Basically the same as me

As i have shown since, i genuinely hate to sack managers.

We might even have been playing in the Prem this season, had we not ignored Hodgson's warning, and sacked Mick, (either from staying up, or being relegated and bouncing back).

Still, it's done now, so any speculation is purely academic.

So your views were the same as mine Cyp. In December there was an argument for sacking McCarthy if, and only if, we had a good replacement lined up. Once that time had passed sacking him that season was suicide.

But as much as you want to change the debate to that cinci what we were talking about was freefall and there was no freefall in McCarthy's time just a lack of progress in the last year. There was freefall in Connor's time and freefall in Solbakken's time for sure. And Saunders just finished the job off that Solbakken started.

So what have the Albion done that Wolves should have done and when did they do it?

Being as how you are where we were when we started our 'revolution' in 93/94 how are wolves going to ensure that over the next 10 years they can progress enough to be able to compete in the top flight.
Or is Morgan just not savvy enough?

Shakes head in bewilderment.

Call it what you want, i shall call it freefall, 15 points in 23 games and pathetic displays as well as a host of off field issues simmering.
We continued the freefall under the next three guys as well, one of which was heavily involved in the initial situation, TC.

As i said at the time, did not see any point in sacking him once January was done, to little to late.

time will tell tidy, no reason to think we can't manage it.

Wigan had 10 points from the same period Cinci.

Can't remember what happened to them.

I think going from 3rd to 18th is pretty much freefall in my book. Connor was simply MM mk2.

I make it 17 from the same period ulf.

Apologies, the website I was looking on is a little confusing, it was 17. However, they got 14 from their last 22 so not wildly different, arguably a little worse than us given the points to games ratio we were both on.

WITSS - that would be absolutely true if we were Man Utd. Does anyone just accept League one as our level though as a club?

This is what I don't get, we were no more a Premiership club then than we are a League One club now. For spend and wages, we were a lower table Prem team...and lower table prem teams get relegated. Freefall for me is going way below the position you should probably be at (now for example). our tumble from 3rd to 18th was just the table correcting itself.

Can you honestly say you thought we would or expected us to finish third at that point?

I'm not saying we were doing well, we obviously weren't, we all wanted, hoped and expected to push on a bit that season.

But I'd have been happy with safety with a couple of games to spare so being in and around that area just didn't feel like a disaster, even if we did end up going down.

This is where your comments just become disengenuous cinci. Not you or anyone else expected wolves to stay third in the premier league. We got there very early in the season when the league table means nothing. It's on comments like this that it becomes clear that your motivation is not to exchange views but just to have an argument and as you just said to Cyp, define sides. Wolves were at a better position in the league than they were at the same stage in the previous season. And I repeat by no stretch of the imagination had we gone into free fall.

Think we would have all taken that ulf.
It was the performance drop off that was alarming, micks reliable players were no longer his reliable players for whatever reason.

The drop from 3rd to 18th was not the real problem, the toothlessness of our side of battlers to no longer battle was DJ.

Tidy, what Albion have done much better than wolves is in management selection. They lost some good people and they knew who they would like to get in next.

Wolves of course famously sacked McCarthy and then thought 'what shall we do now'. The appointment of Connor was astonishing. The appointment of Solbakken was a gamble that failed spectacularly and Saunders just didn't know how to arrest the slide.

It will be interesting to see how Albion do without Ashcroft in the future and to see if Wolves have learned anything from their mistakes. Jackett is certainly a much better appointment than the last three managers we have had

But all those arguments are about lack of progress in the premier league cinci they are nothing to do with our free fall to league one

WITSS: "Connor was simply MM mk2."
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And you wonder why nobody takes you seriously!

Says bute . stick to the anecdotes.

Correct DJ, none of which would have ever happened if we had not allowed the squad to stagnate.

The squad that you said were stagnating was holding us back in the premier league but for any half decent manager would have formed the basis of a more than decent championship team that would have gone nowhere near relegation. And with £13m of investment would have been odds on for promotion

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WITSS: "Connor was simply MM mk2."
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And you wonder why nobody takes you seriously!
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Says bute . stick to the anecdotes.
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Cinci - Connor was a rookie in his first and only managerial position to date.

Mick was a manager who'd won the Championship outright twice, managed Wolves in the Prem for 2 and a half years, and had taken an International side to the World Cup.

Connor could hardly therefore be described as MM mk 2 by anyone with the slightest semblance of a brain!

I’d stick to the anecdotes if I were you Bute as the sort of naivety shown above just makes you look silly.

It’s obvious to anyone that if you ignore the things that are different about then McCarthy & Connor are, in fact, identical.

It’s the same with Shania Twain and Neil Warnock.

Apart from the things that are different about them and they are basically the same person.

Where's Connor now Bute?

Have a on me.

Where's Connor now Bute?

Wouldn't Arnie like to know!

Yeah Bute like Sunny says, in same place = same person.

Like Karl Marx and Jeremy Beadle. Same person really.

Karl Marx and his brothers. Very funny people.

Jeremy Beadle, about as funny as woodworm in a cripple's crutch.

Can I say cripple? Aw shi ttt, too late.

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