Cinci. You get NO money from promotion TO the championship. You get £50m for relegation TO the championship. You cannot compete anymore.
If and when you get promoted you will be playing teams that are, in effect, premiership teams with premiership players on premiership wages (ala QPR right now).
Doing a Southampton won't happen anymore.

Alas, our best shot of champions league footy has just played juve and Madrid in recent weeks

Not entirely micks fault at all tidy, but I would say he was a victim of his own loyalty toward certain players as well.

We shall see tidy, I don't think the champo has any particular scariness to it, a lot of huff and puff with little substance.

QPR spent a lot more than £50 Mil in achieving their aim of getting relegated............money means nothing if it's not spent right ! our biggest problem was that we sacked the last manager and only he has the 'secret' on getting out of the chumpo !!

unfortunatly for us, he wasn't willing to say before we sacked him

comment by tidyvwbaggie (U4832)
posted 9 hours, 57 minutes ago
Can't see you getting into the top flight for another decade. You just don't have the dosh and have no way of getting it now.




This entirely possible. Lets not forget the last time we were promoted from this level to the next we spent fourteen years there.
Fourteen seasons in League Two, League One and the Championship. We stayed there so long they renamed the thing twice just so we had the impression of progress.
For most of those fourteen seasons we were a big fish in a relatively small pond. We had big attendances, a high profile and the promise of promotion that attracted players and Sir Jack’s millions.
This time round we’ll be competing with clubs that have tens of millions of parachute money to spend plus those that have a sugar daddy and are desperate for top flight football.

Our best chance of a quick return to the top flight, as i said when we were relegated, was last season but instead of challenging for promotion we got utter mismanagement and failure on a massive scale.

Just chatting to a Cardiff sth, he says other problems there - players given no end of season bonus as promised and fans not accepting change to red and white. Official change strip is blue and white but its been held back from sale because fans not buying red and white.

Don't agree Tatter, promotion from the Champo is still down to a good manager and good, not necessarily expensive, players.
Last season certainly showed that, none of the three relegated, parachute paymented clubs got near promotion. The three that did were Palace with no money, Hull with very little and Cardiff with a fair bit.
All three had more to do with having a good manager than billionaires money.

Wolfgang i never said it was impossible!
I've taken a look at the most recently promoted teams and yes it is possible to get promoted without parachute money or a sugar daddy but it is a lot less likely.
And when you do go up it's more likely to be via tha playoffs and you're more likely to come straight back down.

2013 Cardiff 1962 51
2013 Hull 2010 3
2013 Palace 2005 8
2012 Reading 2008 4
2012 Soton 2005 7
2012 West Ham 2011 1
2011 QPR 1996 15
2011 Norwich 2005 6
2011 Swansea 1983 28
2010 Newcastle 2009 1
2010 WBA 2009 1
2010 Blackpool 1971 39
2009 Wolves 2004 5
2009 Brum 2008 1
2009 Burnley 1976 33




6/15 (40%) four years or less out of top flight Hull, Reading, West Ham, Newcastle, WBA, Brum.
4/15 (27%) significant outside investment Cardiff, Reading, Southampton, QPR,

5/15 (33%) Neither Palace, Norwich, Swansea, Blackpool, Burnley
Palace are in their first season so of the five four have had the opportunity to be relegated, two were in their first season.

So by my reckoning two teams out of the last fifteen to be promoted have survived their first campaign if they haven't either been there before recntly or had significant outside investment.

I don't think there is any guaranteed formula for getting out of the champo, show up with a good set of players playing with confidence and you are in with a shout.

As we have been over before, a raft of teams have made light work of the champo in a matter of seasons after coming from div 1.

I would say next season is the best immediate opportunity based on assuming we keep Doyle, Batth, Doherty, Griffiths and others who have impressed.

Next season IS our best chance having blown last season and not (obviously) being able to do it this season.

That’s my point. The longer you’re out the game the harder it is to get back into it. Last year was our best chance, now next year is our best chance. If we fail then the year after will be our best chance and each year we’re away the chance of us succeeding diminishes.

It’s fine pointing at Southampton because they had back to back promotions but they were one of 24 teams going for promotion from L1 to the Champ and 21 of those teams failed that year, they were then one of 24 teams going for promotion from the Championship and 21 of those failed.
There are three success stories every year in the Championship and three each year in L1. The chances of a team being one of those 3/24 success stories two years running is far lower than the chances of bouncing straight back after relegation from the Prem.

A bit Wolfist.

Time will tell thats for sure.

Is KJ the man to lead us out of that division assuming we get out of this one.
He certainly knows that league well, but has never really had the club with genuine means to escape it.
If only Morgan had brought in Poyet among other obvious candidates when he had the chance.

He’s had three seasons at Championship level hasn’t he? And got successively worse with each one?

The stat that sticks in my mind was that over the 20 games Saunders was in charge Jackett was the only person to pick up fewer points than Saunders!

Only 3, i thought it was more.......OHHH.

Didn't millwall collapse two seasons running?
Maybe wrong but thought they did.

Old ground now, but for me, forgeting the whethers and whether nots of Micks sacking, when we had/have the opportunity to bring in a strong manager and there was a real chance, we should have taken it.
We approached Brighton but walked away because of the 1 million buy out clause allegedly, small change for a guy who looks to have a good future at the top.
Jesus, even if we snapped up Bruce, at least you knew he would have given us a genuine chance.

Fúcking TC, Morgan must spend his nights sweating on the absolute shambles of those few weeks and the money he has lost because of it.